Dear Holmesians,
Can anyone think of a Nobel Laureate who has written detective fiction ?

Maybe we could define two terms "Classics" and "Literature".  Classics are the
ones which we enjoy throughout our years - youngsters, adults, seniors etc - and
pass across generations.  SH definitely fits there - along with Dickens, Jane
Austen, whom we love reading again and again.  Terry Pratchett is tremendous
fun, but may not make the mark by itself - its likeability is mostly due to the
satire of the original classics and so is a derived enjoyment.

Literature (at least to me) brings up images of boring classrooms where
stiff-necked scholars debate over minutiae which no-one ever bothers about.  And
the Nobel prize awards the most obscure amongst them.  In actual fact, I cannot
remember ANY Nobel literature winner nor his/her work (but that too may be
because I never read that genre ;-)  There might also be clauses in the award
criteria related to social welfare, and even though SH gives a tremendous amount
of mental enjoyment, it would fail in that.
I also have a sneaky feeling that the award committee consist of serious
scholars so steeped in 'literature' that they would even refuse to acknowledge
that they read SH (or any other enjoyable work), instead preferring Dante's
Inferno for a light read ;-)


--- On Thu, 10/2/08, gary dobbs <garydobbs@...> wrote:
From: gary dobbs <garydobbs@...>
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 9:49 AM













Hi



QUOTE - y guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered



'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his



output as income-producing rather than great literature in the



Victoria/Edwardian sense. UNQUOTE



Your are quite correct but Doyle was wrong - I would say truly great literature
is that which lasts all these years and creates household names from their
characters. That is thr true definition of Great. Not some pompous, self
important text that will be forgotten next year.

Gary



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From: tim.symonds@ shevolution. com

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:37:36 +0100

Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



There is a great deal wrong with the way the Nobel prizes are allocated and



this is becoming more and more recognised.  The other major prize - far less



well-known but in many ways much more admirable - is the Right Livelihood



Award Foundation (www.rightlivelihoo d.org/guidelines _english. html) which is



not for famous people but for people who deserve to be recognised.  This



doesn't seem to include Literature, however, and is more concerned with



social justice.  Two latest winners are -



Krishnammal Jagannathan and Sankaralingam Jagannathan, two lifelong



activists for social justice, and for sustainable human development, working



with those who are at the lowest rung of the social ladder. They have



carried the Gandhian legacy into the 21st century, never ceasing to serve



the needs of Dalits, landless and those threatened by the greed of landlords



and multinational corporations.



My guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered



'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his



output as income-producing rather than great literature in the



Victoria/Edwardian sense.



Tim



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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in] On Behalf Of sumalsn



Sent: 02 October 2008 02:47



To: SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in



Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



Dear Holmesians,



It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to



writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is



never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the



list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly



read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan



Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary



on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.



Sumalsn



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Hi

QUOTE - y guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered

'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his

output as income-producing rather than great literature in the

Victoria/Edwardian sense. UNQUOTE


Your are quite correct but Doyle was wrong - I would say truly great literature
is that which lasts all these years and creates household names from their
characters. That is thr true definition of Great. Not some pompous, self
important text that will be forgotten next year.
Gary


To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
From: tim.symonds@...
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:37:36 +0100
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature




















             There is a great deal wrong with the way the Nobel prizes are
allocated and

this is becoming more and more recognised.  The other major prize - far less

well-known but in many ways much more admirable - is the Right Livelihood

Award Foundation (www.rightlivelihood.org/guidelines_english.html) which is

not for famous people but for people who deserve to be recognised.  This

doesn't seem to include Literature, however, and is more concerned with

social justice.  Two latest winners are -



Krishnammal Jagannathan and Sankaralingam Jagannathan, two lifelong

activists for social justice, and for sustainable human development, working

with those who are at the lowest rung of the social ladder. They have

carried the Gandhian legacy into the 21st century, never ceasing to serve

the needs of Dalits, landless and those threatened by the greed of landlords

and multinational corporations.



My guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered

'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his

output as income-producing rather than great literature in the

Victoria/Edwardian sense.



Tim



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From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...

[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of sumalsn

Sent: 02 October 2008 02:47

To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...

Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



Dear Holmesians,

It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to

writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is

never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the

list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly

read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan

Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary

on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.

Sumalsn



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There is a great deal wrong with the way the Nobel prizes are allocated and
this is becoming more and more recognised.  The other major prize - far less
well-known but in many ways much more admirable - is the Right Livelihood
Award Foundation (www.rightlivelihood.org/guidelines_english.html) which is
not for famous people but for people who deserve to be recognised.  This
doesn't seem to include Literature, however, and is more concerned with
social justice.  Two latest winners are -



Krishnammal Jagannathan and Sankaralingam Jagannathan, two lifelong
activists for social justice, and for sustainable human development, working
with those who are at the lowest rung of the social ladder. They have
carried the Gandhian legacy into the 21st century, never ceasing to serve
the needs of Dalits, landless and those threatened by the greed of landlords
and multinational corporations.



My guess about the Sherlock Holmes' stories is they were not considered
'Great Literature'.  Even Conan Doyle himself considered this part of his
output as income-producing rather than great literature in the
Victoria/Edwardian sense.



Tim

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From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of sumalsn
Sent: 02 October 2008 02:47
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature



Dear Holmesians,
It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to
writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
Sumalsn





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Most reasonably the chosen few have an appeal to perhaps a sort of
self appointed elite so deeply entrenched in matters of popular
discussions
among the "educated"  and tenured literati that regular folks are
always on the outside looking in.............however.......longevity
and sales are the true test of good work in literature. I believe SH
appeals to all levels of society and consequently "taints" itself with
the elbow rubbing of everyday folks who may just enjoy a good read. I
have a prediction that SH literature will be alive and well in another
hundred years or even more. I think the works of the "winners" will be
in a back file somewhere...seldom read except by a miserable few
reviewing archaic stories for some student paper or worse.  ERB and SH
and more.........will always be around for us to enjoy and ponder and
relish the delicious minutae of these great works.
Anyhow.........just my two cents worth

James27Word

by the way......I now work and live here in Honolulu......pricey but
nice...................cheers

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> It is a well known fact that Nobel prize  In Literature is given to
> writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
> never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
> list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
> read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
> Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
> on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
> Sumalsn
>

hey all !I downloaded most of the cases from youtube.com and above all some very
exciting interviews of Brett and Edward Hardwick.I am glued all the
time.RegardsSwati

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Dear Sumal and other Holmesians,
 
You are very correct in your statement that most writers with a Nobel
prize in Literature are actually not very popular amongst readers. Not only a
Nobel, even other renowned prizes like the Booker. For example, I've read both
Arundhati Roy and Salman Rushdie (well, I couldn't actually get through the
Moor's Last Sigh) and I find neither as likeable as, say, a Terry Pratchett or a
PG Wodehouse (or even Sir ACD whose short stories are much more popular than his
novels).
 
I don't know exactly what kind of things the selectors take into consideration,
but they can't be very good now, can they?
 
 
Sridhar
PS: Or the reason I don't like those "winners" is because I exclusively read
fast-paced adventure/fantasy/sci-fi/humour novels and murder mysteries and,
frankly, non-fiction bores me to death.

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Nobel prize- Literature
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 7:16 AM






Dear Holmesians,
It is a well known fact that Nobel prize In Literature is given to
writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
Sumalsn


















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Dear Holmesians,
It is a well known fact that Nobel prize  In Literature is given to
writers whose ability is beyond doubt, however their popularity is
never as much as that of popular fiction writers.A mere look at the
list of winners is testimony to the fact that most of them are hardly
read , far less remembered. Why is that writers like Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle miss out on the Nobel Prize?Their works are as much a commentary
on human life as any other.Mebers, rush in with your discussions.
Sumalsn

Dear Sumant and SHians,
 
As often as this anecdote has been repeated, it doesn't seem to stale.
 
