Exactly Johney.
I happened to read in another forum the story of a venerable priest
from the north and the hardship he had to go through for being honest
and straight forward.
I am sure so many souls who are not on either side of this dispute; but
staying with the truth are not accepted in both the factions and hated
by both groups. One example is the retired civil servant Dr. Babu
Paul. Both sides hates him for being truthful.
So many of our Bishops have vested interests and hidden agendas.
Why we pick on any single Bishop or group of Bishops and crucify them
in public. Each one of us are currupt one way or other and how can a
Bishop who came from a corrupt community be different ???
Let us not pick on them. Judgement is for God and leave this job for
God.
rgds
ronnie
--- In MORM@..., "johneyjac" <johneyjac@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Ronnie,
>
> I also fully agree with you. These three Bishops united with the
> church taking the good spirit of supreme court verdict. All the
> Bishops in that faction including their present leader accepted 1934
> constitiution at that time. But some accepted with some hidden
> agenda. Whoever united with good spirit remained in the church and
> others formed a newly registered group(2002) and jumped out.
>
> Eventhough the patrikkese group has lot of internal problems, they
> are hiding it and trying to attack on our church through different
> forums. Not only their forum but our forums are also becoming stage
> of their attacks.
>
> Johney Jacob
>
Dear All
i read from almayavedi web magazine that jacobites are planning to
build a church infront of our church in Puthupally illegally.
i hope the MLA of Puthupally will support these criminals who are a
disgrace to the entire Christian community in Kerala.
our church leadership is showing a blind eye towards this act.
I suggest Almayavedi to report this matter directly to Chief Minister
of Kerala and also bring into the notice of media
George T,
Kuwait
The Catholic Church clergy mentioned in his speech at the ecumenical
convention that "Jesus is our brother" and Mr. Koshy and all other
Orthodox audience felt it is wrong.
We believe Jesus as the son of God and through the Trinity Jesus as
God. God send His begotten son to this world. And again taught us
as about the "word". In St. John chapter 1 begins with the "Word".
It teaches us that in the beginning there was "word" and the Word
was with God and the word was God. That Word enters to St. Mary to
born with a human body. The Word of God through the angel Gabriel
entered in to the womb of Mother Mary and become flesh and born as a
human in to this world as Son of God.
We are also children of God. When we take the literal meaning and
compare the relationship then some one can say that Jesus is our
brother, because both are children of God. But the Father, Son and
Holy Spirit conception is a big secret and that is a three-in-one
and one-in-three theory where we are not in there.
Jesus taught us that we have to become like Him and that is the wish
of Jesus as well as the wish of God. Because of that teaching none
can claim that we are God. Jesus told that whoever doing my wish
are my brothers and those are all the teachings of Jesus and which
reveals that the human can join with Jesus and can become together
with Jesus without any difference.
We can be the brother/sister of Jesus because Jesus offered
everything to us with only one condition that we have to obey His
commandments. The love of God that Jesus showed us is un-
conditional. He is expecting nothing from us except to live in the
path that God commanded us.
This is a very deep subject and I am unable to explain the concept
of this. But such comments and teachings are unsuitable at a public
audience if it is not the theological audience. Because it needs a
lot of explanations to analyze that theory.
We believe in Jesus and that faith and belief are inexplicable. We
the Orthodox faithful believers are in the True faith and belief and
it is not necessary to have an ecumenical convention with the
catholic and Protestants. Why should we close our mouth to please
the Protestants and the Catholic Church? We need to cut short our
prayer to please the Marthomites and the Protestants. We have to
listen the falls teachings of the Catholic Church. Even we are
breaking the protocol of our clergy during these kinds of meetings.
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
What is the hidden agenda behind the case against H.H. Mar Didimos
I ?
Many rumors came out about the case against the authority of H. H.
Mar Didimos 1. as the Catholicos of the MOSC. The Almaya veedi
threw stones towards two Bishops of our Church. Some others are
spreading the rumors against the other fractions and some are trying
to catch the fish in this muddy water.
