The main source I have for the thoughts and views of AC Doyle quite separate
from the Holmes' stories is a publication of his letters to the newspapers -
he was assiduous in writing to the Press on the great subjects of the day,
even if none of this crept into his fiction.  For example, in a letter
published in the Daily Express November 2 1917, writing from Crowborough
(where he is now buried), Doyle remarks:



Sir, - In reply to your correspondent's question, the reason why spirits
wear robes is that modesty does not cease with this life. Has it been the
custom for any of the churches to describe the angels as nude?



I wonder what his readers would have made of this had these words come from
the lips of Dr Watson or Holmes himself?





Tim



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Dear Holmesians,

  I was away for a week . I am sad to see no activity since then. I

would request members to post as frequently as possible so that this

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good thing but occasionally contributing will help us further the

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Expanding the field further, but still retaining the subject of the "idea (or
suggestion) of violence" may I add that in one of the latest Ram Gopal Verma
productions ("Darna Zaroori Hai"), I found the episodes in which only the
reaction of the "terrifiee" and the look on his/her face is visible to be more
scary and terrifying than the episodes in which the "terrifier" is actually
shown.

   For those not in the know, RGV is the one (Indian) director/producer whom I
would even think of naming in the same sentence as Alfred Hitchcock.


   Sridhar
   PS: I prefer the more supernatural-sounding Hound of Baskerville.

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
   Dear Jeff,
I think the suggestion of terror and violence is more terrifying
than the actual act of violence. Alfred Hitch cock would back me on
that!
I think the terror induced in " The Speckled Band" is far excessive
than in any of the  other adventures.
What do members say?
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Dear Holmesians,
  This May , we would be completing 5 years of existence as a Society.
Can members suggest ideas as to how we go about this milestone?
  I suggest that members write about their experiences being a part of
this society and what it means to them.

  Sumalsn

Dear Jeff,
  I think the suggestion of terror and violence is more terrifying
than the actual act of violence. Alfred Hitch cock would back me on
that!
  I think the terror induced in " The Speckled Band" is far excessive
than in any of the  other adventures.
  What do members say?
  Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
  I was away for a week . I am sad to see no activity since then. I
would request members to post as frequently as possible so that this
group can retain interest of all members . Being a silent member is a
good thing but occasinally contributing will help us further the
Holmesian Cause further.
Sumalsn

Hi All,

It has been wonderful to go through all the postings,
albeit silently.

An update on the History Channel schedule .. the
promos state that the series will begin on the 6th of
May, time still unknown.

Watch this space.

Cheers,
Ravi.
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>       1. Re: Re: The bond of friendship
>            From: "swati  goswami"
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>       2. Re: On "The Valley of Fear"
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> Dear all,
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>  sorry for not posting in anything for so long.I was
> on the family way and have recently been blessed
> with a baby boy.
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> Logged in after a very long time today and was glad
> to see so many postings for me to read.The most
> interesting is the fact that history channel will be
> showing sherlock holmes series.
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> I cant wait to see it.Thanks for updating me guys
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>    Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:28:01 -0000
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> Subject: Re: On "The Valley of Fear"
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> Dear Holmesians,
>  It might be probably due to the mental maturing of
> the readers
> taking place or else Sir ACD was confident that his
> readers were so
> addicted to his works that he would get away with (
> Violent )Murder.
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Dear Holmesian,
  Congratulations and nice to have you back. I will try and post the
programme schedule of the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes when I get
it. Keep posting.
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
  It might be probably due to the mental maturing of the readers
taking place or else Sir ACD was confident that his readers were so
addicted to his works that he would get away with ( Violent )Murder.
Sumalsn

Dear all,


  sorry for not posting in anything for so long.I was on the family way and have
recently been blessed with a baby boy.

Logged in after a very long time today and was glad to see so many postings for
me to read.The most interesting is the fact that history channel will be showing
sherlock holmes series.