 
Sridhar

--- On Fri, 9/19/08, sumant30 <sumant30@...> wrote:

From: sumant30 <sumant30@...>
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: An anecdote from Sir Doyle's
life
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 8:27 PM






--- In SherlockHolmesSocie tyofIndia@ yahoogroups. co.in, sumalsn
<no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> An interesting anecdote from Sir Doyle, I do not know whether this
> has been discussed here before-,
> Sir Doyle would repeat for the rest of his life an anecdote from
> his first American lecture tour, in 1894. A cabby, dropping him off,
> asked for a ticket to that night's lecture instead of a fare.
>
> ''How on earth did you recognize me?'' Doyle asked.
>
> The cabman replied: ''If you will excuse me, your coat lapels are
> badly twisted downward, where they have been grasped by the
> pertinacious New York reporters. Your hair has the Quakerish cut of
> a Philadelphia barber, and your hat, battered at the brim in front,
> shows where you have tightly grasped it, in the struggle to stand
> your ground at a Chicago literary luncheon. Your right shoe has a
> large block of Buffalo mud just under the instep; the odor of a
> Utica cigar hangs about your clothing. . . . And, of course, the
> labels on your case give a full account of your recent travels --
> just below the brass plaque reading 'Conan Doyle.'
> So it goes
> Sumalsn
>
Shows how Sherlock influenced everybody.


















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--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., Johnny Bravo
<dio1988@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Saw the Jeremy Bret and Edward Hardwicke enactment of the Mazarin
Stone recently and they have crossed the Mazarin Stone tale with that
of the 3 Garridebs... felt totally let down...
>
> I always wondered about the times when Doyle was alive and which
tales would be ideal to enact on stage and if Doyle had seen any of
these skits...
>
> Always felt that the "Mazarin Stone" tale was the best to enact on
stage as it is set in the rooms of Baker Street itself...
>
> Felt the same about the 3 Garridebs as there are only 2 scenes ; one
at baker street and the other in Mr. Garrideb's residence....
>
> To see both these tales crossed with Mycroft and Sherlock Holmes
putting in an appearence in the end.... felt like these guys are
pandering Holmes to Hollywood watchers...
>
> What do you all think ?
>
> Cheers
>
I think Jeremy Brett was the best actor who played Sherlock Holmes as
he showed the coldness and sometimes the anguish of Sherlock Holmes to
perfection.Also Doctor Watson was also nicely played.

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> An interesting anecdote from Sir Doyle, I do not know whether this
> has been discussed here before-,
>    Sir Doyle would repeat for the rest of his life an anecdote from
> his first American lecture tour, in 1894. A cabby, dropping him off,
> asked for a ticket to that night's lecture instead of a fare.
>
> ''How on earth did you recognize me?'' Doyle asked.
>
> The cabman replied: ''If you will excuse me, your coat lapels are
> badly twisted downward, where they have been grasped by the
> pertinacious New York reporters. Your hair has the Quakerish cut of
> a Philadelphia barber, and your hat, battered at the brim in front,
> shows where you have tightly grasped it, in the struggle to stand
> your ground at a Chicago literary luncheon. Your right shoe has a
> large block of Buffalo mud just under the instep; the odor of a
> Utica cigar hangs about your clothing. . . . And, of course, the
> labels on your case give a full account of your recent travels --
> just below the brass plaque reading 'Conan Doyle.'
> So it goes
> Sumalsn
>
Shows how Sherlock influenced everybody.

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> A new patische on SH has been published with details of the
> publications.The link is as follows,
>  http://www.sherlockholmeslives.com/
> Sumalsn
>
Great book will have to find it online probably in a audio format.

Dear Holmesians,
A new patische on SH has been published with details of the
publications.The link is as follows,
  http://www.sherlockholmeslives.com/
Sumalsn

Dear Holmesian,
I would like all members to read this link. Food for thought and ens
very philosophically too!!
http://commonwealthandcommonwealth.blogspot.com/2008/09/holmes-vs-
watson.html
Sumalsn

Dear James and Holmesians,
Welcome back after a long time. Your video link is malfunctioning!!!
Sumalsn

Dear Jeff and Holmesians,
That was a great reply. I never knew all the facts you had posted.
Thanks for increasing my knowledge on this aspect of Sir Doyle.
Sumalsn

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/sherlock_holmes_true_story.php

well spotted Tim.

