All this talk about Sherlock pastiches has given my an idea.
I've written several Sherlockian Pastiches  (see my Sherlock Holmes
and The Grand Horizontals available through Amazon. com) and
translated
some French ones:  Arsene Lupin versus SH.

Now it's my understanding that Holmes spent some time in the East,
and learned some martial arts as well. There's a pastiche Sherlock
Holmes in Tibet which I own but have never read.

Assuming Holmes was in the Tibet, he must have gotten there via
India or China. On the way, he must have met some interesting locals
in China and India. He probably came via India and left via China.
He was there without Watson, so he probably had some Indian or
Chinese sidekick during these adventures who undoubtedly kept
records of them
but they have been lost up until now, or written in some non-English
language.  So what sort of person might this have been ? Any ideas ?

Rabagas/aka Frank Morlock

hello friends,

I've heard that Sandip Ray (the son of Satyajit Ray) has also made films of
the Feluda stories, including "Bombaiyer Bombete" with Sabyasachi
Chakraborty as Feluda; also a TV series with Shashi Kapoor.

I have seen  "Sonar Kella" and "Joi Baba Felunath," but not "Chiriakhana."
Thank you for the information, I will seek it out.

In the story "Feluda in London" in chpater seven, Feluda and Jatayu visit
Baker Street. They cannot find a house number 221B, but they find number
220, and "Feluda stood before that building and murmured softly, ' Guru, you
showed us the way. If I am an investigator today, it is only because of you.
Now I can say coming to London was truly worthwhile." This is in volume two
of "The Complete Adventures of Feluda," page 554, published by Penguin. All
detective story writers owe a debt to Holmes and Conan Doyle, but not all of
them acknowledge it.

cheers,

Jeff




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>
>2.2. Re: Sherlock Holmes in a Malayalam Film
>     Posted by: "riju ganguly" riju_cs@... riju_cs
>     Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:29 am
>
>Dear Holmesians,
>
>   The legendary filmmaker Satyajit Ray had made three Bengali moves that
>can be distinctly classified under the genre "mystery/detective". These
>movies are:
>
>    "Sonar Kella" (The Golden Fortress)
>    "Joi Baba Felunath" (Mystery of the Elephant God)
>    "Chiriakhana" (The Zoo).
>   Among these, the first two movies were based on Ray's own novels with
>the detective Pradosh Chandra Mitra (Feluda) as the hero, while the third
>one (chronologically the first) was based on Sharadindu Bandopadhyay's
>eponymous novel, having the detective Byomkesh Bakshi (titled Bannerjee in
>the film) as the hero. Saumitra Chatterjee was the hero in the first two
>movies, while Uttam Kumar was the hero in the third movie. Since both
>Byomkesh and Feluda openly drew inspiration from Sherlock Holmes, claiming
>him as the "master", all the movies mention Holmes at some point, and with
>lots of respect as well.
>
>   Wishing luck to others regarding bringing more such instances to light,
>
>   Riju Ganguly
>

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Dear Tim and other SHians

   A good idea, but I'd have to leave me out if I were picking up SHians for the
play! I can't act worth, ummm, anything, although my memory (when it comes to
literature) is pretty good. I can do a pretty good impersonation of a robot
though...kind of like the current CA gov's Terminator persona. Or maybe a Spock
with one eyebrow half raised (that's the best I can do...I'm learning the nerve
pinch though - by trial and error, LOL).


   Sridhar
   PS: Old Maharaja's palaces? :))

Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
           I mentioned earlier that a small group of us were going to see The
Hound of
the Baskervilles by a group of strolling players called Illyria
(www.illyria.uk.com <http://www.illyria.uk.com/> ) and we went to it last
Sunday. The weather was absolutely wonderful, strong warm sun all day,
right through the evening. This was just as well because the play took
place at Bodiam Castle, a ruin of a beautiful ‘domestic castle’ built around
1400 in the modern era. The castle ruin is open to the skies and surrounded
by a moat with ducks and large fish etc. About 450 people attended, mostly
adults, and each had to pay Sterling £15 – about 30 US dollars, so it wasn’t
cheap even by England’s standards these days.

I had not fully realised it but the strolling players rather spoofed the
story, though they kept to the script well. Several male parts were played
by the two women, indicating this by wearing a huge false moustache. The
staging was done with the absolute minimum of furniture, for example the
first attachment shows Holmes and Watson in a pony and trap, the trap being
indicated by the umbrella and the thing pulled by an invisible pony with an
actor off-stage smacking two half-coconuts together for a very realistic
horses-hooves sound.

The second attachment shows the castle from the entrance during the interval
when we escaped to the toilet or to stretch legs.

The third attachment shows the setting and stage inside the castle before
the play commenced. The Illyria actors – three men two women – had
performed down on the Isle of Wight that same morning, then driven for 5
hours to East Sussex, and then erected the stage before the play started.

The fourth attachment shows one of the women – on the right – playing a
man’s role – the criminal - while Dr Watson (blue jacket) does his best to
analyse what’s going on. The criminal is the same actor who is the driver
of the carriage in attachment one.

In the programme (on sale at a further Sterling £3 !!!) it notes that the
whole of ‘The Hound’ is filled with references to the canine world – every
scene contains some sort of reference – people are ‘hounded’ or ‘dogged’,
mention is made of dog-carts and ‘iron-dogs’ (what’s that?), even,
apparently, the sharp jagged twin peak of Dartmoor refers to canine teeth.

I reckon Sumal and members of the Society in India ought to form a group of
strolling players like this and put on Sherlock Holmes’ plays in the old
Maharajas’ palaces.


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Dear Arun and other SHians,

   I seem to remember having read another book by Julian Symons a few years
back... might have been "A Man Called Jones." I'll try to track down the one you
mention though it might take some time.