I cant wait to see it.Thanks for updating me guys

regards
Swati

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Hello,

regarding the violence depicted this story, it's worth noting that
there are further graphic descriptions of mutilation, bloody murder
and worse, in many of the later stories - "The Veiled Lodger," "The
Red Circle," "The Lion's Mane," and "The Illustrious Client" spring to
mind. Certainly the earlier stories are more circumspect in describing
the physical results of violence.

If this observation is correct, is it due to the changing taste of the
reading public? The first World War may have been responsible for
turning Victorian society into the modern world.

On another note, I'll mention that "Valley" formed the basis of two
films: "Sherlock Holmes and the Deadly Necklace," a German film from
1962 starring Christopher Lee, and "The Pennsylvania Gun," and episode
of the 1954 TV series with Ronald Howard and Howard Marion Crawford.
It has been adapted for radio by  the BBC at least three times: in
1960 (Carelton Hobbs and Norman Shelly), 1986 (Tim Piggot Smith and
Andrew Hilton), and 1997 (Clive Merrison and Michael Williams).

Best wishes,
Jeff



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>
> Dear Holmesians,
>   Re: The Valley of Fear(TVOF).This tale is unique in the Holmesian
canon in more ways than one.
>   First and foremost is the Master's absence from the scene of
action in America,appearing as he does, only in Part 1(The Tragedy of
Birlstone) and in the Epilogue,both set in England.
>   Secondly,as I mentioned in an earlier posting, is the degree of
physical violence and it's description in gory detail,something that
ACD avoided elsewhere in the canon, most of which is located within
English shores.This may have something to do with ACD's uneasy
relationship, as an Englishman, with America and Americans, though he
is generous in his praise for the steely determination and gallant
demeanour of John McMurdo/Birdy Edwards.

Sumal,
   For some reason, this posting of yours escaped my notice.Giver me a few days
and I shall give my views on this bond of friendship between the two.
   Regards,
   VPS

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
   Dear Holmesians,
       The enduring bond of friendship between Sherlock Holmes and Dr
Watson always intrigued me.

    In celebrating Sherlock Holmes, we often forget the tolerance and
loyalty exhibited by Dr Watson in bearing with SH&#8217;s shortcomings. We
often find SH behaving in a callous manner towards the Good Doctor.
In&#8220; The Adventure of the Dying Detective&#8221; , SH actually disparages
Dr
Watson&#8217;s medical knowledge though he subsequently explains that it
was done by him to convince Dr Watson to act as his messenger to get
Mr Culverton Smith to his lodgings.

    SH is often abrupt with the Doctor though he later recovers his
good nature and tries to explain him the deduction involved. Despite
this, the Doctor&#8217;s loyalty is unflinching. Notice his conduct in the
Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton when he insists accompanying
SH when he wants to burgle CAM&#8217;s house despite the danger of getting
caught. There are many more instances in the Canon, Devil&#8217;s Foot et
al.

    Have we ever analyzed why Dr Watson was so loyal to Holmes in all
his adventures despite the dangers involved? It is also a pertinent
point that Dr Watson often neglected his own practice to accompany
SH. What was it that motivated Dr Watson to such heights of loyalty?
After all, the cases were that of Holmes.

I think this is a fit topic of discussion. Shall we?
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my thoughts exactly ! ! ! the SHSI  should meet at Agra or Pondicherry
Kumar Bhatia




