Dear Holmesians,
We are getting slack on posts of late
Sumalsn

Dear Sumal,
 
The article was beautifully thought out and crafted and the quotes...well, I
never imagined there could be a deeper meaning to what Holmes said. It was like
reading Panchatantra tales with a moral.
 
The same thing happened with LOTR. Despite having read it numerous times as a
work of fantasy, it took a much younger and deeply religious friend to point out
the religious and spiritual connotations interspersed in the trilogy.
 
 
Sridhar

--- On Tue, 7/22/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Sherlock Holmes as a New age Guru-
way to live
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:13 PM






Dear Holmesians,
I came across this intriguing blog . Worth a read and good to mull over
too!
Here goes the link,
http://www.dumblitt leman.com/ 2008/07/sherlock -holmes-way- of-
exceptional. html
Enjoy.
Sumalsn


















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Dear Holmesians,
  here goes another interesting picture!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ithakalb/2684337875/
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
I came across this intriguing blog . Worth a read and good to mull over
too!http://www.dumblittleman.com/2008/07/sherlock-holmes-way-of-
exceptional.html
Enjoy.
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
 
This comes as a bit of a surprising news. To people familiar with the visage of
the Great Detective, Robert Downey, Jr. acting as Holmes would be like Clint
Eastwood acting as a contestant in Mr. Olympia. Awkward and silly. What say you,
Jeff?
 
 
Sridhar


--- On Mon, 7/21/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] SherlocK Holmes Movie
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 6:37 PM






Dear Holmesians,
I am passing a message recieved by me from Mr Kumar Bhatia, who is a
member of SHSI. He could not post this mesage due to some technical
hitch

" Robert Downey Jr. is to star in the latest Hollywood film based on
the adventures of the legendary
British sleuth.
The 43 year old star of Iron Man will play the famous Baker Street
detective in a film directed by British film maker Guy Ritchie,
industry journal ,Variety , reported .
The film will be titled Sherlock Holmes. and is likely to be released
some time in 2009."
Perhaps our resident Movie Expert Jeff Katz will be able to tell us
more about it.
Kumar Bhatia


















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Dear Holmesians,
I am passing a message recieved by me from Mr Kumar Bhatia, who is a
member of SHSI. He could not post this mesage due to some technical
hitch


" Robert Downey Jr. is to star in the latest Hollywood film based on
the adventures of the legendary
British sleuth.
The 43 year old star of Iron Man will play the famous Baker Street
detective in a film directed by British film maker Guy Ritchie,
industry journal ,Variety , reported .
The film will be titled Sherlock Holmes.  and is likely to be released
some time in 2009."
Perhaps our resident Movie Expert  Jeff Katz will be able to tell us
more about it.
Kumar Bhatia

Dear Jinesh,
 
Thank you.
 
 
Sridhar.


--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Jinesh Balakrishnan <jineshb@...> wrote:

From: Jinesh Balakrishnan <jineshb@...>
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Zadig
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 10:10 AM






Hi Sridhar,

The electronic form of Zadig is available at Project Gutenberg at:
http://www.gutenber g.org/etext/ 18972

You can freely download it or read it online...

Regards,
Jinesh

--- On Sun, 7/6/08, sridhar C <cs_gollum@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Zadig
To: SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:51 AM

Dear Jeff,

That was indeed a big help. Thanks to you, I can now proudly say that I've read
Voltaire! I am going to start searching the bookstores for the book and,
hopefully, I'll find it.

When I checked it up on wikipedia, I realized that there is a thought that Poe's
Murders might have been inspired by Zadig's "implausible and 'agrarian' methods"
with him being considered by many as the first systematic detective in
literature.

So, can the answer to our question be Zadig?

Sridhar

PS: I don't know if King Solomon would count, do you?

--- On Fri, 7/4/08, jeff katz <jeff_katz@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: jeff katz <jeff_katz@hotmail. com>

Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] RE: Your Message to
sherlockholmessocie tyofindia

To: sherlockholmessocie tyofindia@ yahoogroups. co.in

Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:25 AM

Hello,

that is "Zadig," by the 18th century French philosopher Voltaire. I believe he
based it on an earlier eastern version, though I don't have a source. The word
"tzadik" in Hebrew is used to describe a holy man or "miracle worker."

best wishes,

Jeff

>

> Messages

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1.1. Re: Which is the First Detective Story?

