Dear Holmesians,
  Here's wishing all of you a very happy Diwali!
Sumalsn

Hi All,

I think that cocaine was an accepted drug during SH's
days, insomuch that doctors of that time used to
prescribe them for pain relief. So SH being a coke
user would not have unduly concerned Watson nor the
general public.

On the other hand, if sniffing coke was commonplace,
then why did Watson write about it in the first place?
  I mean, its like saying someone today enjoys Red Bull
- its not really noteworthy in that context.

A conundrum worth solving!

Regards,
Jinesh
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> Dear Sumal and Holmesians,
>
>   From what I understand, all of what Dr. Watson
> wrote for the reading public was written with the
> blessings of, and probably after being edited by,
> Holmes. Remember Holmes telling Watson at one point
> to write about a particular adventure? So if an
> indiscretion, like the coke habit, or some
> eccentricity was mentioned it must have been with
> Holmes' concurrence. As far as embarrassment is
> concerned, Holmes was, for the most part, way beyond
> such trivial human weaknesses. What say you?
>
>
>   Sridhar
>   PS: Besides, Watson seems very much like the usual
> reserved Britisher regardless of his origins, the
> sort who wouldn't wash anyone's linen in public...or
> am I wrong?
>
> sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>           Dear Holmesians,
> Don't you think that Dr Watson was slightly discreet
> in revealing that
> Sherlock Holmes was a cocaine user? I am sure, this
> would have
> embarassed SH no end!
> Sumalsn
>
>
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Dear Sumal and Holmesians,

   From what I understand, all of what Dr. Watson wrote for the reading public
was written with the blessings of, and probably after being edited by, Holmes.
Remember Holmes telling Watson at one point to write about a particular
adventure? So if an indiscretion, like the coke habit, or some eccentricity was
mentioned it must have been with Holmes' concurrence. As far as embarrassment is
concerned, Holmes was, for the most part, way beyond such trivial human
weaknesses. What say you?


   Sridhar
   PS: Besides, Watson seems very much like the usual reserved Britisher
regardless of his origins, the sort who wouldn't wash anyone's linen in
public...or am I wrong?

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
           Dear Holmesians,
Don't you think that Dr Watson was slightly discreet in revealing that
Sherlock Holmes was a cocaine user? I am sure, this would have
embarassed SH no end!
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It's an interesting thought that maybe Watson after many years in India took
on something of an Indian accent.  What would be very likely is he would
have picked up Indian words, just as the 'Tommies' did, as shown in
Kipling's works.  Of course Kipling lived in India and worked there as a
journalist.  I don't know what relationship ACD had with India, so he may
not have been as familiar with 'anglo-Indian' expressions except those quite
widely catching on in England itself, from the returning British.  Are there
any Indian words or phrases in the Canon?
Indian words spread very widely as the British left India and many did not
want to return to Britain's climate and especially not to the immediate
post-War austerity Britain was undergoing to try to recover from the
incredible cost of helping fight Hitler and the Japanese.  I remember when I
was in East Africa, quite a lot of Indian words were in use, especially in
domestic situations such as Ayah for nursemaid, sometimes tiffin for tea,
dhobi-wallah for laundryman etc.

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To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] On Watson as a Scot



Dear Jeff and other Sherlockians,

The suggestion that John Hamish Watson, M.D ("late of the Army Medical
Department") was a Scot and spoke in Scottish accent is interesting and may
open up the question whether Arthur Conan Doyle created the surgeon as a
part of his own self-projection. If so, Watson was a Scot, as was his
creator, and as Jeff has pointed out, the very middle name 'Hamish' sounds
Scottish enough. Holmes's associate was, in fact, drawn on (the real life
member of the Southsea Literary and Scientific Society) Dr. James Elmwood
Watson, M.D (from Edinburgh), though Watson's physical appearance - very
briefly referred to in "The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton" - was
possibly resembling Doyle's First World War acquaintance Major Alfred Wood.
Both being Scottish, it is likely that Watson himself was a Scot and spoke
Scottish. William S. Baring-Gould, in the first volume of "The Annotated
Sherlock Holmes" (New York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1967), has mentioned at
least six striking
similarities between Watson and Doyle to strike home his idea that Watson
was a Scot, and Doyle's self-projection. What do the other Sherlockians say
regarding this?

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Dear Holmesians,

   In "The Man With The Twisted Lip" the story unfolds in an Opium Den, with
Watson entering the infamous territory to save Isa Whitney, whose wife had
earlier begged for his assistance, and where he encounters Sherlock Holmes in a
most dramatic fashion.