Let us see to reveal the reality in this case. The case is against
our Church as it questioned the authority of our head of the
church. If the court finds that the election of Mar Didimos as the
successor of Mar Mathews II is invalid then the process is to call
the Malankara Association for the legal election of the Catholicos
of the MOSC. There is a hidden agenda that many did not understand
it and some are aware about that but they are keeping silence.
It is necessary to be elected by the Malankara Association to one
become the Bishop of the MOSC. The Malankara Association does not
legally elect the 4 Bishops who crossed the floor and joined with
the MOSC from the Patriarchis fraction. It is also a legal issue if
anyone appears in the court in the same way someone did against the
H.H. Catholicos of the MOSC. So this subject also can bring forward
as an issue and if there is any necessity for an election to
legalize the position of the H.H. Mar Didimos I, then the names of
the remaining 3 Bishops can also put forward for the approval of the
Malankara Association. People can think about this agenda and can
find that the case against our H.H. Bava Thirumeny is make the way
to lighten the approval of this Bishops from the Malankara
Association.
The election allegation against the H.H. catholicos started by 2
active members of the Orthodox Youth Movement. If anyone find the
structure and relationship of those people with the political
figures in our Church, then it is very easy to understand the root
and plan of this hidden agenda.
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
Dear Ronnie,
I also fully agree with you. These three Bishops united with the
church taking the good spirit of supreme court verdict. All the
Bishops in that faction including their present leader accepted 1934
constitiution at that time. But some accepted with some hidden
agenda. Whoever united with good spirit remained in the church and
others formed a newly registered group(2002) and jumped out.
Eventhough the patrikkese group has lot of internal problems, they
are hiding it and trying to attack on our church through different
forums. Not only their forum but our forums are also becoming stage
of their attacks.
Johney Jacob
Dear Koshy
My thoughts about it are :
I am just a lay member; not a theologean; my opinion may not be
correct :
We believe in the Triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
You have no doubt about the Father and Holy Spirit.
In case of Son; ie. Jesus, he was God and Man at same time.
So, what the catholic priest said is right " He was our Brother..
but, same time he was God as well".
He took human flesh to show us how to live in this world.
rgds
ronnie
--- In MORM@..., "KOSHY KURUVILLA" <koshyk1@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear MORM members/friends
>
> I am a member of the Indian Orthodox Church currently living and
working in the UAE.
>
> The reason for writing this msg is to seek the right clarification
for my question. I am an ordinary layman and I have asked this doubt
to many, but giving different answers:
>
> Recently, we had an ecumenical convention in our church and one of
the speakers was from the Catholic Church. During his speech he has
stated that:
>
> Jesus is the Son of God
>
> We are the children of God
>
> Therefore, Jesus is our brother!
>
> He has repeated the question: Who is Jesus?….. And insisted the
audience to say the answer: Jesus is our brother!!
>
> I failed to grab the point and felt that it is an insult to God and
Christianity. I have raised this point to our priest; though he
agreed with me and stated that the speaker has missed the points to
further clarify and conclude it in the correct way.
> Could anyone provide me with a proper advice/guidance on this
issue. My intention is to explain the issue correctly to our members
so that they will not conceive the wrong theory if it is incorrect.
> Seeking your support in this matter.
> Best Regards
> Koshy
>
Dear Saju,
That may be the jacobite view. But, there are many others who beleive
otherwise.
Are you sure that the Jacobite jokes will come true.
May be or may not. They want these three Bishops back to their fold
and thats why they spread these rumours.
How they know that these Bishops are going to do what they said..
Did these Bishops " outsourced " their thinking skills to our
jacobite brothers.
These are all gossips and treat it that way.
We should not be giving a stage to our jacobites brothers to gossip
about our bishops.
Also, it would be appropriate avoiding names when we discuss about
our spiritual fathers.
Let God be the judge if they did wrong.....
rgds
ronnie
--- In MORM@..., "SAJU" <saju2276@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Padanayakan,
> The cross jumpers always have their own hidden agenda. You
mentioned
> about one bishop only. What about others who cross jumped? We will
> see their hidden agenda at the right time.
