The posting of Fr. Kuriakose Cherattil about the Burbank, CA is
little exaggerated one as achen is with the Patriarchies fraction
and a person in such a situation usually get frustrated when hearing
that a parish is left from the side of the Patriarchies side to the
groups of the Catholicos of All the East.
If Fr. Tarazi is running a liquor shop (I do not know whether it is
correct or not) as per the posting of Fr. Kuriakose; then he may not
opened it after the split. Why did the Syrian Patriarchies or
H.H.'s Assistants allowed him to do that business when he was under
the Syriac Orthodox Church? Or will it be a sin if a liquor selling
or consuming priest leaves the Syriac Church?
But from the posting of Fr. Kuriakose we can understand that the
process of bifurcation of the Syriac Church in Burbank is the result
of a long process of fighting. So there is some reason behind it.
God knows the reality only. Both fractions have their own
justifications and both are throwing stones each other.
Some other parishes, clergies and Bishops of the Syriac Orthodox
Church also planning to join with MOSC and it is highly appreciable
as they learned the truth and that led them for taking the correct
decision in appropriate time.
The visit of H.H. Syrian Patriarchies have great importance as many
are waiting to finalize their decision after H.H,'s visit. The
ball is in the hands of H.H. Patriarchies and if H.H. gives a good
direction to the Patriarchies fraction that may help for a good
future otherwise it will be a tragedy.
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
--- In MORM@..., Sabu Thomas <frchorattil@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Brothers,
>
> Recently we all probably have been reading the news about the new
mission of Mor Melitius at Burbank, California. StAperm Syriac
Orthodox Church is a church with a membership of more than a
thousand families. Only few families at the church support
fr.Tarzi.Many people around here are saying that Fr. Tarzi who is
running a liquor shop and if it is true you can all understand the
decency and morality of a clergy who runs a liquor shop. Yesterday,
Melitius ordained him as a Cor-episcopa. Only 25 families are with
Fr. Tarsi.
>
> A friend of mine is very familiar with the recent developments at
Burbank Church and also knows of Fr. Tarzi's group. He is also
watching the development in the Malankara Church and gave a report
to me as follows.
>
>
> "The group that split from the Church in Burbank, California,
has created a difficult situation for themselves. The former priest
(Joseph Tarzi abandoned his priesthood) and his inner circle have
been at odds with anyone who threatened his position as boss of the
entire Los Angeles area since he was installed. When the North
American diocese was split into three (Western USA, Eastern USA, and
Canada), Los Angeles was the natural location for the seat of a new
bishop. The presence of an archbishop placed the then Fr. Tarzi as
less than the ultimate boss for Los Angeles area, and thus started
the rift between Tarzi and his inner circle, and the canons of the
Church.
>
> Joseph Tarzi is notorious for being unable to get along with
other clerics in the area, seeing them as a threat to his
own "ministry". Let us remember, he was the sole priest for one
church comprised of over 800 families. With a community of this
size, spread out over a radius of over 60 miles (100 kilometers),
other churches were (and still are) needed. At the very least, new
priests were necessary. Bringing in an archbishop and more priests
proved to be a major threat to Mr. Tarzi.
>
> In order to appease Tarzi, the archbishop made him an archpriest
(not a chorepiscopa). It was not enough for Tarzi and his inner
circle, as they began a series of legal attacks to remove the
archbishop from his seat. Naturally, they lost in court, wasting
thousands of dollars that could have been spent on holy endeavors
rather than indulging in egotistical quarrels.
>
> Today, Tarzis community is quite small compared to the numbers
they boast. A brief look at the photos from Yuhannon Meletius'
visit will reveal less than 100 (including children and the
elderly). What's more, is that this small community is being lied
to by both the former priest and bishop. The community is being
told that Meletius has nothing to do with the Indian Orthodox
Church, and purely represents the Syriac Orthodox Church in India;
they are also told that they are not under any jurisdiction at all,
but that Tarzi is completely independent, yet holding fast to all
the canons of the Syriac Orthodox Church.
>
> What we see are two desperate men, taking advantage of a
community of people: some of whom are helping Tarzi manipulate,
while others are being manipulated. Tarzi has taught them to hate,
and it is based on this hate that these people obey Tarzi. Most who
were originally with him have seen through this charade, but still
his inner circle remains.
>
> Now the question turns to how desperate is Yuhannon Melitius?
Perhaps it is because he is unable to gather any sort of following
in India, that he has to expand the borders of Thrisur all the way
to California. "
>
> Fr Kuriakose. Chorattil
> Los angles
> California
>
>
>
>
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Recently we all probably have been reading the news about the new mission of Mor Melitius at Burbank, California. StAperm Syriac Orthodox Church is a church with a membership of more than a thousand families. Only few families at the church support fr.Tarzi.Many people around here are saying that Fr. Tarzi who is running a liquor shop and if it is true you can all understand the decency and morality of a clergy who runs a liquor shop. Yesterday, Melitius ordained him as a Cor-episcopa. Only 25 families are with Fr. Tarsi.