   Sridhar

arun.pkumar@... wrote:

Julian Symons has written a novel by the name of "A three pipe problem"
- one of the modern day Sherlock Holmes pastiches where the detective is
named Sheridan Hayes. The review for this book is of a very high order
and this book is also included in the Anthology "100 best crime novels"
of the century. Even though Julian Symons was a great author and has
produced innumerable psychological whodunits, this SH pastiche is
considered as one of his best. Hence, if somebody who has read this book
can comment on it, then probably we can arrive at the best pastiche.
August Derleth is another author whose stories are very popular. I've
read a few of his stories and I enjoyed them though, of course, they are
not in the same class as the originals.

Regards,
Arun.

________________________________

From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:10 PM
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Digest Number 884

Dear Holmesians and Arun,
I have read the ," Exploits of Sherlock Holmes" written by Adrian
Conan Doyle and John Dickson Carr. I will not say that it is a great
book. The best among all patishches I havr read would be the " The
Mandala of Sherlock Holmes" by Jamyang Norbu. I think most of the
members would concur with me on that
Sumalsn

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Dear Suman and other SHians,

   JK Rowling could well try writing a Holmes pastiche, and I believe she can if
she sufficiently motivated, but I'm doubtful if there won't be a lingering
whatchamacallit element of magic in it! Imagine Holmes sitting on his usual
chair (mayhaps a wide-eyed Watson on the sofa) doing some "armchair analysis"
while floating a few feet above the crime scene!!! Or another scene...Holmes
telling him, "Let's go, Watson. They've tracked down Moriarty. There is magic
afoot!" (pardon the terrible mixup).


   Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
           Dear Holmesians and Sri,
Members would recall that I had suggested JK Rowling would be a
excellent choice to pen a SH patische. It seems that hse is writing a
crime novel set in Edinburgh as the following extract from wikipedia
would suggest,
"It has been reported that Rowling is currently working on a crime
novel set in Edinburgh, Scotland. Fellow Scottish author Ian Rankin is
quoted as saying that his wife has seen Rowling writing the novel in
Edinburgh cafés".
I wish she tries her hand at a SH patische!
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Dear Suman and other SHians,

   JK Rowling could well try writing a Holmes pastiche, and I believe she can if
she sufficiently motivated, but I'm doubtful if there won't be a lingering
whatchamacallit element of magic in it! Imagine Holmes sitting on his usual
chair (mayhaps a wide-eyed Watson on the sofa) doing some "armchair analysis"
while floating a few feet above the crime scene!!!


   Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
           Dear Holmesians and Sri,
Members would recall that I had suggested JK Rowling would be a
excellent choice to pen a SH patische. It seems that hse is writing a
crime novel set in Edinburgh as the following extract from wikipedia
would suggest,
"It has been reported that Rowling is currently working on a crime
novel set in Edinburgh, Scotland. Fellow Scottish author Ian Rankin is
quoted as saying that his wife has seen Rowling writing the novel in
Edinburgh cafés".
I wish she tries her hand at a SH patische!
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Julian Symons has written a novel by the name of "A three pipe problem"
- one of the modern day Sherlock Holmes pastiches where the detective is
named Sheridan Hayes. The review for this book is of a very high order
and this book is also included in the Anthology "100 best crime novels"
of the century. Even though Julian Symons was a great author and has
produced innumerable psychological whodunits, this SH pastiche is
considered as one of his best. Hence, if somebody who has read this book
can comment on it,  then probably we can arrive at the best pastiche.
August Derleth is another author whose stories are very popular. I've
read a few of his stories and I enjoyed them though, of course, they are
not in the same class as the originals.

Regards,
Arun.

________________________________

From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of
sumalsn
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:10 PM
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Digest Number 884



Dear Holmesians and Arun,
I have read the ," Exploits of Sherlock Holmes" written by Adrian
Conan Doyle and John Dickson Carr. I will not say that it is a great
book. The best among all patishches I havr read would be the " The
Mandala of Sherlock Holmes" by Jamyang Norbu. I think most of the
members would concur with me on that
Sumalsn







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Dear Holmesians,

   The legendary filmmaker Satyajit Ray had made three Bengali moves that can be
distinctly classified under the genre "mystery/detective". These movies are:

    "Sonar Kella" (The Golden Fortress)
    "Joi Baba Felunath" (Mystery of the Elephant God)
    "Chiriakhana" (The Zoo).
   Among these, the first two movies were based on Ray's own novels with the
detective Pradosh Chandra Mitra (Feluda) as the hero, while the third one
(chronologically the first) was based on Sharadindu Bandopadhyay's eponymous
novel, having the detective Byomkesh Bakshi (titled Bannerjee in the film) as
the hero. Saumitra Chatterjee was the hero in the first two movies, while Uttam
Kumar was the hero in the third movie. Since both Byomkesh and Feluda openly
drew inspiration from Sherlock Holmes, claiming him as the "master", all the
movies mention Holmes at some point, and with lots of respect as well.

   Wishing luck to others regarding bringing more such instances to light,

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Dear Holmesians and Arun,
  I have  read the ," Exploits of Sherlock Holmes" written by Adrian
Conan Doyle and John Dickson Carr. I will not say that it is a great
book. The best among all patishches I havr read would be the  " The
Mandala of Sherlock Holmes" by Jamyang Norbu. I think most of the
members would concur with me on that
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians and Sri,
  Members would recall that I had suggested JK Rowling would be a
excellent choice to pen a  SH patische. It seems that hse is writing a
crime novel set in Edinburgh as the following extract from wikipedia
would suggest,
  "It has been reported that Rowling is currently working on a crime
novel set in Edinburgh, Scotland. Fellow Scottish author Ian Rankin is
quoted as saying that his wife has seen Rowling writing the novel in
Edinburgh cafés".
  I wish she tries her hand at a SH patische!
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
I happened to see a malyalam movie , "No. 20 Madras Mail" which is
about a murder committed on a running train, something on the lines
of, " Murder on the Orient Express". One of the characters is a
detective fiction writer, who at one juncture mentions about Sherlock
Holmes. Imagine the influence of Sherlock Holmes on murder mystery. He
mentions SH and no one else!Can readers come up with similar instances
in regional films where some reference or homage is paid to the Master
Sumalsn

Dear Ramanan and Holmesians,
  That most certainly clears up the mystery.Thanks,Ramanan for your
answer. You are a Tamilian , I presume?
Sumalsn

I mentioned earlier that a small group of us were going to see The Hound of
the Baskervilles by a group of strolling players called Illyria
(www.illyria.uk.com <http://www.illyria.uk.com/> ) and we went to it last
Sunday.  The weather was absolutely wonderful, strong warm sun all day,
right through the evening.  This was just as well because the play took
place at Bodiam Castle, a ruin of a beautiful ‘domestic castle’ built around
1400 in the modern era.  The castle ruin is open to the skies and surrounded
by a moat with ducks and large fish etc.  About 450 people attended, mostly
adults, and each had to pay Sterling £15 – about 30 US dollars, so it wasn’t
cheap even by England’s standards these days.

