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#153 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Tue Aug 1, 2006 3:52 pm
Subject:: It is critical time.
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Our Church is facing the lack of potential leadership in
administration.

We got the judgment from the Supreme Court and we failed to make the
authority to execute the court order and it is our incapability.
The court accepted Late H.H. Mathews II as the catholicos and the
malankara Metropolitan of the MOSC.  But we took a long time to call
a Malankara Association meeting to precede the court judgment in to
action.  That is because of the incapability of the leadership of
our Church.

So far no fractions are separated, but the Patriarchies fraction
ordinate a catholicos under the Patriarchies and we did not approach
the court to stay that ordination.  They ordinate several bishops
without the permission of the Catholicos of the MOSC.  If we
approach the court for a stay against such practices, they might
have pleaded that they are separate church. And it may be a turning
point for the Court cases.

Now one of the courts stayed the actions of the catholicos of the
MOSC as the head of the church and the court set July 19th for the
hearing of that case but we failed to appear in the court on the
date.  Our H.H. Catholicos was in a tour in America in that time.
Was it important to attend the court or does it have importance to
continue the visit in America?  I am curious to know whether our
office bearers are able to lead our Church.  If we are able to
conduct the association meeting in time as per the Kalpana of our
H.H. Catholicos it is good otherwise it will be a great blow to our
leadership and I will be left with no other alternative except to
pray for my church to get a capable leadership.

I hope Mar Makarios Thirumeny can help our church in this juncture
as Thirumeny is capable to find the solutions whenever there were a
critical situations arises like this.

When a group of opportunists forced the people like Mr. K.M. Mathew
to leave from the advisory council our church should have to think
twice the consequences of that. The people in Kerala are giving a
good definition about the present leadership of our church and it
will be highly appreciable if our spiritual leaders listen that
definition and act appropriately.  I am shameful to quote that
definition here.

It is the time for our Church members for a re-think about the
Office Bearers of our Church.

With regards,
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.

#152 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:14 am
Subject:: Do not waste the Church money.
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Association meeting.

The posting about cost effective meeting is an appreciable idea. We
need to save the money of the Church instead of spending in lavish.
The budget for the last Association meeting was Rs.2,500,000
(Rupees Twenty-five Lakh).  I have no idea about the budget for the
coming meeting in September.  It wills not going to be less than
that as none of our leaders likes to go for low budget.

The term of the present Managing committee is going to expire in a
short period. So it is strongly advisable to plan for one
Association meeting with the agenda for the election of the
Catholicate designate and for the election of the Office bearers and
the Managing committee.

It is the time for us to think about the new Office bearers and for
the managing committee.  As an established church of a large
community that is spread almost in every place in the world we need
to find suitable candidates to lead our Church.  We need people who
are able to execute the decisions and to act instantly with
appropriate decisions.  I am so sorry to mention that I do not feel
that the present Office bearers did act that.

We spent a lot of money for defending our rights in the court and we
were incapable to get the best result out of the court judgments and
rulings because our leaders were not capable to make the things to
move in proper time and that is the reason our church cannot get the
result of the judgment.  They are good in spending the church money
and using their position to make their personal agendas.

I am not forgetting the service of our present Church Treasurer as
he did a very good job in his past term and we need to appreciate
it. He can stay as an advisor or ex-officio with the Church Managing
committee.

We need a new Church Treasurer with a specified term as other office
bearers and a capable person as the Church Secretary who can execute
matters effectively in proper time instead of talking.

I know this opinion will make to bang the cannons from different
points, but it needs to open in public and it may help our Church to
select the capable personalities to the respective posts.

We should not let to waste our church money.

Charly V. Padanilam, Houston,

#151 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:34 am
Subject:: Re: solving Malankara church feud
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Mr. Pathhikan,

You are right in one sense.  The people can be a fool in differebt
ways.  Some born as fools, some made themselves become fools and
some become fools in the name of God.

The people who made themselves as fools for the victory of others
are thinking the same as that I have mentioned.