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>       2. Re: Digest Number 593
>            From: "Nikhil Prasad Ojha" <npojha@...>
>       3. Re: On "The Valley of Fear"
>            From: vijay singha <vp_singha@...>
>       4. Re: Digest Number 593
>            From: Bob COGHILL <bobcoghill@...>
>       5. Re: Digest Number 593
>            From: sumalsn
>       6. FW: Digest Number 593
>            From: "Tim Symonds" <tim.symonds@...>
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>    Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: sachin <sachingoa@...>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 593
>
>The good news for all Holmesians / Jeremy Brett fans
>in India is that the History channel is going to show
>The adventuers of Sherlock Holmes very soon. They
>haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
>on. Hope members will keep in eye on that and keep
>everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
>place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
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>Subject: Re: Digest Number 593
>
>Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
>http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
>On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.
>
>Nikhil
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>On 4/11/06, sachin <sachingoa@...> wrote:
> >
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> > in India is that the History channel is going to show
> > The adventuers of Sherlock Holmes very soon. They
> > haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
> > on. Hope members will keep in eye on that and keep
> > everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
> > place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
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>Subject: Re: On "The Valley of Fear"
>
>Dear Holmesians,
>   Re: The Valley of Fear(TVOF).This tale is unique in the Holmesian canon
> in more ways than one.
>   First and foremost is the Master's absence from the scene of action in
> America,appearing as he does, only in Part 1(The Tragedy of Birlstone)
> and in the Epilogue,both set in England.
>   Secondly,as I mentioned in an earlier posting, is the degree of
> physical violence and it's description in gory detail,something that ACD
> avoided elsewhere in the canon, most of which is located within English
> shores.This may have something to do with ACD's uneasy relationship, as
> an Englishman, with America and Americans, though he is generous in his
> praise for the steely determination and gallant demeanour of John
> McMurdo/Birdy Edwards.
>   ACD also betrays his distaste for militant trade-unionism/communism and
> its violent response to greedy and aggressive capitalism.ACD seems to
> have had an uncanny foresight into the future of a budding, new
> free-market America as depicted in TVOF.How the capitalist system, if
> corrupted, could ride rough-shod over workers' rights(so finely depicted
> in one of Marlon Brando's early films,"On the Waterfront") and how
> gangster-unions in the guise of protecting labour rights could actually
> become parasites,sucking the blood of their own "protectees",as did The
> Scowrers and as history later threw up in the 60s real-life persona of
> Jimmy Hoffa of the Transpost unions. Hoffa finally disappeared without
> trace till date, just like McMurdo/Edwards/John Douglas did in the
> Epilgue to TVOF.
>   (Sumal,I think you once asked me about my copy of "The Case-Book of SH"
> which is an illustrated facsimille of Strand Magazine issues from 1908 to
> 1927.It is published by Wordsworth Classics:Wordsworth Editions
> Limited,1993,Hertfordshire SG 12 9 ET)
>   I invite the valued comments from members.
>   Regards to all,
>   VPS
>   P.S: Adverse comments are also most welcome, provided they are frank
> and forthright and not vieled in sarcasm as is the wont of a particularly
> venal member,who is actually a slimy-limy drag-queen, masquerading as a
> lady in our midst.(Members may check "her" name on Google)
>
>pinaki roy <monkaroy@...> wrote:
>   Dear Sherlockians,
>                                                    After an informative
> and enlightening session on “His Last Bow”, shall we discuss a few points
> about the novel “The Valley of Fear”, first serialised in The Strand
> Magazine between September 1914 and May 1915?
>
>                                                   I beg for your
> permission to add a few myself. “The Valley of Fear” exhibits Arthur
> Conan Doyle’s interest in and problematic relationship with the United
> States of America. Many of his villains and shady characters belong to
> the former English colony ­ a repetition of the basic colonial ideology
> that evil is innate to the subaltern’s psyche. The United States being a
> cultural challenger to Britain, Doyle could not offer a sympathetic
> treatment to the former colony; on the other hand, it was too colossal a
> presence to be ignored, if not referentially obliterated. In “The Valley
> of Fear”, Doyle’s focus is on the different villainous American gangster
> groups, and I often wonder whether Herge had taken a similar satiric view
> of the American ‘gangster convention’ (?!) in his “Tintin in America”
> because he hailed from Belgium, another colonial power.
>
>                                                    Cultural theories
> notwithstanding, the very first chapter of the novel ­ ‘The Tragedy of
> Birlstone’ ­ has stirred up a controversy regarding the basic identity of
> the “ancient manor house of Birlstone”. In “Three Identifications: Two
> Localities in ‘The Six Napoleons’, the Drive to Thaddeus Sholto’s House,
> Birlstone Manor” (collected in “Profile by Gaslight”; pp. 283-9),
> H.W.Bell opines that Brambletye Manor, situated near the road connecting
> Tunbridge Wells in Kent with East Grinstead in Sussex, is the model for
> Doyle’s ‘Birlstone Manor’, and draws attention to the fact that the
> author himself lived for some years in the neighbourhood of Forest Row
> near which Brambletye has had been erected. The original manor house was
> abandoned in 1631, but was reoccupied, and by the early 1890s, the
> drawbridge, which had been temporarily removed, was reinstated. Sir
> Richard James, who inhabited Brambletye during the rule of Charles II,
>  was the
>most famous occupant of the house. However, James Montgomery and
>C.O.Merriman have put forward a different opinion respectively in “A Case
>of Identity” (Philadelphia: International Printing Company, 1955) and “A
>Case of Identity ­ No. 2” (collected in The Sherlock Holmes Journal, 5:3,
>Winter 1961). According to their interpretation, ‘Birlstone Manor’ is
>actually the fictionalised form of the Groombridge House, in Groombridge,
>Kent. The manor house with a drawbridge was built by Gromen, a Saxon
>nobleman, at the village near Ashdown Forest, 3 miles from Tunbridge
>Wells. It requires mention that in one of the presentation copies of “The
>Valley of Fear”, Doyle had himself written, “With all kind of remembrance
>from Arthur Conan Doyle who hopes you have pleasant memories of
>Groombridge House which is the old house herein described. June 22/21.”
>
>                                                      I have, however, a
> soft corner for the gang of McGinty. I see them more as the militant
> protector of the proletarian interests against the onslaughts of the late
> nineteenth century Anglo-American capitalists. I beg to draw your
> attention to the fact that though Doyle has had tried to glorify the
> endeavours of Birdy Edwards in liquidating the Scowrers, The Pinkerton
> Detective Agency, which Edwards serves, actually existed but with not so
> clean a record. Founded by Allan Pinkerton (1819-1884), the agency soon
> came under attacks by the different American trade unions for its
> employment of labour spies and protecting the capitalists’ interests at
> the cost of those of the proletariat.
>
>   I shall be grateful to the esteemed Sherlockians (with, once again,
> special references to Sumal, Jeff, Tim, V.P.Singha, Sridhar and Julia) if
> they post on the web their views on this.
>
>   Thanking you,
>
>
>   (Pinaki Roy)
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>    Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
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>Subject: Re: Digest Number 593
>
>Nikhi,
>   Thank you so much for this link.  I think it is fascinating and will
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>   Bob (in Toronto, Canada)
>
>Nikhil Prasad Ojha <npojha@...> wrote:
>   Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
>http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
>On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.
>
>Nikhil
>
>On 4/11/06, sachin <sachingoa@...> wrote:
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> > The good news for all Holmesians / Jeremy Brett fans
> > in India is that the History channel is going to show
> > The adventuers of Sherlock Holmes very soon. They
> > haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
> > on. Hope members will keep in eye on that and keep
> > everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
> > place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
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> >
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>    From: sumalsn
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 593
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>Dear Nikhil,
>  So will Andaman & Nicobar( STUDY)
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>    Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:30:46 +0100
>    From: "Tim Symonds" <tim.symonds@...>
>Subject: FW: Digest Number 593
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>If I had a vote, how about Kerala, really a garden of Eden.
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>Nikhi,
>   Thank you so much for this link.  I think it is fascinating and will use
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>   Bob (in Toronto, Canada)
>
>Nikhil Prasad Ojha <npojha@...> wrote:
>   Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
>http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
>On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.
>
>Nikhil
>
>On 4/11/06, sachin <sachingoa@...> wrote:
> >
> > The good news for all Holmesians / Jeremy Brett fans
> > in India is that the History channel is going to show
> > The adventuers of Sherlock Holmes very soon. They
> > haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
> > on. Hope members will keep in eye on that and keep
> > everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
> > place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
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Indeed Sumal, that was the same thought which crossed
my mind while watching the scene. Wasn't it the
chinese scholar Confucius who once said - " Great
minds think alike and fools seldom differ" !?!
As for the best place to have a meet, guess we can
narrow down the choices and put it to vote. Even if it
doesnt materialize we will know, hypothetically, which
is the favoured place and WHY?