>
> I heard some Jacobites joke:
> A ban on Bishop Athanasios collecting rental income from
> Muvattupuzha property or a transfer from Muvattupuzha, A promotion
> to Bishop Milithios (Trichur)as a Misson Bishop in N. India, A
> transfer for Bishop Nicholovas from U.S.A to India...we could see
> their 'Thaniniram'.
>
> Utopian hidden agendas cause desperation which eventually lead
> to 'Thaniniram' showing.
>
> Saju Paulose
> New York.
>
>
> --- In MORM@..., "padanayakan" <charlyvp@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Shaju Joseph,
> >
> > Your posting about Mar savarios is so humourous. Mar Savarios
> came
> > to Dubai St. Thomas Orthodox Church in 1998 at his 1st time and I
> > were the Vice President of the Youth Movement at the same year.
> We
> > arranged a meeting with H.G. at our Dubai Church and we asked
some
> > doubts about H.G.'s floor crossing towards the Orthodox Church
and
> > after hearing H.G.'s explanations we understood that H.G. may not
> > stay with the Orthodox church as H.G.'s intention was something
> else
> > and H.G. left the MOSC with happiness because it was a profitable
> > business for H.G.
> >
> > Mar Savarios returned to Patriarchis fraction not becauss of the
> > behavior of the people of the Orthodox Church but because of
H.G's
> > hidden agenda. If you are doubt about my posting you can inquire
> > the same with Mr. Koshy valliyazathu or with Mr. David
> (Kudassanadu)
> > of the Dubai St. Thomas Orthodox Church.
> >
> > Mr. Shaju, please do not blame the members of the Orthodox
members
> > without knowing the truth.
> >
> > Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
> >
> > --- In MORM@..., "joicethottackad"
> > <joicethottackad@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > A Letter From Shaju Joseph, Dubai
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Joice sir
> > >
> > > I am very much appreciating you for the interest
> > > you are showing on our church matters. I would like to
> > > introduce myself . I am a computer Engineer and
> > > working with Dubai Media City. I am am member of
> > > Orthodox church not a member of any of the forums but
> > > very much interested in church matters. I have gone
> > > through your site
> > > http://www.malankaraorthodoxalmayavedi.org/Almaya%20Vedi/News%
> > > 20Bullettin.htm.
> > > I would like to share my thoughts with me.
> > >
> > > 1. The leadership of the church behaving without any
> > > vision.
> > >
> > > 2. Most of the Bishops and some preists from south
> > > dont like the bishops of Thrissur( Mor militius) and
> > > Kandanad( Mor Athanasius)
> > >
> > > 3. one of the reasons for Mor severious(Angamaly) has
> > > left the orthodox faction because of these peoples
> > > behavoiur.
> > >
> > > 4. There are so many reasons behind it and you may be
> > > aware of it.
> > >
> > > 5. Mar severious of Kandanad said to a member that the
> > > bishops came from other church would not be stable.
> > > http://www.malankaradeepam.org/mdeepam/latest1/p2.html
> > >
> > > So mor severious blieves that Jacobite faction is
> > > another church. All the church beleives that there is
> > > only one church but a member of Sinod says there is
> > > another church and some bishop came from another
> > > church.
> > >
> > > 6. Fr. M. O. John editor of Malankara Sabha Deepam has
> > > hidden agendas. He is keeping his yellow paper to
> > > fullfill his wishes. He has strong connections with
> > > Didimos I bawa. Fr. M. O .John has made the
> > > arrangements for Bawas south aftrican visit when he
> > > was a metropolitan.
> > > The recent developments in Thrikkunnathu seminary
> > > reveals this relation openly.
> > >
> > > 7. When HH Mathews II Bawa was on power , Fr. M . O
> > > John took a stand against the Bawa and even told the
> > > bawa is not sensible ( Cheppad Church)
> > >
> > > I would like to write more but let me stop now.
