Hi,
  A very positive and open attitude , I should say
Sumal

Question: generally, what was Holmes' attitude towards new inventions
in crime detection, such as fingerprinting?


Tim,

I can't think of anything specific other than to cite some of his own
monographs and his belief as to their significance to the advancement
of science in deduction:

- the Distinction of the Ashes of Various Tobaccos (SIGN)
- the tracing of footsteps, with some remarks upon the uses of
plaster of Paris as a preserver of impresses (SIGN)
- the influence of a trade upon the form of the hand, with lithotypes
of the hands of slaters, sailors, cork-cutters, compositors, weavers,
and diamond-polishers (SIGN)
- the monographs to the Anthropolgical Journal on the qualities of the
human ear (CARD)
- Holmes blood-detection test that replaced the old guaiacum test (STUD)
(wasn't there some discussion about Holmes' results (using his test
methods) being inconclusive?  It's been years since I read it -- I may
be mistaken..)

I'm sure there are more, but I'm too lazy this evening...I can't think
of any reference Holmes makes to the art of fingerprint identification
(!!) -- it is probably right before me though...

Julia

Venkat mentions the Sign of Four.  Holmes should have done his homework a
little better on names.  The Indians among the Four are apparently Sikhs but
two have Moslem names and the other has a combination of Moslem and Sikh
(Mahomet Singh).


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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of
venkat.s iyer
Sent: 28 February 2006 05:02
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] question

hello sherlockians,
                            i've a question.....
some of the non-canonical writers claim holmes was married and has a
daughter(refer the site
http:///www.pjfarmer.com/secret/contributors/holmes-family-tree.htm)... is
that true... for myself i regret it..... in sign of four holmes says...
    "love is emotional thing, and whatever is emotional is opposed to that
true cold reason which i place above all things. i should never marry
myself,lest i bias my judgement"

i await for your precious comments...

venkat.....


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Venkat,
   Do not worry!  In non-Doyle Sherlock Holmes' stories people can say anything. 
While it is true that Doyle gave permission for William Gillette to "marry
Holmes" if he wanted to in the play "Sherlock Holmes," you can take it all "with
a grain of salt."

   They are just playing with the character - some better than others - but for
the "facts" just stick with the 60 original stories and you can't go wrong.

   Some people in the Sherlock Holmes world say things like, "everything I say is
true - only the facts are made up," so remember that when you are reading the
pastiches and parodies.

   Bob (in Canada)

"venkat.s iyer" <sherlockvenkat@...> wrote:
   hello sherlockians,
                            i've a question.....
some of the non-canonical writers claim holmes was married and has a
daughter(refer the site
http:///www.pjfarmer.com/secret/contributors/holmes-family-tree.htm)... is
that true... for myself i regret it..... in sign of four holmes says...
    "love is emotional thing, and whatever is emotional is opposed to that
true cold reason which i place above all things. i should never marry
myself,lest i bias my judgement"

i await for your precious comments...

venkat.....


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hello sherlockians,
                            i've a question.....
some of the non-canonical writers claim holmes was married and has a
daughter(refer the site
http:///www.pjfarmer.com/secret/contributors/holmes-family-tree.htm)... is
that true... for myself i regret it..... in sign of four holmes says...
    "love is emotional thing, and whatever is emotional is opposed to that
true cold reason which i place above all things. i should never marry
myself,lest i bias my judgement"

i await for your precious comments...

venkat.....


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Yes, indeed, the Adventure of the 3 Garridebs is the one.  Question:
generally, what was Holmes' attitude towards new inventions in crime
detection, such as fingerprinting?

Separately, it's interesting that Holmes refuses a knighthood while in the
real world, Doyle accepted one in 1902, the year this story was written.

All the best.

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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of Julia
Sent: 27 February 2006 00:54
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] telephone

Tim,

I suppose that must have been in 3GAR when Holmes makes reference to
his telephone appointment with Nathan Garrideb, do you think?