A friend of mine is very familiar with the recent developments at Burbank Church and also knows of Fr. Tarzi's group. He is also watching the development in the Malankara Church and gave a report to me as follows.
"The group that split from the Church in Burbank, California, has created a difficult
situation for themselves.The former priest (Joseph Tarzi abandoned his priesthood) and his inner circle have been at odds with anyone who threatened his position as boss of the entire Los Angeles area since he was installed. When the North American diocese was split into three (Western USA, Eastern USA, and Canada), Los Angeles was the natural location for the seat of a new bishop.The presence of an archbishop placed the then Fr. Tarzi as less than the ultimate boss for Los Angeles area, and thus started the rift between Tarzi and his inner circle, and the canons of the Church.
Joseph Tarzi is notorious for being unable to get along with other clerics in the area, seeing them as a threat to his own "ministry".Let us remember, he was the sole priest for one church comprised of over 800
families.With a community of this size, spread out over a radius of over 60 miles (100 kilometers), other churches were (and still are) needed.At the very least, new priests were necessary.Bringing in an archbishop and more priests proved to be a major threat to Mr. Tarzi.
In order to appease Tarzi, the archbishop made him an archpriest (not a chorepiscopa).It was not enough for Tarzi and his inner circle, as they began a series of legal attacks to remove the archbishop from his seat.Naturally, they lost in court, wasting thousands of dollars that could have been spent on holy endeavors rather than indulging in egotistical quarrels.
Today, Tarzis community is quite small
compared to the numbers they boast.A brief look at the photos from Yuhannon Meletius' visit will reveal less than 100 (including children and the elderly). What's more, is that this small community is being lied to by both the former priest and bishop.The community is being told that Meletius has nothing to do with the Indian Orthodox Church, and purely represents the Syriac Orthodox Church in India; they are also told that they are not under any jurisdiction at all, but that Tarzi is completely independent, yet holding fast to all the canons of the Syriac Orthodox Church.
What we see are two desperate men, taking advantage of a community of people: some of whom are helping Tarzi manipulate, while others are being manipulated.Tarzi has taught them to hate, and it is based on this hate that these
people obey Tarzi.Most who were originally with him have seen through this charade, but still his inner circle remains.
Now the question turns to how desperate is Yuhannon Melitius?Perhaps it is because he is unable to gather any sort of following in India, that he has to expand the borders of Thrisur all the way to California. "
H.G. Youhanon Mar Militios of Trichur Diocese of our MOSC mentioned
these words in one of H.G.'
"Sunday the 7th of Jan. 2007 has been a memorable and historic day
in my life. On
this day I inaugurated a new mission centre of the diocese of
Thrissur in
Burbank, California, USA. I have been working towards this day for
few years
now."
And His Grace mentioned in the 2nd message that H.G. is ready to
explain all the doubts in this regards.
One of the Syriac Orthodox Churches of the Syrians in CA separated
from the Patriarchis because of the misappropriate handling or
stealing of their fund by a priest of that Church and the
Patriarchis of Syria protected him. That made the Syriac Church to
split away from the Syriac Church and conducted a dialog with our
Bishop H.G> Mar Militios. Mar Militios arrived in CA , USA and
conducted the "Deneha" Service in that Church and they accepted our
Catholicos as their catholicos and Mar Militios as their Diocesan
Metropolitan.
H.G. Mar Militios ordinated 12 females of that Church
as "Msamronito" (Deaconess) as the syriac tradition needs their
Church choir to be ordinated as so. And Mar Militios ordinated 12
deacons also from the same Church to assist the Holy Service of the
Church, which is also the tradition of the Syriac Church. The
presence of 12 deacons For the service is a tradition of Coptic,
syriac, Russian and even our church, but we are not following that
because may be the scarcity of deacons in our Church. Mar Militios
Thirumeny mentioned that church as a mission center but the church
clearly mentioned that they are an independent Church in their
constitution.
When I read this message and the information that I have received
about the above church, it confused me to believe it as a mission
center. It is clearly understood that it is a Parish with a vicar
and its own constitution.
It is good to know that groups of Syrian Orthodox members have
joined with us as a Parish. I hope that is what happened in Burbank
CA. If they accepted H.H. Mar Didimos I as the catholicos and H.G.
Mar Militios as their Diocesan Bishop then that parish is declaring
that they are with MOSC. It is good to hear that we have one more
parish in America and the initiative that taken by H.G. Mar Militios
is highly appreciable.
