I agree it requires a concentration of members in one location, such as a
big city.  Maybe there are annual festivals where such a musical could be
undertaken by the Society in India, like an 'Off-Broadway' production!
India has an immense musical tradition and it would be extremely
interesting, possibly picked up by 'Bollywood'!

With best wishes.

Tim


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Dear Tim,
  Do you think we can mount a musical like that , given the fact that we
are situated all across India?
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Dear Sumal

   That was a very interesting article, indeed! In fact, I often used to
fantasize (until just a few years back) of meeting up with the Great Detective,
becoming Dr. Watson, or simply even being one of the Baker Street irregulars. To
me Holmes was as real as, say Indiana Jones, but then that was probably because
I was a Harrison Ford fan :D

   Still, reading a Sherlock Holmes adventure is as satisfying as an oft-repeated
reading of the Lord of the Rings.


   Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:  Dear Sherlockians,
I want you all to read this article and send in your comments.
http://www.dnaindia.com/sunReport.asp?NewsID=1000437&CatID=23
It is very informative and interesting
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Dear Sherlockians,

   Wishing u all a very happy, prosperous, and satisfactory New Year 2006 and may
our contributions number much more than the expected 10 per month (and I mean
all of us, including myself).

   A Scandal in Bohemia, the first adventure in my collection was a trifle
disappointing when I read it the first time (I was 14 then). I'd read quite a
few others before I actually read this and I had got the feeling that the "man
must be slipping" (read growing old) ... to be outfoxed by, of all things, a
Woman?!!!

   I know better now. Maybe I've mellowed with age (LOL).

   I beg to differ though from the POV of Sumal that the Master was in love with
Irene Adler. I believe that like happens to the best of us who're experts in
some field or another, there always comes somebody who's one step ahead of us.
In such cases, one of two things can happen. One can rant and rave or one can
smile and swallow the bile of bitterness and politely congratulate the better
peer. Holmes chose the latter better option. If given a chance, he would no
doubt have wanted to have another go at this "competitor".

   I would love to know what the other members think about this.


   Sridhar
   PS: I'm not resolving anything as it is most likely that I'll break it pretty
soon. I just hope I continue contributing at least as much as expected (a volte
face, I know, but then, I'm a Libran!)

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
   Dear Sherlockians,
The "Scandal in Bohemia "is   a favorite of mine, for there is no
crime, no murder, and yet the great detective for once is bested by a
woman.
I think the nearest crime one could accuse The Woman is of possible
intention to blackmail the Crown Prince. It is also an important tale
because it reveals a less known side of Sherlock Holmes - that of a man
susceptible to lesser emotions like Love
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Dear Sherlockians,
  I want you all to read this article and send in your comments.
http://www.dnaindia.com/sunReport.asp?NewsID=1000437&CatID=23
  It is very informative and interesting
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
I think Sir Arthur  Conan Doyle was a tough disciplinarian. This
attitude was reflective of the Victorian era where a father was a Pater
familias, a figure who was to be revered and not adored.The underlying
philosophy behind the adage, " Spare the rod and spoil the child " is
precise summation of the attitude of parents towards their children.
   The public school culture of Eton, Harrow and Rugby also refect that
Victorian attitude . The entire idea behind sending Mary away might be
to make her mentally tough and not become a delicate wallflower.
  This is my personal opinion . Comments are as always welcome!
Sumal

Dear Tim,
  Do you think we can mount a musical like that , given the fact that we
are situated all across India?
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  The "Scandal in Bohemia "is   a favorite of mine, for there is no
crime, no murder, and yet the great detective for once is bested by a
woman.
  I think the nearest crime one could accuse The Woman is of possible
intention to blackmail the Crown Prince. It is also an important tale
because it reveals a less known side of Sherlock Holmes - that of a man
susceptible to lesser emotions like Love
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  Since we are discussing " The Scandal in Bohemia", I am adding the
link for the adventure so that we can refresh our memories as we
discuss the adventure.
http://www.bakerstreet221b.de/canon/scan.htm
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
   I propose that all our members add one more resolution to their
existing list.
  1. To post more messages and contribute at least 10 messages in a
month.
  2. To make this society the premier Sherlockian site
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,

  Here's wishing everyone of you a fantastic new year. May all the
happiness and prosperity be yours this year and the years to come. All
the best
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,

Here's wishing everyone of you a fantastic new year.May God answer all your
prayers and may your dearest wish comes true this year.

I cant wait to begin with the discussion about the "Scandal in Bohemia."

I will be all set in January to  contribute all that I can. My baby is also due
in January so please pardon any delays from my end.

Warm regards and best wishes.

Swati*

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Dear Sherlockians,

           I wholeheartedly support Sumal’s suggestion that the month of January
should begin with discussions on “A Scandal in Bohemia”. I, however, can hardly
wait! I also register my consent at Tim’s proposal that the Sherlock Holmes
Society of India (SHSI) should dramatise some of Arthur Conan Doyle’s short
stories at places like Kolkata. The other Sherlockians are also being requested
to e-mail their opinions regarding this.