> Posted by: "sridhar C" cs_gollum@yahoo. com cs_gollum

> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:19 am

>

> Dear Sherlockians,

>

> Once upon a time I read this story about a man who was walking along a road
when he espied a group of the king's soldiers running towards him, obviously
looking for something. The man asked them if they were looking for a horse. They
answered in the affirmative. The man then went on to describe the horse, its
color, its fetlock, its hooves...everything to show that he had actually seen
the horse. But when the soldiers asked him hopefully where he had seen the royal
horse, he shook his head and said that he had not, but that it should have gone
in that direction and he pointed a finger. The soldiers who initially thought
that he was pulling their legs grew angry until the man explained. So lucid was
his explanation that...well, you know.

>

> Now I don't remember where I read this or when it was dated, but I seem to
remember thinking this guy must have been Sherlock Holmes' ancestor or
something.

>

> Can anybody recollect having read this or hearing about it?

>

>

> Sridhar

>

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Hi Sridhar,

The electronic form of Zadig is available at Project Gutenberg at:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18972

You can freely download it or read it online...

Regards,
Jinesh

--- On Sun, 7/6/08, sridhar C <cs_gollum@...> wrote:
From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@...>
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Zadig
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:51 AM











             Dear Jeff,



That was indeed a big help. Thanks to you, I can now proudly say that I've read
Voltaire! I am going to start searching the bookstores for the book and,
hopefully, I'll find it.



When I checked it up on wikipedia, I realized that there is a thought that Poe's
Murders might have been inspired by Zadig's "implausible and 'agrarian' methods"
with him being considered by many as the first systematic detective in
literature.



So, can the answer to our question be Zadig?





Sridhar

PS: I don't know if King Solomon would count, do you?



--- On Fri, 7/4/08, jeff katz <jeff_katz@hotmail. com> wrote:



From: jeff katz <jeff_katz@hotmail. com>

Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] RE: Your Message to
sherlockholmessocie tyofindia

To: sherlockholmessocie tyofindia@ yahoogroups. co.in

Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:25 AM



Hello,



that is "Zadig," by the 18th century French philosopher Voltaire. I believe he
based it on an earlier eastern version, though I don't have a source. The word
"tzadik" in Hebrew is used to describe a holy man or "miracle worker."



best wishes,



Jeff



>

> Messages

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> 1.1. Re: Which is the First Detective Story?

> Posted by: "sridhar C" cs_gollum@yahoo. com cs_gollum

> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:19 am

>

> Dear Sherlockians,

>

> Once upon a time I read this story about a man who was walking along a road
when he espied a group of the king's soldiers running towards him, obviously
looking for something. The man asked them if they were looking for a horse. They
answered in the affirmative. The man then went on to describe the horse, its
color, its fetlock, its hooves...everything to show that he had actually seen
the horse. But when the soldiers asked him hopefully where he had seen the royal
horse, he shook his head and said that he had not, but that it should have gone
in that direction and he pointed a finger. The soldiers who initially thought
that he was pulling their legs grew angry until the man explained. So lucid was
his explanation that...well, you know.

>

> Now I don't remember where I read this or when it was dated, but I seem to
remember thinking this guy must have been Sherlock Holmes' ancestor or
something.

>

> Can anybody recollect having read this or hearing about it?

>

>

> Sridhar

>



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Dear Jeff,
 
That was indeed a big help. Thanks to you, I can now proudly say that I've read
Voltaire! I am going to start searching the bookstores for the book and,
hopefully, I'll find it.
 
When I checked it up on wikipedia, I realized that there is a thought that Poe's
Murders might have been inspired by Zadig's "implausible and 'agrarian' methods"
with him being considered by many as the first systematic detective in
literature.
 
So, can the answer to our question be Zadig?
 
 
Sridhar
PS: I don't know if King Solomon would count, do you?

