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#2634 From: kuntal dutta <kuntal8086@...>
Date:: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:01 am
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#2633 From: "kuntal8086" <kuntal8086@...>
Date:: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:26 am
Subject:: SHERLOCK HOLMES IN EXILE(1891-1894)
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...HE WAS IN EXILE AND VENTERED  TO TIBBET , MIDDLE EAST.
THE TRAVEL ACCOUNT OF TIBBET IS SCRIBED IN " THE MANDALA OF SHERLOCK
HOLMES" BY JAMYANG NORBU.
IF ANYBODY HAS READ IT DO SHARE HIS/HER THOUGHT.

#2632 From: "Tim Symonds" <tim.symonds@...>
Date:: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:39 pm
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Holmes is alive and well???!!!
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Yes, Holmes retired to his beekeeping here in East Sussex, just south of
London.  His creator lived the final years of his life in East Sussex and
there's a statue of Conan Doyle in a small town in Sussex called Crowborough
where I think he is buried.  It's a Victorian town, largely, near the
extensive Ashdown Forest, about an hour from Central London.



Tim





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Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Holmes is alive and
well???!!!



Dear Sumal and other Holmesians

Holmes, alive and well? You don't say?! Well, I guess he must be old. Where
in Sussex Downs by the way? And where is Sussex Downs?


Sridhar

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s.co.in>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Demand for elimination of
the latest irritant
To: SherlockHolmesSocie
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tyofIndia@...
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 7:21 AM

Dear Sridhar and Holmesians,
Mr. Sherlock Holmes is alive and well at Sussex Downs tending his
apiary. His health is a bit indifferent due to his advanced age !!!
Sumalsn

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#2631 From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@...>
Date:: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:48 pm
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Holmes is alive and well???!!!
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Dear Sumal and other Holmesians
 
Holmes, alive and well? You don't say?! Well, I guess he must be old. Where in
Sussex Downs by the way? And where is Sussex Downs?
 
 
Sridhar

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From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Demand for elimination of the
latest irritant
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 7:21 AM






Dear Sridhar and Holmesians,
Mr. Sherlock Holmes is alive and well at Sussex Downs tending his
apiary. His health is a bit indifferent due to his advanced age !!!
Sumalsn


















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#2630 From: "Tim Symonds" <tim.symonds@...>
Date:: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:30 am
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] International Holmes
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Perhaps members of the group in India could start to offer presentations on
the canon to local schools, even with an illustrated talk taking engravings
from the various publications over the century?  Or start to build a
Sherlock Holmes theatre somewhere in the Capital to start.



I agree it's difficult to continue exploring a fixed canon though it has
been instructive and valuable to a lot of us.



All the best!



Tim

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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] International Holmes



Hello to all SHSI Members,

As I have been following the posts for a few years now, I notice that
the group in general has run into a common issue that seems to plague
all special interest groups. This is the repitition of previous
subjects and the seeming lack of fresh material.

Now since the Holmes Canon is of a fixed and finite assembly of
literature, it would seem that every possible theme and variation has
been examined over and over, and perhaps not enough new ideas to
generate a fresh approach on this topic.

I have noted with some interest the collection of SH movies and TV
shows is of such magnitude now, I doubt anyone has a "complete"
collection. As far as my own humble collection, it is rather small
and I realize that someday I would like to find a place or
organization that could possibly use my collection for either display
or actual reading.

Considering the number of Holmes Fans and the very breadth this
literature covers around the world, perhaps there is somewhere a
real "SH" museum or even a mystery book store dedicated to SH.

As the internet invades all aspects of life, here in the USA the
number of book readers declines every year.

Possibly in India, there is still enough of a stronghold on
traditional literature, that there exists a SH library or book store
somewhere.

I guess my rambling thoughts need to be focused a bit........so my
question really.........is there a suitable library or bookstore
where a person could bequeath their collection for future generations
to enjoy?

Just a rambling thought

As Always,

Your Servant...

James27Word





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#2629 From: "james27word" <james27word@...>
Date:: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:12 am
Subject:: International Holmes
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Hello to all SHSI Members,

As I have been following the posts for a few years now, I notice that
the group in general has run into a common issue that seems to plague
all special interest groups.  This is the repitition of previous
subjects and the seeming lack of fresh material.

Now since the Holmes Canon is of a fixed and finite assembly of
literature, it would seem that every possible theme and variation has
been examined over and over, and perhaps not enough new ideas to
generate a fresh approach on this topic.