I do not believe that the claim of the ownership of the worship
place is a feather on the hat, but the participation to build a
place of worship is a crown for him. The chances that are given to
people to be a part for the effort to build a Church is a blessing
from God.  But if anyone claim that he/she made it for God then that
is a challenge.  think about it in a peaceful atmosphire and may God
bless you with wisdom to understand the meanin g of that.

With regards,
Charly V. Padanilam.

#150 From: "pathhikan" <pathhikan@...>
Date:: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:44 pm
Subject:: Re: solving Malankara church feud
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Dear Fellow Charly,

One must be in the "Fool's Paradise" to agree with you about the
ownership of the earthly worshipping places.  You can build a house
of worship and declare that you are submitting the same to God; but
if I come and claim a piece of it, I will see your real color.
Charly, 'the cow you see in the book won't eat grass'!!  Anyone can
link sweet words and create beautiful sentences but practicability
is the problem. When the devil rules your heart you can not
eradicate devils. First cleansing of our hearts is to be the first
step. Let our heart be the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, the house of
the Triune God and  practice what we preach. Then everything is
possible. There is definitely an earthly owner for the earthly
property. There is a deed & an owner for any such items and we
cannot deny or replace that with any of our philosophy. The owner
will always have a say about his property. Your house is your house
and mine is mine. I may be able to worship or pray as a layman at
any worshipping place but I don't think Saayi Baba will be able to
do that. You know what I mean. Let us make some sense.

Sincerely,

Pathhikan
New Jersey

#149 From: joice thottakad <joicethottackad@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:35 pm
Subject:: Almayavedi Special Supplement
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Almayavedi Special Supplement
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Joice Thottackad
Kottayam, Kerala

#148 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:21 pm
Subject:: Re: solving Malankara church feud
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The Parish Church does not belong to anyone.  When we build a Church
building to worship God.  We are submitting to God and no one is the
owner of that property other than God.  When king Solomon completed
the temple of God, Solomon submitted to God and he never claimed the
ownership afterwards.

Why do we need the buildings and property in the name of any group?
When the people come to the Church they need to worship God and if
anyone preventing them is devilish.  So we need to cast out the
devil from our Church.  Devil can come with any face.  May be he can
come in the costume of a leader of the Church.  If anyone is making
barricade for the faithful worshippers that is none other than devil
and his soldiers.

We the faithful believers have to take a firm stand to neglect the
devilish leaders and we need a revolution to cast out the devils
from our Church.  Pray to get the strength to that and that is the
only remedy to solve this problem.  As far the faithful believers
throw money to the Church, the devils will work to snatch it and
they varies with many faces and with many costumes.

Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.

#147 From: "manarkadan" <manarkadan@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:53 pm
Subject:: How long do we suffer from this?
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We need more Bishops:-
For the show off in the ceremony of Baptism
For the show off in the wedding ceremony
For the show off in the funeral ceremony

To collect money from the Church members
To acquire private properties with the money of the Church members
To collect donations in the name of charity
To collect donations for admission & employment in Church
institutions

For spending the Church money for National & International tours
For helping own family members and butter polishers and -----  -----
with church money
For depositing church money with Blade mafias
For preventing faithful worshippers from entering the Church

To split the parish members
To make groupies in Church
To pose for photos for medias
To sell blessings in retail and whole sale

To advise people for simple life
To advise people to be humble
To lead a luxury life
To be pride and harsh.

For ordinations of qualified people as deacons, priests and high
priests
For ordinations of the unqualified as same depending the donations
For adjusting assignments to the priests depending the benefit from
them
For torturing the priests if they are not benefiting

To teach simplicity and kindness
To teach the people to treat the poor and needy
To smile and deal with the rich and high class only
To lead the posh life and increase the luxury as much they can

How many do we need like this?
And how can we solve it?
Do we need these unquestionable idols?
Pray to God to release the Church from such Mafias.

Not all of them but there are none other than that.

Joseph Manarkadan, Midle East.