But I cannot understand the procedures and policies in that activity
as the parish of that group of people are in America. The Parishes
of the MOSC in America is under the geographical area of the
American diocese of the MOSC and the American diocese have 2
designated Bishops. Then how H.G. Mar Militios can be the diocesan
Bishop of the said syriac Parish? How can be a Bishop of the MOSC
can be the diocesan bishop of a church that is in the geographical
area of another diocese? Is the ordination of the 12 females and 12
males as deaconess and deacons are with the knowledge of the Bishops
of the American diocese and Our H.H. Catholicos?
Did this subject discussed in the last Holy Synod? If so what was
the output about this subject?
It will be highly appreciable if Thirumeny can explain the act of
ordination of females as
"Msamronito" is according to the principles and constitution of the
MOSC? Can a Bishop of the MOSC ordinate anyone that title is not
instituted by the MOSC?
Is all these activities are known to H.G. Mathews Mar Barnabas and
H.G. Zachariahs Mar Nicholovos? I am writing this just to know the
policies and procedures of our Church.
Charly V. Padanilam, Houston, TX.
Archdiocese for Knanaya community - Mor Sevarios elevated as
Archbishop
KOTTAYAM: Mor Sevarios Kuriakose, Metropolitan and head of the
Malankara Syrian Knanaya diocese, has been elevated as Archbishop
and Chief Metropolitan by the Patriarch of Antioch. Making the
official declaration, the new Archbishop told mediapersons at the
church headquarters at Chingavanom near here on Saturday that the
diocese had been elevated as archdiocese.
The small but closely knit Knanaya community, believed to be the
descendants of Syrian settlers who arrived on the Malabar coast in
345 AD, is spread over the Catholic and Syrian rites. The new
Archbishop-Chief Metropolitan of the Archdiocese would have
`immediate, universal jurisdiction' over the entire Syrian Knanaya
community whose supreme head is the Patriarch of Antioch.
This is for the first time that an Archbishop is being consecrated
in the Syrian Church here. According to Mor Sevarios, the growth of
the 96-year-old diocese during the past decades, the spread of its
members all over the world, the strong ecumenical relations the
Church has established with sister Churches and the work it has done
in the area of charity were taken into account while bestowing the
new position by Antioch. With the elevation, Mor Sevarius has
emerged as the de facto number two in the Jacobite Syrian Christian
Church after Catholicos Baselius Thomas I.
The archdiocese would get a new auxiliary bishop soon. Auxiliary
bishop-elect Fr. C.T. Kurian will be consecrated in Damascus by the
Patriarch on February 2, the new Archbishop said.
Source: http://www.hindu.com/2007/01/14/stories/2007011409380500.htm
Latest news from Mangalam daily (13/01/07) is that Syrian Patriarch Postponed his visit. Instead of him Thomas 1 is going to lead the celebarations at Manjinikkara. Also Thomas 1 will be honored as Yaccob Burdhana by Joseph Mar Gregorious in the meeting.
shlomo/barekh'mor...
dear Mr Mani,
Ignatius is Patriarch of Antioch and not patriarch of Syrian Arab
Republic
George T.
Kuwait
--- In MORM@..., SARUN MANI <sarunmaani@...> wrote:
>
> Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
>
> Dear George..
> I have a basic doubt... Hope, you will clear it!!! Who is
the "IGNATIUS" in IOC's first THUBDEN???? If its not HH Patriarch of
Antioch,then WHO??
>
> In HIS Love..
> Sarun Mani
> Karnataka
>
>
>
> george_cthomas <george_cthomas@...> wrote:
> dear Mani
>
> for your information Patrirarch of Anthioch and even the place
Antioch
> dont exist in this world anymore.
> Zakk Iwas is the patrirarch of syrian orthodox church and his
territory
> is confined to the syrian arab republic.According to Orthodox
tradition
> he is not supposed to poke his nose into the internal matters of
> another national Orthodox church.If he tries to do so then he will
be
> expelled from the synod of Orthodox churches.
> Unfortunately syrian patriarch is still interfering in the internal
> matters of the Catholicosate of the East which hopefully will end
after
> the implementation of forthcomming supreme court of India's verdict.
>
> Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
>
> George T.
>
> Kuwait
>
> --- In MORM@..., "sarunmaani" <sarunmaani@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear George..
> >
> > Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
> >
> > Why does His Holiness require NOC from Catholicose??
> > According to IOC, they dont have any canonical Patriarch right
now..
> > Someone is even telling that they dont know who is the present
> > Patriarch of Antioch!!!!
> > Still HH needs NOC from IOC HBCatholicose??!!! Great!!!
> >
> > In HIS Love..
> > Sarun Mani
> > Karnataka
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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faith marketing by any religious group because such
efforts discredit India's tradition of respecting all
religious thought and also runs counter to the true
spirit in which the Constitution grants people the
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We are Christians. Some of us were born into
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I have a basic doubt... Hope, you will clear it!!! Who is the "IGNATIUS" in IOC's first THUBDEN???? If its not HH Patriarch of Antioch,then WHO??