--- On Fri, 7/4/08, jeff katz <jeff_katz@...> wrote:

From: jeff katz <jeff_katz@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] RE: Your Message to
sherlockholmessocietyofindia
To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:25 AM








Hello,

that is "Zadig," by the 18th century French philosopher Voltaire. I believe he
based it on an earlier eastern version, though I don't have a source. The word
"tzadik" in Hebrew is used to describe a holy man or "miracle worker."

best wishes,

Jeff

>
> Messages
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> 1.1. Re: Which is the First Detective Story?
> Posted by: "sridhar C" cs_gollum@yahoo. com cs_gollum
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:19 am
>
> Dear Sherlockians,
>
> Once upon a time I read this story about a man who was walking along a road
when he espied a group of the king's soldiers running towards him, obviously
looking for something. The man asked them if they were looking for a horse. They
answered in the affirmative. The man then went on to describe the horse, its
color, its fetlock, its hooves...everything to show that he had actually seen
the horse. But when the soldiers asked him hopefully where he had seen the royal
horse, he shook his head and said that he had not, but that it should have gone
in that direction and he pointed a finger. The soldiers who initially thought
that he was pulling their legs grew angry until the man explained. So lucid was
his explanation that...well, you know.
>
> Now I don't remember where I read this or when it was dated, but I seem to
remember thinking this guy must have been Sherlock Holmes' ancestor or
something.
>
> Can anybody recollect having read this or hearing about it?
>
>
> Sridhar
>

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Hello,

that is "Zadig," by the 18th century French philosopher Voltaire. I believe he
based it on an earlier eastern version, though I don't have a source. The word
"tzadik" in Hebrew is used to describe a holy man or "miracle worker."

best wishes,

Jeff

>
> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1.1. Re: Which is the First Detective Story?
> Posted by: "sridhar C" cs_gollum@... cs_gollum
> Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:19 am
>
> Dear Sherlockians,
>
> Once upon a time I read this story about a man who was walking along a road
when he espied a group of the king's soldiers running towards him, obviously
looking for something. The man asked them if they were looking for a horse. They
answered in the affirmative. The man then went on to describe the horse, its
color, its fetlock, its hooves...everything to show that he had actually seen
the horse. But when the soldiers asked him hopefully where he had seen the royal
horse, he shook his head and said that he had not, but that it should have gone
in that direction and he pointed a finger. The soldiers who initially thought
that he was pulling their legs grew angry until the man explained. So lucid was
his explanation that...well, you know.
>
> Now I don't remember where I read this or when it was dated, but I seem to
remember thinking this guy must have been Sherlock Holmes' ancestor or
something.
>
> Can anybody recollect having read this or hearing about it?
>
>
> Sridhar
>


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Dear Sri and Holmesians,
I remember reading that one.I can add one of mine too. The story of
Solomon finding out who the true mother is by asking his soldiers to
cut up the baby is also good use of logical deduction and feminine
psychology.
Sumalsn

Dear Sherlockians,
 
Once upon a time I read this story about a man who was walking along a road
when he espied a group of the king's soldiers running towards him, obviously
looking for something. The man asked them if they were looking for a horse. They
answered in the affirmative. The man then went on to describe the horse, its
color, its fetlock, its hooves...everything to show that he had actually seen
the horse. But when the soldiers asked him hopefully where he had seen the royal
horse, he shook his head and said that he had not, but that it should have gone
in that direction and he pointed a finger. The soldiers who initially thought
that he was pulling their legs grew angry until the man explained. So lucid was
his explanation that...well, you know.
 
Now I don't remember where I read this or when it was dated, but I seem to
remember thinking this guy must have been Sherlock Holmes' ancestor or
something.
 
Can anybody recollect having read this or hearing about it?
 
 
Sridhar

--- On Sun, 6/29/08, pinaki roy <monkaroy@...> wrote:

From: pinaki roy <monkaroy@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Which is the First Detective Story?
To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 9:17 PM

Dear Sherlockians,
 
Please allow me to ask a question related indirectly to the Sherlock Holmes
canon. Which, according to the esteemed Sherlockians of our Society, is the
first detective fiction – I mean, may be in the most primitive form? There
can be little doubt that Edgar Allan Poe’s “The Murders in the Rue
Morgue” (1841) is the first modern detective fiction and Arthur Conan
Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes adventures the best. However, literary historians
have pointed out that elements of tales of detection can be found as early as
in Voltaire’s “Zadig” (1748) and Maurits Hansen’s “The Murder of the
Engine-Maker Rolfsen”(1839). It appears that the instance of the Theban
king’s trying to unravel the mastery of his own birth in Sophocles’s
“Oedipus Rex” and the biblical story of Susanna and the Elders may be
considered early detective stories. Indian detective writings appear to predate
even these. “The Story of Rohit and Sunoshep” occurs in
  the Vedic prose-collection “Yitreyo Brahmana” (c. 800 B.C.). The parable
of Sarama the Bitch also dates to the Vedic age. "The Mahabharata" is
replete with tales of detection. Sukumar Sen’s “Crime Kahinir Kaalkranti”
(“The Chronology of Crime Stories”) (Kolkata: Ananda Publishers, 1988)
(ISBN 81-7066-147-1) appears to be a very good publication which traces the
gradual growth of detective stories.
 