Sachin
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:56:55 -0000
>    From: sumalsn
> Subject: A Sherlockian Moment
>
> Dear Holmesians,
>  I has viewd the latest release from Holly wood, "
> Basic Instinct 2".
>  There is a scene in the movie where Holmesian
> deduction methods are
> used. Catherine Trammel( Sharon Stone) asks her
> psychiatrist whether
> he is recently divorced. On the psychiatrist
> agreeing and asking her
> how she knew it . She replies saying that he is not
> wearing a wedding
> ring and the marks of a wedding band worn are
> visible. So it is clear
> that he is recently divorced.
>  Don' t you agree it is Holmesian deduction at work/
> Sumalsn
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>    Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:01:05 -0000
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> Subject: Welcome new members
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  We have been joined by Mr Berqusit who is a leading Holmesian . We
cordially invite all our new members who are requested to introduce
themselves so that we know more about them.Keep posting
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
  I has viewd the latest release from Holly wood, " Basic Instinct 2".
  There is a scene in the movie where Holmesian deduction methods are
used. Catherine Trammel( Sharon Stone) asks her psychiatrist whether
he is recently divorced. On the psychiatrist agreeing and asking her
how she knew it . She replies saying that he is not wearing a wedding
ring and the marks of a wedding band worn are visible. So it is clear
that he is recently divorced.
  Don' t you agree it is Holmesian deduction at work/
Sumalsn