In HIS Love..
Sarun Mani
Karnataka
george_cthomas <george_cthomas@...> wrote:
dear Mani
for your information Patrirarch of Anthioch and even the place Antioch dont exist in this world
anymore. Zakk Iwas is the patrirarch of syrian orthodox church and his territory is confined to the syrian arab republic.According to Orthodox tradition he is not supposed to poke his nose into the internal matters of another national Orthodox church.If he tries to do so then he will be expelled from the synod of Orthodox churches. Unfortunately syrian patriarch is still interfering in the internal matters of the Catholicosate of the East which hopefully will end after the implementation of forthcomming supreme court of India's verdict.
Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
George T.
Kuwait
--- In MORM@yahoogroups.co.in, "sarunmaani" <sarunmaani@...> wrote: > > Dear George.. > > Shlomo/Barekh'mor.. > > Why does His Holiness require NOC from Catholicose?? > According to IOC, they dont have any canonical Patriarch
right now.. > Someone is even telling that they dont know who is the present > Patriarch of Antioch!!!! > Still HH needs NOC from IOC HBCatholicose??!!! Great!!! > > In HIS Love.. > Sarun Mani > Karnataka >
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Further to the mail Mr. Binu in Digest No: 171., Jacobite faction has decided to ordain some more Bishops.
Three for Ankamaly Dioc. and again three for out side Kerala. If Kozhippurathu Ramban has been ordained as a Bishop then anybody else
can also become a bishop. So very soon there will be a one to one relationship between church and bishops. All most all unmarried preists in Jacobite faction can rush to Puthen Cruiz with appropriate Kaimuth.
The main plus point is that no need to go to Damascus. There HH Zakka bawa is also bussy with ordaining bishops and giving Captain,Chevelior positions to Almayar. Recently Zakka bawa ordained a Bishop for UK for 200 members. If you count the numbers in some other diocesse and if you are unmarried then you will also get a temptation.
My request to Jacobite faction is that please dont forget Thengum Tharayil Geevarghese Ramban. He moved to Jacobite side with 15 supporters after his defeat as Bishop candidate in the Malankara Association. At that time he was just a 'ACHEN'.Recently HH Thomas Bawa ordained him as Ramban. So pls consider him also. Because in near future all most all unmarried preists will become bishops and our Thengumtharayil Rambachan may fell lonelinnes.
The visit of Syrian Patriarch for attending Maramon Convention on the invitation of Marthoma Church neednot be objected by anyone.But History of H.H.Zacha I last visit to Kerala makes one suspect that the visit maynot be as innocent as it is being made out to be.One can be reasonably sure that H.H. will enter some of the Churches which are occupied by the so called Jacobite Church in Kerala and create Law and order problems.Last time when H.H.came on a visa claiming the purpose of vist as Medical treatment,but what was actually done was everything other than any thing that may be remotely connected to medical treatment! Therefore one neednot attach much importance to the stated purpose of the visit.What is of interest should be the hidden ajenda.
Hoodaya Canon has specific provision that Catholicose and Patriarch should visit each others territories under invitation fro the other.Of course Patriarch have observed this more in breach than in compliance.
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Question: How Many Types of Heavenly Beings Are Mentioned in the
Bible?
Answer: Nine
The Old Testament Mentions Only Three:
1.) Angels — There are 117 references across 17 books
(In the New Testament there are 176 references to angels, spread
across 17 books)
2.) Seraphs — Two references (Isaiah 6:2 & 6)
3.) Cherubims. There are numerous references in the Old Testament
but most of them pertain to the two golden cherubims placed atop the
Ark of the Covenant and the two others made of olive wood which
stood with the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies of the
first Jerusalem temple. But descriptions of the cherubim as the
celestial winged beings appear in Ezekiel (31 instances). Genesis
3:24 has a reference with the same flavour. So does Psalms 18: 10
and 2 Samuel 22: 11.
The New Testament mentions the cherubims by name only once (Hebrew
9:5). But this is a description of the golden cherubims placed atop
the Ark of the Covenant (on the mercyseat). The Revelation doesn't
mention the cherubims by name, but the descriptions given in chapter
4 of the heavenly beings seem to be about them. They differ with the
ones described by Ezekiel only in the number of wings. (six vs. four
in Ezekiel)
The Old Testament also mentions a fourth group known as watchers or
sentries (erelim/erenmar in Syriac and Malayalam). See Daniel (4:13-
23).
But they are not included in the nine types listed out by the 5th
century CE church father Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite in his
work `On the Celestial Hierarchy'. Despite the initial lack of
consensus on this list, it gained an air of finality once it was
accepted by Thomas Aquinas and included in his Summa Theologica in
the 13th century.