I had not fully realised it but the strolling players rather spoofed the
story, though they kept to the script well. Several male parts were played
by the two women, indicating this by wearing a huge false moustache.  The
staging was done with the absolute minimum of furniture, for example the
first attachment shows Holmes and Watson in a pony and trap, the trap being
indicated by the umbrella and the thing pulled by an invisible pony with an
actor off-stage smacking two half-coconuts together for a very realistic
horses-hooves sound.

The second attachment shows the castle from the entrance during the interval
when we escaped to the toilet or to stretch legs.

The third attachment shows the setting and stage inside the castle before
the play commenced.  The Illyria actors – three men two women – had
performed down on the Isle of Wight that same morning, then driven for 5
hours to East Sussex, and then erected the stage before the play started.

The fourth attachment shows one of the women – on the right – playing a
man’s role – the criminal - while Dr Watson (blue jacket) does his best to
analyse what’s going on.  The criminal is the same actor who is the driver
of the carriage in attachment one.

In the programme (on sale at a further Sterling £3 !!!) it notes that the
whole of ‘The Hound’ is filled with references to the canine world – every
scene contains some sort of reference – people are ‘hounded’ or ‘dogged’,
mention is made of dog-carts and ‘iron-dogs’ (what’s that?), even,
apparently, the sharp jagged twin peak of Dartmoor refers to canine teeth.

I reckon Sumal and members of the Society in India ought to form a group of
strolling players like this and put on Sherlock Holmes’ plays in the old
Maharajas’ palaces.



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Hi
Here is a link that will solve your mystery:
http://www.trussel.com/detfic/sholmes.htm#GB
Regards
Ramanan

sumalsn wrote:
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> I heard that the Royal Mail had issued stamps on Harry Potter. Did the
> Royal Mail issue stamps on SH ? If yes, when?
> Sumalsn
>
>

Dear Holmesians,
I heard that the Royal Mail had issued stamps on Harry Potter. Did the
Royal Mail issue stamps on SH ? If yes, when?
Sumalsn

Dear Arun,
Welcome aboard. We recognize a true fan when we see one.We are the
best Indian Society disussing SH and we intend to stay that way.
Thanks for the introduction and keep posting!
Sumalsn

Ah, yes. The "inverted" detective story was pioneered by R Austin Freeman,
who wrote the stories about Dr Thorndyke. The first was 1908, I think.
Freeman based his detective on the parent of modern forensics, Bernard
Spilsbury. His point was that the reader was interested not in the mystery,
but in the detection. Much like the "CSI" TV series in that respect.