I shall request the Sherlockians to post their valuable opinion regarding the
earliest detective stories.  
 
Yours faithfully,
 
(Pinaki Roy)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From:
 
Pinaki Roy, Ph.D.
Lecturer in English,
Malda College,
Rabindra Sarani, Rathbari More,
Post Office + District: Malda – 732 101        




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Hello,

not quite as old as the examples cited by Dr Roy, but in the Catholic and
Orthodox Christian scriptures there is the story of Daniel in the temple of Bel,
where by spreading flour on the floor the prophet is able to show footprints
leading to a hidden door, exposing the false priests. This anticipates a similar
device in the "adventure of the golden pince-nez" by perhaps 2000 years!


Jeff


> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 2. Which is the First Detective Story?
> Posted by: "pinaki roy" monkaroy@... monkaroy
> Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:17 pm
>
> Dear Sherlockians,
>
> Please allow me to ask a question related indirectly to the Sherlock Holmes
canon. Which, according to the esteemed Sherlockians of our Society, is the
first detective fiction – I mean, may be in the most primitive form? There can
be little doubt that Edgar Allan Poe’s “The Murders in the Rue Morgue” (1841) is
the first modern detective fiction and Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes
adventures the best. However, literary historians have pointed out that elements
of tales of detection can be found as early as in Voltaire’s “Zadig” (1748) and
Maurits Hansen’s “The Murder of the Engine-Maker Rolfsen”(1839). It appears that
the instance of the Theban king’s trying to unravel the mastery of his own birth
in Sophocles’s “Oedipus Rex” and the biblical story of Susanna and the Elders
may be considered early detective stories. Indian detective writings appear to
predate even these. “The Story of Rohit and Sunoshep” occurs in
> the Vedic prose-collection “Yitreyo Brahmana” (c. 800 B.C.). The parable of
Sarama the Bitch also dates to the Vedic age. "The Mahabharata" is replete with
tales of detection. Sukumar Sen’s “Crime Kahinir Kaalkranti” (“The Chronology of
Crime Stories”) (Kolkata: Ananda Publishers, 1988) (ISBN 81-7066-147-1) appears
to be a very good publication which traces the gradual growth of detective
stories.
>
> I shall request the Sherlockians to post their valuable opinion regarding the
earliest detective stories.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> (Pinaki Roy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
>
> Pinaki Roy, Ph.D.
> Lecturer in English,
> Malda College,
> Rabindra Sarani, Rathbari More,
> Post Office + District: Malda – 732 101
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Dear Sherlockians,
 
Please allow me to ask a question related indirectly to the Sherlock Holmes
canon. Which, according to the esteemed Sherlockians of our Society, is the
first detective fiction – I mean, may be in the most primitive form? There can
be little doubt that Edgar Allan Poe’s “The Murders in the Rue Morgue” (1841) is
the first modern detective fiction and Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes
adventures the best. However, literary historians have pointed out that elements
of tales of detection can be found as early as in Voltaire’s “Zadig” (1748) and
Maurits Hansen’s “The Murder of the Engine-Maker Rolfsen”(1839). It appears that
the instance of the Theban king’s trying to unravel the mastery of his own birth
in Sophocles’s “Oedipus Rex” and the biblical story of Susanna and the Elders
may be considered early detective stories. Indian detective writings appear to
predate even these. “The Story of Rohit and Sunoshep” occurs in
  the Vedic prose-collection “Yitreyo Brahmana” (c. 800 B.C.). The parable of
Sarama the Bitch also dates to the Vedic age. "The Mahabharata" is replete with
tales of detection. Sukumar Sen’s “Crime Kahinir Kaalkranti” (“The Chronology of
Crime Stories”) (Kolkata: Ananda Publishers, 1988) (ISBN 81-7066-147-1) appears
to be a very good publication which traces the gradual growth of detective
stories.
 