#146 From: abeesh jose <abeeshjose@...>
Date:: Fri Jul 7, 2006 11:53 am
Subject:: Re: solving Malankara church feud
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parish churches belongs parisioners, not to any
metropolitan or to any church. this is what supreme
court said.
  in elamkulam chapel issue in ekm, the st' marys
orthodox church also have the same view. property of
parish churches belongs to parisoinesrs not to any
metran. only in spiritual matters metrans should
indulge . only spiritual authority over churhes no
temporal powers over the church.

#145 From: "george_cthomas" <george_cthomas@...>
Date:: Wed Jul 5, 2006 10:20 pm
Subject:: solving Malankara church feud
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Since Fr.C.M Thomas alias Thomas Mar Divanniasos has formed a new
church(Jacobite Syrian Church) and a new constitution,He should
handover  the churches and other assets of Malankara Orthodox Syrian
Church ,which is under his custodianship by filing a affidavit in
the Supreme court of India stating that there is only one church and
one faith to H H Catholicos of the East
Parish churches are not independent bodies instead they are directly
under the Malankara Metropolitan and to be adminstered by the 1934
constitution of the church.
The above messagae is in responce to that of chev .Thomas Abraham's

George T.,  Kuwait

  "Thomas Abraham" <monthiruvanchoor@h...> wrote:
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> Dear Moderator,
>
> My name is Chev. Thomas Abraham, at present working in the Kingdom
of Bahrain and belongs to the Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox
Church.  I would like to get the views of laity of IOC, which may at one time
instrumental in ending the conflicts between our churches.
I am a member of all other IOC forums and hence hope you have no
> objection in keeping me as a member of your forum.>
> Thanks & Regards>
> Chev. Thomas Abraham - Bahrain

#144 From: bibin mathew <bibinmk2006@...>
Date:: Mon Jul 3, 2006 11:56 am
Subject:: Re: TELEVISION CHANNEL
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Dear Sir

   give more details of Malakara tv when you know

#143 From: "Thomas Abraham" <monthiruvanchoor@...>
Date:: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:15 pm
Subject:: Self-intro
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Dear Moderator,

My name is Chev. Thomas Abraham, at present working in the Kingdom of
Bahrain and belongs to the Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church.
I would like to get the views of laity of IOC, which may at one time
instrumental in ending the conflicts between our churches.

I am a member of all other IOC forums and hence hope you have no
objection in keeping me as a member of your forum.

Thanks & Regards

Chev. Thomas Abraham - Bahrain

#142 From: joice thottakad <joicethottackad@...>
Date:: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:39 am
Subject:: Almayavedi, June 2006
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Almayavedi, June 2006
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Joice Thottackad
Kottayam, Kerala

#141 From: "shaji_austin" <shaji_austin@...>
Date:: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:39 pm
Subject:: Next Catholicos -reply to Mr Thankachan
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To all Morm members,
    This is in response to the msg of Mr Thankachan. I totally support
his view regarding the next Catholica of the IOC. The IOC which had glorious
fathers as the Catholica so far should be continued as such. I totally belive
that the selection of the Catholica should be the work of Divine Holy Spirit.
   It was indeed very sad to see a Bishop stooping to such an extent
in the self campaign. It's really very sad to see like politicians, I
sometimes wonder whether we have lost our spirituality. In human body
the head is considered as the most important centre for the routine
coordination of body activities and if that is not working properly
one's body lose all power. Similarly if the Supreme head is not
giving directions then the followers will lose ground.
    Once again I urge all responsible for the synod election to look
into this matter and urge all IOC brothers and sisters to pray for
Holy spirit to work among our fathers. Hope we could see a spiritial
father for the IOC.

In Love and Prayers
Shaji M Thomas
Austin, Tx

#140 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:47 pm
Subject:: Warm welcome to the H.H. Catholicos .
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The visit of H.H. Basalios Marthoma Didimos 1 Catholica bava in
America created a new strength to the Malankara orthodox Church in
USA.  The New York State assembly declared June 17th as the
Catholicate day.  Spiritual leaders of the other Churches came
together to welcome H.H. Catholicos.

