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Re: [MORM] Re: A Landmark Judgment for Thrissur Diocese

Dear Abeesh
 
Yes dear. If u want to receive any religion and faith according to u r wish. No body will against you. But u all tell that all these 469 churches formed another association in 2002 and they belive theit own faith. How u all can say that ?  In india we have 26 states. one state tells that we r not being part of the 26 state and we formed a new state according to our wish and our desire. pls tell anybody will accept that view point.

In kerala K Karunakaran  fomed a new party named as indira congress and they claim that they were the original congress. IS they got all the properties and office of the old party. They were telling they are the original.. The same stant here for patriarch faction . They were telling   that they were the original and their faith is good. If it is in the case of faith u all can go out from the present church and form new churches the same way done by Marthoma church. Sit in the present church and tell that we believe another thing. It is not good for gentle people. If it is allowed u all belief another thing and go another way. So at last each parish have each belief and seperate from the church. In mear future that will happen to the 2002 society church. Because they made a constitution according to that style.

 

About faith

 

Here is no difference between orthodox and  patriarch. We all following the same heriditary. The orthodox faction have no other heriditary than patriarch faction. the same also for patriarch.  thats why in 1958 patriarch unconditionly accepted catholicose and came to india in 1964 and ordinate the new catholicose. All extrimist in this church says that there is seperate faith but actually there is not.

 

So i request all to pray for the unity of our church

 

with lot of prayer

 

Thomas

Dubai

01/07/2007

 

 



----- Original Message ----
From: abeeshjose <abeeshjose@...>
To: MORM@...
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:54:04 PM
Subject: [MORM] Re: A Landmark Judgment for Thrissur Diocese



ur message says that if parishoners want to go the church they built
they haae to be under some persons whom they dont believe. very good
thing this is very good. be with us
or else ur church will be closed.

by this u cant win hearts of lakhs of people who still hold the true
apostolic faith
this church survived had portugese persecution .

persecution ur people will not come to that much

abeeshjose

ronnie daniel wrote

To our dear readers of this forum from the Patriarch faction
> including Very REv. Moolel Cor Episcopa,
>
> There are now three judgements in a row one after the other following
> the last Supreme Court judgement :
>
> First one was Chuvannamannu
> Second was the appeal on the Kathiparathadom judgement
> and now the one of Kurinji church.
>
> And a sensible advocate on your side, Adv. Philip told you people in
> the SOCM forum that you are on the path of suicide :
> Read here if no one has seen it yet.
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/SOCM- FORUM/message/ 10604
>
> What more you want my brothers. Can't you stop this rebellion and
> follow the path of our forefathers and move as one church.
>
> How long you people who can read and write the court judgement in
> English language keep on misguiding the unfortuante folks on your
> side who are less fortunate and cannot read and write ??
>
> Supreme court order was very clear. Still your Catholicose claimed
> victory.
> Now three more judgements came same way and he still keeps on
> claiming victory.
> Victory in chuvannamannu was that the court allowed one month for
> implementation of the order.
>
> Well, there is no harm in keeping a positive attitude and hoping for
> the best...Afterall Christianity is about " Hope "
> But, one , two, three , four and how long will it take to make you
> understand the facts on the ground...
> Seven or Seventy judgements ???
>
> Earlier I told Moolel Achen in this forum that there will be a repeat
> of 1958 in 2008. He said I am a soothsayer.
>
> Dear brothers, I hope and pray that God won't take you back to the
> 1958 situation where you need to surrender under humiliation.
> Because, I am sure that another similar unification under a court
> dictated surrender will not help both sides. That kind of peace will
> never last. In order for a unification to last both sides should
> negotiate when both sides got equal strength.
>
> You had that opportunity as soon as the Supreme court verdict came.
> You have that opportunity even now. Only thing you need to do is to
> obey the 1934 constitution whcih you and your forefathers obeyed till
> 1970.
> The more the win on our side the less the negotiating capacity for
> your side.
> I hope and pray that you yourself will not dig your grave any further.
>
> Now, think about the situation of your people in these three churches
> where there was a decision in favor of one side.
> Do you think your members of those churches who lost everything will
> still believe in your interpretations about the judgements. They are
> facing the actual situaiton of not having the possiblity to enter
> their church unless they surrender to the 1934 constitution. .
> Do you think those poor folks in those churches love the people who
> guided them to this suicide !!!
> I doubt.
> People will change when reality kicks in..
> And more realities will hit one by one..
> Where are those powerful minister of the left front who were ready to
> help you ??
> All of them will go back to their cave when it starts touching them.
> I hope you recognize this and guide your leadaers to common sense..
>
> Rgds
> Ronnie
>




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Dear All, There has been a landmark judgment with regard to St.George Church Chuvannamannu in Thrissur Diocese. This Church participated in the peace process...
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Jun 27, 2007
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To our dear readers of this forum from the Patriarch faction including Very REv. Moolel Cor Episcopa, There are now three judgements in a row one after the...
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ur message says that if parishoners want to go the church they built they haae to be under some persons whom they dont believe. very good thing this is very...
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Jul 1, 2007
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... Well, Abeesh do you know exactly the church operated during Apostilic times. May be you have read in the Bible that every one sold their property and kept...
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Jul 1, 2007
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ronnie, if there was no help from the patriarch of antioch the jacobite syrians would have become extinct . mor ahatullah and st. baselious eldho was sent to...
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Jul 2, 2007
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... syrians ... I agree with you Abeesh. But, that doesn't mean that we should always remain slaves to them. You may not be on this earth without the help of...
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Jul 3, 2007
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Dear Abeesh Yes dear. If u want to receive any religion and faith according to u r wish. No body will against you. But u all tell that all these 469 churches...
Thomas Issac
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Jul 1, 2007
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here u compared the parishes with states of a country here the parishes have not gone to any other faith. these parishes formed another association only which...
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Jul 2, 2007
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Dear Abeesh Yes abeesh, How a state is important to the country, on the same way each and every parish important to the church. With out a state a country will...
Thomas Issac
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Jul 3, 2007
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Dear no ur wrong nothing has been decided by the courts in this aspect as they were not parties to the suit the courts have said that majority of churches have...
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Jul 5, 2007
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... i'm posting a message from socm forum by robin mani 1. Malankara Church is a Division/Wing/Part of the Universal Syriac Orthodox Church. The Catholicos...
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Dear Abeesh I read your mail and i think lot of foolish things u r written 1 we all would have been under roman catholics. Pls understant that here is only...
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