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Re: Arie de Geus : What is the nature of an organization?

Well Gautam, first of all, you left me wondering that if tommorow organizations
are like a movie unit, what role I will be playing in that.

On a serious note, I think what you have outlined in your message is quite
possible. But in this concept, the whole idea of the Living company is lost. I
may be entirely wrong in my observation about what Living companies are all
about, but I think- to have this kind of situation, some of the things are
absolutely critical-

1. To get involved in a series of activities to achieve a desired objective and
then disbands the teams, presupposes that there is enough mobility of labour and
skill sets.And whatever little experience I have had in past 16 months of my
working, I think it takes a hell of a time to build a cutting edge capability
level, no matter what educational background you are from. And Gautam, if you
look at the current education set-up, most of us are trained in a very general
and loose framwork, and it takes time to acquire a skill set, which may be
directly applied to a given situation like what you mentioned- a movie unit.
2. Companies dont exist just to create products or services, that is perhaps the
beginning. There are host of activities which happen, after you have created a
product, to take care of that, you need to have some stable component in your
organization.
3. I think it take quite a lot of time to have 'build to last' organizations.
even if you look at organisations as a 'Knowledge entity', the knowledge
component consists of not only the technical details and commercial parameters,
but also a significant portion is taken up by the culture, shared values and
systems.

In my view, though there is an impetus to have assignment focussed teams and
systems, it still does not replace the old age concept of 'long life' entities.

My 2 cents to the discussion,

Best Regards,
Amita

hi Rajeev

organizations should eventually become that ultimate
knowledge organization - A movie unit !


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hi folks Those of you who've been on ISTT for a longish time would remember me quoting AdG's 'The Living Company' at the drop of a hat (the synopsis of the...
Gautam Ghosh
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Feb 9, 2004
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Great to see this take on AdG. Indeed, AdG was quoted a lot on ISTT. Incidentally, three of us, ISTTers, went to the Strand book sale at Churchgate recently - ...
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Dear Gautam, et al, That was a fabulous post!! I agree with you completely on the essence of your post - that the life of companies' are getting shorter, and...
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Feb 11, 2004
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Well Gautam, first of all, you left me wondering that if tommorow organizations are like a movie unit, what role I will be playing in that. On a serious note,...
Amita Khurana
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Feb 10, 2004
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Hi Amita and Gautam, By and large, I agree with Amita - "Movie Units" are increasingly gaining importance within organizations. In a limited sense, yes, ...
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Gautam, Amita and Co. There is distinct possibility that what Gautam says may come true. Rightly knowledge organisations are prime targets for this structure. ...
Rahul Deodhar
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Feb 11, 2004
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hi folks After having stuck my neck out and put my foot in my mouth (pretty difficult thing to do simultaneously, but somehow I always manage to get into these...
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There is this interesting possibility where you can have the cake and eat it too. A Movie unit within a living organization. If we de- merge individuals with...
A. Suryanarayanan
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Hi, I am new to this group and this is my first post, so please bear with me. One observations here with regards to the Movie example is that the movies are...
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Hi This 'movie unit' concept sounds pretty much like what Tom Peters had outlined as happening in GE for product development...he called it 'intrapreneurship'...
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Hi Suresh, Interesting point you make in your post about creating new ideas, executing them, sustaining the quality and administering the whole set-up. You say...
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Hi Supratim, Your points are valid and well-taken. I would agree, in toto, provided the following problems are adequately solved. 1. The creative end has...
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Hi Suresh, You make some good points, but I would urge you to look at possible solutions, not necessarily within the context of business as we view it today....
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<<< MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: Be assured, Suresh, ISTT is not getting disinterested in this debate, instead we are reading what you and Supratim have to say,...
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Feb 12, 2004
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Hi Supratim and Suresh I just have to butt in here ;-) Creativity & innovation in organizations is the red flag that I need to keep me from salivating (also...
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Feb 12, 2004
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Hi Gautam, Cant keep quiet, can I? The reason why I dont accept the start-up creative company as the solution to the problem is precisely because there is no...
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Feb 12, 2004
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My few thoughts on this - It was interesting to note different views and perspective of Innovative or creative organization. In my opinion it is easy to bring...
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Feb 13, 2004
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Dear Gautam, The classification of innovative organisations is interesting. I hope you are not trying to suggest that innovation of kind described in...
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Dear Gautam, Suresh, Rajeev, This discussion keeps taking on new dimensions! But, first, I must say that the link to Edgar Schein was great. Maybe it struck a...
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Dear Supratim, Allow me to defend Tata Steel. Yes, indeed a large part of their success can be attributed to "incrementalism" as we may choose to call it here....
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Sorry to butt in with a real shorty, but thought that this quote would do well to defend incrementalism, though I am not against disruptive changes. Here goes:...
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<<<MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: Please snip previous messages while posting replies, Jyoti. Nevertheless, your post is provoking! >>> Hello , You are right .But...
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<<< MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: 'Kambal Maar' will do, do join us at ISTT Bombay soon! ;) >>> Hey Rajj, Nice post! I HAD to come back to the debate!!! First, let me ...
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At the risk of inviting "kambal treatment" myself I just have to share this article that covers the points that we were discussing in this thread. The writer...
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Venu, ... Great post! You're dead right with passion or "fire in the belly"! Let me add: Think of this multi-trillion dollar invention, the Internet. It's...
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Dear all, Thank God, this has ceased to be a ding-dong between Supratim and me. Beyond a point any two people would only have ended up belaboring the same ...
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Feb 16, 2004
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Dear Gautam, I would like to add another dimension on Mr. Edgar Schein's take on organization culture. I think that the issue can be much easily resolved if...
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Rahul, ... relationships) ... What would be change management types, tools, processes, metrics and climates that accelerate this forming you think? Appears to...
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