The remaining six types of heavenly beings are mentioned exclusively
by name only in the New Testament
4.) Archangels (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and Jude (1:9)
5.) Thrones (Colossians Chapter 1: 16)
6.) Dominions (Colossians Chapter 1: 16; Ephesians 1:21)
7.) Principalities (Colossians Chapter 1: 16, 2:15; Romans 8: 38;
Ephesians 1:21, 3:10, 6:12)
8.) Powers (Colossians Chapter 1: 16; 2:15; Romans 8: 38; Ephesians
1:21, 3:10, 6:12)
9.) Virtues (also known as Might) (Ephesians 1:21)
In the Old Testament, the references to the captain of the LORD's
host in Joshua (5:14-15) are regarded by our encyclopaedia as well
as Biblical scholars as pointers to an archangel. Additionally, a
work by name 2 Esdras mentions Uriel the archangel in 4:36. But this
work is considered apocryphal.
Also in the Old Testament, the flavour of a Principality seems to be
given in Isaiah (63:9), described here as ``the angel of his
presence''. In addition, some writers think Ezekiel is referring to
Thrones in his description beginning 1:15.
Despite these allusions, Archangels, Principalities and Thrones are
not mentioned explicitly by name in the Old Testament.
The Peshitta Steps In Where Other Bibles Falter
This description will not be complete if I fail to mention that if
one were to depend on the traditional Bibles, the reader would get
no sense of St Paul's delineation of five heavenly beings — Thrones,
Dominions, Principalities, Powers, and Virtues.
I haven't examined many versions of popular Protestant Bibles, but
the `Family Devotional Study Bible' in my possession turned out to
be completely inadequate for the task. The same Principality, for
example, is referred to as Ruler, Authority, and Demon in three
places. Not only is there no consistency, but the impression one
garners is also that of generalised statements about earthly powers,
and not about specific heavenly beings.
The King James Bible and the Bible Society of India's Malayalam
Bible, admirable as they are, have many limitations on this front.
Only a very careful reading of all the passages will reveal the
truth to the reader.
But since our encyclopaedia gives the Syriac names of all the
heavenly beings, I verified the same in the Malayalam Peshitta
(Vishudda Grantham) by Syriac scholar extraordinaire Rev Dr Curian
Corepiscopa Kaniamparampil, a copy of which was lovingly supplied to
me by Very Rev. Kuriakose Moolayil Corepiscopa (Moolelachen is now
very angry with me!).
Kaniamparampil achen has used the Syriac names of the heavenly
beings in both Ephesians 1:21 and Colossians 1:16. But in Ephesians
3:10 and 6:12, he uses the Malayalam words as used in the BSI Bible.
In Colossians 2:15 and Romans 8:38, however, not only does he use
Malayalam words, but he seems to have also used a different word and
done some re-ordering. Hope these instances will be looked into in a
later edition.
The Syriac Names of The Heavenly Beings And Their Arrangement
First things first. The Bible says there are thousands upon
thousands of angels. (Daniel 7:10, Revelation 5:11). Legions is the
word used in Matthew 26:53.
Our encyclopaedia says that the angels are arranged in three orders,
each containing three rows. There are thus nine choirs or three
triads of angels. This arrangement of triads has its origins in
Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite's teaching that all that exists —
the form of Christian society, the stages of prayer, and the angelic
world — is structured as triads that are the images of the eternal
Trinity. Let's first list out the Pseudo-Dionysius-Thomas Aquinas
choral arrangement in the descending order of hierarchy:
1. Seraphim
2. Cherubim
3. Thrones
4. Dominations (sometimes translated as Dominions)
5. Virtues
6. Powers
7. Principalities
8. Archangels
9. Angels
Please note that while many mistake the archangels as belonging to
the highest order, in reality they are placed only just above the
angels. The seraphim, witnessed by prophet Isaiah, constitute the
highest order.
The Sabha encyclopaedia gives a slightly different order from that
of Pseduo-Dionysisus-Thomas Aquinas. The Syriac names* are given in
brackets:
1.) Seraphs — Sropen
2.) Cherubs — Kruben
3.) Virtues — Hylavosen
4.) Dominions— Moravosen
5.) Thrones — Mouthuben
6.) Powers —Shulthonen
7.) Principalities — Reesheenuvosen (Arkavosar)
8.) Archangels — Reeshmalaki
9.) Angels — Malaki
Arkavosar is the name used by Kaniamparampil achen. The
corresponding term in our encyclopaedia is Reesheenuvosen. This
needs clarification by some Syriac scholar.
The Heavenly Beings In The Holy Mysteries
The West Syrian or St James liturgy, unmatched perhaps anywhere else
in Christendom for its sublime spirit, is the greatest gift bestowed
on our church by the Syriac Church of Antioch. Since our Holy
Qurbano is completely rooted in the Bible, it would thus surprise
none to find that the names of all the nine heavenly beings are
uttered by the celebrant during the course of the worship. This
happens when the priest delivers the tersanctus (thrice holy)
prayer, shortly after the sursum corda (lift up your hearts).