> > >
> > > Wishing you all the succes for this war against the
> > > evils in our church and pray to God to strengten you.
> > >
> > > In christ
> > >
> > > Shaju Joseph, Dubai
> > >
> > >
> > > Joice Thottackad
> > > Kottayam
> > >
> >
>
Dear MORM members/friends
I am a member of the Indian Orthodox Church currently living and working in the
UAE.
The reason for writing this msg is to seek the right clarification for my
question. I am an ordinary layman and I have asked this doubt to many, but
giving different answers:
Recently, we had an ecumenical convention in our church and one of the speakers
was from the Catholic Church. During his speech he has stated that:
Jesus is the Son of God
We are the children of God
Therefore, Jesus is our brother!
He has repeated the question: Who is Jesus?….. And insisted the audience to say
the answer: Jesus is our brother!!
I failed to grab the point and felt that it is an insult to God and
Christianity. I have raised this point to our priest; though he agreed with me
and stated that the speaker has missed the points to further clarify and
conclude it in the correct way.
Could anyone provide me with a proper advice/guidance on this issue. My
intention is to explain the issue correctly to our members so that they will not
conceive the wrong theory if it is incorrect.
Seeking your support in this matter.
Best Regards
Koshy
Dear Moderator,
My name is Anish Abraham.I am an engineering graduate,currently preparing for
GATE.My parish is St George Orthodox Church Kanakapalam,Kottayam diocese.
I strongly support our Didimos Thirumeni in the clean up which he had done in
the subha secretariat.I wish to support him for all his future projects and I
also wish to take this as a stage to post my views and also wish to have a
glance at others views.
Regards,
Anish
Dear Padanayakan,
The cross jumpers always have their own hidden agenda. You mentioned
about one bishop only. What about others who cross jumped? We will
see their hidden agenda at the right time.
I heard some Jacobites joke:
A ban on Bishop Athanasios collecting rental income from
Muvattupuzha property or a transfer from Muvattupuzha, A promotion
to Bishop Milithios (Trichur)as a Misson Bishop in N. India, A
transfer for Bishop Nicholovas from U.S.A to India...we could see
their 'Thaniniram'.
Utopian hidden agendas cause desperation which eventually lead
to 'Thaniniram' showing.
Saju Paulose
New York.
--- In MORM@..., "padanayakan" <charlyvp@h...> wrote:
>
> Mr. Shaju Joseph,
>
> Your posting about Mar savarios is so humourous. Mar Savarios
came
> to Dubai St. Thomas Orthodox Church in 1998 at his 1st time and I
> were the Vice President of the Youth Movement at the same year.
We
> arranged a meeting with H.G. at our Dubai Church and we asked some
> doubts about H.G.'s floor crossing towards the Orthodox Church and
> after hearing H.G.'s explanations we understood that H.G. may not
> stay with the Orthodox church as H.G.'s intention was something
else
> and H.G. left the MOSC with happiness because it was a profitable
> business for H.G.
>
> Mar Savarios returned to Patriarchis fraction not becauss of the
> behavior of the people of the Orthodox Church but because of H.G's
> hidden agenda. If you are doubt about my posting you can inquire
> the same with Mr. Koshy valliyazathu or with Mr. David
(Kudassanadu)
> of the Dubai St. Thomas Orthodox Church.
>
> Mr. Shaju, please do not blame the members of the Orthodox members
> without knowing the truth.
>
> Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
>
> --- In MORM@..., "joicethottackad"
> <joicethottackad@y...> wrote:
> >
> > A Letter From Shaju Joseph, Dubai
> >
> >
> > Dear Joice sir
> >
> > I am very much appreciating you for the interest
> > you are showing on our church matters. I would like to
> > introduce myself . I am a computer Engineer and
> > working with Dubai Media City. I am am member of
> > Orthodox church not a member of any of the forums but
> > very much interested in church matters. I have gone
> > through your site
> > http://www.malankaraorthodoxalmayavedi.org/Almaya%20Vedi/News%
> > 20Bullettin.htm.