Of course, the other trivia question which applies to Charles Grey would be to
name the film in which he plays a modern Napoleon of Crime, but I think that one
is too easy.

Jeff

> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1.1. Charles Grey
> Posted by: "Tim Symonds" tim.symonds@...
> Date: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:42 pm
>
> Charles Grey, was the other film the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> _____
>
> From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
> [mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of jeff
> katz
> Sent: 12 September 2008 15:56
> To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
> Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 1017
>
>
>
>
> Hi Johnny,
>
> It's actually much more tragic - Jeremy Brett was dying at the time. The
> script was rewritten hurredly to account for the missing scenes. Edward
> Hardwicke and Charles Grey put in a great deal of effort, but the story is
> not that strong to begin with. I think ACD originally intended it to be a
> one-act play, "The Crown Diamond," which ran in 1921. Doyle rewrote it as a
> short story for the Strand a few years later.
>
> A piece of trivia - Charles Grey may be the only actor to play Mycroft for
> two different Sherlocks. He played the role in Herbert Ross's 1976 film "The
> Seven Per Cent Solution," opposite Nicol Williamson and Robert Duvall. For
> some reason this film has not been release on DVD.
>
> Charles Grey also played a criminologist in another famous film, but I leave
> the name of that film as an open challenge to the reader.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Jeff
>
>> __________________________________________________________
>> 1.1. Totally Disappointed with the TV version of the Mazarin Stone
>> Posted by: "Johnny Bravo" dio1988@yahoo.  com
> dio1988
>> Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 1:03 pm
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Saw the Jeremy Bret and Edward Hardwicke enactment of the Mazarin Stone
> recently and they have crossed the Mazarin Stone tale with that of the 3
> Garridebs... felt totally let down...
>>
>> I always wondered about the times when Doyle was alive and which tales
> would be ideal to enact on stage and if Doyle had seen any of these skits...
>>
>> Always felt that the "Mazarin Stone" tale was the best to enact on stage
> as it is set in the rooms of Baker Street itself...
>>
>> Felt the same about the 3 Garridebs as there are only 2 scenes ; one at
> baker street and the other in Mr. Garrideb's residence....
>>
>> To see both these tales crossed with Mycroft and Sherlock Holmes putting
> in an appearence in the end.... felt like these guys are pandering Holmes to
> Hollywood watchers...
>>
>> What do you all think ?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

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[mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...] On Behalf Of jeff
katz
Sent: 12 September 2008 15:56
To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Digest Number 1017




Hi Johnny,

It's actually much more tragic - Jeremy Brett was dying at the time. The
script was rewritten hurredly to account for the missing scenes. Edward
Hardwicke and Charles Grey put in a great deal of effort, but the story is
not that strong to begin with. I think ACD originally intended it to be a
one-act play, "The Crown Diamond," which ran in 1921. Doyle rewrote it as a
short story for the Strand a few years later.

A piece of trivia - Charles Grey may be the only actor to play Mycroft for
two different Sherlocks. He played the role in Herbert Ross's 1976 film "The
Seven Per Cent Solution," opposite Nicol Williamson and Robert Duvall. For
some reason this film has not been release on DVD.

