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the evolving nature of the organization

hi folks

After having stuck my neck out and put my foot in my mouth (pretty
difficult thing to do simultaneously, but somehow I always manage to
get into these situations ;-)) I actually heaved a sigh of relief
when Amita posted her views...!

Maybe the future isn't so close really !

Sure, organizations aren't going to go away in a hurry (no matter
what the folks at WSF fervently hope for !) and neither are they
going to get smaller (on the contrary some of them are going to get
bigger!)

So I'll tap the thoughts of two 'original' gurus (and escape from the
burden of 'guruism' that Rajeev had thrust on me !)

One is Charles Handy who has written on "the elephant and the flea"
which refers to large organizations and free agents who are co-opted
by them to drive bursts of creativity...In fact BusinessWorld had
profiled Handy's thoughts...but as they pointed out not everyone is a
flea...some of us have to be content to be parts of the elephant
(man! some metaphor this !)

In fact, our very own Dr. Madhukar Shukla had written in Business
Today 1999 on "careers moving out of organizational boundaries and
becoming vocations"...that applies to the free agents, the fleas!

Another person I'd like to quote is a 'guru' who has done something
most gurus, haven't: run a company on radically different rules and
create the true 'virtual enterprise'...have you all heard of Dee Hock?

No? Ok read about him and his mission now, here
http://www.fastcompany.com/online/05/deehock.html

But, boy, Amrita...am I glad that you pushed the future far away !

ciao,
Gautam
http://gauteg.blogspot.com - News and Musings on Management

--- In IndiaStrategy-ThinkTank@..., Rahul Deodhar
<rahuldeodhar@y...> wrote:
> Gautam, Amita and Co.
> So, I believe, the building blocks of organisations are teams(set
of relationships) rather than individuals. Hence new age
organisations will be based on sets of values and attitudes rather
than pure knowledge.
>





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hi folks Those of you who've been on ISTT for a longish time would remember me quoting AdG's 'The Living Company' at the drop of a hat (the synopsis of the...
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Feb 9, 2004
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Great to see this take on AdG. Indeed, AdG was quoted a lot on ISTT. Incidentally, three of us, ISTTers, went to the Strand book sale at Churchgate recently - ...
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<<< MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: Another fascinating mail from the 'Guru' in the making! We all enjoy reading your thoughts, Mr. Ghosh! >>> hi Rajeev In fact, taking...
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Dear Gautam, et al, That was a fabulous post!! I agree with you completely on the essence of your post - that the life of companies' are getting shorter, and...
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Feb 11, 2004
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Well Gautam, first of all, you left me wondering that if tommorow organizations are like a movie unit, what role I will be playing in that. On a serious note,...
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Hi Amita and Gautam, By and large, I agree with Amita - "Movie Units" are increasingly gaining importance within organizations. In a limited sense, yes, ...
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Feb 11, 2004
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Gautam, Amita and Co. There is distinct possibility that what Gautam says may come true. Rightly knowledge organisations are prime targets for this structure. ...
Rahul Deodhar
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Feb 11, 2004
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hi folks After having stuck my neck out and put my foot in my mouth (pretty difficult thing to do simultaneously, but somehow I always manage to get into these...
Gautam Ghosh
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There is this interesting possibility where you can have the cake and eat it too. A Movie unit within a living organization. If we de- merge individuals with...
A. Suryanarayanan
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Hi, I am new to this group and this is my first post, so please bear with me. One observations here with regards to the Movie example is that the movies are...
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Hi This 'movie unit' concept sounds pretty much like what Tom Peters had outlined as happening in GE for product development...he called it 'intrapreneurship'...
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Hi Suresh, Interesting point you make in your post about creating new ideas, executing them, sustaining the quality and administering the whole set-up. You say...
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Hi Supratim, Your points are valid and well-taken. I would agree, in toto, provided the following problems are adequately solved. 1. The creative end has...
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Hi Suresh, You make some good points, but I would urge you to look at possible solutions, not necessarily within the context of business as we view it today....
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<<< MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: Be assured, Suresh, ISTT is not getting disinterested in this debate, instead we are reading what you and Supratim have to say,...
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Hi Supratim and Suresh I just have to butt in here ;-) Creativity & innovation in organizations is the red flag that I need to keep me from salivating (also...
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Hi Gautam, Cant keep quiet, can I? The reason why I dont accept the start-up creative company as the solution to the problem is precisely because there is no...
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Feb 12, 2004
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My few thoughts on this - It was interesting to note different views and perspective of Innovative or creative organization. In my opinion it is easy to bring...
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Feb 13, 2004
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Dear Gautam, The classification of innovative organisations is interesting. I hope you are not trying to suggest that innovation of kind described in...
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Dear Gautam, Suresh, Rajeev, This discussion keeps taking on new dimensions! But, first, I must say that the link to Edgar Schein was great. Maybe it struck a...
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Dear Supratim, Allow me to defend Tata Steel. Yes, indeed a large part of their success can be attributed to "incrementalism" as we may choose to call it here....
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Sorry to butt in with a real shorty, but thought that this quote would do well to defend incrementalism, though I am not against disruptive changes. Here goes:...
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<<<MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: Please snip previous messages while posting replies, Jyoti. Nevertheless, your post is provoking! >>> Hello , You are right .But...
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<<< MODERATOR'S MESSAGE: 'Kambal Maar' will do, do join us at ISTT Bombay soon! ;) >>> Hey Rajj, Nice post! I HAD to come back to the debate!!! First, let me ...
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At the risk of inviting "kambal treatment" myself I just have to share this article that covers the points that we were discussing in this thread. The writer...
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Venu, ... Great post! You're dead right with passion or "fire in the belly"! Let me add: Think of this multi-trillion dollar invention, the Internet. It's...
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Dear all, Thank God, this has ceased to be a ding-dong between Supratim and me. Beyond a point any two people would only have ended up belaboring the same ...
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Dear Gautam, I would like to add another dimension on Mr. Edgar Schein's take on organization culture. I think that the issue can be much easily resolved if...
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Feb 28, 2004
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Rahul, ... relationships) ... What would be change management types, tools, processes, metrics and climates that accelerate this forming you think? Appears to...
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