Julia

Question: when does Holmes use a telephone for the very first time,
and in which story?







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Tim,

I suppose that must have been in 3GAR when Holmes makes reference to
his telephone appointment with Nathan Garrideb, do you think?

Julia

Question: when does Holmes use a telephone for the very first time,
and in which story?

I can think of a few instances where Holmes uses his medical knowledge
to partially solve cases. Some of the best ones are...

  o Adventure of the Creeping Man - Surely his medicinal knowledge is
used here to deduce the serum's effect on the professor.

  o Adventure of the Dying Detective - It plays a role both on the way
Holme's tricks the visitor to believe he is suffering from a terminal
tropical disease and also in his identification of the culprit himself.

  o Adventure of the Devils Foot - Isn't it his familiariaty with the
way obscure poisons are used that helped him to figure out the possible
usage of a alkaloid poision which could be used along with combustion
tocause the initially inexplicable death and madness ?

  o Adventure of the Engineer's Thumb - The way Watson attends to the
engineer after he loses his thumb...

I am sure there must be more, but cannot think of anything else at the
momoment.

Regards

-Anand



--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Holmesians,
>  Sir Doyle usually drops bits of his medical knowledge once in a
while.
> Note the deduction about Jabez Wilson being an asthamatic. Are there
> any instances members remember?
>

'The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger' indicates, as Pinaki states, Holmes was
in active practice until 1903, a period of 23 years in total. 17 of these
were with Watson.
The problem is this: Watson's time with Holmes started in 1881 and ended in
1903.  Even adding the 3-year disappearance of Holmes after Reichenbach,
this still leaves 2 years unaccounted for.


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Sent: 24 February 2006 17:27
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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Dates of Holmes

  Dear Sherlockians,
   This has reference to Tim Symond's query about the dates for Holmes's
beginning his investigations and his retirement.

   William S. Baring-Gould has 'proved' that William Sherlock Scott Holmes
was born on 6 January 1854 at the farmstead of Mycroft, near Sigerside, in
the North Riding of Yorkshire (source: "The Annotated Sherlock Holmes", New
York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1967. Vol. 1, pp. 47). He studied at Oxford
University from the autumn of 1872 to the start of the long vacation in 1874
and at another of England's great universities - possibly Cambridge - from
autumn of 1874 to late in 1877. From internal evidences it may be deduced
that "The Adventure of the Gloria Scott" was the first case in which Holmes
was ever engaged, and in his "Life and Times of Mr. Sherlock Holmes, John H.
Watson, M.D., Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Other Notable Personages", Leslie
S. Klinger mentions the date as 1874. In 1881, the detective met John Hamish
Watson, and their first joint venture, "A Study in Scarlet", took place in
the same year. Holmes retired in 1903, after "The Adventure of the Creeping
Man". His
  post-retirement cases are "The Adventure of the Lion's Mane" (that occurred
in 1907), and "His Last Vow" (1914).

   I would request the other esteemed Sherlockians to post their views about
these dates.

   (Pinaki Roy)















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Dear Sherlockians,

                      Though Watson has often been portrayed as a busy physician
in the different Sherlock Holmes stories, I do not think that he has been able
to prove his worth by solving medical crises of real significance. Remsen Ten
Eyck Schenck, in “Holmes, Crypt-analysis and the Dancing Men” (The Baker Street
Journal, Vol. V, No. 2, New Series, April 1955), writes, “A large part of
Watson’s professional activity…[lies] in writing and compounding prescription”,
and he also refuses to ascribe any proactive role as a gifted doctor to Sherlock
Holmes’s accomplice. Doyle himself was not a very popular physician too! Thank
God, he was not – otherwise we would not have got Holmes!