The New York Times and the Houston Chronicle news papers reported
about the visit of the Catholicos and I think it is the 1st time a
news about the Bishop of the Keralite Chrisitn Community appears in
Houston Chronicle.  V.I.P personalities attended in the meeting like
the membarf of the state assembly and senetor.

In Houston the representative of the Houston City and spiritual
leaders of the other churches are attending in the comming reception
on 1st July.

Another wonderful event is the dedication of the Cemetry for the
Orthodox members in Houston.  A separate cemetry for the Orthodox
members is a 1st of its kind in America and the Architect of the
plan is Rev. Dr. Fr. C.O. Varghis, the Vicar of the St. stephens
orthodox church, Houston.  This mtype of facility is rare in our
Churches out side Kerala and none in America. H.H. catholicos is
going to dedicate the cemetry on 3rd July at 10.30 a.m. in Houston.

Asianet gave a good coverage for the visit of Bava Thirumeny and a
good coverage by the American Channels in Houston is expecting.

The reception for Mar Didimos I is an exceptional in ecery place. A
special suppliment for the visit of Mar didimos is published in
Houston by the three parishes in Houston.  The warm welcome to the
Catholicos & Malankara metropolitan is reflecting the respect of the
members of the Malnkara Orthodox Church towards the Church and its
spiritual leaders.

with regards,
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX>

#139 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:55 pm
Subject:: Vision Media Project.
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The suggestion that Mr. George Thomas is excellant as we have to
register and keep our name.  The secretary of the project Rev. Fr.
Varghese Varghese is in america along with Bava Thirumeny and
definitly I will inform Achen about this when he comes to Houston and
I hope they already proceeded for this but I am not sure.

we can expect an excellent result from this project but they need a
good support as every 30 minutes we have to pay Rs.10,000/= and that
is what Rev. Fr. O. Thomas , our Priest trustee told to me three
months before he visits in Houston and it is an approximate expenses
and it may exceed.

Charly V. Padanilam, Houston , TX.

#138 From: "thankachand" <thankachand@...>
Date:: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:34 am
Subject:: Prevent a disaster of Indian Orthodox Church
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All right-thinking Orthodox Church Members should realise that Mar Makarios has
started attempts to capture the throne of St.Thomas ie the Catholicose position.
He has started his campaign putting any nasty politician to blushes. He has
started appointing campaigners. Only corrupt persons like Fr Jacob
Mannaraprayi,Alexander Karackal etc
will jump into this bandwagon.

What is his claim to the top position in the Church? Total inactivity
as Bombay Bishop? Creating chaos at American Diocese? Repeated
disobedience of the Synod? LIfe unbecoming a Bishop? Creating the
problem at Torranto Church in Canada where majority of the members
went over to Jacobite side? Creating litigations and cross litigations
at many Churches in America? Breaking the fundamental principles of
the life of a Monk?
   The throne of St.Thomas is for great men of God like
H.H.Geevarghese I, GeevargheseII, Augen Bava,MathewsII, DidimosI and
others like them. This Church cannot afford the luxuary of wagaboud
Bishops like Mar Makarios.

The oppertunists may join and support Mar Makarios for the lure
of$,they will take the $fro mar makarios and leave him high and dry.

V.Thankachen,Pathanamthitta

#137 From: "manarkadan" <manarkadan@...>
Date:: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:07 pm
Subject:: Re: Next Catholicose
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Mr. sajan Peter's suggestion about Mar Theodosius thirumeny as a
candidate for the post of the successor to the Catholicose is good
but I am doubt about the health condition of Thirumeny and that may
prevent thirumeny for comming forward for the post.

According to the present situation our church need a more active and
administrative person for that post.  we need political and
spiritualy strong personality as we are passing through a tough time
and the patriarchis fraction is trying their maximum to succeed by
using all their amunations. Comparing to this situation Thomas Mar
Makarios thirumeny is the suitable candidate for the post and I heard
that is the opinion of the majority of the people of our church in
this juncture.