I will now provide a transcript of this prayer, as given in the sor
website:
>>The celebrant, with his hands outstretched, says aloud:
He Whom the heavenly hosts, corporeal and incorporeal, glorify; the
sun, the moon and all the stars; the earth, the seas and the first-
born inscribed in the heavenly Jerusalem; angels and archangels,
celestial virtues, principalities, thrones, dominions, powers, the
many-eyed cherubim and the six-winged seraphim who, covering their
faces and feet, fly to one another, chanting thrice holy, crying and
saying: Holy.
People: Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty; heaven and earth are
full of His glories. Hosanna in the highest. Blessed is He Who came
and will come in the Name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest.<<
The Malayalam version of this prayer begins with the
words ``malakhamarum, reeshenmalakhamarum…''
This prayer constitutes some of the most solemn and awesome moments
during the celebration of the Holy Qurbano. Many people miss the
details. Moral of the story: Train yourself to pay close attention
to what is being said by the celebrant during the Holy Qurbano.
(Based on the 1995 edition of the Malankara Orthodox Church
Encyclopaedia — Malayalam, entries on Malakha and Malakhavrindam.
Pages 664-665. Additional research by the author)
Georgy S Thomas
Bangalore
PS
This has turned out to be very long. Let's hope it would be of use
to someone, somewhere.
Notes
* For the Syriac names of the heavenly beings, I've just used
English spellings of my choice. Readers should cross-check with some
authentic source before adopting the same.
to be continued...
The visit of Syrian Patriarch for attending Maramon Convention on the invitation of Marthoma Church neednot be objected by anyone.But History of H.H.Zacha I last visit to Kerala makes one suspect that the visit maynot be as innocent as it is being made out to be.One can be reasonably sure that H.H. will enter some of the Churches which are occupied by the so called Jacobite Church in Kerala and create Law and order problems.Last time when H.H.came on a visa claiming the purpose of vist as Medical treatment,but what was actually done was everything other than any thing that may be remotely connected to medical treatment! Therefore one neednot attach much importance to the stated purpose of the visit.What is of interest should be the hidden ajenda.
Hoodaya Canon has specific provision that Catholicose and Patriarch should visit each others territories under invitation fro the other.Of course Patriarch have observed
this more in breach than in compliance.
Thomas Chandy
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Miraculous Flow of Oil from the Icon
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Posted By
Thomas Daniel (Reji)
St. George Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Cheppaud
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Dear Binu,
The Jacobite Church can ordain double the number of IO Church
bishops based on the number of laity per bishop analysis.
Please work and pray for the well being of the IO Church. Let
Jacobites ordain the bishops they want.
Regards,
Saju Paulose
New York
--- In MORM@..., Binu N Lukose <binunlukose72@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Why this Jacobite church ordaining bishops in weekly basis? Is
there is a plan to degrade the dignity of bishops? Now there is a
news that they ordain bishops each metros and cities like
Trivandrum and Calicut?
>
> Regards
>
> BIJU
>
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--- In MORM@..., Philip Oommen <philipoommen@...> wrote:
>
Philip,
Either way, Portugese or English, the Indian Orthodox Church was split
into factions.
The true tragedy of the Portugese invasion was the burning of Orthodox
books and artifacts relating to Church history and worship. What a crime!
Douglas Brandow
> Dear Geroge Easaw sir,
>
If Portugeses had not come to India, All Indian Population would
have been Christianised by Britain. India would have been far better.
Many missionaries/evangelsits would have come and provided Biblical
education
>
> Sincerely
> Philip
> ID 939
>
> George Easaw <geasaw@...> wrote:
> What would have been the Indian scenario if the Portuguese
had not
> come to India, or more specifically, Vasco De Gama had landed
> elsewhere than in to Cheppad ..
>
> I have always wondered whether we would have had any form of Catholic
> faith in India, whether we would have had the synod of Diamper or the
> Coonen Kurissu satyam ..
>
> Would it have avoided further splits to form the Malankara rite (
> Malankara Syrian Catholics) ?
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> George Easaw
>
> Professor,
> Dept. of Mech Engg.,
> MBC College of Engg. Kuttikanam,
> Peermade, Idukki, Kerala. 685 531 INDIA.
>
>
>
>
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Why this Jacobite church ordaining bishops in weekly basis? Is there is a plan to degrade the dignity of bishops? Now there is a news that they ordain bishops each metros and cities like Trivandrum and Calicut?
Regards
BIJU
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dear Pastor Philip Oomen
british came to india and they proselytised indian christians instead
of converting non christians.british came to India to loot the
wealth of India and not to spread the gospel or to baptise India.
George T.
Kuwait
--- In MORM@..., Philip Oommen <philipoommen@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Geroge Easaw sir,
> If Portugeses had not come to India, All Indian Population would
have been Christianised by Britain. India would have been far better.