                                                          After completing his
studies as a Bachelor of Medicine in August 1881, Doyle made a voyage to Africa
as a medical officer on the ship Mayumba, and then established a partnership
practice with Dr. George Budd at Plymouth. Splitting in 1882, he arrived at
Southsea, Portsmouth, in July and picked up a house called Bush Villa where he
re-established his practice, making 154 pounds the first year and 250 the
second. His financial conditions deteriorated further when he married Louise
Hawkins on 6 August 1885. With creditors hounding and insulting him, the 26-year
old doctor began writing the Sherlock Holmes stories purely to make money in
March 1886. The rest, as we know, is history! Doyle, however, could never
succeed as a physician.

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Dear Sherlockians,
   This has reference to Tim Symond’s query about the dates for Holmes’s
beginning his investigations and his retirement.

   William S. Baring-Gould has ‘proved’ that William Sherlock Scott Holmes was
born on 6 January 1854 at the farmstead of Mycroft, near Sigerside, in the North
Riding of Yorkshire (source: “The Annotated Sherlock Holmes”, New York: Clarkson
N. Potter, 1967. Vol. 1, pp. 47). He studied at Oxford University from the
autumn of 1872 to the start of the long vacation in 1874 and at another of
England’s great universities – possibly Cambridge – from autumn of 1874 to late
in 1877. From internal evidences it may be deduced that “The Adventure of the
Gloria Scott” was the first case in which Holmes was ever engaged, and in his
“Life and Times of Mr. Sherlock Holmes, John H. Watson, M.D., Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle, and Other Notable Personages”, Leslie S. Klinger mentions the date as
1874. In 1881, the detective met John Hamish Watson, and their first joint
venture, “A Study in Scarlet”, took place in the same year. Holmes retired in
1903, after “The Adventure of the Creeping Man”. His
  post-retirement cases are “The Adventure of the Lion’s Mane” (that occurred in
1907), and “His Last Vow” (1914).

   I would request the other esteemed Sherlockians to post their views about
these dates.

   (Pinaki Roy)















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Sent: 24 February 2006 01:41
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Jabez Wilson

Venkat wrote:

julia and holmesians,
Though his medical profession did not give him much success,Sir
doyle was always loyal to his profession.In the first instance
remember that Watson himself is a doctor by profession. Sir doyle has
referred to his medical knowlege in many novels.... resident patient
is one best examples to that.i dont remeber all but i could say Sir
doyle did used medical knowledge in his great work

My dear Venkat,

I am more inclined to read Holmes then to read about Doyle, but I have
been reading "Teller of Tales:  The Life of Arthur Conan Doyle" by
Daniel Stashower.  In one of the chapters, Doyle himself, give a
rather different view of his practice:

"How often I have rejoiced to find a clear morning before me and
settled down to my task, or rather, dashed ferociously a it, knowing
how precious were these hours of quiet.  Then to me enters my
housekeeper with tidings of dismay........and trudge sadly off, with
the feeling that another morning has been wasted and another seam left
visible to the critics eye in my unhappy novel".

I can not think of a story where Watson's medical knowledge did not
come into play at some point, however minor; I am certain it has been
categorised elsewhere.

Lastly, I appreciate the respect shown in addressing me separately
from the Holmesians, but feel free to include me in the "bunch"!  I am
a member of the Red Circle Society of Washington, DC, The Hounds of
the Internet, The Societe Sherlock Holmes de France (and a casual
participant in several others), and I am one of the editors of the
Camden House website.

http://camdenhouse.ignisart.com/main.htm

Regards,
Julia Huggins







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Dear Holmesians,
   While I agree that postings in Feb have gone down, no one seems to have
commented on my posting of Feb 17 on TRHL, nor on my reply of Feb 19 to
Navneeth's query and Jeff's reply thereto.Sumal, not even you?!
   How do we get more postings unless we comment on one,which then leads to a
cycle of comments till the subject is discussed thoroughly?
   Hoping to see more postings,
   VPS