Joseph Manarkadan, Middle East.

#136 From: Sajan Peter <sajanpeter1@...>
Date:: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:46 am
Subject:: Fr. P.C. Geevarghese & Mar Makarios
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Is Fr. P. C. Geevarghese still with Mar Makarios?. The former is condemed by the
Holy Synod for the anti chuech activities. He was a firm supporter of Mar
Makarios while he was in Amarican Diocise. Now it is heared that the court cases
initiated by him are for destablizing Mar Didymos I Bava and to prevent the
entery of Mar Theodosius as his successor. This is planned to ensure the
selection of Mar Makarios as next Catholica by the H. Synod and to pave an early
entry to the throne.. Please respond who knows.
   Sajan Peter, Kolladu, Kottayam

#135 From: "george_cthomas" <george_cthomas@...>
Date:: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:58 pm
Subject:: Re: AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN SATELLITE TELEVISION CHANNEL
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Dear Mr.Charly
Few catholic younsters from Calicut started a channel by the
name 'Shalom TV'.We should first conduct a feasibility study.The
project of Fr.P.J.Joshua could be registered as  a company with the
name Malankara in it before other groups take that name.

George T.
Kuwait

#134 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:36 pm
Subject:: Re: AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN SATELLITE TELEVISION CHANNEL
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Opening a TV channel is not easy as we imagining. There are many
factors in that process.  Organizing team and capital is the initial
step.  I have made a detailed study about this projec and mentioned
in ICON in last year and if we need to make it possible the best way
is a contribution of $.250-500 from all the members outside of the
Kerala and a nominal contribution from the members in India.  Then
it can run up to one year and then we have to accept advertisements
that can be acceptable to our standard.

We should find an excellant team to mangae the programm.  It is not
easy to arrange the daily programm for a channel.  A lot of effort
is needed on that project.  If we start a channel with 24 hour
devotional speech then we have to think about the viewers.  Even our
members will not subscribe that channel.  We need to compile all
kind of programmes based on our culture and traditions.

according to the present situation it is not wise to jump for a
channel through our church as the political opportunists will mess
up all the plan including the capital of that project.

But our Church is leasing half an hour of a channel and I think Rev.
Fr. P.J. Joshua is assigned for that project and Achen is working
with that project and I belive Rev. Fr. Varghese Varghese the
General Secretary of the Malankara Orthodox Youth Movement is also
with Joshua Achen.  We need to support them when they approch us for
the support.

May God bless us all.

Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.

#133 From: "george_cthomas" <george_cthomas@...>
Date:: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:22 am
Subject:: AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN SATELLITE TELEVISION CHANNEL
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Dear all
We all know that there are TV channels started by other christian
denominations of kerala.Even pentecost groups have started a
channel.Many of our people are forced to watch catholic/jacobite OR
even pentecost or  Prof.M.Y Yohannan's programs since we dont have a
TV channel.So why cant we or our church start a TV channel so that we
can broadcast Orthodox christian programs, 24 hour news, business
programs and Educational programs which can be linked to our various
institutions.This channel should be availabe worldwide so that our
people from USA to Australia can make use of it.The channel can be
started by forming a company and issuing shares to our church
members.To start with we should atleast register a company with the
name Malankara in it otherwise other groups may start a channel with
this name.I request all members to post your suggestions which can
lead to an action plan.

George T.
Kuwait

#132 From: "manarkadan" <manarkadan@...>
Date:: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:43 pm
Subject:: We need to support Almaya Veedi and it should be independent.
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Mr.Padanilan,

I read your writing about almaya veedi and your words to support the
veedi.  Will you please explain the truth about this veedi?  How
could you change your opinion suddenly?

I have read the few comments about the Almaya Veedi and seen the
names of the leaders in their publication and it shows the image of
the organization as all 10 leaders are from the geographical area of
the northern side of  Kottayam.  That may be the reason they are
influenced by the Patriarchis fraction.