> > I would like to share my thoughts with me.
> >
> > 1. The leadership of the church behaving without any
> > vision.
> >
> > 2. Most of the Bishops and some preists from south
> > dont like the bishops of Thrissur( Mor militius) and
> > Kandanad( Mor Athanasius)
> >
> > 3. one of the reasons for Mor severious(Angamaly) has
> > left the orthodox faction because of these peoples
> > behavoiur.
> >
> > 4. There are so many reasons behind it and you may be
> > aware of it.
> >
> > 5. Mar severious of Kandanad said to a member that the
> > bishops came from other church would not be stable.
> > http://www.malankaradeepam.org/mdeepam/latest1/p2.html
> >
> > So mor severious blieves that Jacobite faction is
> > another church. All the church beleives that there is
> > only one church but a member of Sinod says there is
> > another church and some bishop came from another
> > church.
> >
> > 6. Fr. M. O. John editor of Malankara Sabha Deepam has
> > hidden agendas. He is keeping his yellow paper to
> > fullfill his wishes. He has strong connections with
> > Didimos I bawa. Fr. M. O .John has made the
> > arrangements for Bawas south aftrican visit when he
> > was a metropolitan.
> > The recent developments in Thrikkunnathu seminary
> > reveals this relation openly.
> >
> > 7. When HH Mathews II Bawa was on power , Fr. M . O
> > John took a stand against the Bawa and even told the
> > bawa is not sensible ( Cheppad Church)
> >
> > I would like to write more but let me stop now.
> >
> > Wishing you all the succes for this war against the
> > evils in our church and pray to God to strengten you.
> >
> > In christ
> >
> > Shaju Joseph, Dubai
> >
> >
> > Joice Thottackad
> > Kottayam
> >
>
My dear & Respected Orthodox Members,
Our orthodox christian family magazene 'Idavakapathrika' of Sept 2006 has
been published.
website: http://www.edavakapathrika.com
With prayers
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Dear All,
Mr.Alex Kurian has given an excellant analysis of assembly elections
pertaining to our community in Aug issue of online edition.Its a
very good news that now we have 7 Orthodox MLAs.I dont know whether
Almaya Vedi has felicitated our MLAs.
Congress has cheated our community and unfortunately we had been
supporting the enemies of our church till our Bawa Thirumeni(when He
was a bishop) during Thiruvalla byelection commented that Orthodox
people are not going to support UDF/Congress forever.
Now we should form a team of MLAs who will support us in
implementing court orders and bringing all the Malankara Orthodox
churches under the Catholicos of the East and thereby ending the
decades long court cases.
Almayavedi is doing a great job in exposing the selfish and even
AntiOrthodox elements inside our church.
George T.
Kuwait
as we all know Musaris was an ancient port where St.Thomas reached
Malankara.recently ministers and historians visited the historical
monuments in Malyankara.Is there an Orthodox church or monument there?
news source:Mathrubhumi dated 15sep06
George .T
Kuwait
BANGALORE INITIATIVE FOR RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE(BIRD)
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Dear members of Dialogue Groups, Friends & Students of
Dr. Stanley Samartha
SAMARTHA MEMORIAL LECTURE- 2006- AN APPEAL
Rev. Dr. Stanley Samartha (1920-2001) was the first
director of the Dialogue Programme of the World
Council of Churches in Geneva for over a decade until
1980. Earlier, he was the Principal of Karnataka
United Theological Seminary, Mangalore, Professor at
the United Theological College, Bangalore (1960-66)
and later Principal of the Serampore Theological
Seminary. He was also an ordained presbyter of the
Church of South India for more than fifty years. Known
as “the Christian Prophet of Religious Pluralism”,
Samartha was a world-renowned Indian Christian
theologian, thinker, teacher and author of many books
and articles
The Bangalore Initiative for Religious Dialogue (BIRD)
has been organising in Bangalore a series of lectures
annually in memory of Dr. Stanley Samartha in the
month of October since 2001. The first lecture was
delivered by Francois Gautier on the theme, “The Need
for Inter-Religious Dialogue”, while the second
lecture was by
Dr. C.T.Kurien on “Communal Harmony- A Societal
Perspective”. Dr. M.V.Nadkarni delivered the third one
on “Religion in the 21st Century”. It was the turn of
Rt. Rev. Dr. Philippose Mar Chrysotom, Metropolitan of
the Mar Thoma Syrian Church, to deliver this
prestigious lecture in 2005. The theme was “Courage
for Dialogue”.