cheers,

Jeff
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>
>2.1. Re: Rules of Detective Fiction
>     Posted by: "Tim Symonds" tim.symonds@...
>     Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:37 pm
>
>There was an interesting television series made in the US which was
>broadcast here in the UK a few years back, about a detective in
>(presumably)
>California who wore a dirty mackintosh raincoat and drove an unreliable old
>Peugeot 404 (I think it was a Peugeot).  The hallmark of the series was the
>viewer was shown very early on who the murderer was, and we then watched
>how
>the detective worked his way to getting a confession.  Although this is the
>exact opposite of most detective stories, it still maintained the viewers'
>interest right the way through as we waited for 'divine retribution' in the
>form of an arrest.
>
>
>   _____
>
>From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
>[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of
>arun.pkumar@...
>Sent: 26 July 2007 05:53
>To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
>Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Rules of Detective Fiction
>
>
>
>Majority of the novels in the Golden Age period struck to these rules
>and the popular authors have been very successful in using these rules
>and playing fair at the same time with the reader.
>
>Sometimes, it gets too dull or banal to be using all the rules. So comes
>a twist where in one of the rules is tweaked or completely ignored but
>all the remaining rules are intact! Even though the critics scoff at
>this deviation, my minor observation is that it's these books where a
>rule or rules have been ignored which have gone on to attract a lot of
>reader attention and have become more famous than the others. Agatha
>Christie was a fitting example for it. She just loved to break the rules
>and yet play fair. Trying to point out things without giving out the
>solutions. For ex:
>1. Agatha Christie's The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd - Where she does away
>with the most basic precept of Detective fiction.
>A lot of critics puh-hued the book but it's still considered her most
>famous work?
>2. The Murder on the Orinet Express - How many books have an ending of
>that sort!
>3. Hercule Piorot's Christmas - Again a break from the normal(Christie
>claims that she did it to please her grand-daughter - to make it
>impossible to guess the murderer) though the same has been tried in one
>of the earlier classics - The Mystery of the Yellow Room by Gaston
>Leroux - this latter book being hailed by John Dickson Carr as the best
>detective novel ever written.
>4. To over come the rule of the crime HAVING to be a murder, she used
>the ingenious idea of having 2 or 3 deaths and still having only 1
>murderer(with or without an accomplice) and make 1 or even 2 deaths out
>of the 3 as suicides or accidents. Taken at the flood and Death on the
>Nile are two fitting examples of this if I remember correctly.
>
>The list is endless as each author would at one time or the other be
>tempted to break one of the traditional rules and make the book more
>interesting. However, as Ellery Queen or JDC puts it, the single most
>important rule which needs to be adhered to is the fact that the
>denouement and the explanation given by the author should be such that
>the things could've happened in only THAT ONE WAY and NO OTHER WAY and
>prove beyond doubt that all the other redherrings & clues couldn't have
>been construed in any other way to arrive at any different ending other
>the one provided! If the author can render such an ending, then the job
>has been done for me. It's always this question asked by the reader "AH!
>Why couldn't it have happened this way?" (if it remains unanswered by
>the author), that troubles the reader and encourages him to brand the
>book as a not so good one!
>
>It's this quality that is inherent in Sherlcok Holmes Stories - the
>ending just can't happen in any other way as it's so lucidly explained
>by SH in the end - every single time. This quality in a way overcomes
>all the other trivial deviations of the golden rules - if any.
>
>A very interesting topic for any detective fiction fan. Keep it up guys.
>
>/Arun.
>
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>tyofIndia@...
>[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocie
><mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia%40yahoogroups.co.in>
>tyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of
>Nikhil Prasad Ojha
>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:47 AM
>To: SherlockHolmesSocie
><mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia%40yahoogroups.co.in>
>tyofIndia@...
>Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Rules of Detective
>Fiction
>
>As illustrated by the events and denouement of my favourite story, many
>of these 'rules' don't always work.
>
>Nikhil
>
>*"...[I]f it should ever strike you that I am getting a little
>over-confident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it
>deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely
>obliged to you."
>*
>
>On 7/25/07, pinaki roy <monkaroy@yahoo. <mailto:monkaroy%40yahoo.com> com>
>wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sherlockians,
> >
> >
> > Having had read Arun's and Tim's letter regarding the detective
> > fiction authors' not giving a clue to what is rally going to happen, I
>
> > feel that here we may as well remember the Twenty Golden Rules of
> > Detective Fiction that S.S.Van Dine proposed in 1928. Almost all of
> > these were followed by Arthur Conan Doyle in his Sherlock Holmes
>stories.
> >
> > Tzvetan Todorov
> > thus sums up in "The Typology of Detective Fiction" (included in "The
> > Murder of Roger Ackroyd: A Collection of Critical Essays". Ed.
> > Nilanjana Gupta. New
> > Delhi: Worldview, 2001. Pp. 50-1) the twenty rules of detective
> > fiction
> > writing:
> >
> >
> > The novel must have at most one detective and one criminal, and at
> > least one victim (a corpse)
> > The culprit must not be a professional criminal, must not be the
> > detective, and must kill for personal reasons
> > Love has no place in detective fiction
> > The culprit must have a certain importance - (a) in life: not be a
> > butler or a chambermaid (b) in the book: must be one of the main
>characters
> > Everything must be explained rationally
> > There is no place for detailed descriptions, nor for psychological
> > analyses
> > With regard to information about the story, the following homology
> > must be observed - author: reader = criminal: detective
> > Banal situations and solutions must be avoided.
> >
> > If an author adheres to the Golden Rules, s/he cannot reveal anything
> > significant about the plot or identity of the criminal until at the
> > end of the story.
> >
> > I am waiting to hear comments from other eminent Sherlockians
> > regarding this.
> >
> >
> > Thanking you,
> >
> > Yours sincerely,
> >
> > (Pinaki Roy)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Tim and other SHians,

   Isn't that what was being said about Die Hard? Willis nevertheless is back
with his "yippee-ka-yay" stuff and what's more there is talk already about a 5th
instalment.

   Holmes did not then have the advantage of world fame back then as Harry Potter
has now. The latter has technology to thank for (apart from his wand, of course)
as a major factor in his world-wide popularity. Besides, Sir ACD had to contend
mainly with adults, who are easier to reason with, while Ms. Rowling ... I guess
only Time will tell.


   Sridhar

Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
           I haven't looked at the seventh and 'final' JK Rowling but I believe
she has
bumped off a significant character. I wonder if in the future the demand
for her to bring this character back to life will be as great as the demand
for ACD to bring back SH?

From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of sridhar
C
Sent: 26 July 2007 14:03
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Ms. Rowling?

LOL, Sumal. She has just finished off (or has she?) one of her major
headaches and you expect her to start off on another?!!

Sridhar

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I suppose Ms JK Rowling would have been a good choice. She is expected
to be free too!
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There was an interesting television series made in the US which was
broadcast here in the UK a few years back, about a detective in (presumably)
California who wore a dirty mackintosh raincoat and drove an unreliable old
Peugeot 404 (I think it was a Peugeot).  The hallmark of the series was the
viewer was shown very early on who the murderer was, and we then watched how
the detective worked his way to getting a confession.  Although this is the
exact opposite of most detective stories, it still maintained the viewers'
interest right the way through as we waited for 'divine retribution' in the
form of an arrest.


   _____

From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of
arun.pkumar@...
Sent: 26 July 2007 05:53
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Rules of Detective Fiction



Majority of the novels in the Golden Age period struck to these rules
and the popular authors have been very successful in using these rules
and playing fair at the same time with the reader.

Sometimes, it gets too dull or banal to be using all the rules. So comes
a twist where in one of the rules is tweaked or completely ignored but
all the remaining rules are intact! Even though the critics scoff at
this deviation, my minor observation is that it's these books where a
rule or rules have been ignored which have gone on to attract a lot of
reader attention and have become more famous than the others. Agatha
Christie was a fitting example for it. She just loved to break the rules
and yet play fair. Trying to point out things without giving out the
solutions. For ex:
1. Agatha Christie's The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd - Where she does away
with the most basic precept of Detective fiction.
A lot of critics puh-hued the book but it's still considered her most
famous work?
2. The Murder on the Orinet Express - How many books have an ending of
that sort!
3. Hercule Piorot's Christmas - Again a break from the normal(Christie
claims that she did it to please her grand-daughter - to make it
impossible to guess the murderer) though the same has been tried in one
of the earlier classics - The Mystery of the Yellow Room by Gaston
Leroux - this latter book being hailed by John Dickson Carr as the best
detective novel ever written.
4. To over come the rule of the crime HAVING to be a murder, she used
the ingenious idea of having 2 or 3 deaths and still having only 1
murderer(with or without an accomplice) and make 1 or even 2 deaths out
of the 3 as suicides or accidents. Taken at the flood and Death on the
Nile are two fitting examples of this if I remember correctly.