Dear Tim,
   The suggestions for Goa and Kerala are both very inviting,though these are
good only between Oct and Feb.I' ve just returned from a shirt trip to the
former.It was an an oven!
   As regards,Afghanistan,Heaven forbid! We may be shot for being "American
agents".
   The Andamans are excellent too.But my vote,if you are looking for atmosphere,
is Calcutta, "the second city of the Empire"(now Kolkata)
   VPS

Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
   If I had a vote, how about Kerala, really a garden of Eden.

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Nikhi,
   Thank you so much for this link.  I think it is fascinating and will use
it often.

   Bob (in Toronto, Canada)

Nikhil Prasad Ojha <npojha@...> wrote:
   Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.

Nikhil

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> haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
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> everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
> place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
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Dear Singha saab,
  I read it some time back. Give me some time , two - or three days .
I will come back with elaborate comments
Sumalsn

If I had a vote, how about Kerala, really a garden of Eden.

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Nikhi,
   Thank you so much for this link.  I think it is fascinating and will use
it often.

   Bob (in Toronto, Canada)

Nikhil Prasad Ojha <npojha@...> wrote:
   Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.

Nikhil

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Dear Nikhil,
  So will Andaman & Nicobar( STUDY)
Sumalsn

Nikhi,
   Thank you so much for this link.  I think it is fascinating and will use it
often.

   Bob (in Toronto, Canada)

Nikhil Prasad Ojha <npojha@...> wrote:
   Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.