This year’s Samartha Memorial Lecture- the fifth in
the series – will be delivered by Rev. Dr. Hans Ucko,
Head of the Inter-Religious Affairs & Dialogue, WCC,
on 16 October at the St. Mark’s Cathedral, Bangalore,
at 5.30 p.m. The theme is “TOWARDS AN ETHICAL CODE OF
CONDUCT FOR RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS”.
BIRD is organising this year's Lecture in association
with St. Mark's Cathdral & YMCA Bangalore.
Yours sincerely
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Mr. Shaju Joseph,
Your posting about Mar savarios is so humourous. Mar Savarios came
to Dubai St. Thomas Orthodox Church in 1998 at his 1st time and I
were the Vice President of the Youth Movement at the same year. We
arranged a meeting with H.G. at our Dubai Church and we asked some
doubts about H.G.'s floor crossing towards the Orthodox Church and
after hearing H.G.'s explanations we understood that H.G. may not
stay with the Orthodox church as H.G.'s intention was something else
and H.G. left the MOSC with happiness because it was a profitable
business for H.G.
Mar Savarios returned to Patriarchis fraction not becauss of the
behavior of the people of the Orthodox Church but because of H.G's
hidden agenda. If you are doubt about my posting you can inquire
the same with Mr. Koshy valliyazathu or with Mr. David (Kudassanadu)
of the Dubai St. Thomas Orthodox Church.
Mr. Shaju, please do not blame the members of the Orthodox members
without knowing the truth.
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
--- In MORM@..., "joicethottackad"
<joicethottackad@y...> wrote:
>
> A Letter From Shaju Joseph, Dubai
>
>
> Dear Joice sir
>
> I am very much appreciating you for the interest
> you are showing on our church matters. I would like to
> introduce myself . I am a computer Engineer and
> working with Dubai Media City. I am am member of
> Orthodox church not a member of any of the forums but
> very much interested in church matters. I have gone
> through your site
> http://www.malankaraorthodoxalmayavedi.org/Almaya%20Vedi/News%
> 20Bullettin.htm.
> I would like to share my thoughts with me.
>
> 1. The leadership of the church behaving without any
> vision.
>
> 2. Most of the Bishops and some preists from south
> dont like the bishops of Thrissur( Mor militius) and
> Kandanad( Mor Athanasius)
>
> 3. one of the reasons for Mor severious(Angamaly) has
> left the orthodox faction because of these peoples
> behavoiur.
>
> 4. There are so many reasons behind it and you may be
> aware of it.
>
> 5. Mar severious of Kandanad said to a member that the
> bishops came from other church would not be stable.
> http://www.malankaradeepam.org/mdeepam/latest1/p2.html
>
> So mor severious blieves that Jacobite faction is
> another church. All the church beleives that there is
> only one church but a member of Sinod says there is
> another church and some bishop came from another
> church.
>
> 6. Fr. M. O. John editor of Malankara Sabha Deepam has
> hidden agendas. He is keeping his yellow paper to
> fullfill his wishes. He has strong connections with
> Didimos I bawa. Fr. M. O .John has made the
> arrangements for Bawas south aftrican visit when he
> was a metropolitan.
> The recent developments in Thrikkunnathu seminary
> reveals this relation openly.
>
> 7. When HH Mathews II Bawa was on power , Fr. M . O
> John took a stand against the Bawa and even told the
> bawa is not sensible ( Cheppad Church)
>
> I would like to write more but let me stop now.