The list is endless as each author would at one time or the other be
tempted to break one of the traditional rules and make the book more
interesting. However, as Ellery Queen or JDC puts it, the single most
important rule which needs to be adhered to is the fact that the
denouement and the explanation given by the author should be such that
the things could've happened in only THAT ONE WAY and NO OTHER WAY and
prove beyond doubt that all the other redherrings & clues couldn't have
been construed in any other way to arrive at any different ending other
the one provided! If the author can render such an ending, then the job
has been done for me. It's always this question asked by the reader "AH!
Why couldn't it have happened this way?" (if it remains unanswered by
the author), that troubles the reader and encourages him to brand the
book as a not so good one!

It's this quality that is inherent in Sherlcok Holmes Stories - the
ending just can't happen in any other way as it's so lucidly explained
by SH in the end - every single time. This quality in a way overcomes
all the other trivial deviations of the golden rules - if any.

A very interesting topic for any detective fiction fan. Keep it up guys.

/Arun.

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From: SherlockHolmesSocie
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tyofIndia@...
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:47 AM
To: SherlockHolmesSocie
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tyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Rules of Detective
Fiction

As illustrated by the events and denouement of my favourite story, many
of these 'rules' don't always work.

Nikhil

*"...[I]f it should ever strike you that I am getting a little
over-confident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it
deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely
obliged to you."
*

On 7/25/07, pinaki roy <monkaroy@yahoo. <mailto:monkaroy%40yahoo.com> com>
wrote:
>
> Dear Sherlockians,
>
>
> Having had read Arun's and Tim's letter regarding the detective
> fiction authors' not giving a clue to what is rally going to happen, I

> feel that here we may as well remember the Twenty Golden Rules of
> Detective Fiction that S.S.Van Dine proposed in 1928. Almost all of
> these were followed by Arthur Conan Doyle in his Sherlock Holmes
stories.
>
> Tzvetan Todorov
> thus sums up in "The Typology of Detective Fiction" (included in "The
> Murder of Roger Ackroyd: A Collection of Critical Essays". Ed.
> Nilanjana Gupta. New
> Delhi: Worldview, 2001. Pp. 50-1) the twenty rules of detective
> fiction
> writing:
>
>
> The novel must have at most one detective and one criminal, and at
> least one victim (a corpse)
> The culprit must not be a professional criminal, must not be the
> detective, and must kill for personal reasons
> Love has no place in detective fiction
> The culprit must have a certain importance - (a) in life: not be a
> butler or a chambermaid (b) in the book: must be one of the main
characters
> Everything must be explained rationally
> There is no place for detailed descriptions, nor for psychological
> analyses
> With regard to information about the story, the following homology
> must be observed - author: reader = criminal: detective
> Banal situations and solutions must be avoided.
>
> If an author adheres to the Golden Rules, s/he cannot reveal anything
> significant about the plot or identity of the criminal until at the
> end of the story.
>
> I am waiting to hear comments from other eminent Sherlockians
> regarding this.
>
>
> Thanking you,
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> (Pinaki Roy)
>
>
>
>
>

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I haven't looked at the seventh and 'final' JK Rowling but I believe she has
bumped off a significant character.  I wonder if in the future the demand
for her to bring this character back to life will be as great as the demand
for ACD to bring back SH?

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C
Sent: 26 July 2007 14:03
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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Ms. Rowling?

LOL, Sumal. She has just finished off (or has she?) one of her major
headaches and you expect her to start off on another?!!


Sridhar

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to be free too!
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LOL, Sumal. She has just finished off (or has she?) one of her major headaches
and you expect her to start off on another?!!


   Sridhar

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Majority of the novels in the Golden Age period struck to these rules
and the popular authors have been very successful in using these rules
and playing fair at the same time with the reader.

Sometimes, it gets too dull or banal to be using all the rules. So comes
a twist where in one of the rules is tweaked or completely ignored but
all the remaining rules are intact! Even though the critics scoff at
this deviation, my minor observation is that it's these books where a
rule or rules have been ignored which have gone on to attract a lot of
reader attention and have become more famous  than the others. Agatha
Christie was a fitting example for it. She just loved to break the rules
and yet play fair. Trying to point out things without giving out the
solutions. For ex:
1. Agatha Christie's The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd - Where she does away
with the most basic precept of Detective fiction.
A lot of critics puh-hued the book but it's still considered her most
famous work?
2. The Murder on the Orinet Express - How many books have an ending of
that sort!
3. Hercule Piorot's Christmas - Again a break from the normal(Christie
claims that she did it to please her grand-daughter - to make it
impossible to guess the murderer) though the same has been tried in one
of the earlier classics - The Mystery of the Yellow Room by Gaston
Leroux - this latter book being hailed by John Dickson Carr as the best
detective novel ever written.
4. To over come the rule of the crime HAVING to be a murder, she used
the ingenious idea of having 2 or 3 deaths and still having only 1
murderer(with or without an accomplice) and make 1 or even 2 deaths out
of the 3 as suicides or accidents. Taken at the flood and Death on the
Nile are two fitting examples of this if I remember correctly.

The list is endless as each author would at one time or the other be
tempted to break one of the traditional rules and make the book more
interesting. However, as Ellery Queen or JDC puts it, the single most
important rule which needs to be adhered to is the fact that the
denouement and the explanation given by the author should be such that
the things could've happened in only THAT ONE WAY and NO OTHER WAY and
prove beyond doubt that all the other redherrings & clues couldn't have
been construed in any other way to arrive at any different ending other
the one provided! If the author can render such an ending, then the job
has been done for me. It's always this question asked by the reader "AH!
Why couldn't it have happened this way?" (if it remains unanswered by
the author), that troubles the reader and encourages him to brand the
book as a not so good one!

It's this quality that is inherent in Sherlcok Holmes Stories - the
ending just can't happen in any other way as it's so lucidly explained
by SH in the end - every single time. This quality in a way overcomes
all the other trivial deviations of the golden rules - if any.

A very interesting topic for any detective fiction fan. Keep it up guys.

/Arun.