I have noted with some interest the collection of SH movies and TV
shows is of such magnitude now, I doubt anyone has a "complete"
collection. As far as my own humble collection, it is rather small
and I realize that someday I would like to find a place or
organization that could possibly use my collection for either display
or actual reading.

Considering the number of Holmes Fans and the very breadth this
literature covers around the world, perhaps there is somewhere a
real "SH" museum or even a mystery book store dedicated to SH.

As the internet invades all aspects of life, here in the USA the
number of book readers declines every year.

Possibly in India, there is still enough of a stronghold on
traditional literature, that there exists a SH library or book store
somewhere.

I guess my rambling thoughts need to be focused a bit........so my
question really.........is there a suitable library or bookstore
where a person could bequeath their collection for future generations
to enjoy?

Just a rambling thought


As Always,

Your Servant...

James27Word

#2628 From: sumalsn
Date:: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:51 am
Subject:: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Demand for elimination of the latest irritant
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Dear Sridhar and Holmesians,
Mr. Sherlock Holmes is alive and well at Sussex Downs tending his
apiary. His health is a bit indifferent due to his advanced age !!!
Sumalsn

#2627 From: jeff katz <jeff_katz@...>
Date:: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:52 am
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 1037
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#2626 From: riju ganguly <riju_cs@...>
Date:: Sun Nov 9, 2008 5:28 pm
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Holmes and e-mails
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Dear Holmesians,
 
Although the authenticity of the "Dear Boss" and "From Hell" letters being
actually written by Jack the Ripper is yet to be established, letters boasting
of criminal feats accomplished/planned made regular appearances in Victorian
England's papers and police stations. Even the "Zodiac" killer in the
last century had established his "persona" through letters to the local
newspaper.
 
However, till date I have not read of any e-mail having direct link to any
murderous crime (except those committed by the terorists who reportedly
communicate using them, and who also send threatening e-mails as a challenge to
the establishment as well as to achieve other results, viz. causing mutual
antagonism in a pluralistic society resulting in rise of mob-mentality driven
by panic), unless causing your mailbox to crash with junk mails and/or making
all sort of vile comments constitute activities sufficiently malafide in intent.
 
With best wishes,
 
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#2625 From: sumalsn
Date:: Sat Nov 8, 2008 9:50 am
Subject:: Re: Holmes and e-mails
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Dear Riju,
The most celeberated instance in Victorian era of  psychopath was Jack
the Ripper, as you all know. he too had a habit of writing perplexing
messages to the Police in which he left clues for them to find out.
Sumalsn

#2624 From: riju ganguly <riju_cs@...>
Date:: Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:43 pm
Subject:: Holmes and e-mails
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Dear Holmesians,
 
Threatning messages and missives were quite common in the Victorian society that
was probably the most complex social structure of the time. Holmes himself had,
on several occasions, helped (or tried to help, as in "The Valley of Fear" or in
"The Five Orange Pips") his clients or others to face this problem.
 
But e-mails, by their very nature, are extremely difficult to track & trace
unless the investigator has a substantial technological arsenal at his/her
disposal. Holmes alone, despite all his intensity and astuteness, could not have
dealt with this problem. However, he would have most definitely made at least
a rudimentary psychological profiling of the perpetrator(s) from the messages
themselves, which, once corroborated with the details regarding the possible
suspects connected with the recipient(s), must have helped in nabbing the
culprits, if and only if he would have succeded apriori in overcoming his
natural aversion to such "gee-gaws" like e-mails.
 
Soliciting more responses,
 
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#2623 From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@...>
Date:: Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:54 am
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Demand for elimination of the latest irritant
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Dear Sumal and other Holmesians,
 
While on the subject, what do the esteemed members think Holmes would have done
(had he been alive now) about the recent spate of threatening emails and
suchlike?
 
 
Sridhar

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From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Demand for elimination of the
latest irritant
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:44 AM






Dear Riju and holmesians,
I have already done that . We are not active nowadays that is the
reason why this is happenning.
I appeal to all members to initiate discussions on the Canon.
Sumalsn


















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#2622 From: sumalsn
Date:: Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:14 am
Subject:: Re: Demand for elimination of the latest irritant
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Dear Riju and holmesians,
I have already done that . We are not active nowadays that is the
reason why this is happenning.
I appeal to all members to initiate discussions on the Canon.
Sumalsn

#2620 From: riju ganguly <riju_cs@...>
Date:: Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:59 pm
Subject:: Demand for elimination of the latest irritant
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Friends,
 
Another intruder has recently made entry into this esteemed society and is
trying to overwhelm the group-activity with personal rubbish. Can some needful
action be taken by the administrators in this regard?
 