Nikhil

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Dear Holmesians,
   Re: The Valley of Fear(TVOF).This tale is unique in the Holmesian canon in
more ways than one.
   First and foremost is the Master's absence from the scene of action in
America,appearing as he does, only in Part 1(The Tragedy of Birlstone) and in
the Epilogue,both set in England.
   Secondly,as I mentioned in an earlier posting, is the degree of physical
violence and it's description in gory detail,something that ACD avoided
elsewhere in the canon, most of which is located within English shores.This may
have something to do with ACD's uneasy relationship, as an Englishman, with
America and Americans, though he is generous in his praise for the steely
determination and gallant demeanour of John McMurdo/Birdy Edwards.
   ACD also betrays his distaste for militant trade-unionism/communism and its
violent response to greedy and aggressive capitalism.ACD seems to have had an
uncanny foresight into the future of a budding, new free-market America as
depicted in TVOF.How the capitalist system, if corrupted, could ride rough-shod
over workers' rights(so finely depicted in one of Marlon Brando's early
films,"On the Waterfront") and how gangster-unions in the guise of protecting
labour rights could actually become parasites,sucking the blood of their own
"protectees",as did The Scowrers and as history later threw up in the 60s
real-life persona of Jimmy Hoffa of the Transpost unions. Hoffa finally
disappeared without trace till date, just like McMurdo/Edwards/John Douglas did
in the Epilgue to TVOF.
   (Sumal,I think you once asked me about my copy of "The Case-Book of SH" which
is an illustrated facsimille of Strand Magazine issues from 1908 to 1927.It is
published by Wordsworth Classics:Wordsworth Editions Limited,1993,Hertfordshire
SG 12 9 ET)
   I invite the valued comments from members.
   Regards to all,
   VPS
   P.S: Adverse comments are also most welcome, provided they are frank and
forthright and not vieled in sarcasm as is the wont of a particularly venal
member,who is actually a slimy-limy drag-queen, masquerading as a lady in our
midst.(Members may check "her" name on Google)

pinaki roy <monkaroy@...> wrote:
   Dear Sherlockians,
                                                    After an informative and
enlightening session on “His Last Bow”, shall we discuss a few points about the
novel “The Valley of Fear”, first serialised in The Strand Magazine between
September 1914 and May 1915?

                                                   I beg for your permission to
add a few myself. “The Valley of Fear” exhibits Arthur Conan Doyle’s interest in
and problematic relationship with the United States of America. Many of his
villains and shady characters belong to the former English colony – a repetition
of the basic colonial ideology that evil is innate to the subaltern’s psyche.
The United States being a cultural challenger to Britain, Doyle could not offer
a sympathetic treatment to the former colony; on the other hand, it was too
colossal a presence to be ignored, if not referentially obliterated. In “The
Valley of Fear”, Doyle’s focus is on the different villainous American gangster
groups, and I often wonder whether Herge had taken a similar satiric view of the
American ‘gangster convention’ (?!) in his “Tintin in America” because he hailed
from Belgium, another colonial power.

                                                    Cultural theories
notwithstanding, the very first chapter of the novel – ‘The Tragedy of
Birlstone’ – has stirred up a controversy regarding the basic identity of the
“ancient manor house of Birlstone”. In “Three Identifications: Two Localities in
‘The Six Napoleons’, the Drive to Thaddeus Sholto’s House, Birlstone Manor”
(collected in “Profile by Gaslight”; pp. 283-9), H.W.Bell opines that Brambletye
Manor, situated near the road connecting Tunbridge Wells in Kent with East
Grinstead in Sussex, is the model for Doyle’s ‘Birlstone Manor’, and draws
attention to the fact that the author himself lived for some years in the
neighbourhood of Forest Row near which Brambletye has had been erected. The
original manor house was abandoned in 1631, but was reoccupied, and by the early
1890s, the drawbridge, which had been temporarily removed, was reinstated. Sir
Richard James, who inhabited Brambletye during the rule of Charles II,
  was the
most famous occupant of the house. However, James Montgomery and C.O.Merriman
have put forward a different opinion respectively in “A Case of Identity”
(Philadelphia: International Printing Company, 1955) and “A Case of Identity –
No. 2” (collected in The Sherlock Holmes Journal, 5:3, Winter 1961). According
to their interpretation, ‘Birlstone Manor’ is actually the fictionalised form of
the Groombridge House, in Groombridge, Kent. The manor house with a drawbridge
was built by Gromen, a Saxon nobleman, at the village near Ashdown Forest, 3
miles from Tunbridge Wells. It requires mention that in one of the presentation
copies of “The Valley of Fear”, Doyle had himself written, “With all kind of
remembrance from Arthur Conan Doyle who hopes you have pleasant memories of
Groombridge House which is the old house herein described. June 22/21.”