Julia <julialhuggins@...> wrote:
   Venkat wrote:

julia and holmesians,
Though his medical profession did not give him much success,Sir
doyle was always loyal to his profession.In the first instance
remember that Watson himself is a doctor by profession. Sir doyle has
referred to his medical knowlege in many novels.... resident patient
is one best examples to that.i dont remeber all but i could say Sir
doyle did used medical knowledge in his great work

My dear Venkat,

I am more inclined to read Holmes then to read about Doyle, but I have
been reading "Teller of Tales:  The Life of Arthur Conan Doyle" by
Daniel Stashower.  In one of the chapters, Doyle himself, give a
rather different view of his practice:

"How often I have rejoiced to find a clear morning before me and
settled down to my task, or rather, dashed ferociously a it, knowing
how precious were these hours of quiet.  Then to me enters my
housekeeper with tidings of dismay........and trudge sadly off, with
the feeling that another morning has been wasted and another seam left
visible to the critics eye in my unhappy novel".

I can not think of a story where Watson's medical knowledge did not
come into play at some point, however minor; I am certain it has been
categorised elsewhere.

Lastly, I appreciate the respect shown in addressing me separately
from the Holmesians, but feel free to include me in the "bunch"!  I am
a member of the Red Circle Society of Washington, DC, The Hounds of
the Internet, The Societe Sherlock Holmes de France (and a casual
participant in several others), and I am one of the editors of the
Camden House website.

http://camdenhouse.ignisart.com/main.htm

Regards,
Julia Huggins






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Venkat wrote:

julia and holmesians,
Though his medical profession did not give him much success,Sir
doyle was always loyal to his profession.In the first instance
remember that Watson himself is a doctor by profession. Sir doyle has
referred to his medical knowlege in many novels.... resident patient
is one best examples to that.i dont remeber all but i could say Sir
doyle did used medical knowledge in his great work

My dear Venkat,

I am more inclined to read Holmes then to read about Doyle, but I have
been reading "Teller of Tales:  The Life of Arthur Conan Doyle" by
Daniel Stashower.  In one of the chapters, Doyle himself, give a
rather different view of his practice:

"How often I have rejoiced to find a clear morning before me and
settled down to my task, or rather, dashed ferociously a it, knowing
how precious were these hours of quiet.  Then to me enters my
housekeeper with tidings of dismay........and trudge sadly off, with
the feeling that another morning has been wasted and another seam left
visible to the critics eye in my unhappy novel".

I can not think of a story where Watson's medical knowledge did not
come into play at some point, however minor; I am certain it has been
categorised elsewhere.

Lastly, I appreciate the respect shown in addressing me separately
from the Holmesians, but feel free to include me in the "bunch"!  I am
a member of the Red Circle Society of Washington, DC, The Hounds of
the Internet, The Societe Sherlock Holmes de France (and a casual
participant in several others), and I am one of the editors of the
Camden House website.

http://camdenhouse.ignisart.com/main.htm

Regards,
Julia Huggins

julia and holmesians,
         Though his medical profession did not give him much success,Sir
doyle was always loyal to his profession.In the first instance remember that
Watson himself is a doctor by profession. Sir doyle has referred to his
medical knowlege in many novels.... resident patient is one best examples to
that.i dont remeber all but i could say Sir doyle did used medical knowledge
in his great work


On 2/23/06, Julia <julialhuggins@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Holmesians,
> >  Sir Doyle usually drops bits of his medical knowledge once in a while.
> > Note the deduction about Jabez Wilson being an asthamatic. Are there
> > any instances members remember?
>
> Did you mean John Hector McFarland in NORW?  I don't remember Jabez
> Wilson being referred to as an asthmatic, but my memory could be faulty.
>
>
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Sent: 23 February 2006 07:43
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Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] We are doing badly

   Dear Sherlockians,

         I agree with Sumal that the number of postings on our website in the
month of February is abnormally low. I am out of station, attending seminars
and other necessary jobs, and shall not be able to fully resume until the
first week of March. What about our other contributors?