All the publications of the veedi are good in gossiping the
Metropolitans of the Orthodox Church. The veedi is claiming that
they have units in all places and it is curios to know about the
number of the members in that organization.  I got a feeling about
this organization is that it is a coffee zip organization.  It is
absolutely a paper tiger playing cards for some groups and acting on
behalf of them as a Binamy and it is a part of the American Dollar.

I am curious about the position of Mr. James (Pampady) in this
organization and how did he become a member of the media cell of the
Church.  I am curious about the qualification of the person to be a
member of the media cell of the Indian Orthodox Church.

If Mr. Thomas Chandy and Mr. James Thottakad are with a good
intension then you must stop your abuses against the achens and
Thirumenys and you must eliminate the opportunists from your
organization.  You should not be a hunting man's bird.  Approach the
public with your good intention and the public will support you.
And do not keep the veedi as a coffee zip groups.  If not the public
will call it as "Almaya Beedi" instead of Almaya veedi.

Joseph Manarcaden, Middle East.

#131 From: "frchorattil" <frchorattil@...>
Date:: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:48 pm
Subject:: Minnu or Thaali
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Christian thaali is in the shape of a banyan leaf which in its turn
resembles heart which is the eternal and universal symbol of love. The
cross on the thaali s made with  21 small balls. this 21 is the result
of the multiplication of three with seven,i.e., three persons of the
trinity and seven sacraments. the threads for thaali are taken from
the "Mantrakodi". Seven piceces of threads are taken and they are
folded in to three. The bridegroom tie the thaali on the neck of the
bride. This kind of knot is known as male knot (Aankettu) symbolizing
the stability f marriage.
Matrakodi
The groom covers the head of the bride with the Manthrakodi, a garment
of prayers, which is given to the bride by the groom's family. The gift
symbolizes the Lord giving glory to His Church. It is also acts as a
special symbol of protection and acceptance of the bride in to the new
family.

Fr.kuriakose Chorattil

#130 From: Ajoy jacob george <ajoyLL111@...>
Date:: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:16 pm
Subject:: Re:reply to Ronnie Daniel....
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Dear Thomas Chandi,

   This mail comes to you due to the addresses of the persons/groups to which you
sent the mail.

   First, ICON Moderators email id is not iomf@yahoogroups.com.  It is (as you
mentioned as Cc: IndianOrthodox@... & IndianOrthodox@...).

   Second thing I would like to bring to your notice is: how can an individual
with such a vehement hate attitude towards the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
- like Moolayil Korepiscopa - be a member of the forum and his posting with the
link to 'www.Vishwasasamrakshakan.pdf' approved by the moderators to be openly
sent to be read by members of this forum?

   If you go thorugh the so called beacon which "Protects the Faith" (of whom, we
could assume; that of Satan and no-one else) you can find out easily how
disrespectful, disgracing and ill-directed are the views, postings and articles
in the issue.  If the Almayavedi directly or indirectly, knowingly or
unknowingly support such type of posting, we as believing & faithful Orthodox
church members can only assume that "almayavedi" is not upgholding the views and
principles of the Orthodox Chruch members. As being the Secretary and one
possible moderator of the forum, I assume Mr. Thomas Chandy could be able to
justify /rectify on behalf of the forum. I would also like to urge Mr. Kurien
Thomas, an old friend of mine during the MGOCSM / OCYM days in the 1980's to
come forward with his input too.

   Sorry for being so lengthy as well as too blunt. I may try my best to curb
myself after receipt of your reply.

   Let me request the moderators to reply asap and please let me have the contact
email & phone Nos. to be in touch with Mr. Kurien Thomas.

   Thank you and God bless you all,


   Ajoy Jacob,
   Kuwait.