   Also, in "Silver Blaze" John Straker had put the stable boy to deep slumber by
applying opium powder in curried mutton, to smoothen his 'operation'.

   These are the two instances which leaped to my mind, there may be several
others where opium usage plays a crucial role.

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I'm not sure of the Victorian context of using opium.  Certainly it was
legal or at least widely permitted, with opium parlours often run by
Chinese.  You went in, paid ahead of time for the amount of pipes you
wanted, settled in on a bed and began to smoke, staying there until you had
finished all the pipes and slept off the drug.  Nevertheless, there was a
considerable element in the English 'upper crust' who felt that using opium
was an immoral and bad thing, and looked down on such users.  I certainly
don't recall any of Holmes' clients being aware he used opium but perhaps
others recall an occasion where the subject came up?


   _____

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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] How discreet was Dr Watson?



Dear Holmesians,
Don't you think that Dr Watson was slightly discreet in revealing that
Sherlock Holmes was a cocaine user? I am sure, this would have
embarassed SH no end!
Sumalsn






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Dear Holmesians,
Don't you think that Dr Watson was slightly discreet in revealing that
Sherlock Holmes was a cocaine user? I am sure, this would have
embarassed SH no end!
Sumalsn

Dear Tima and Holmesians,
He would have an Indian accent-long years in the Indian Army wpuld
have ensured that.Years in the tropics would have made him ill
tempered. He must have been that " Koi Hai" type of Army officer. He
seemed to have little sense of managing his finances- witness his
bank cheque being in the custody of Sherlock Holmes.
Sumalsn

If the evidence points to Watson being of Scottish birth and presumably
upbringing, it would follow that he may well have maintained a Scottish
'burr' his entire life.  My lengthy experience around the world encountering
wandering Scots in the most unlikely places is they never lose their Scots'
accent, whereas I've noticed the English do, mostly, if we English live
abroad a lot, for example in the USA.

Because of the Scots' history of large-scale emigration (some forced by
landowners in the 18th and 19th Centuries) the Scots scattered to the four
winds.  I remember being in a very isolated part of Kenya some years ago and
to my surprise a Scotsman had set up a small coca-cola stand in what to me
seemed the middle of nowhere as far as paying customers go.


   _____

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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] On Watson as a Scot



Dear Jeff and other Sherlockians,

The suggestion that John Hamish Watson, M.D ("late of the Army Medical
Department") was a Scot and spoke in Scottish accent is interesting and may
open up the question whether Arthur Conan Doyle created the surgeon as a
part of his own self-projection. If so, Watson was a Scot, as was his
creator, and as Jeff has pointed out, the very middle name 'Hamish' sounds
Scottish enough. Holmes's associate was, in fact, drawn on (the real life
member of the Southsea Literary and Scientific Society) Dr. James Elmwood
Watson, M.D (from Edinburgh), though Watson's physical appearance - very
briefly referred to in "The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton" - was
possibly resembling Doyle's First World War acquaintance Major Alfred Wood.
Both being Scottish, it is likely that Watson himself was a Scot and spoke
Scottish. William S. Baring-Gould, in the first volume of "The Annotated
Sherlock Holmes" (New York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1967), has mentioned at
least six striking
similarities between Watson and Doyle to strike home his idea that Watson
was a Scot, and Doyle's self-projection. What do the other Sherlockians say
regarding this?

(Pinaki Roy)

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Dear Sridhar and Sherlockians,

   Roger Moore was cast as Sherlock Holmes in the acclaimed 1976 American T.V
movie/film production "Sherlock Holmes in New York". Patrick Macnee was Dr.
Watson. The director was Boris Sagal. John Huston acted as Professor Moriarty
and Marjorie Bennett was Mrs. Hudson.

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Dear Jeff and other Sherlockians,

   The suggestion that John Hamish Watson, M.D (“late of the Army Medical
Department”) was a Scot and spoke in Scottish accent is interesting and may open
up the question whether Arthur Conan Doyle created the surgeon as a part of his
own self-projection. If so, Watson was a Scot, as was his creator, and as Jeff
has pointed out, the very middle name ‘Hamish’ sounds Scottish enough. Holmes’s
associate was, in fact, drawn on (the real life member of the Southsea Literary
and Scientific Society) Dr. James Elmwood Watson, M.D (from Edinburgh), though
Watson’s physical appearance – very briefly referred to in “The Adventure of
Charles Augustus Milverton” – was possibly resembling Doyle’s First World War
acquaintance Major Alfred Wood. Both being Scottish, it is likely that Watson
himself was a Scot and spoke Scottish. William S. Baring-Gould, in the first
volume of “The Annotated Sherlock Holmes” (New York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1967),
has mentioned at least six striking
  similarities between Watson and Doyle to strike home his idea that Watson was a
Scot, and Doyle’s self-projection. What do the other Sherlockians say regarding
this?