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Dear Sherlockians,

         I agree with Sumal that the number of postings on our website in the
month of February is abnormally low. I am out of station, attending seminars and
other necessary jobs, and shall not be able to fully resume until the first week
of March. What about our other contributors?

   Pinaki Roy


















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--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
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> Dear Holmesians,
>  Sir Doyle usually drops bits of his medical knowledge once in a while.
> Note the deduction about Jabez Wilson being an asthamatic. Are there
> any instances members remember?

Did you mean John Hector McFarland in NORW?  I don't remember Jabez
Wilson being referred to as an asthmatic, but my memory could be faulty.

Dear Holmesians,
  we are lagging behind after the very suceesful january . Can we get on
with great postings?
Sumal

Dear Holmesians,
  Sir Doyle usually drops bits of his medical knowledge once in a while.
Note the deduction about Jabez Wilson being an asthamatic. Are there
any instances members remember?

Dear Navneeth and Jeff,
   Jeff's explanation is bang on.In armoured(Tank) warfare, the extra light
generated by such glasses is called "periscope light" and would enable us to see
15 minutes before daybreak and 15 minutes after sunset,when we used the tank's
periscope to look at the area outside the turret.
   Also,a warm welcome to you Navneeth.Good to have young people in the
society.Regards to all,
   VPS

fend01 <no_reply@...> wrote:
   Hello, Jeff. Thank you very much for the welcome and the explanation.
I will surely enjoy the discussions in this group.

Navneeth

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., "jeff_katz_2"
<jeff_katz@h...> wrote:
>
> Hello Navneeth, and I'm sure I speak for all when I say welcome. I
> hope you will enjoy participating in this group.
>
> Night-glasses are binoculars where the exit pupil of the objective
> lens is of a large diameter. This allows more light to be transmitted
> to the eye, improving vision at night.
>
> I've been trying very hard to think of any other use of binoculars in
> the Canon. There's the magnifying glass of course, and Mr Frankland
> had a telescope in "The Hound of the Baskervilles," but can anyone
> find another reference to binoculars?
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., fend01
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Everybody! I'm Navneeth from Madras(Chennai, if you prefer).
> > I'm 20 and only now have I begun reading the adventures of the
> > greatest fictional detective(that's a bit embarrassing to accept;) ).
> > I got a two-volume Bantam Classics set containing all four novels and
> > 56 short stories. Infact, I've completed A study in Scarlet, and now
> > reading the final pages of The Sign of Four.
> >
> >  Nearly 24 hours ago I was wondering about a particular item that
> > appeared in the Novel, and wanted to ask someone about it, and now
> > here it is... Were there really Night Glasses in the 19th
> > Century?(This particular item is mentioned in chapter 10 in The Sign
> > of Four) If yes,does anyone know how it worked? Any help would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Navneeth
> >
>






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Hello, Jeff. Thank you very much for the welcome and the explanation.
I will surely enjoy the discussions in this group.

Navneeth

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., "jeff_katz_2"
<jeff_katz@h...> wrote:
>
> Hello Navneeth, and I'm sure I speak for all when I say welcome. I
> hope you will enjoy participating in this group.
>
> Night-glasses are binoculars where the exit pupil of the objective
> lens is of a large diameter. This allows more light to be transmitted
> to the eye, improving vision at night.
>
> I've been trying very hard to think of any other use of binoculars in
> the Canon. There's the magnifying glass of course, and Mr Frankland
> had a telescope in "The Hound of the Baskervilles," but can anyone
> find another reference to binoculars?
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., fend01
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Everybody! I'm Navneeth from Madras(Chennai, if you prefer).
> > I'm 20 and only now have I begun reading the adventures of the
> > greatest fictional detective(that's a bit embarrassing to accept;) ).
> > I got a two-volume Bantam Classics set containing all four novels and
> > 56 short stories. Infact, I've completed A study in Scarlet, and now
> > reading the final pages of The Sign of Four.
> >
> >  Nearly 24 hours ago I was wondering about a particular item that
> > appeared in the Novel, and wanted to ask someone about it, and now
> > here it is... Were there really Night Glasses in the 19th
> > Century?(This particular item is mentioned in chapter 10 in The Sign
> > of Four) If yes,does anyone know how it worked? Any help would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Navneeth
> >
>