#129 From: "frchorattil" <frchorattil@...>
Date:: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:06 pm
Subject:: Letter to H.H
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Dear Brother George Thomas,

You didn't answer my question but tried to wash your hands and changed
the subject, it is not fair. And again you called the
bishop "criminal". You don't know the Bishop Cleemies Kapalan? Depend
upon false rumor,what you doing are not right.
In the Holy Bible, Gospel of St.mathew, Jesus says

But I say to you, whoever is angry  with his brother will be liable to
judgment, and whoever says to his brother, 'Raqa,' will be answerable
to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, 'You fool,' will be liable to fiery
Gehenna.


Fr. Kuriakose Chorattil
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#128 From: "padanayakan" <charlyvp@...>
Date:: Thu Jun 8, 2006 11:05 pm
Subject:: We need to support Almaya Veedi and it should be independent.
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I have read the details of the Almaya veedi that explained in the
posting of Mr. Thomas Chandy through Mr. Joyce Thottakkadu and that
is good and it reflects the intention of the organization.

I mentioned my doubts only after reading the articles of Mr. Joseph
and Rony in the ICON.  Some of the works done through the almaya
veedi is acceptable and I appreciate it and I like to support the
organization if it is an independent one.  I thought it was an
independent but I doubted when I see the articles of Mr. Joseph and
Mr. Roni and some others.

I have to clear my doubt about the Almaya veedi and that is why I am
writing this posting.  What is the connection of the Veedi with
the "US Malayalee"?  I have seen the publication of the AV is shown
as an attachment of the Usmalayalee.com .  It makes me to doubt
about the independency of the organization. It is appreciable if Mr.
Thomas Chandy or Mr. Joyce can clear that.

We need an organization to protect our Church and it should be
independent.  It should not be a tool for someone to play games in
our Church.  Almaya veedi is raising the voice time to time against
the wrong happenings in our Church.  But some of the activities are
not acceptable also.  We need to rectify the wrong doings but we
cannot do anything that defames our Church.

"In respose to the authenticty of Almayavedi, I feel this is an
organization standing for a right move in our church at this point.
Our church is growing and threre should be some media to protect its
root couse now and then. Almayavedi is one and the only constructive
media and a corrective outstep in the right direction now.
We all should encourage this media.
Korason Varghese
New York"

Is the above statement of Mr. Korason as a church Official or as an
ordinary member?  If so do we also need a parallel organization in
America to stand for the right move of our Church?  Will it be nice
if we start Church politics like how Vellapilly is playing in SNDP?

Did the Almaya veedi point out all the wrong doings in our Church?
Why did they omit some of those.  What voice did the AV raise when
the late Catholicos accepted 4 Bishops with out the approval of the
Malankara Association?  Why the AV is quiet still for the
legalization of the Thirumenys that came to us from the Patriarchis
fraction?  AV have to point out to present the names of our Bishops
in the coming Malankara association and get approved.  Those
Thirumenys should get equal treatment as all thirumenies are the
Bishops of our Church. Did the AV hear about the joining of of 2
priests to our Church to get married? How many Priests of our Church
punished when they get married after the priesthood.  One of the
fractions divided from also the hidden cause was the marriage of the
Priest.  Our Bishops are owning private properties, how far the AV
reach against that?

It will be highly appreciable if anyone explains the attachment of
Almaya Veedi with the US malayalee.com

With regards,
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.

#127 From: "george_cthomas" <george_cthomas@...>
Date:: Thu Jun 8, 2006 11:24 am
Subject:: ALMAYAVEDI UNITS IN ALL CHURCHES IN KERALA AND ABROAD
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Dear Moderator,

Once H G Thomas Mar Athanasios thirumeni told that political forums
should be formed at panchayat level.I dont know what has happened.I
suggest Almayavedi should be formed in all parish churhes in kerala
and abroad and all male members who are above 35 yrs should take
membership.Can someone tell me how many units have been formed so far?

George T.
Kuwait

#126 From: "ronniedaniel1953" <ronniedaniel@...>
Date:: Wed Jun 7, 2006 3:24 pm
Subject:: Re: Akhila Malankara Orthodox Almayavedi
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Dear Mr. Chandy,

I read your response and I think your  goals and intentions are good,
but problem is with  the means you are taking to reach these goals.