I shall request the Sherlockians to post their valuable opinion regarding the
earliest detective stories.  
 
Yours faithfully,
 
(Pinaki Roy)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From:
 
Pinaki Roy, Ph.D.
Lecturer in English,
Malda College,
Rabindra Sarani, Rathbari More,
Post Office + District: Malda – 732 101        




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Dear Holmesians,
 
I agree wholeheartedly with Sumal on the point of the Canon being good detection
fiction and a work of literature. In fact, my initial grounding in words of over
2 syllables was from two major sources, PG Wodehouse and the Canon. We have
discussed the former in relation to the latter and vice versa several times.
While Wodehouse was adept at making even my most difficult and tough times
easier to bear, keeping me in good humour and tickling my funny bone, Sir ACD
(and to some extent Dame Christie) helped me hone my mental skills, such as they
are, thinking ahead of the plot, trying to seek answers before the Master did,
trying to put my few grey cells to good use. Although I invariably failed at the
latter, the constant observation and the newly formed habit of ratiocination
actually made me a better student.
 
 
Sridhar

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: J.G.Reeder
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:42 PM






Dear Riju,
Edgar Wallace was also not as good a writer as Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle.He was prolific but was not classy. The Canon can stand not only
as a good detective series but also as a work of literature by itself.
This cannot be said of other writers of detective Fiction. It was not
for nothing that detective fiction was called " Pulp Fiction"
Sumalsn


















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Hello all,

Edgar Wallace was very popular in Germany in the 1960's and 70's, several dozen
films were made of his books (he was also one of the authors of "King Kong").
The books are very dated, reflecting the casual upperclass racism of the 1930's,
very violent, and depending greatly on coincidence and completely arbitray
plots.

ACD certainly elevated the detective story from the pulp pages to the very
respectable Strand Magazine. Without him there might not have been Christie,
Sayers, Crispin, Innes, or any other later generations of well-mannered mystery
writers. And I think it's true that the Holmes story say more about Victorian
England than any of the others say about their times and places.

Jeff

> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1.1. Re: J.G.Reeder
> Posted by: "sumalsn" no_reply@... sumalsn
> Date: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:42 pm
>
> Dear Riju,
> Edgar Wallace was also not as good a writer as Sir Arthur Conan
> Doyle.He was prolific but was not classy. The Canon can stand not only
> as a good detective series but also as a work of literature by itself.
> This cannot be said of other writers of detective Fiction. It was not
> for nothing that detective fiction was called " Pulp Fiction"
> Sumalsn
>

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Dear Riju,
Edgar Wallace was also not as good a writer as Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle.He was prolific but was not classy. The Canon can stand not only
as a good detective series but also as a work of literature by itself.
This cannot be said of other writers of detective Fiction. It was not
for nothing that detective fiction was called " Pulp Fiction"
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
 
I agree with Anand that Sherlock Holmes had indeed been attributed with certain
characteristics that had caught the imagination of not only the contemporary
readership, but keeps on captivating successive generations of readers (evident
from at least a couple of anthologies or single-writer collections and novels of
Sherlock Holmes [pastiches] being published every year). However, Holmes was not
developed in a single day, not even in the first few years. It is only with the
publication of the short stories in "The Strand" that Holmes started becoming an
institution, sharply contrasting with his 'position' following the first two
novels. J.G.Reeder never got a chance to develop such a foothold, Wallace had
become busy with King Kong et.al by that time.
 
With reagrds to all,
 
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I guess it can be summarized to a sentence.

"No other detective in history, both fictional and real has never been
attributed
with such a curious set of singular and amazing traits as Holmes was, including
his enormous genius for minutiae,  supreme analytical and logical capabilities,
a cool emotional detachment, fine-tuned capabilities of observation and
a high sense of professional duty, diligence, patriotism coupled with great
levels of fitness and energy levels when he is upon the scent".

ACD attributed so many unique qualities to Holmes that he takes on a very
vivid picture of life in the reader's minds and holds a fascination which is
prolonged. Very few literary characters have these traits. Those do, take
a life of themselves separate from their creator and Holmes is *the*
classic example.