Dear Holmesians,
   Ref Tim's letter re: the London landmarks in The Red Headed League(TRHL)
   Even in the story, a reference is made to the location of the red  headed
client's address, first as Coburg Square and later as  Saxe-Coburg Square.(It
may be of interest to Holmesians that  Saxe-Coburg is the family name of the
present ruling family of England.  Actually,Saxe-Coburg Gotha. The name
"Windsor" was adopted sometime  before the ascension of QE II to the
throne,around 1952/3)
   This was to get rid of the bad blood generated during WW I due to the  name of
the then Lord of the Admiralty(Battengurg) which was a name of  German origin
and therefore replaced with its English  translation,Mounbatten (Lord Louis
Mountbatten being the son of the  said earlier Lord of the Admiralty).Since they
did not want similar bad  blood with ruling family as Saxe-Coburg Gotha is  also
of German  origin,it was changed to Windsor, after the castle of that name,
which  is the tradidional seat of the ruler.
   TRHL also brings out two characteristic traits of SH. First, his  musicmanship
and second,his dual nature.His fondness for music(and  proficiency at the
violin) is well known and brought out during the  visit of Watson and SH to St
James's Hall to hear a musical programme  of German chamber music(SH finds
German music "introspective" and  prefers it over French or Italian)
   His dual nature is so well brought out by Watson's(Sir ACD'S)  description:
The exreme exactness and astuteness being a foil for his  other poetic and
contemplative mood.
   To quote"As he listened to the music in perfect happiness, gently  waving his
thin, long fingers in time to the music while his gently  smiling face and his
languid, dreamy eyes were as unlike those of  Holmes  the sleuth-hound,Holmes
the relentless,keen- witted, redy-  handed criminal agent........The swing of
his nature took him from  extreme langour to devouring energy"
   To answer Tim's questions;
   (i)      Holmes himself calls TRHL a "three pipe problem" and asks Watson for
50 minutes' silence.
   (ii)     True, watson was living elsewhere, it is a  mystery because as far as
I recall, Watson is not yet married.I think  that during the course of their
partnership, they had begun living  separately for some time till Watson
rejoined him at 221B again, before  finally shifting out after his marriage.
   (iii)     Mary Southerland is a 'Red Herring' and  has no actual connection to
the stories in the canon.This was a regular  feature,the references to cases of
the past which are actually  non-exixtent in the canon.
   Regards to all,
   VPS

Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:          Any members interested
in this intriguing and fairly weird but amusing story
   and visiting London could do a walk to the places in The Red-Headed League,
   which in addition to 221B Baker Street are:

   St James's Hall, Piccadilly
   Saxe-Coburg Square, off Farringdon Street (in the story, Coburg Square is
   used as an alternative to Saxe-Coburg Square)
   City & Suburban Bank, Farringdon Street
   4 Pope's Court, Fleet Street, 17 King Edward Street, St Paul's.

   I personally do not know of Pope's Court or King Edward Street but maybe one
   day I'll wander over to 'the City' and check them out.



   Here are some testing questions for aficionados of this story:

   i. you can judge the difficulty of the challenge to Holmes by the number of
   pipes he smokes during the case.  How many pipes does Holmes smoke in The
   Red-Headed League?
   ii. where is Watson living at this time?

   Problem: in this story Holmes refers to the Mary Sutherland case - but this
   is the following case, i.e. A Case Of Identity.








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   [mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of sumalsn
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   To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
   Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] The Red Headed league

   Dear Holmesians,
    It shall be the " The Red headed League " for discussion . Shall we
   start?
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Hello Navneeth, and I'm sure I speak for all when I say welcome. I
hope you will enjoy participating in this group.