Also, we are all waiting for further communication from Dr. Pinaki Roy regarding
his book; will he respond soon?
 
With best wishes,
 
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#2615 From: sumalsn
Date:: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:58 am
Subject:: A Sherlock Holmes special
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Dear Holmesians,
  I read this in this month's Reader's Digest- Here goes
How did Sherlock Holmes avoid paying income tax?
  - Brilliant deductions
Enjoy.
Sumal

#2614 From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@...>
Date:: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:12 am
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Compliments of The season
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Brilliant, my dear Sumal. Wishing you and all the other Holmesians a happy,
thrilling, and safe Deepavali.
 
 
Sridhar

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From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Compliments of The season
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 2:54 PM






Dear Holmesians,

"I had called upon my friend Sherlock Holmes upon the second morning
after Christmas, with the intention of wishing him the compliments of
the season"
I have visited this society with same intention, " Compliments on
Diwali"
Sumalsn


















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#2613 From: sumalsn
Date:: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:24 am
Subject:: Compliments of The season
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Dear Holmesians,

"I had called upon my friend Sherlock Holmes upon the second morning
after Christmas, with the intention of wishing him the compliments of
the season"
  I have visited this society with same intention, " Compliments on
Diwali"
Sumalsn

#2612 From: sumalsn
Date:: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:15 am
Subject:: Another Interesting site
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Dear Holmesians,
  I cannot think of an interesting topic to discuss. So as an
alternative, I suppose we go through this site which is fairly
comprehensive insofar as Sherlockiana is concerned,
http://www.mysterylist.com/holmes.htm
Sumalsn

#2611 From: sumalsn
Date:: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:58 am
Subject:: A lull in activity
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Dear Holmesians,
We are dormant, so to speak. I saw this site which appears to be
interesting, can members browse through the site and record their
impressions here,
http://www.ihearofsherlock.com/.
BTW, that is an easy one. In which adventure does this quote appear?
Sumalsn

#2610 From: jeff katz <jeff_katz@...>
Date:: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:38 pm
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 1028
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an indirect answer is T.S. Eliot, Nobel Laureate 1948. He did not write any
detective novels, but was a fan of Sherlock Holmes and was an honorary member of
Chicago's BSI group. Eliot used lines from "The Musgrave Ritual" in his play
"Murder in the Cathedral," and "Macavity the Mystery Cat" should be familiar to
all Sherlockians.

best wishes,

Jeff

> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:15:47 +0000
> From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
> To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
> Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 1028
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
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> 1.1. Re: Nobel prize- Literature
> From: sumalsn
>
>
> Message
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1.1. Re: Nobel prize- Literature
> Posted by: "sumalsn" no_reply@... sumalsn
> Date: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:33 am
>
> Dear Holmesias,
> I can think of none, but Umberto Eco may get a Noble for literature .
> He has of course written a detective novel-The Name of the Rose
> Sumalsn
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#2609 From: sumalsn
Date:: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:03 am
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
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Dear Holmesias,
  I can think of none, but Umberto Eco may get a Noble for literature .
He has of course written a detective novel-The Name of the Rose
Sumalsn

#2608 From: sumalsn
Date:: Mon Oct 6, 2008 7:24 am
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
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Dear Holmesians,
Can anyone think of a Nobel Laureate who has written detective fiction ?

#2607 From: Jinesh Balakrishnan <jineshb@...>
Date:: Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:25 am
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
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Maybe we could define two terms "Classics" and "Literature".  Classics are the
ones which we enjoy throughout our years - youngsters, adults, seniors etc - and
pass across generations.  SH definitely fits there - along with Dickens, Jane
Austen, whom we love reading again and again.  Terry Pratchett is tremendous
fun, but may not make the mark by itself - its likeability is mostly due to the
satire of the original classics and so is a derived enjoyment.