--Anand

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:06 AM, sridhar C <cs_gollum@...> wrote:
> Dear Holmesians,
>
> If we're talking just JG Reeder here, I would say that maybe it was because
like Sauron and the Ring, Sir ACD's whole life was bound to that of Sherlock
Holmes. He could'nt help creating more adventures for Holmes even if he wanted
to (ref the letter from the irate fan beginning, "You brute!"). Though his other
work has only recently begun to be re-discovered and appreciated, it is as the
author of the world famous detective that Sir ACD got fame and still continues
to.
>
> On the other hand, Edgar Wallace was more into thrillers, horrors, and
suspense and JGR was only a side-dish that he served once in a while (he wrote
only about 6-7 of this series).
>
> Another point in favor of Holmes was that he was probably the first detective
to manage to capture the interest of the public by his surprising armchair
analysis, his cool and calculated acts when in the line of fire, his sense of
justice, and most importantly his capacity for observation and his
chameleon-like disguise capability (both probably the first in the literary
world). I doubt if any of these characteristics will ever go unwanted or
unappreciated.
>
>
> Sridhar
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
> Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: J.G.Reeder
> To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 5:37 PM
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>
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>
> Dear Riju and Holmesians,
> Why do detectives like JG Reeder fail to carry their appeal through
> Generations like Sherlock Holmes. Edgar wallace was a near
> contemporary of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Yet Sherlock Holmes continues
> to captivate the fascination of succeding generations which other
> detectives failed to do
> sumalsn
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Dear Holmesians,
 
If we're talking just JG Reeder here, I would say that maybe it was because
like Sauron and the Ring, Sir ACD's whole life was bound to that of Sherlock
Holmes. He could'nt help creating more adventures for Holmes even if he wanted
to (ref the letter from the irate fan beginning, "You brute!"). Though his other
work has only recently begun to be re-discovered and appreciated, it is as the
author of the world famous detective that Sir ACD got fame and still continues
to.
 
On the other hand, Edgar Wallace was more into thrillers, horrors, and suspense
and JGR was only a side-dish that he served once in a while (he wrote only about
6-7 of this series).
 
Another point in favor of Holmes was that he was probably the first detective to
manage to capture the interest of the public by his surprising armchair
analysis, his cool and calculated acts when in the line of fire, his sense of
justice, and most importantly his capacity for observation and his
chameleon-like disguise capability (both probably the first in the literary
world). I doubt if any of these characteristics will ever go unwanted or
unappreciated.
 
 
Sridhar
 


--- On Wed, 6/18/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: J.G.Reeder
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 5:37 PM






Dear Riju and Holmesians,
Why do detectives like JG Reeder fail to carry their appeal through
Generations like Sherlock Holmes. Edgar wallace was a near
contemporary of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Yet Sherlock Holmes continues
to captivate the fascination of succeding generations which other
detectives failed to do
sumalsn


















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Dear Sumal and SHians,
 
There are several who could attempt a pastiche of the Great Detective. Why I
would do it myself! But, as to who would actually do it and, more importantly,
do it in such a way that the fans of the original would appreciate the
duplicate...well, that's a tough one.
 
If we are talking just one pastiche, I feel the following authors could do it:
1. Loren D. Estelman.
2. Donald Thomas.
3. Matthew Pearl.
4. JK Rowling (we're talking just one pastiche here and she's got a flair for
mystery).
5. Colin Dexter.
 
 
Sridhar
PS: I don't know about Colin Dexter though.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] A patische for Holmes
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 5:41 PM






Dear Holmesians,
Sebastian Faulks has come out with a new patische of James Bond. whom
do you think among the contemporary writers can do justice to a
patsiche of Sherlock Holmes.


















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Dear Arun and Holmesians,
 
Thanks indeed for all this info, Arun!
 
Did anybody know that there was a mention of JG Reeder in one of the westerns by
JT Edson? That book actually introduced me to JG Reeder, although it portrayed
him as a young man posing as a middle-aged guy and hmming and hawing simply to
make the opposition take him lightly and underestimate him. Although in that
particular book it was the American cowboys (OD Connected's floating outfit) who
were the main protagonists, JG Reeder helped to a vast extent in nabbing the bad
guys.
 