>
> Wishing you all the succes for this war against the
> evils in our church and pray to God to strengten you.
>
> In christ
>
> Shaju Joseph, Dubai
>
>
> Joice Thottackad
> Kottayam
>
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:51:02 -0000 From: "joicethottackad" Subject: Some church issues
A Letter From Shaju Joseph, Dubai
Dear Joice sir
I am very much appreciating you for the
interest you are showing on our church matters. I would like to introduce myself . I am a computer Engineer and working with Dubai Media City. I am am member of Orthodox church not a member of any of the forums but very much interested in church matters. I have gone through your site http://www.malankaraorthodoxalmayavedi.org/Almaya%20Vedi/News% 20Bullettin.htm. I would like to share my thoughts with me.
1. The leadership of the church behaving without any vision.
2. Most of the Bishops and some preists from south dont like the bishops of Thrissur( Mor militius) and Kandanad( Mor Athanasius)
3. one of the reasons for Mor severious(Angamaly) has left the orthodox faction because of these peoples behavoiur.
4. There are so many reasons behind it and you may be aware of it.
5. Mar severious of Kandanad said to a member that the bishops came from other church would not be
stable. http://www.malankaradeepam.org/mdeepam/latest1/p2.html
So mor severious blieves that Jacobite faction is another church. All the church beleives that there is only one church but a member of Sinod says there is another church and some bishop came from another church.
6. Fr. M. O. John editor of Malankara Sabha Deepam has hidden agendas. He is keeping his yellow paper to fullfill his wishes. He has strong connections with Didimos I bawa. Fr. M. O .John has made the arrangements for Bawas south aftrican visit when he was a metropolitan. The recent developments in Thrikkunnathu seminary reveals this relation openly.
7. When HH Mathews II Bawa was on power , Fr. M . O John took a stand against the Bawa and even told the bawa is not sensible ( Cheppad Church)
I would like to write more but let me stop now.
Wishing you all the succes for this war against the evils in our church and pray to
God to strengten you.
A Letter From Shaju Joseph, Dubai
Dear Joice sir
I am very much appreciating you for the interest
you are showing on our church matters. I would like to
introduce myself . I am a computer Engineer and
working with Dubai Media City. I am am member of
Orthodox church not a member of any of the forums but
very much interested in church matters. I have gone
through your site
http://www.malankaraorthodoxalmayavedi.org/Almaya%20Vedi/News%
20Bullettin.htm.
I would like to share my thoughts with me.
1. The leadership of the church behaving without any
vision.
2. Most of the Bishops and some preists from south
dont like the bishops of Thrissur( Mor militius) and
Kandanad( Mor Athanasius)
3. one of the reasons for Mor severious(Angamaly) has
left the orthodox faction because of these peoples
behavoiur.
4. There are so many reasons behind it and you may be
aware of it.
5. Mar severious of Kandanad said to a member that the
bishops came from other church would not be stable.
http://www.malankaradeepam.org/mdeepam/latest1/p2.html
So mor severious blieves that Jacobite faction is
another church. All the church beleives that there is
only one church but a member of Sinod says there is
another church and some bishop came from another
church.
6. Fr. M. O. John editor of Malankara Sabha Deepam has
hidden agendas. He is keeping his yellow paper to
fullfill his wishes. He has strong connections with
Didimos I bawa. Fr. M. O .John has made the
arrangements for Bawas south aftrican visit when he
was a metropolitan.
The recent developments in Thrikkunnathu seminary
reveals this relation openly.
7. When HH Mathews II Bawa was on power , Fr. M . O
John took a stand against the Bawa and even told the
bawa is not sensible ( Cheppad Church)
I would like to write more but let me stop now.
Wishing you all the succes for this war against the
evils in our church and pray to God to strengten you.
In christ
Shaju Joseph, Dubai
Joice Thottackad
Kottayam
Note: forwarded message attached.