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Dear Pinaki,

   Interesting observations, as usual. But what surprised me was your mention of
Roger Moore as Holmes. Did this actually happen? I've known him as the Saint and
Bond, but as Holmes?


   Sridhar

pinaki roy <monkaroy@...> wrote:
           Dear Sherlockians,

This has reference to Tim’s very interesting and relevant question regarding
Watson’s accent. Considering the considerable length of time Watson has served
outside England and the harsh conditions he has had endured as an army-man, it
is most likely that his speech would not be like any general London-based
Englishman. It would be somewhat harsh and rough-sounding. May be there are, now
and then, a couple of oaths thrown in, and some occasional profanities, all
spoken out in a rather loud and commanding tone. It would also turn perplexed as
Holmes made his own points. It is a pity that we are not told from which region
of England has Watson hailed – I am not going into the question of whether
Watson is an Englishman at all, just like Leslie Klinger or William S.
Baring-Gould has suggested that Sherlock Holmes is an Irishman! It would then
have been easier to guess something about the surgeon’s accent.

As for Sumal’s question regarding the absence of Stamford, was it not because
Doyle did not want any other narrator for Holmes’s adventures than the bedazzled
and simple-minded Watson? Stamford, it appears in the very first Holmes story,
is a very worldly man, and he would have been more aware of Holmes’s and
Watson’s faults, unlike the always-self-depreciating surgeon. May be also…Doyle
did not want any narrator for another narrator – a Boswell for another Boswell!

Sumal, as for my posting on Jeremy Brett, it was entirely my own observation.
Brett is really a talented and versatile actor, and his 1984-6 portrayals have
been widely appreciated. However, Sherlock Holmes enactments by Basil Rathbone,
Ronald Howard, Peter Cushing, Roger Moore, Douglas Wilmer, and Geoffrey
Whitehead have had been – as far as the reviews go and the television series and
films reveal – more ‘livelier’, if I am allowed to use the term! What do the
other Sherlockians say regarding this?

And, finally, is it not high time that we published small details about our
Society or its web-address in leading dailies or wrote to editors about it?

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Dear Sumal and all the other Holmesians,

   There are characters who live until the very end and then there are characters
whose only scope is to die or be forgotten. One example is the hero's friend in
all our movies and novels - if he does not have a sweetheart/wife's photo in his
shirt pocket and hence does not die, does not turn Evil and hence the hero's
enemy, and is not the principal comedian - he just fades out of the picture. His
only job is to introduce the hero to the heroine/villian/close relative of the
heroine or help the hero in his avtar as a computer geek/nerd hacker or Q-type
weapons procurer...and disappear. More like a cameo. I guess Sir ACD just wanted
a link to introduce Holmes to the doctor and he got one in the form of Stamford.
Very convenient.


   Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
           Dear Holmesians,
Why did Stamford fade out of the canon after introducing SH to Dr
Watson? Why was his character not developed by Sir ACD, considering
the fact that quite a few associates of Holmes are recurring, i.e
Inspector Lestrade, Mrs Hudson, Dr watson himself etc.
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hello,

regarding Watson's voice, is it possible to imagine a Scottish accent? Some
scholars have suggested that Watson's family was Scottish, even that his middle
name was Hamish, the Scots equivalent of "James."

Anyone who has heard Conan Doyle's voice, preserved in a 1929 newsreel
interview, will have remarked on his accent. Perhaps Watson sounded much like
that.