 
Sridhar

--- On Tue, 6/17/08, arun.pkumar@... <arun.pkumar@...> wrote:

From: arun.pkumar@... <arun.pkumar@...>
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] J.G.Reeder
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 9:33 AM






There is another book "J G Reeder Returns" which contains 2 long stories. I've
been lucky enough to have both the copies with me - The Mind of J G Reeder &
Reeder Returns. A series of titles by Edgar Wallace(recent reprints) have hit
the book stores but they do not contain the J G Reader series.

There are other titles featuring J G Reeder and they happen to be :
- Room 13
- The Mind of Mr J.G. Reeder
- Terror Keep
- Red Aces
- Mr J.G. Reeder Returns
- The Guv'nor
- The Man Who Passed

The good news is that all these titles are available freely on the net. They can
be downloaded from this link
http://gutenberg. net.au/plusfifty -n-z.html This website has a lot of other
titles of Edgar Wallace as well. Please explore this website as well Gutenberg's
main site to access some very rare gems which have been out of print for quite
some time.

For those who have mobile reading devices, the entire J G reeder collection is
available as an omnibus at
http://www.mobilere ad.com/forums/ showthread. php?t=10844

Regards,
Arun.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in on behalf of riju
ganguly
Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 10:57 PM
To: SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] J.G.Reeder

Dear Friends,

Edgar Wallace's creation J.G.Reeder had earned considerable fan-following in his
days, but unfortunately, the subsequent times have not been kind to him. A
collection named "The Mind of J G Reeder" published by the House of Stratus is
probably the only series of stories collected in a book concerning this
delightful and quite extra-ordinary character.

Riju

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Dear Holmesians,
Sebastian Faulks has come out with a new patische of James Bond. whom
do you think among the contemporary writers can do justice to a
patsiche of Sherlock Holmes.

Dear Riju and Holmesians,
Why do detectives like JG Reeder fail to carry their appeal through
Generations like Sherlock Holmes. Edgar wallace was a near
contemporary of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Yet Sherlock Holmes continues
to captivate the fascination of succeding generations which other
detectives failed to do
sumalsn

There are some ingenious plots. The way he solves the crimes is by putting
himself in the shoes of the criminal and think like him. Intuitionist type. But
it's very difficult to compare him with Sherlock Holmes. He shows his brilliance
al right in solving puzzling cases but really not on the same lines as Holmes.

The stories are worth reading though.

/Arun.

________________________________

From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@... on behalf of Anand
Balachandran Pillai
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 1:03 PM
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] J.G.Reeder



Interesting.... I did not know that such a character even existed.
How does he compare to Sherlock Holmes btw ?

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM, <arun.pkumar@...
<mailto:arun.pkumar%40wipro.com> > wrote:
> There is another book "J G Reeder Returns" which contains 2 long stories. I've
been lucky enough to have both the copies with me - The Mind of J G Reeder &
Reeder Returns. A series of titles by Edgar Wallace(recent reprints) have hit
the book stores but they do not contain the J G Reader series.
>
> There are other titles featuring J G Reeder and they happen to be :
> - Room 13
> - The Mind of Mr J.G. Reeder
> - Terror Keep
> - Red Aces
> - Mr J.G. Reeder Returns
> - The Guv'nor
> - The Man Who Passed
>
> The good news is that all these titles are available freely on the net. They
can be downloaded from this link
> http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-n-z.html
<http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-n-z.html>  This website has a lot of other
titles of Edgar Wallace as well. Please explore this website as well Gutenberg's
main site to access some very rare gems which have been out of print for quite
some time.
>
> For those who have mobile reading devices, the entire J G reeder collection is
available as an omnibus at
> http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10844
<http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10844>
>
> Regards,
> Arun.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
<mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia%40yahoogroups.co.in>  on behalf of riju
ganguly
> Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 10:57 PM
> To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
<mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia%40yahoogroups.co.in>
> Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] J.G.Reeder
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Edgar Wallace's creation J.G.Reeder had earned considerable fan-following in
his days, but unfortunately, the subsequent times have not been kind to him. A
collection named "The Mind of J G Reeder" published by the House of Stratus is
probably the only series of stories collected in a book concerning this
delightful and quite extra-ordinary character.
>
> Riju
>
> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.. Go to
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Interesting.... I did not know that such a character even existed.
How does he compare to Sherlock Holmes btw ?