Many missionaries/evangelsits would have come and provided Biblical
education
>
> Sincerely
> Philip
> ID 939
>
> George Easaw <geasaw@...> wrote:
> What would have been the Indian scenario if the
Portuguese had not
> come to India, or more specifically, Vasco De Gama had landed
> elsewhere than in to Cheppad ..
>
> I have always wondered whether we would have had any form of
Catholic
> faith in India, whether we would have had the synod of Diamper or
the
> Coonen Kurissu satyam ..
>
> Would it have avoided further splits to form the Malankara rite (
> Malankara Syrian Catholics) ?
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> George Easaw
>
> Professor,
> Dept. of Mech Engg.,
> MBC College of Engg. Kuttikanam,
> Peermade, Idukki, Kerala. 685 531 INDIA.
>
>
>
>
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dear Mani
for your information Patrirarch of Anthioch and even the place Antioch
dont exist in this world anymore.
Zakk Iwas is the patrirarch of syrian orthodox church and his territory
is confined to the syrian arab republic.According to Orthodox tradition
he is not supposed to poke his nose into the internal matters of
another national Orthodox church.If he tries to do so then he will be
expelled from the synod of Orthodox churches.
Unfortunately syrian patriarch is still interfering in the internal
matters of the Catholicosate of the East which hopefully will end after
the implementation of forthcomming supreme court of India's verdict.
Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
George T.
Kuwait
--- In MORM@..., "sarunmaani" <sarunmaani@...> wrote:
>
> Dear George..
>
> Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
>
> Why does His Holiness require NOC from Catholicose??
> According to IOC, they dont have any canonical Patriarch right now..
> Someone is even telling that they dont know who is the present
> Patriarch of Antioch!!!!
> Still HH needs NOC from IOC HBCatholicose??!!! Great!!!
>
> In HIS Love..
> Sarun Mani
> Karnataka
>
If Portugeses had not come to India, All Indian Population would have been Christianised by Britain. India would have been far better. Many missionaries/evangelsits would have come and provided Biblical education
Sincerely
Philip
ID 939
George Easaw <geasaw@...> wrote:
What would have been the Indian scenario if the Portuguese had not come to India, or more specifically, Vasco De Gama had
landed elsewhere than in to Cheppad ..
I have always wondered whether we would have had any form of Catholic faith in India, whether we would have had the synod of Diamper or the Coonen Kurissu satyam ..
Would it have avoided further splits to form the Malankara rite ( Malankara Syrian Catholics) ?
-- Kind regards,
George Easaw
Professor, Dept. of Mech Engg., MBC College of Engg. Kuttikanam, Peermade, Idukki, Kerala. 685 531 INDIA.
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Dear George..
Shlomo/Barekh'mor..
Why does His Holiness require NOC from Catholicose??
According to IOC, they dont have any canonical Patriarch right now..
Someone is even telling that they dont know who is the present
Patriarch of Antioch!!!!
Still HH needs NOC from IOC HBCatholicose??!!! Great!!!
In HIS Love..
Sarun Mani
Karnataka
Its good that Present Bava Thirumeni visits Maramon. 100 years ago that time Bava Thirumeni cursed Marthomite as infidels and present Bava goes to them faithful. This is the work of Holy Spirit.
Sincerely
Philip
george_cthomas <george_cthomas@...> wrote:
DEAR ALL,
I heard that syrian patriarch is going to inagurate the ecumenical meeing of maramon convention. can anybody please tell me
1) does'nt he require a NOC from HH
Catholicose of the East. 2)Is our Bawa Thirumeni going to attend the ecumenical meeting.
George T.
Kuwait
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Vignettes From The Sabha Vijnanakosham
Test Your Orthodox Quotient: Answers
1.)What is the minimum height of the crossier carried by a bishop
(epsicopa/metropolitan) of our church?
Ans: 4.5 feet.
(source: entry on `Amshavadi' Page 1)
2.)The New Testament mentions how many individuals by the name
Ananias?
Ans: 3. A.) Acts (23:2-5 & 24:1) mentions about Ananias the high
priest. B.) Acts (5:1-11) speaks about Ananias the husband of
Sapphira. C.) Acts (9:10-17 & 22: 12) speaks about the Ananias of
Damascus who was instrumental in St Paul recovering his lost
eyesight.
(From the entry on Ananias. Page 20)
3.)How many anaphoras are there in the Syriac Church?
Ans: The encyclopaedia lists 80, but acknowledges that since many
manuscripts mention the same anaphoras under different names, an
accurate listing has been rendered difficult.
(Entry on Anaphoras. Page 22)
4.)When did the Nicene Creed become part of the liturgy of the Roman
Catholic Church?
Ans: 1014 CE during the time of Pope Benedict VII.