Night-glasses are binoculars where the exit pupil of the objective
lens is of a large diameter. This allows more light to be transmitted
to the eye, improving vision at night.

I've been trying very hard to think of any other use of binoculars in
the Canon. There's the magnifying glass of course, and Mr Frankland
had a telescope in "The Hound of the Baskervilles," but can anyone
find another reference to binoculars?

Jeff

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>
> Hello, Everybody! I'm Navneeth from Madras(Chennai, if you prefer).
> I'm 20 and only now have I begun reading the adventures of the
> greatest fictional detective(that's a bit embarrassing to accept;) ).
> I got a two-volume Bantam Classics set containing all four novels and
> 56 short stories. Infact, I've completed A study in Scarlet, and now
> reading the final pages of The Sign of Four.
>
>  Nearly 24 hours ago I was wondering about a particular item that
> appeared in the Novel, and wanted to ask someone about it, and now
> here it is... Were there really Night Glasses in the 19th
> Century?(This particular item is mentioned in chapter 10 in The Sign
> of Four) If yes,does anyone know how it worked? Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Navneeth
>

Hello, Everybody! I'm Navneeth from Madras(Chennai, if you prefer).
I'm 20 and only now have I begun reading the adventures of the
greatest fictional detective(that's a bit embarrassing to accept;) ).
I got a two-volume Bantam Classics set containing all four novels and
56 short stories. Infact, I've completed A study in Scarlet, and now
reading the final pages of The Sign of Four.

  Nearly 24 hours ago I was wondering about a particular item that
appeared in the Novel, and wanted to ask someone about it, and now
here it is... Were there really Night Glasses in the 19th
Century?(This particular item is mentioned in chapter 10 in The Sign
of Four) If yes,does anyone know how it worked? Any help would be
appreciated.

Regards,
Navneeth

Any members interested in this intriguing and fairly weird but amusing story
and visiting London could do a walk to the places in The Red-Headed League,
which in addition to 221B Baker Street are:

St James's Hall, Piccadilly
Saxe-Coburg Square, off Farringdon Street (in the story, Coburg Square is
used as an alternative to Saxe-Coburg Square)
City & Suburban Bank, Farringdon Street
4 Pope's Court, Fleet Street, 17 King Edward Street, St Paul's.

I personally do not know of Pope's Court or King Edward Street but maybe one
day I'll wander over to 'the City' and check them out.



Here are some testing questions for aficionados of this story:

i. you can judge the difficulty of the challenge to Holmes by the number of
pipes he smokes during the case.  How many pipes does Holmes smoke in The
Red-Headed League?
ii. where is Watson living at this time?

Problem: in this story Holmes refers to the Mary Sutherland case - but this
is the following case, i.e. A Case Of Identity.








-----Original Message-----
From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of sumalsn
Sent: 07 February 2006 06:02
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] The Red Headed league

Dear Holmesians,
  It shall be the " The Red headed League " for discussion . Shall we
start?
Sumal







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Dear Holmesians,
  It shall be the " The Red headed League " for discussion . Shall we
start?
Sumal

Glad to be of help,Tim. I would like to amend my Comparison of the movie
"Sholay" (which I had suggested that you add to your list) The movie it is
"inspired" by is not "How the West was won" but "Once upon a time in the West"
   Cheers!
   VPS
Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
   Many thanks for this welcome suggestion, Vijay - I'll be going to Heathrow
soon so I could arrive a little earlier and spend an hour in Hounslow,
looking for the videos.

Cheers!