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM,  <arun.pkumar@...> wrote:
> There is another book "J G Reeder Returns" which contains 2 long stories. I've
been lucky enough to have both the copies with me - The Mind of J G Reeder &
Reeder Returns. A series of titles by Edgar Wallace(recent reprints) have hit
the book stores but they do not contain the J G Reader series.
>
> There are other titles featuring J G Reeder and they happen to be :
> - Room 13
> - The Mind of Mr J.G. Reeder
> - Terror Keep
> - Red Aces
> - Mr J.G. Reeder Returns
> - The Guv'nor
> - The Man Who Passed
>
> The good news is that all these titles are available freely on the net. They
can be downloaded from this link
> http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-n-z.html    This website has a lot of other
titles of Edgar Wallace as well. Please explore this website as well Gutenberg's
main site to access some very rare gems which have been out of print for quite
some time.
>
> For those who have mobile reading devices, the entire J G reeder collection is
available as an omnibus at
> http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10844
>
> Regards,
> Arun.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@... on behalf of riju ganguly
> Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 10:57 PM
> To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
> Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] J.G.Reeder
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Edgar Wallace's creation J.G.Reeder had earned considerable fan-following in
his days, but unfortunately, the subsequent times have not been kind to him. A
collection named "The Mind of J G Reeder" published by the House of Stratus is
probably the only series of stories collected in a book concerning this
delightful and quite extra-ordinary character.
>
> Riju
>
> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.. Go to
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There is another book "J G Reeder Returns" which contains 2 long stories. I've
been lucky enough to have both the copies with me - The Mind of J G Reeder &
Reeder Returns. A series of titles by Edgar Wallace(recent reprints) have hit
the book stores but they do not contain the J G Reader series.

There are other titles featuring J G Reeder and they happen to be :
- Room 13
- The Mind of Mr J.G. Reeder
- Terror Keep
- Red Aces
- Mr J.G. Reeder Returns
- The Guv'nor
- The Man Who Passed

The good news is that all these titles are available freely on the net. They can
be downloaded from this link
http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-n-z.html    This website has a lot of other
titles of Edgar Wallace as well. Please explore this website as well Gutenberg's
main site to access some very rare gems which have been out of print for quite
some time.

For those who have mobile reading devices, the entire J G reeder collection is
available as an omnibus at
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10844

Regards,
Arun.

________________________________

From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@... on behalf of riju ganguly
Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 10:57 PM
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] J.G.Reeder



Dear Friends,

Edgar Wallace's creation J.G.Reeder had earned considerable fan-following in his
days, but unfortunately, the subsequent times have not been kind to him. A
collection named "The Mind of J G Reeder" published by the House of Stratus is
probably the only series of stories collected in a book concerning this
delightful and quite extra-ordinary character.

Riju

From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.. Go to
http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
<http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/>

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Dear Friends,
 
Edgar Wallace's creation J.G.Reeder had earned considerable fan-following in his
days, but unfortunately, the subsequent times have not been kind to him. A
collection named "The Mind of J G Reeder" published by the House of Stratus is
probably the only series of stories collected in a book concerning this
delightful and quite extra-ordinary character.
 
Riju


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http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/

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Dear Sri and Holmesians,
  I remember reading Edgar wallace a long time ago. JG Reeder  is the
guy who has side whiskers and falls in love witha girl and ends up
marrying her, is'nt it?I remember " Four just Men" very well indeed.
I don't think there is a series of books involving JG Reeder . We can
discuss it though
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesians,
 
I agree with Sachin about Swept Away. Guy Ritchie, though a
wonderful director (another must-watch of his would be Lock, Stock & Two
Smoking Barrels - which was atrociously remade as Phir Hera Pheri), could
never have directed the lovely Tom Hanks starrer, Castaway. It is not his thing
at all.
 
 
Sridhar

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, sachin <sachingoa@...> wrote:

From: sachin <sachingoa@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re:Sherlock Holmes Movie
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 11:29 PM






Hi!
   The piece of news that Guy Ritchie is making the new Holmes
movie is interesting. Sumal am sure you meant swept away and not cast away which
was directed by Robert Zemekis. If it all Ritchie is going to make that movie,
lets hope its a Snatch which was a brilliant film that he made rather than Swept
away, which was a dud.
 
Ciao,
Sachin

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