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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of
Nikhil Prasad Ojha
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:47 AM
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Rules of Detective
Fiction

As illustrated by the events and denouement of my favourite story, many
of these 'rules' don't always work.

Nikhil

*"...[I]f it should ever strike you that I am getting a little
over-confident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it
deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely
obliged to you."
*

On 7/25/07, pinaki roy <monkaroy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sherlockians,
>
>
> Having had read Arun's and Tim's letter regarding the detective
> fiction authors' not giving a clue to what is rally going to happen, I

> feel that here we may as well remember the Twenty Golden Rules of
> Detective Fiction that S.S.Van Dine proposed in 1928. Almost all of
> these were followed by Arthur Conan Doyle in his Sherlock Holmes
stories.
>
>                                                    Tzvetan Todorov
> thus sums up in "The Typology of Detective Fiction" (included in "The
> Murder of Roger Ackroyd: A Collection of Critical Essays". Ed.
> Nilanjana Gupta. New
> Delhi: Worldview, 2001. Pp. 50-1) the twenty rules of detective
> fiction
> writing:
>
>
>   The novel must have at most one detective and one criminal, and at
> least one victim (a corpse)
>   The culprit must not be a professional criminal, must not be the
> detective, and must kill for personal reasons
>   Love has no place in detective fiction
>   The culprit must have a certain importance - (a) in life: not be a
> butler or a chambermaid  (b) in the book: must be one of the main
characters
>   Everything must be explained rationally
>   There is no place for detailed descriptions, nor for psychological
> analyses
>   With regard to information about the story, the following homology
> must be observed - author: reader = criminal: detective
>   Banal situations and solutions must be avoided.
>
> If an author adheres to the Golden Rules, s/he cannot reveal anything
> significant about the plot or identity of the criminal until at the
> end of the story.
>
> I am waiting to hear comments from other eminent Sherlockians
> regarding this.
>
>
> Thanking you,
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> (Pinaki Roy)
>
>
>
>
>


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As illustrated by the events and denouement of my favourite story, many of
these 'rules' don't always work.

Nikhil

*"...[I]f it should ever strike you that I am getting a little
over-confident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it
deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely
obliged to you."
*

On 7/25/07, pinaki roy <monkaroy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sherlockians,
>
>
> Having had read Arun's and Tim's letter regarding the detective fiction
> authors' not giving a clue to what is rally going to happen, I feel that
> here we may as well remember the Twenty Golden Rules of Detective Fiction
> that S.S.Van Dine proposed in 1928. Almost all of these were followed by
> Arthur Conan Doyle in his Sherlock Holmes stories.
>
>                                                    Tzvetan Todorov thus
> sums up in "The Typology of Detective Fiction" (included in "The Murder of
> Roger Ackroyd: A Collection of Critical Essays". Ed. Nilanjana Gupta. New
> Delhi: Worldview, 2001. Pp. 50-1) the twenty rules of detective fiction
> writing:
>
>
>   The novel must have at most one detective and one criminal, and at least
> one victim (a corpse)
>   The culprit must not be a professional criminal, must not be the
> detective, and must kill for personal reasons
>   Love has no place in detective fiction
>   The culprit must have a certain importance – (a) in life: not be a
> butler or a chambermaid  (b) in the book: must be one of the main characters
>   Everything must be explained rationally
>   There is no place for detailed descriptions, nor for psychological
> analyses
>   With regard to information about the story, the following homology must
> be observed – author: reader = criminal: detective
>   Banal situations and solutions must be avoided.
>
> If an author adheres to the Golden Rules, s/he cannot reveal anything
> significant about the plot or identity of the criminal until at the end of
> the story.
>
> I am waiting to hear comments from other eminent Sherlockians regarding
> this.
>
>
> Thanking you,
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> (Pinaki Roy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Sherlockians,


   Having had read Arun’s and Tim's letter regarding the detective fiction
authors' not giving a clue to what is rally going to happen, I feel that here we
may as well remember the Twenty Golden Rules of Detective Fiction that S.S.Van
Dine proposed in 1928. Almost all of these were followed by Arthur Conan Doyle
in his Sherlock Holmes stories.

                                                     Tzvetan Todorov thus sums up
in “The Typology of Detective Fiction” (included in “The Murder of Roger
Ackroyd: A Collection of Critical Essays”. Ed. Nilanjana Gupta. New Delhi:
Worldview, 2001. Pp. 50-1) the twenty rules of detective fiction writing:


    The novel must have at most one detective and one criminal, and at least one
victim (a corpse)
    The culprit must not be a professional criminal, must not be the detective,
and must kill for personal reasons
    Love has no place in detective fiction
    The culprit must have a certain importance – (a) in life: not be a butler or
a chambermaid  (b) in the book: must be one of the main characters
    Everything must be explained rationally
    There is no place for detailed descriptions, nor for psychological analyses
    With regard to information about the story, the following homology must be
observed – author: reader = criminal: detective
    Banal situations and solutions must be avoided.

   If an author adheres to the Golden Rules, s/he cannot reveal anything
significant about the plot or identity of the criminal until at the end of the
story.

   I am waiting to hear comments from other eminent Sherlockians regarding this.


   Thanking you,

   Yours sincerely,

   (Pinaki Roy)






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Arun's point about authors playing it fair with the reader is a good one.
There is a lot of detective fiction where the reader really has no chance of
guessing ahead of the denouement who is the crook or killer.  When I was
around 15 I was in Dorset in the west of England and I was given sixpence
each Sunday to go to Sunday School.  Instead of attending the Sunday School
I would buy a threepenny 'horror' - a single story of about 75 pages - and
pay a further thruppence to sit on the Weymouth Pier while the band played
and I read the story.  I still remember a Sherlock Holmes where there were
no real clues all the way through the plot until the very last page where
Holmes took Watson (with his Webley pistol, was it?) to an attic and they
sat there in the dark, waiting.  At midnight a figure appeared at the
skylight and when he jumped down into the attic he was arrested by Watson.
Holmes then declared this was the brother of the victim.  The crooked
brother had long since gone to Australia but had returned to bump off his
brother and thereby inherit money.  There was absolutely no indication all
through the plot that a brother existed.