Literature (at least to me) brings up images of boring classrooms where
stiff-necked scholars debate over minutiae which no-one ever bothers about.  And
the Nobel prize awards the most obscure amongst them.  In actual fact, I cannot
remember ANY Nobel literature winner nor his/her work (but that too may be
because I never read that genre ;-)  There might also be clauses in the award
criteria related to social welfare, and even though SH gives a tremendous amount
of mental enjoyment, it would fail in that.
I also have a sneaky feeling that the award committee consist of serious
scholars so steeped in 'literature' that they would even refuse to acknowledge
that they read SH (or any other enjoyable work), instead preferring Dante's
Inferno for a light read ;-)


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Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 9:49 AM













Hi



QUOTE - y guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered



'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his



output as income-producing rather than great literature in the



Victoria/Edwardian sense. UNQUOTE



Your are quite correct but Doyle was wrong - I would say truly great literature
is that which lasts all these years and creates household names from their
characters. That is thr true definition of Great. Not some pompous, self
important text that will be forgotten next year.

Gary



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From: tim.symonds@ shevolution. com

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:37:36 +0100

Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



There is a great deal wrong with the way the Nobel prizes are allocated and



this is becoming more and more recognised.  The other major prize - far less



well-known but in many ways much more admirable - is the Right Livelihood



Award Foundation (www.rightlivelihoo d.org/guidelines _english. html) which is



not for famous people but for people who deserve to be recognised.  This



doesn't seem to include Literature, however, and is more concerned with



social justice.  Two latest winners are -



Krishnammal Jagannathan and Sankaralingam Jagannathan, two lifelong



activists for social justice, and for sustainable human development, working



with those who are at the lowest rung of the social ladder. They have



carried the Gandhian legacy into the 21st century, never ceasing to serve



the needs of Dalits, landless and those threatened by the greed of landlords



and multinational corporations.



My guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered



'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his



output as income-producing rather than great literature in the



Victoria/Edwardian sense.



Tim



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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in] On Behalf Of sumalsn



Sent: 02 October 2008 02:47



To: SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in



Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



Dear Holmesians,



It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to



writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is



never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the



list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly



read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan



Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary



on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.



Sumalsn



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#2606 From: gary dobbs <garydobbs@...>
Date:: Thu Oct 2, 2008 8:49 am
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
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Hi

QUOTE - y guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered

'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his

output as income-producing rather than great literature in the

Victoria/Edwardian sense. UNQUOTE


Your are quite correct but Doyle was wrong - I would say truly great literature
is that which lasts all these years and creates household names from their
characters. That is thr true definition of Great. Not some pompous, self
important text that will be forgotten next year.
Gary


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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:37:36 +0100
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature




















             There is a great deal wrong with the way the Nobel prizes are
allocated and

this is becoming more and more recognised.  The other major prize - far less

well-known but in many ways much more admirable - is the Right Livelihood

Award Foundation (www.rightlivelihood.org/guidelines_english.html) which is

not for famous people but for people who deserve to be recognised.  This

doesn't seem to include Literature, however, and is more concerned with

social justice.  Two latest winners are -



Krishnammal Jagannathan and Sankaralingam Jagannathan, two lifelong

activists for social justice, and for sustainable human development, working

with those who are at the lowest rung of the social ladder. They have

carried the Gandhian legacy into the 21st century, never ceasing to serve

the needs of Dalits, landless and those threatened by the greed of landlords

and multinational corporations.



My guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered

'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his

output as income-producing rather than great literature in the

Victoria/Edwardian sense.



Tim



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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of sumalsn

Sent: 02 October 2008 02:47

To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...

Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



Dear Holmesians,

It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to

writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is

never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the

list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly

read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan

Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary

on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.

Sumalsn



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#2605 From: "Tim Symonds" <tim.symonds@...>
Date:: Thu Oct 2, 2008 8:37 am
Subject:: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
tim.symonds@...
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There is a great deal wrong with the way the Nobel prizes are allocated and
this is becoming more and more recognised.  The other major prize - far less
well-known but in many ways much more admirable - is the Right Livelihood
Award Foundation (www.rightlivelihood.org/guidelines_english.html) which is
not for famous people but for people who deserve to be recognised.  This
doesn't seem to include Literature, however, and is more concerned with
social justice.  Two latest winners are -



Krishnammal Jagannathan and Sankaralingam Jagannathan, two lifelong
activists for social justice, and for sustainable human development, working
with those who are at the lowest rung of the social ladder. They have
carried the Gandhian legacy into the 21st century, never ceasing to serve
the needs of Dalits, landless and those threatened by the greed of landlords
and multinational corporations.



My guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered
'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his
output as income-producing rather than great literature in the
Victoria/Edwardian sense.



Tim

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Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



Dear Holmesians,
It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to
writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
Sumalsn





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#2604 From: "james27word" <james27word@...>
Date:: Thu Oct 2, 2008 6:26 am
Subject:: Re: Nobel prize- Literature
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Most reasonably the chosen few have an appeal to perhaps a sort of
self appointed elite so deeply entrenched in matters of popular
discussions
among the "educated"  and tenured literati that regular folks are
always on the outside looking in.............however.......longevity
and sales are the true test of good work in literature. I believe SH
appeals to all levels of society and consequently "taints" itself with
the elbow rubbing of everyday folks who may just enjoy a good read. I
have a prediction that SH literature will be alive and well in another
hundred years or even more. I think the works of the "winners" will be
in a back file somewhere...seldom read except by a miserable few
reviewing archaic stories for some student paper or worse.  ERB and SH
and more.........will always be around for us to enjoy and ponder and
relish the delicious minutae of these great works.
Anyhow.........just my two cents worth

James27Word

by the way......I now work and live here in Honolulu......pricey but
nice...................cheers

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
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>
> Dear Holmesians,
> It is a well known fact that Nobel prize  In Literature is given to
> writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
> never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
> list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
> read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
> Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
> on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
> Sumalsn
>

#2603 From: "swati goswami" <swatigoswami03@...>
Date:: Thu Oct 2, 2008 6:25 am
Subject:: Re :[sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
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hey all !I downloaded most of the cases from youtube.com and above all some very
exciting interviews of Brett and Edward Hardwick.I am glued all the
time.RegardsSwati

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#2602 From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@...>
Date:: Thu Oct 2, 2008 4:28 am
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
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Dear Sumal and other Holmesians,
 
You are very correct in your statement that most writers with a Nobel
prize in Literature are actually not very popular amongst readers. Not only a
Nobel, even other renowned prizes like the Booker. For example, I've read both
Arundhati Roy and Salman Rushdie (well, I couldn't actually get through the
Moor's Last Sigh) and I find neither as likeable as, say, a Terry Pratchett or a
PG Wodehouse (or even Sir ACD whose short stories are much more popular than his
novels).
 
I don't know exactly what kind of things the selectors take into consideration,
but they can't be very good now, can they?
 
 
Sridhar
PS: Or the reason I don't like those "winners" is because I exclusively read
fast-paced adventure/fantasy/sci-fi/humour novels and murder mysteries and,
frankly, non-fiction bores me to death.

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From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 7:16 AM






Dear Holmesians,
It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to
writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
Sumalsn


















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#2601 From: sumalsn
Date:: Thu Oct 2, 2008 1:46 am
Subject:: Nobel prize- Literature
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Dear Holmesians,
It is a well known fact that Nobel prize  In Literature is given to
writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
Sumalsn

#2600 From: sridhar C <cs_gollum@...>
Date:: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:27 am
Subject:: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: An anecdote from Sir Doyle's life
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Dear Sumant and SHians,
 
As often as this anecdote has been repeated, it doesn't seem to stale.
 
 
Sridhar

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From: sumant30 <sumant30@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: An anecdote from Sir Doyle's
life
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 8:27 PM






--- In SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in, sumalsn
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>
> Dear Holmesians,
> An interesting anecdote from Sir Doyle, I do not know whether this
> has been discussed here before-,
> Sir Doyle would repeat for the rest of his life an anecdote from
> his first American lecture tour, in 1894. A cabby, dropping him off,
> asked for a ticket to that night's lecture instead of a fare.
>
> ''How on earth did you recognize me?'' Doyle asked.
>
> The cabman replied: ''If you will excuse me, your coat lapels are
> badly twisted downward, where they have been grasped by the
> pertinacious New York reporters. Your hair has the Quakerish cut of
> a Philadelphia barber, and your hat, battered at the brim in front,
> shows where you have tightly grasped it, in the struggle to stand
> your ground at a Chicago literary luncheon. Your right shoe has a
> large block of Buffalo mud just under the instep; the odor of a
> Utica cigar hangs about your clothing. . . . And, of course, the
> labels on your case give a full account of your recent travels --
> just below the brass plaque reading 'Conan Doyle.'
> So it goes
> Sumalsn
>
Shows how Sherlock influenced everybody.


















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