First of all you need to remember that  we are a Church. Unlike
political party or commercial businesses,   revolution and
renaissance  in the Church is brought  by God; not by individuals.
The action needed  is Prayers; not Publications filled with
slanderous allegations.

When you see  " Eapen Kunnu " at Shastamkotta ; you are visualizing a
property worth hundreds of crores  with possibility of becoming a
huge business empire in future which is enjoyed be a few people.  May
be  that is one way to look at  it.  Many other  members of the
church see it as a Holy place blessed by the  remains of our departed
Holy Father.  Every time you bring up this story of the 500 Crores
and the will of the  departed Holy father, the church as a whole is
becoming laughing stock among other Christian community and non-
believers.  You don't care about the credibility of the church or the
credibility of our departed Holy fathers; but you care about the 500
crores.  Sensible people do not discuss  negative issues connecting
people who  passed away.

In my opinion what is at stake at Shastamkotta is not the property
there; but the remains of our Holy Father.  There may be thieves who
made this game plan early enough to cash on the Holiness  of the late
father. They are like the politicians who bought  land in and around
the Nedumbassery air port before the announcement of the
international air port there.  Their reward is waiting for them in
Heaven.  It is a pity that you are repeatedly dragging the name of
the departed Holy father to score points against your adversaries. I
am sure that no one can take away from us  the remains of the Holy
Father and his prayer should be our strength. Not the property
surrounding " EapenKunnu" or the deposits the Holy father left
behind.

Your next issue is Bishops staying in Hotels. What about Bishops
traveling in foreign cars  instead of bullock carts.  What about
Bishops traveling in   jets instead of  ships ??  What about Bishops
going for  luxury ayurvedic treatment vacations instead of  healing
their sickness by prayer or waiting on bed  for the arrival of Holy
Spirit. What about Bishops using luxury clothing and ornaments
instead of regular ones. What about Bishops building palaces for them
and empires in their memory.
Times have changed my friend.  We want  the luxury and facilities for
us and our children; whereas, we want  the  Bishops and Priests to
live  like Parumala Thirumeni.  We are living in  the new age.
Bishops based outside Kerala needs their communication links  outside
of Kerala . They need internet facilities. The need to interact with
people outside Kottayam. They need secretarial service.  Some of
them are sick. They need timely food and medicines and proper health
care. Some of  them do not travel with their  assistants deacons; or
some of  them do not have the luxury of having a deacon's assistance.
Do you want to deny them these facilities and kill them.  Come to
your senses my friend. Don't cry always like babies.

Why can't you leave these petty things and  discuss  issues which
are  more important in our daily lives.

Rgds
Ronnie Daniel
Toronto, Canada

#125 From: Varghese Korason <vkorason@...>
Date:: Wed Jun 7, 2006 3:51 am
Subject:: Re: Akhila Malankara Orthodox Almayavedi
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In respose to the authenticty of Almayavedi, I feel this is an organazation
standing for a right move in our church at this point. Our church is growing and
threre should be some media to protect its root couse now and then. Almayavedi
is one and the only constructive media and a corrective outstep in the right
direction now.
   We all should encourage this media.
   Korason Varghese
   New York

#124 From: "george_cthomas" <george_cthomas@...>
Date:: Tue Jun 6, 2006 3:30 pm
Subject:: SCHISM IN JACOBITE CHUCH KUWAIT
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Dear all,

Syrian Orthodox church in kuwait has been divided into two.A new group
called St.Mary's Jacobite Syrian Church has been approved by the
Syrian Patriarch which broke away from the the existing St.George's
Universal Syrian Orthodox church after a period of internal fighting
between Knanayas and non knanayas.
It has been said that knanayas were ruling nonknanays by holding all
key posts in the church committee.
The jacobite church is like UDF where coalition parties will split for
selfish motives and then became part of the UDF with the permission of
congress high command.This schism in Kuwait will also happen in Kerala
when the fued with Malankara Orthodox church ends.

George T.
Kuwait

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