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Dear Joice sir
I am very much appreciating you for the interest
you are showing on our church matters. I would like to
introduce myself . I am a computer Engineer and
working with Dubai Media City. I am am member of
Orthodox church not a member of any of the forums but
very much interested in church matters. I have gone
through your site
http://www.malankaraorthodoxalmayavedi.org/Almaya%20Vedi/News%20Bullettin.htm.
I would like to share my thoughts with me.
1. The leadership of the church behaving without any
vision.
2. Most of the Bishops and some preists from south
dont like the bishops of Thrissur( Mor militius) and
Kandanad( Mor Athanasius)
3. one of the reasons for Mor severious(Angamaly) has
left the orthodox faction because of these peoples
behavoiur.
4. There are so many reasons behind it and you may be
aware of it.
5. Mar severious of Kandanad said to a member that the
bishops came from other church would not be stable.
http://www.malankaradeepam.org/mdeepam/latest1/p2.html
So mor severious blieves that Jacobite faction is
another church. All the church beleives that there is
only one church but a member of Sinod says there is
another church and some bishop came from another
church.
6. Fr. M. O. John editor of Malankara Sabha Deepam has
hidden agendas. He is keeping his yellow paper to
fullfill his wishes. He has strong connections with
Didimos I bawa. Fr. M. O .John has made the
arrangements for Bawas south aftrican visit when he
was a metropolitan.
The recent developments in Thrikkunnathu seminary
reveals this relation openly.
7. When HH Mathews II Bawa was on power , Fr. M . O
John took a stand against the Bawa and even told the
bawa is not sensible ( Cheppad Church)
I would like to write more but let me stop now.
Wishing you all the succes for this war against the
evils in our church and pray to God to strengten you.
In christ
Shaju Joseph
Dubai
+971 50 3757980
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shreshta bawa C.M.Thomas has formed a 1001 strong task force to
capture Thrikkunnathu seminary.
Hope Almayavedi has taken note of the situation
News source: Mangalam internet edition
George T.
Kuwait
Today I read the news that "Marthoma Sabha Prathinidhi Mandalam" made a decision to make houses for their house less church members. So they allotted in their budget 1.5 crores rupees only for this purpose. So within two years1500 houses will be constructed for their house less church members. By 2010 all their church members wil have houses.
This is a very good decision and our church can also do such type of things. All churches are doing for the wellness of their church members. Our church is having lot of missionary work and charity work among poor people . Together with that we have to be concerned about our own church members. I think that all churches except our church is giving first preference to their own church members.
Dear Mr.Johney
Your mail has given a clear picture of our community's political
environemnt.marthomites are very active in politcs.they have
consolidated their efforts thereby both UDF and LDF are selecting
candidates from them.We should either form a political party or
forum to negotiate with udf/ldf.
we cannot rely on present politicians like Oomen chandy.P.C.Thomas
etc.we need politicians who are ready to protect our church's
interests.
Almayavedi should take this matter seriously.Our present Bawa
Thirumeni has a practical approch than former Bawa who gave toomuch
importance to ecuemism.
Mr.Johney can you please tell us more about costistuencies where our
churhc members are in majority having sizable votes.
George T.
Kuwait
--- In MORM@..., JOHNEY JACOB <johneyjac@y...> wrote:
>
> Not only in Tiruvalla but in many other nearby constituencies
orthodox people are of majority. All our people might have different
political opinions. But when our church is having a problem or
need,they will all give first preference to that only.
>
> But what we lack is good leadership and organisers. We should
always be united. I think that Almayavedi can do great things in
this context.
>
> During the last Tiruvalla byelection (year 2003 or 2004) our
people were united. But the decisions made by the leadership at the
last moment was not right or the leadership had not conveyed the
right stand to our people. This made confusion among our people.
>
> Also it has to be remembered that after E.John Jacob, P.C.
Thomas was MLA for bout 10 years. He was also an active member of
our church. Now also there are several winnable cndidates in both
LDF and UDF as our members. But church leadership should insists for
orthodox candidates.
>
> Johney Jacob
>
>
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