(entry on Nicene Creed. Page 432)
5.)Who first instituted the tradition of using the Nicene Creed in
the liturgy?
Ans: Patriarch Peter the Fuller of Antioch in 473 CE.
(entry on Nicene Creed. Page 432)
6.)What is the meaning of the words `pattangapetta daivam
thampurane'…as in the prayer which begins with the same words.
Ans: Truthful Lord God. Pattanga is an archaic Malayalam word which
means the truth. This word is not in currency now.
(entry on `Pattangapetta'. Page 450)
7.)Name the father of the apostle St. Peter?
Ans: Jonah (from Matthew 16:17).
(source entry on Apostle Peter. Page 453)
8.)What is the Malayalam word for Orthodox/Orthodoxy?
Ans: sthuthi chovvakapetta.
(entry on Orthodoxy. Page 183)
9.)How many churches attended the Mulanthuruthy Synod of 1876?
Ans: 103.
(entry on Mulanthuruthy Synod. Page 682)
10.)Where does Saint Paul talk about his epistle to the Laodiceans?
Ans: In Colossians (4:16) .
(entry on Laodicea. Page 747)
(From the 1995 edition of the Malankara Orthodox Church
Encyclopaedia — Malayalam)
to be continued...
What would have been the Indian scenario if the Portuguese had not
come to India, or more specifically, Vasco De Gama had landed
elsewhere than in to Cheppad ..
I have always wondered whether we would have had any form of Catholic
faith in India, whether we would have had the synod of Diamper or the
Coonen Kurissu satyam ..
Would it have avoided further splits to form the Malankara rite (
Malankara Syrian Catholics) ?
--
Kind regards,
George Easaw
Professor,
Dept. of Mech Engg.,
MBC College of Engg. Kuttikanam,
Peermade, Idukki, Kerala. 685 531 INDIA.
DEAR ALL,
I heard that syrian patriarch is going to inagurate the ecumenical
meeing of maramon convention.
can anybody please tell me
1) does'nt he require a NOC from HH Catholicose of the East.
2)Is our Bawa Thirumeni going to attend the ecumenical meeting.
George T.
Kuwait
Friends,
Season's greetings to all MORM members and moderators. This is the
first of an occasional series based on the entries from our Sabha
Vijnanakosham. I will be sharing most of it with ICON as well, but
there will be something extra for MORM readers since I've so far not
made any original postings here. Let's start with a quiz. Send in
your answers to the forum. I will post the answers by the weekend.
Test Your Orthodox Quotient
1.)What is the minimum height of the crossier carried by a
bishop (epsicopa/metropolitan) of our church?
2.)The New Testament mentions how many individuals by the name
Ananias?
3.)How many anaphoras are there in the Syriac Church?
4.)When did the Nicene Creed become part of the liturgy of the
Roman Catholic Church?
5.)Who first instituted the tradition of using the Nicene Creed
in the liturgy?
6.)What is the meaning of the words `pattangapetta daivam
thampurane'…as in the prayer which begins with the same words.
7.)Name the father of the apostle St. Peter?
8.)What is the Malayalam word for Orthodox/Orthodoxy?
9.)How many churches attended the Mulanthuruthy Synod of 1876?
10.)Where does Saint Paul talk about his epistle to the
Laodiceans?
Answers to follow.
Faithfully
Georgy S Thomas
Bangalore
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New Metropolitan for Jacobite Syrian Church
Indian Express - Saturday December 30 2006 11:38 IST
KOCHI: The Jacobite Syrian Church gets a new Metropolitan with the
consecration of Kozhiparambath Elias Ramban as metropolitan on New
Year Day. The ceremony will be held at Puthencruz Patriarch
Cathedral which is the headquarters of the Church.
The order from Antioch appointing the new Metropolitan will be read
out at the churches on Sunday. The new Metropolitan will be the
secretary and assistant to the Sreshta Catholica Bava.
Kuriakose Mar Theophilos, Metropolitan of UAE and Europe, announced
at a news conference here that financial aid for the marriage of 60
poor girls will be distributed after the consecration ceremony at
Puthencruz on January 1. Sewing machines will be distributed to 50
women.
The financial aid for the weddings and sewing machines comes from
the members of St Mary's Sunoro Church, Sharjah. Another project for
the distribution of 150 artificial limbs by Dubai Cathedral is on
the anvil, said the Metropolitan.
Mathews Mor Ivanios, president of the Malankara Youth Association,
said that the association had constructed 200 houses for the poor
across the state. The Shresta Catholica Bava will soon announce the
Metropolitan of Kozhikode diocese, said Mathews Mor Aphrem,
Metropolitan of High Range. Spokesperson of the church Fr Varghese
Kallappara, Fr Aby Elangamattom and Chev John Punnamattom also
attended the press conference.
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?
ID=IEX20061230011712&Page=X&Title=Kochi\&Topic=0&
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