Poor writing.
   _____

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To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Digest Number 884


Ok. Here goes:

I'm a 28 year old male S/W Engineer from Bangalore. My hobbies include
reading, travelling & photography. I started off crime fiction with Agatha
Christie when I was only 15 yrs old and have been hooked to it ever since.
After finishing off the complete collections of Christie, Erle Stanley
Gardner & Conan Doyle, it was time to explore other authors. I started
concentrating on the authors who were flourishing in the period known as the
Golden Age of Detective Fiction. The books published during this time - they
were all of a very high calibre with tightly knit intricate plots and at the
same time playing very fair with the readers. In the sense that all the
clues were given to the reader and the reader could arrive at the identity
of the murderer through a very logical reasoning process and understanding
of the clues. Ellery Queen and John Dickson Carr were the greatest exponents
of this art. It's this thrill of arriving at the murderer - outguessing the
author- which hooked the people of the Victorian era and which certainly
made me get hooked to it. I next went on a massive hunt for the books which
were written during this period - as many are out of print and certainly out
of publication in India! Over the span of last 6 years I've visited some of
the best second hand book stores throughout India - where one can find the
books written by these authors and to this day I've a collection of around
300 books. Of these 300, my focus has been mainly on the 2 authors that I've
mentioned above and till date I've 35 of the 42 odd Ellery Queen novels but
John Dickson Carr has been more elusive in the sense that I've only around
18 out of the 100 odd books he wrote! The hunt is still on. For those who
need an introduction to the golden age of detective fiction, I'd suggest the
link http://home. <http://home.aol.com/MG4273/classics.htm>
aol.com/MG4273/classics.htm

That's it from me. Would like to hear from the other members who have
similar tastes.

/Arun.


>Dear Arun,
>Welcome aboard. Please introduce yourself and keep on posting
>informative posts like that.
>Sumalsn

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Ok. Here goes:

I'm a 28 year old male S/W Engineer from Bangalore. My hobbies include  reading,
travelling & photography. I started off crime fiction with Agatha Christie when
I was only 15 yrs old and have been hooked to it ever since. After finishing off
the complete collections of Christie, Erle Stanley Gardner & Conan Doyle, it was
time to explore other authors. I started concentrating on the authors who were
flourishing in the period known as the Golden Age of Detective Fiction. The
books published during this time - they were all of a very high calibre with
tightly knit intricate plots and at the same time playing very fair with the
readers. In the sense that all the clues were given to the reader and the reader
could arrive at the identity of the murderer through a very logical reasoning
process and understanding of the clues. Ellery Queen and John Dickson Carr were
the greatest exponents of this art. It's this thrill of arriving at the murderer
- outguessing the author- which hooked the people of the Victorian era and which
certainly made me get hooked to it. I next went on a massive hunt for the books
which were written during this period - as many are out of print and certainly
out of publication in India! Over the span of last 6 years I've visited some of
the best second hand book stores throughout India - where one can find the books
written by these authors and to this day I've a collection of around 300 books.
Of these 300, my focus has been mainly on the 2 authors that I've mentioned
above and till date I've 35 of the 42 odd Ellery Queen novels but John Dickson
Carr has been more elusive in the sense that I've only around 18 out of the 100
odd books he wrote! The hunt is still on. For those who need an introduction to
the golden age of detective fiction, I'd suggest the link
http://home.aol.com/MG4273/classics.htm

That's it from me. Would like to hear from the other members who have similar
tastes.

/Arun.


>Dear Arun,
>Welcome aboard. Please introduce yourself and keep on posting
>informative posts like that.
>Sumalsn



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This is wonderful information and many thanks to Arun for sending it.  I
like the idea of Trincomalee at the end of the information - there is a now
nearly overgrown British cemetery near the waterfront in Trincomalee which
could perhaps figure in any Sherlock produced by the Society?  It is filled
with the graves of young British sailors who died of cholera and other
diseases in the 18th and 19th Centuries.



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To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 884


My mail came up blank - maybe becoz of the attachments. Adding links in
the mail instead of the attachemnts.

I joined this group just a few days back and am yet to go through the
previous mails. Saw these recent mails and thought I'd reply to this
one.

Holmes, while explaining his disappearance to Watson describes thus:

"I travelled for two years in Tibet, therefore, and amused myself by
visiting Lhassa, and spending some days with the head lama. You may have
read of the remarkable explorations of a Norwegian named Sigerson, but I
am sure that it never occurred to you that you were receiving news of
your friend. I then passed through Persia, looked in at Mecca, and paid
a short but interesting visit to the Khalifa at Khartoum the results of
which I have communicated to the Foreign Office. Returning to France, I
spent some months in a research into the coal-tar derivatives, which I
conducted in a laboratory at Montpellier, in the south of France."

There have been a lot of books & Anthlogies that feature Holmes in all
these places.

JAMYANG NORBU's The Mandala of Sherlock Holmes which came out in 2000,
follows Holmes from north across the hot and dusty plains of India to
Simla, summer capital of the British Raj, and over the high passes to
the vast emptiness of the Tibetan plateau & Lhasa.

Anne Jordan's "I Looked in at Mecca" gives an insight into Sherlock
Holmes' visit to Mecca. It also has an illustrated pamphlet with a map
of Holmes' route from Baghdad.

Jake & Luke Thoene's THE JEWELLED PEACOCK OF PERSIA should reflect
Holmes Explots in Persia.