Tim


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singha
Sent: 30 January 2006 05:50
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Bollywood

Dear Tim,
   If you go into any store run by an Indian in London or anywhere in the UK,
I am sure you will be able to get all the movie videos you mentioned.
Although I haven't visited England, on my last visit to Germany, I went into
a video library run by a Pakistani in Hanover where I saw over 250
Hindi(what you call Bollywood) movie videos in stock.
   I am sure that that will be the case in England too, specially in the
"Little Indias" like South Hall and Hounslow(sp?)
   You may like the biggest Bollywood blockbuster of all time: SHOLAY(A kind
of Hindi "How the West was won") to your list.
   Best of luck and regards,
   VPS
Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
   Can anyone suggest where I can purchase videos of 'Bollywood' films?
After
reading the features on India in the latest New Statesman (January 30) I'm
keen to view some of the classical ones, for instance:



Mughal-e Azam,

Pakeezah,

Pyaasa, and

Dilwale dulhaniya le jayenge.



Is there anywhere in the UK I can order these?



Cheers!



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Thanks for this, Sridhar!  I'll try to get the ones I mentioned below, and
see how I go.  Maybe we should try to get a Bollywood re. 'Sherlock Holmes
and the Indian Maharaja' etc?
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Sent: 01 February 2006 02:25
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Bollywood

Dear Tim,

   As regards the availability of these movies, I am alas unable to say
anything because I've never set foot outside my dear country! But as to the
names of the different movies that would be worth watching, I can give u a
big list. Now, I'm not much into the romantic kind of movies. I like
watching action and comedy. But even among the comedies, there are movies
like Angoor, Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro, Chashmebadoor, etc. which stand apart. So,
just let me know when u want to see more of those types and I'll send u a
list every now and then.

   Sridhar

vijay singha <vp_singha@...> wrote:
   Dear Tim,
   If you go into any store run by an Indian in London or anywhere in the UK,
I am sure you will be able to get all the movie videos you mentioned.
Although I haven't visited England, on my last visit to Germany, I went into
a video library run by a Pakistani in Hanover where I saw over 250
Hindi(what you call Bollywood) movie videos in stock.
   I am sure that that will be the case in England too, specially in the
"Little Indias" like South Hall and Hounslow(sp?)
   You may like the biggest Bollywood blockbuster of all time: SHOLAY(A kind
of Hindi "How the West was won") to your list.
   Best of luck and regards,
   VPS
Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
   Can anyone suggest where I can purchase videos of 'Bollywood' films?
After
reading the features on India in the latest New Statesman (January 30) I'm
keen to view some of the classical ones, for instance:



Mughal-e Azam,

Pakeezah,

Pyaasa, and

Dilwale dulhaniya le jayenge.



Is there anywhere in the UK I can order these?



Cheers!



Tim









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Dear Tim,

   As regards the availability of these movies, I am alas unable to say anything
because I've never set foot outside my dear country! But as to the names of the
different movies that would be worth watching, I can give u a big list. Now, I'm
not much into the romantic kind of movies. I like watching action and comedy.
But even among the comedies, there are movies like Angoor, Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro,
Chashmebadoor, etc. which stand apart. So, just let me know when u want to see
more of those types and I'll send u a list every now and then.

   Sridhar

vijay singha <vp_singha@...> wrote:
   Dear Tim,
   If you go into any store run by an Indian in London or anywhere in the UK, I
am sure you will be able to get all the movie videos you mentioned. Although I
haven't visited England, on my last visit to Germany, I went into a video
library run by a Pakistani in Hanover where I saw over 250 Hindi(what you call
Bollywood) movie videos in stock.
   I am sure that that will be the case in England too, specially in the "Little
Indias" like South Hall and Hounslow(sp?)
   You may like the biggest Bollywood blockbuster of all time: SHOLAY(A kind of
Hindi "How the West was won") to your list.
   Best of luck and regards,
   VPS
Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
   Can anyone suggest where I can purchase videos of 'Bollywood' films?   After
reading the features on India in the latest New Statesman (January 30) I'm
keen to view some of the classical ones, for instance:



Mughal-e Azam,

Pakeezah,

Pyaasa, and

Dilwale dulhaniya le jayenge.



Is there anywhere in the UK I can order these?



Cheers!



Tim









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