                Please give me permission to float on the internet some of my
views and data on “A Scandal in Bohemia”. The short story, first published in
the July 1891 -edition of ‘The Strand Magazine’, is actually the third Holmes
story to be written. The American radio adaptation of the story by Denis Green
and Anthony Boucher was aired between September 1945 and May 1946, with Basil
Rathbone voicing for the celebrated detective and Nigel Bruce speaking as Doctor
John Hamish Watson. The English television adaptation by C.A. Lejeune, of which
Ian Atkins was the producer, with Alan Wheatley as Holmes, Raymond Francis as
Watson, Alan Judd as the King of Bohemia, Olga Edwards as Irene Adler and John
Stevens as Godfrey Norton, was beamed on 27 October 1951. There have had been
several other adaptations of the story as well.

                              Different Sherlockian critics have tried to
identify real identity of the places and people referred to in Doyle’s “fifth of
the twelve best short stories” (qtd. in Baring-Gould, William S. “The Annotated
Sherlock Holmes - I”. New York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1967. pp. 367). “Eglow” and
“Eglonitz” have no geographical existence; however, Egria or Eger is a town in
Bohemia, not far from Carlsbad. Although the real king of Bohemia at the time of
the “Scandal” was Frantz Josef von Hapsburg (b. 1830), Jay Finley Christ (in
“Problems in ‘A Scandal in Bohemia’”, THE BAKER STREET GASOGENE, VOL. 1 NO. 2
1961) and Julian Woolf (in “The Adventuress of Sherlock Holmes: Some
Observations upon the Identification of Irene”, THE BAKER STREET JOURNAL, VOL.
VII, NO. 1, NEW SERIES, JANUARY 1957) opine that his only son Grand Duke Rudolf
(1858-1889) is being referred to. In “Another Incubus in the Saddle” (collected
in EXPLORING SHERLOCK HOLMES), John B. Wolf has suggested
  Crown Prince Wilhelm von Hohenzollern of Prussia (b. 1859), the later Wilhelm
II of Germany, while Edgar W. Smith thinks that Edward Albert (the later King
Edward VII of England) (b. 1841) is the mercurial and impulsive monarch. Irene
Adler could be the famous American opera singer with whom Wilhelm II had a
torrid and erotic affair; Julian Woolf thinks that Adler is actually the
celebrated actress Lily Langtry (b. 1852). Irene Adler was also the professional
name taken by Clara Stephens of Trenton, New Jersey, the aunt of James
Montgomery. The church where Norton and Adler get married is, according to T.L.A
Daintith, the St. Agnes’s Church, Cricklewood, off the Edgware Road, London.

   I would request the other esteemed Sherlockians to supply us with more data on
“A Scandal in Bohemia”.

   Thanking you,


   Yours sincerely,

   (Pinaki Roy)






































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   Department of English,
   Faculty of Post-graduate Studies,
   1st Floor,
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Good idea.  There's no doubt Holmes has been described as something of a
misogynist, though in the instance of Irene Adler he seems to have held such
respect for her mental powers he may be termed to have fallen in love with
this quite mysterious figure.


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Sent: 27 December 2005 01:56
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Sherlock Holmes 's attitude
towards Womenfolk

Dear Sherlockians,
  Since the Scandal in Bohemia features a strong female protoganist,
Irene Adler , I suggest we discuss Master's attitude towards woman in
contrast with Dr Watson. Let us get the ball rolling.
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I second that. It'll give me enough time to dust my copy of the collection and
begin on a fresh note...in fact, I ought to make that my New Year resolution!


   Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
   Dear Sherlockians,
I see thet there has been no dsiscussion on Holmes for quite some
time . Mea culpa since I have been trying to promote the site among
other Sherlockian sites, it has worked well too as you can see from the
dramatic increase in membership. I suggest we discuss " The Scandal in
Bohemia" starting Jan 2006.
Sumal





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Dear Sherlockians,
  I suggest that we make a moderator responsible for a month. It might
enable him to generate a more personal interest as he will be fully
responsible . We are working at crosspurposes so we are unable to
unleash our full potential . Please tell me whether this idea has foun
favour with you.
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  Since the Scandal in Bohemia features a strong female protoganist,
Irene Adler , I suggest we discuss Master's attitude towards woman in
contrast with Dr Watson. Let us get the ball rolling.
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  I see thet there has been no dsiscussion on Holmes for quite some
time . Mea culpa since I have been trying to promote the site among
other Sherlockian sites, it has worked well too as you can see from the
dramatic increase in membership. I suggest we discuss " The Scandal in
Bohemia" starting Jan 2006.
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  I wish all new members a happy Christmas and a very happy new year.
Contribute , educate and be educated about the Master.
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  I traced the article Mihir was referring to. It is w wonderfully
written article .
http://www.hindu.com/lr/2005/11/06/stories/2005110600300600.htm
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  Welcome back , Dr Roy. We missed you and a very happy new year to you
and may all happiness come to you this year.
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
  We have just clocked 1500 messages since our existence. I wanted to
see how quickly we reached the landmark. It is interseting to see the
results.
  0-500      -     May 28 2001 To Apr 27 2004.( 2years , 11 months)
  501- 1000  -     Apr 27 2004 To  Feb 8 2005. (9 MONTHS)
  1001- 1500 -      Feb 8 2005 To  Dec 26 2005 ( 10 months).
   I suggest we get to 2000 faster than that
Sumal