                                                      I have, however, a soft
corner for the gang of McGinty. I see them more as the militant protector of the
proletarian interests against the onslaughts of the late nineteenth century
Anglo-American capitalists. I beg to draw your attention to the fact that though
Doyle has had tried to glorify the endeavours of Birdy Edwards in liquidating
the Scowrers, The Pinkerton Detective Agency, which Edwards serves, actually
existed but with not so clean a record. Founded by Allan Pinkerton (1819-1884),
the agency soon came under attacks by the different American trade unions for
its employment of labour spies and protecting the capitalists’ interests at the
cost of those of the proletariat.

   I shall be grateful to the esteemed Sherlockians (with, once again, special
references to Sumal, Jeff, Tim, V.P.Singha, Sridhar and Julia) if they post on
the web their views on this.

   Thanking you,


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Re Sherlockian connection with places, look at this page:
http://www.sherlock-holmes.org/atlas/india.html
On the point of relevance, Pondicherry or Agra score, I guess.

Nikhil

On 4/11/06, sachin <sachingoa@...> wrote:
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> The good news for all Holmesians / Jeremy Brett fans
> in India is that the History channel is going to show
> The adventuers of Sherlock Holmes very soon. They
> haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
> on. Hope members will keep in eye on that and keep
> everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
> place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
> connections here but great place to celebrate !!
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in India is that the History channel is going to show
The adventuers of Sherlock Holmes very soon. They
haven't declared the schedule yet but the promos are
on. Hope members will keep in eye on that and keep
everybody posted. As for a Holmesian meet, what better
place than Gods Own Abode, Goa ?? No Sherlockian
connections here but great place to celebrate !!

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Dear Tim,
  I do hope this would answer your query adequately.

  "Watson's participation in the war follows his being attached to the
Fifth Northumberland Fusiliers as an Assistant Surgeon and finding, by
the time he landed at Bombay, the regiment had already been sent to
Afghanistan at the outbreak of war. He was packed off to join them at
Kandahar and afterwards attached to the Berkshires, accompanying them
into the chaos of Maiwand and being wounded there by the bullet from a
jezail. Watson's orderly, `Murray', managed to pull him out of danger
to join the retreat, and he was soon recovering at Peshawar before he
was able to get home and up to London, looking for lodgings and
employment of some kind".
  This was sourced from
http://www.astudyinsherlock.net/2006/03/27/watson-afganistan/.
  Sumalsn

So it was Afghanistan, was it?  How did Watson get up to the regiment there
- was it through the NWF?

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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: first annual meeting?

  Dear Tim,
  I think it is time we did organize something of that kind. Well, Dr
Watson was injured in Afghanistan. Our neighbour but a world removed
from Modern India.
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Dear Tim,
  I think it is time we did organize something of that kind. Well, Dr
Watson was injured in Afghanistan. Our neighbour but a world removed
from Modern India.
sumalsn

Isn't it time there was the first annual meeting of Indian Holmesians, where
perhaps overseas' guests can be invited?  If you held such a meeting, where
would it be?  Surely not up in the territory Watson nearly lost his life
in!?  Was that in modern-day India, or?

As ever.

Tim

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Dear Mitalimchat and alien klone,
  Welcome to our Society. Please introduce yourselves so that we come to
know each other better. Keep posting at this best site for Indian
Holmesians.
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Dear Mitalimchat and alien klone,
  Welcome to our Society. Please introduce yourselves so that we come to
know each other better. Keep posting at this best site for Indian
Holmesians.
Sumalsn

Dear Nikhil,
  Welcome back . It has been a long time since we have heard from you.
I think Sir PGW was talking tongue in cheek. I remember we had
discussed this extensively earlier. Our archives must be having the
record of this discussion.
  Sumalsn

One interesting thesis that P G Wodehouse forwarded (in a
brilliant introduction to a print of "The Sign of Four", if I remember
right) was that the Master and Moriarty are in fact, the same person. That
Sherlock Holmes created the myth of the evil criminal genius Moriarty to
hide the fact that it was actually he who was the true "Napoleon of crime"
and that his material comforts came from his earnings from such ventures.


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