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A reporter asked Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1894 if he had been influenced by the
work of Edgar Allen Poe. The creator of Sherlock Holmes replied, “Oh,
immensely! His detective is the best detective in fiction.” The reporter asked
if that assessment included Sherlock Holmes. “I make no exception…,” Conan
Doyle declared. “Dupin is unrivalled.”

Perhaps Holmes calling Dupin an "inferior fellow" was only a way to make it
clear to his readers that his creation was only inspired by Dupin, not an
Anglicized double. Like all authors, Conan Doyle was proud of what he created
and wanted his originality acknowledged.

Holmes also looked down upon the French criminal-turned-detective Lecoq. Both
Lecoq and and Dupin are French and are inspired from the real life detective
Eugène François Vidocq. Most likely Conan Doyle was well aware of Vidocq’s
renown, but whether his inspiration for Holmes came second-hand from Poe and
Gaboriau (creator of Lecoq) or directly from Vidocq’s Mémoires as well as other
writings about him, there is no question that Sherlock Holmes’s lineage
stretches back to Vidocq.

And yes, Sridhar, that poem really is cheesy. It seems that ACD was hell-bent on
proving to everybody that he did not hold the same opinions as Holmes about the
matter. I mean a poem...? And I agree when you said that it was a good thing he
never decided to be a poet. Not all geniuses can be good writers, poets and
illustrators all at once. Tolkien, however, would always be an exception.

Manraviel


rishiiyengar <no_reply@...> wrote:sridhar C <cs_gollum@y...>
wrote:

> Holmes doesn't seem to have much respect for "the Granddaddy of
detective fiction's" sleuth, Auguste Dupin, though. :)

Yup. In fact, the whole *point* of Holmes' little demonstration was
to prove that Dupin's lil' trick of reading minds was no big deal.
That "inferior fellow"!

ACD himself always admired Dupin, though. In fact, he composed a
little doggerel about Holmes' conceit:

Pray master this, my esteemed commentator,
That the created is not the creator,
Just grasp this fact with your cerebral tentacle,
That the doll and its maker are never identical.

Good thing ACD never decided to make a career in poetry.:-) "Cerebral
tentacle"? Sounds like a cranial projection of the Watcher in the
Deeps of Moria.



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A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall be blade that was broken
The crownless again shall be king"
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Hi, It has been interesting to see a few messages on our anniversary by the usual suspects . Welcome to the new entrants, Sridhar, hope to hear from you on the...
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Hi, Satyajit Ray says there are only about 56 (or some such) basic plots that all writers of detective fiction play around with. Two of his adventures, The...
sridhar C
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Jun 7, 2004
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... latter?!! Many, many stories in the Canon begin with an observation of conditions/ a person outside. Recall that in a Study in Scarlet, Holmes explains his...
rishiiyengar
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Jun 7, 2004
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Hi, It's true what Rishi says about weather conditions presaging dark events. It sure does give a sort of heightened Gothic effect to the narrative. It's rare...
sridhar C
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Jun 8, 2004
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... narrative. It's called the "pathetic fallacy". It's also stormy outside in the Valley of Fear when McMurder is murdod and the Holmes & co get the news. The...
rishiiyengar
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Jun 8, 2004
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My Lancelyn Greene has a story by ACD, written for the Ediburgh University's magazine The Student. The story is called "How Watson learned the trick". It isn't...
rishiiyengar
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Jun 12, 2004
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Yes, I have read the story. It's quite amusing. I believe it was written for Queen Mary, wife of King George V. When the Queen's Doll House was created in...
manraviel
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Jun 12, 2004
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... When the Queen's Doll House was created in 1923, Actually, there are *two* stories, one called the "field Bazaar", which I was talking about, and the...
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Jun 12, 2004
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Dear all, I think Agatha Christie' s Hercule Poirot was a tribute to Holmes. What say you? sumal...
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Jun 10, 2004
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To: Mr. Sumal, Sir, No, I do not think that Agatha Christie had created her immortal sleuth as a tribute to Holmes. As far as the related documents are...
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Jun 10, 2004
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A PhD on Holmes! Fascinating. I'd be very interested if you could tell us the topic of your thesis. Was actually planning to post on ACD and spiritualism, but...
rishiiyengar
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Yes, I agree with you Pinaki when you say that Poirot is styled more on Dupin rather than Holmes. I believe their similarities go only as far as their having a...
manraviel
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Jun 10, 2004
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I'm sorry I haven't been here for a while. Seems that there's a lot going on. I don't think Poirot was a tribute to Holmes. I've always felt as if he was more...
manraviel
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Jun 10, 2004
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Re the stress on cleanliness, I feel Poirot is perfectly right in that and that's something I appreciate in him. My own room is generally a mess. I sit down,...
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Jun 11, 2004
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The Belgian, in many ways, is the complete antithesis of the Englishman. Beginning with their demeanor, their mannerisms, their methods of detection, etc.,...
sridhar C
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Jun 11, 2004
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... The breaking into thoughts funda is from Edgar Allan Poe- also explicitly mentioned in the Canon. Watson expresses an admiration for Poe's detective for...
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Holmes doesn't seem to have much respect for "the Granddaddy of detective fiction's" sleuth, Auguste Dupin, though. :) ... Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try...
sridhar C
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... detective fiction's" sleuth, Auguste Dupin, though. :) Yup. In fact, the whole *point* of Holmes' little demonstration was to prove that Dupin's lil' trick...
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A reporter asked Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1894 if he had been influenced by the work of Edgar Allen Poe. The creator of Sherlock Holmes replied, “Oh,...
manraviel
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Jun 10, 2004
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... hell-bent on proving to everybody that he did not hold the same opinions as Holmes about the matter. I mean a poem...? And I agree when you said that it...
rishiiyengar
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Jun 10, 2004
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Sorry Rishi. Got mixed up there. Oh, and yes I would like to read the poem...even if its only for the horror of it. Manraviel ... was ... Dupin....
manraviel
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Jun 10, 2004
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... horror of it. It is actually a very long poem, by a chap called Arthur Guiterman, so I'll just type up the relevant stanzas. Here goes: Holmes is your hero...
rishiiyengar
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Jun 12, 2004
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... That should read CRUDE vanity....
rishiiyengar
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Jeez. ACD should just have sent him a paragraph in retort than making attempts at writing poetry. But I did especially like this stanza by Guiterman. "This,...
manraviel
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Jun 12, 2004
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He KNEW his epic poetry. Was his specialty, in fact. My copy of Humphrey Carpenter has accounts of how beautifully he used to read extracts from the Edda....
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I just bought my Humphrey Carpenter. Have yet to read it though. My favourite poem is 'Lay of Nimrodel' by Legolas when the fellowship is just entering Lorien...
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