Dear Mihir ,
  Can you post a copy of that article?
Sumal

Dear Sherlockian,
  Welcome to this group and here's wishing you a merry Christmas and a
happy new year
Sumal

Dear Sherlockians,


                First of all, a very happy Christmas to you! I would have greeted
you two days earlier had not the internet connection at Balurghat (my
residential town in northern Bengal) been severely affected! It seems to me that
I have already missed a lot of discussions and points! Pardon me!

   Welcome, all the new members of the Sherlock Holmes Society of India! And,
Sumal...warm greetings to you, too...for Christmas and New Year 2006!


   Pinaki Roy



















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Thank you, Gwendolyne Saito, for your greetings! On behalf of the members of the
Sherlock Holmes Society of India, I wish you a very happy Christmas and
prosperous New Year 2006!

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   Co-Moderator,
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The Goose Club of the Alpha Inn (Los Angeles)


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Seasons greetings from

The Goose Club of the Alpha Inn (Los Angeles)


Gwen in l.a.
Member

Hello and congratulations on your successful launch
of the Sherlock Holmes Society of India and of your
Sherlockian mail-list!

Sumal was kind enough to join and send
a message to our own yahoo group -- WelcomeHolmes.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WelcomeHolmes/

As moderator of the group I would like to extend
a sincere and respectful invitation to any member
of this group to also join the WelcomeHolmes group.
We discuss the cases of Sherlock Holmes and have
read and talked about one-third of the sixty cases
on this tour of the canon. We'll continue this format
until all of Dr Watson's reports are read and discussed
with the primary goal of having a lot of fun on the way!
I think we are a friendly group that enjoys finding out
about the Sherlockian interests of others.

Perhaps as fans of the great detective we can
help each other grow and share in the pleasures
of reading about those adventures that originate
on Baker Street.

I hope you'll consider my invitation and again
congratulations on your society!

Cordially,

Ronald Kritter
WelcomeHolmes Moderator
AKA Dr. Thorneycroft Huxtable, M.A., Ph.D., etc ;-)

Dear Sherlockians,
   I had written to Sherlock Holmes society of London about our
activities . Their secretary had informed me that he would like to
know about us . After presumably seeing our site , he has added our
link to his website . I hope some of the Indian visitors to that site
will become our members too. I request our members to submit our
URL's where ever possible so that we get some publicity. That is
precisely why I insist new members tell us how they came to know of
our site so that we can intensify our efforts to generate interest in
our group among the global Sherlockian community
sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
Simon Templar was a fictional character in a long-running series of
books by Leslie Charteris entitled The Saint published between 1928
and 1963, Templar is known as The Saint due to his initials (ST), and
also because of his tendency to do good deeds, despite his nefarious
reputation. He sometimes uses the nom de guerre Sebastian Tombs and
also calls himself by sundry other names, all with the initials S.T.,
such as Sullivan Titwillow and Sugarman Treacle - the Saint has a
boyish sense of humour. He frequently leaves a 'calling card' at the
scenes of his 'crimes', consisting of a stick drawing of a man with a
halo, which is the logo of both the book series and the later 1960s
TV series.
    Let us now get on with Holmes
Sumal

Dear SHians

   I agree with Sumal. But for all his seemingly atheistic beliefs, aren't there
instances where he is able to quote the Bible (chapter and verse)? I'm not
certain, but I think one such instance is somewhere at the end of the Adv. of
the Blue Carbuncle. I'm certain though that it was one of those cases in which
he was the judge and jury and allowed the "criminal" to escape or at least take
his chances by running away.


   Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
   Dear Sherlockians,
   I can only quote some references from the Canon in which the Master
obliquely mentions religion,
    "Is not all life pathetic and futile? Is not his story a microcosm
of the whole? We reach. We grasp. And what is left in our hands at
the end? A shadow. Or worse than a shadow - misery". ( RETIRED
COLOURMAN)

    "Why does fate play such tricks with poor, helpless worms? I never
hear of such a case as this that I do not think of Baxter's words,
and say, "There, but for the grace of God, goes Sherlock Holmes."
(BOSCOMBE VALLEY)

   "What object is served by this circle of misery and violence and
fear? It must tend to some end, or else our universe is ruled by
chance, which is unthinkable. But what end? There is the great
standing perennial problem to which human reason is as far from an
answer as ever". (CARDBOARD BOX) .

I think Holmes being a rational man did not believe in religion, he
would not have been a practicing Christian . I am sure about
that.However , the Victorian era was a era where religious beliefs
were not seriously challenged. Darwin's theory was just about getting
reviled before gaining acceptance in the early 20 Th century
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