I've attached a word document titled "A Norwegian named Sigerson" to
shed some light on Holmes reference to Sigerson in the above paragraph.
The link is:
www.msi.vxu.se/users/nivre/sps/sigerson.html

Have also attached a PDF file titled "SH in Khartoum" - an article by
Margaret Nydell giving a brief overvire of Holmes Escapades in the
countires of Egypt &
Sudan though the 2 years refreed to by Nydel is different from the 2
years hiatus of SH which we are concerned with. Here is the link:
www.bakerstreetjournal.com/images/SH%20in%20Khartoum%20-%20Nydell.pdf

The Annotated Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle edited by William S.
Baring-Gould must be the best book to have shed light of this very
mysterious period.Here is an extract from the net:

In the over 1500 pages of The Annotated Sherlock Holmes are over a
hundred pages of introductory material, informative and entertaining in
its own right. There is interstitial discussion amounting to some forty
pages, on topics ranging from poisonous snakes to chronological
disputes.
Two of these analyses are:
The situation of Holmes after his use of ju-jitsu at the Reichenbach
Falls disappearance, perhaps including visits to Lhassa, Mecca, and
Khartoum before Watson's reunion with Holmes as a disguised bookseller
in Kensington in 1894;
and
Dr. Watson's wounding on Army service in Afghanistan in 1880, described
with apparent contradiction in different stories.

Trincomalee (Sri Lanka) is a new one.Yet to be explored. Would love to
hear more about the same from other members.

/Arun.

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He spent time in Trincomalee (Sri Lanka) and Lhasa (Tibet), as far as I
remember. And of course, the Mandala of Sherlock Holmes is perhaps the
best
of the pastiches that I have read.
Nikhil

On 7/22/07, Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@ <mailto:tim.symonds%40shevolution.com>
shevolution.com
<mailto:tim.symonds%40shevolution.com> > wrote:
>
> Ideally from the Society's point of view the plot should bring
Sherlock
> Holmes out to South Asia, perhaps with Dr Watson showing him his old
> military posts. I can't recall but when Holmes reappeared to
everyone's
> surprise after his apparent death at the Falls, didn't he say he had
spent
> several years in South Asia - was it Afghanistan, or?
> _____
>
>

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Dear Arun,
Welcome aboard. Please introduce yourself and keep on posting
informative posts like that.
Sumalsn

My mail came up blank - maybe becoz of the attachments. Adding links in
the mail instead of      the attachemnts.

I joined this group just a few days back and am yet to go through the
previous mails. Saw these recent mails and thought I'd reply to this
one.

Holmes, while explaining his disappearance to Watson describes thus:

"I travelled for two years in Tibet, therefore, and amused myself by
visiting Lhassa, and spending some days with the head lama. You may have
read of the remarkable explorations of a Norwegian named Sigerson, but I
am sure that it never occurred to you that you were receiving news of
your friend. I then passed through Persia, looked in at Mecca, and paid
a short but interesting visit to the Khalifa at Khartoum the results of
which I have communicated to the Foreign Office. Returning to France, I
spent some months in a research into the coal-tar derivatives, which I
conducted in a laboratory at Montpellier, in the south of France."

There have been a lot of books & Anthlogies that feature Holmes in all
these places.

JAMYANG NORBU's The Mandala of Sherlock Holmes which came out in 2000,
follows Holmes from north across the hot and dusty plains of India to
Simla, summer capital of the British Raj, and over the high passes to
the vast emptiness of the Tibetan plateau & Lhasa.

Anne Jordan's "I Looked in at Mecca" gives an insight into Sherlock
Holmes' visit to Mecca. It also has an illustrated pamphlet with a map
of Holmes' route from Baghdad.

Jake & Luke Thoene's THE JEWELLED PEACOCK OF PERSIA should reflect
Holmes Explots in Persia.

I've attached a word document titled "A Norwegian named Sigerson" to
shed some light on Holmes reference to Sigerson in the above paragraph.
The link is:
www.msi.vxu.se/users/nivre/sps/sigerson.html

Have also attached a PDF file titled "SH in Khartoum" - an article by
Margaret Nydell giving a brief overvire of Holmes Escapades in the
countires of Egypt &
Sudan though the 2 years refreed to by Nydel is different from the 2
years hiatus of SH which we are concerned with. Here is the link:
www.bakerstreetjournal.com/images/SH%20in%20Khartoum%20-%20Nydell.pdf

The Annotated Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle edited by William S.
Baring-Gould must be the best book to have shed light of this very
mysterious period.Here is an extract from the net:

In the over 1500 pages of The Annotated Sherlock Holmes are over a
hundred pages of introductory material, informative and entertaining in
its own right. There is interstitial discussion amounting to some forty
pages, on topics ranging from poisonous snakes to chronological
disputes.
Two of these analyses are:
The situation of Holmes after his use of ju-jitsu at the Reichenbach
Falls disappearance, perhaps including visits to Lhassa, Mecca, and
Khartoum before Watson's reunion with Holmes as a disguised bookseller
in Kensington in 1894;
and
Dr. Watson's wounding on Army service in Afghanistan in 1880, described
with apparent contradiction in different stories.

Trincomalee (Sri Lanka) is a new one.Yet to be explored. Would love to
hear more about the same from other members.

/Arun.


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Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 884



He spent time in Trincomalee (Sri Lanka) and Lhasa (Tibet), as far as I
remember. And of course, the Mandala of Sherlock Holmes is perhaps the
best
of the pastiches that I have read.
Nikhil

On 7/22/07, Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...
<mailto:tim.symonds%40shevolution.com> > wrote:
>
> Ideally from the Society's point of view the plot should bring
Sherlock
> Holmes out to South Asia, perhaps with Dr Watson showing him his old
> military posts. I can't recall but when Holmes reappeared to
everyone's
> surprise after his apparent death at the Falls, didn't he say he had
spent
> several years in South Asia - was it Afghanistan, or?
> _____
>
>

.

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He spent time in Trincomalee (Sri Lanka) and Lhasa (Tibet), as far as I
remember. And of course, the Mandala of Sherlock Holmes is perhaps the best
of the pastiches that I have read.
Nikhil

On 7/22/07, Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
>
> Ideally from the Society's point of view the plot should bring Sherlock
> Holmes out to South Asia, perhaps with Dr Watson showing him his old
> military posts.  I can't recall but when Holmes reappeared to everyone's
> surprise after his apparent death at the Falls, didn't he say he had spent
> several years in South Asia - was it Afghanistan, or?
> _____
>
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> Sent: 15 July 2007 04:13
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> Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 884
>
> Dear Tim and Holmesians,
> It may be made more contemporary- Probably we may think of using
> current events as the background!
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