Jeff


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Various Topics> Posted by: "pinaki roy" monkaroy@... monkaroy> Date: Fri
Oct 26, 2007 6:22 am>> Dear Sherlockians,>> This has reference to Tim’s very
interesting and relevant question regarding Watson’s accent. Considering the
considerable length of time Watson has served outside England and the harsh
conditions he has had endured as an army-man, it is most likely that his speech
would not be like any general London-based Englishman. It would be somewhat
harsh and rough-sounding. May be there are, now and then, a couple of oaths
thrown in, and some occasional profanities, all spoken out in a rather loud and
commanding tone. It would also turn perplexed as Holmes made his own points. It
is a pity that we are not told from which region of England has Watson hailed –
I am not going into the question of whether Watson is an Englishman at all, just
like Leslie Klinger or William S. Baring-Gould has suggested that Sherlock
Holmes is an Irishman! It would then have been easier to guess something about
the surgeon’s accent.
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   This has reference to Tim’s very interesting and relevant question regarding
Watson’s accent. Considering the considerable length of time Watson has served
outside England and the harsh conditions he has had endured as an army-man, it
is most likely that his speech would not be like any general London-based
Englishman. It would be somewhat harsh and rough-sounding. May be there are, now
and then, a couple of oaths thrown in, and some occasional profanities, all
spoken out in a rather loud and commanding tone. It would also turn perplexed as
Holmes made his own points. It is a pity that we are not told from which region
of England has Watson hailed – I am not going into the question of whether
Watson is an Englishman at all, just like Leslie Klinger or William S.
Baring-Gould has suggested that Sherlock Holmes is an Irishman! It would then
have been easier to guess something about the surgeon’s accent.

   As for Sumal’s question regarding the absence of Stamford, was it not because
Doyle did not want any other narrator for Holmes’s adventures than the bedazzled
and simple-minded Watson? Stamford, it appears in the very first Holmes story,
is a very worldly man, and he would have been more aware of Holmes’s and
Watson’s faults, unlike the always-self-depreciating surgeon. May be also…Doyle
did not want any narrator for another narrator – a Boswell for another Boswell!

   Sumal, as for my posting on Jeremy Brett, it was entirely my own observation.
Brett is really a talented and versatile actor, and his 1984-6 portrayals have
been widely appreciated. However, Sherlock Holmes enactments by Basil Rathbone,
Ronald Howard, Peter Cushing, Roger Moore, Douglas Wilmer, and Geoffrey
Whitehead have had been – as far as the reviews go and the television series and
films reveal – more ‘livelier’, if I am allowed to use the term! What do the
other Sherlockians say regarding this?

   And, finally, is it not high time that we published small details about our
Society or its web-address in leading dailies or wrote to editors about it?

   (Pinaki Roy)

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Dear Holmesians,

   While Sir Doyle had never brought back Stamford into the canon, some of the
pastiches do him credit, most notably "The Seven Percent Solution" where he
plays a very crucial role in terms of helping Watson and Holmes.

   The recurring characters were very much part of the entire Holmesian diorama,
but Stamford, with his curt & rapid assessment of Holmes as an essentially
eccentric person at the very outset, would not have fit into it. Also, with the
dependable Watson present to provide medical insights (whenever needed) Satmford
might have become redundant. In general, Sir Doyle had refrained from mentioning
too many doctors in any work.

   With best wishes for Vijaya Dashami,

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What sort of accent would Watson have had?  Holmes would have had a 'clipped
English accent' of the sort in the old British movies but what would Watson
have had - where was he born and brought up?


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Dear Holmesians,
  Why did Stamford fade out of the canon after introducing SH to Dr
Watson? Why was his character not developed by Sir ACD, considering
the fact that quite a few associates of Holmes are recurring, i.e
Inspector Lestrade, Mrs Hudson, Dr watson himself etc.
Sumalsn

Dear Anand and Holmesians,
I do not recall seeing any representation of the Master in digital
form till now!
Sumalsn

Dear Pinaki and Holmesians,
Welcome back, Pinaki. We have been missing you.I would like to
diasagree with you on the your observations on the TV
serial, "Adventures of Sherlock Holmes". I felt it is true to its
originla as far as possible and it has remained true to the spirit of
the Canon too.
  I recall it being telecast on Door darshan in the mid 80s. Many
viewers were inspired to read the Canon largely due to this serial.
  Sumalsn

Dear Sherlockians,

   First of all, a very warm Doorga Pooja greeting to you all! Happy Maha
Shasthi!

   I am being, on each night, a reluctant witness to the different Sherlock
Holmes episodes on The History Channel, 9 p.m. Jeremy Brett as Holmes seems to
be okay, but his acting is not! It is too restrained, and often degrades itself
to over-acting. Watson needs to be somewhat more healthy. Two days ago, the
protagonist of "The Naval Treaty", in an attempt to be true to the script, was
dancing like an over-grown baby after the recovery of the treaty! I wonder when
we shall see a truely lively and interesting series.

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Hi Sherlockians,

     Greetings.

     Talking about Holmes in the age of Internet, as we are doing now, it is
interesting to consider original computer games/puzzles which have been
made with the Canon and/or the Master himself as the central theme.
I have played a few puzzles on the Internet, but have never played a full
fledged game on the Canon. I also remember buying a couple of cartoon
DVDs themed on the Novels of the Canon. I also think  that there are
some popular Cartoon depictions of the Canon which have caught
the imagination of the public.

   Do members think this is an interesting topic ? How many of the
members have any kind of experience of the Master and his companion in
the digital form ?

Regards
--
-Anand

Dear Holmesians,
It has been quite some time that we have seen some activity at the
Society. I wanted to inform all Holmesians that History channel has
started telecasting episodes of Granada Televisions Sherlock Holmes on
monday nights at 2100hrs.
Sumalsn

hello,

the NY Times have made available most of their newspaper archives for
searching. Some years are still protected by copyright, but it looks as if
the years 1890-1930 are completely free. The articles are in pdf format.
Much of Holmesian interest, including reviews of the original books, plays
and films, and articles about Conan Doyle, all from the original sources.

http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?srchst=nyt#top

cheers,

Jeff

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Dear Tim and Holmesians,
  It seems to potray Sir ACD in a very poor light, does'nt it? Mindless
criticism of literary figures is the order of the day. How fair is it
to judge Sir ACD by today's standards and find him lacking?Members can
decide for themselves
Sumalsn

A new book using 'previously unseen archives' is now out, titled 'Conan
Doyle: the Man who Created Sherlock Holmes' by Andrew Lycett, Weidenfeld &
Nicolson.  A review of it can be seen on the New Statesman website, at
http://www.newstatesman.com/200709130046

Maybe the Indian members of the Society should offer to translate it into
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Dear Holmesians,
  I would like to report an anecdote about Sir ACD  I read when
surfing through the net. It goes like this,

      A reporter asked Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1894 if he had been
influenced by the work of Edgar Allen Poe.The creator of Sherlock
Holmes replied, "Oh, immensely!. His detective is the best detective
in fiction."

   The reporter asked if that assessment included Sherlock Holmes.

"I make no exception…," Conan Doyle declared."Dupin is unrivalled.

     Interestingly, though Conan Doyle openly acknowledged his debt
to Poe, Sherlock Holmes dismisses the American author's detective in
one story when he tells Watson:  "No doubt you think that you are
complimenting me in comparing me to Dupin… Now in my opinion, Dupin
is a very inferior fellow.  That trick of his of breaking in on his
friend's thoughts with an apropos remark after a quarter of an
hour's silence is really very showy and superficial.  He has some
analytical genius, no doubt; but he was by no means such a
phenomenon as Poe appeared to imagine.

      "Holmes is also critical of another popular fictional
detective, Emile Gaboriau's Inspector Lecoq. "Lecoq was a miserable
bungler…," Holmes says.  "…he had only one thing to recommend him
and that was his energy.  That book made me positively ill.  The
question was how to identify an unknown prisoner.I could have done
it in twenty-four hours.  Lecoq took six months or so."

  Don't readers see a contradiction in Sir ACD's public pronouncement
and his innermost thoughts which he has voiced through Sherlock
Holmes. Was professional jealousy , the reason for such an attitude?
Why was his attitude hostile to both his predecessors in the field?
was he afraid that his creation may be dwarfed by the others?
    Members , we are open to discussion!
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
  In continuation of my efforts to trace out the influence of Sherlock
Holmes on the detective fiction genre, I think I should mention about
the very succesful  Malayalam movies made by K Madhu , featuring a
detective called Sethurama Iyer. This detective works for the Central
Bureau of Investigation (CBI). There have been four movies produced
upon this character , all of them succesful. He is fond of chewing
betelnut, a take off ( Probably)on  Holmes's well known habits of Pipe
smoking and addiction to cocaine.
Sumalsn

Dear Mukund and Holmesians,
  You are most welcome here. I am certain you will not be disappointed
by joining this Society. Please feel free to discuss any topic on the
Canon and think of this society as your own.
Sumalsn

Hi All Indian Sherlockians,

I have been a lover of the Canon from a long time and always imagined
walking into the Sherlock Holmes Society of India someday ... this is
close !! thanks for forming this community and i hope to meet you all
someday...

I love reading and re-reading the tales... I love quizzes on Sherlock
Holmes... I like "The Valley of Fear" tale the best of all the long
stories and "The Second Stain" the best amongst the short ones...

Got to this group thru the orkut community page. My name is Mukund and
this is an old id on yahoo that i donot want to change... I live with
parents in Bangalore.

Thanks