Charles Grey also played a criminologist in another famous film, but I leave
the name of that film as an open challenge to the reader.

best wishes,

Jeff

> __________________________________________________________
> 1.1. Totally Disappointed with the TV version of the Mazarin Stone
> Posted by: "Johnny Bravo" dio1988@yahoo. <mailto:dio1988%40yahoo.com> com
dio1988
> Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 1:03 pm
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Saw the Jeremy Bret and Edward Hardwicke enactment of the Mazarin Stone
recently and they have crossed the Mazarin Stone tale with that of the 3
Garridebs... felt totally let down...
>
> I always wondered about the times when Doyle was alive and which tales
would be ideal to enact on stage and if Doyle had seen any of these skits...
>
> Always felt that the "Mazarin Stone" tale was the best to enact on stage
as it is set in the rooms of Baker Street itself...
>
> Felt the same about the 3 Garridebs as there are only 2 scenes ; one at
baker street and the other in Mr. Garrideb's residence....
>
> To see both these tales crossed with Mycroft and Sherlock Holmes putting
in an appearence in the end.... felt like these guys are pandering Holmes to
Hollywood watchers...
>
> What do you all think ?
>
> Cheers
>

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Hi Johnny,

It's actually much more tragic - Jeremy Brett was dying at the time. The script
was rewritten hurredly to account for the missing scenes. Edward Hardwicke and
Charles Grey put in a great deal of effort, but the story is not that strong to
begin with. I think ACD originally intended it to be a one-act play, "The Crown
Diamond," which ran in 1921. Doyle rewrote it as a short story for the Strand a
few years later.

A piece of trivia - Charles Grey may be the only actor to play Mycroft for two
different Sherlocks. He played the role in Herbert Ross's 1976 film "The Seven
Per Cent Solution," opposite Nicol Williamson and Robert Duvall. For some reason
this film has not been release on DVD.

Charles Grey also played a criminologist in another famous film, but I leave the
name of that film as an open challenge to the reader.

best wishes,

Jeff


> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1.1. Totally Disappointed with the TV version of the Mazarin Stone
> Posted by: "Johnny Bravo" dio1988@... dio1988
> Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 1:03 pm
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Saw the Jeremy Bret and Edward Hardwicke enactment of the Mazarin Stone
recently and they have crossed the Mazarin Stone tale with that of the 3
Garridebs... felt totally let down...
>
> I always wondered about the times when Doyle was alive and which tales would
be ideal to enact on stage and if Doyle had seen any of these skits...
>
> Always felt that the "Mazarin Stone" tale was the best to enact on stage as it
is set in the rooms of Baker Street itself...
>
> Felt the same about the 3 Garridebs as there are only 2 scenes ; one at baker
street and the other in Mr. Garrideb's residence....
>
> To see both these tales crossed with Mycroft and Sherlock Holmes putting in an
appearence in the end.... felt like these guys are pandering Holmes to Hollywood
watchers...
>
> What do you all think ?
>
> Cheers
>

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Hello Sumalsn,

In at least two cases ACD gave his approval - first, in 1912 when the
Anglo-French Film Company bought the rights to make a series based on the
stories, starring Georges Treville (of the twelve films made, one survives - 
and 10 minute version of "The Copper Beeches").

In 1921, when the Stoll Company bought the rights, he gave a speech at a dinner
in honor of the star of the series, Ellie Norwood. That speech has been
reprinted in "The Uncollected Sherlock Holmes." I think that he also mentions
them in his autobiography. There were 47 of them, two-reelers (20 minutes) and a
longer version of "The Hound of the Baskervilles." I've heard that this film
survives, but has not been made available. I've seen three of the shorts - "The
Dying Detective," "The Man with the Twisted Lip," and "The Devil's Foot."

I think that in both these cases Doyle was motivated partly by publicity - he
was a keen businessman and protected his interests. The 1912 film deal was
partly in response to the dozens of films made that used his characters without
permission. There was a similar issue with Gillette's play - in 1894 Doyle
sought and was granted an injuction closing down a stage production called "The
Sign of Four." There were several other plays that used his characters, but not
his stories, and so were legal under copyright law. In an attempt to protect his
interests and make some money he wrote his own play and sent it to Sir Henry
Irving. Irving wanted to make substantial changes, so the project was shelved.
Later Doyle sent it to the producer Charles Frohman, who sent it to the
actor/producer William Gillette, who worked with Doyle to create the play
"Sherlock Holmes" that ran off and on for over 30 years.

The Doyle family maintained this keen interest for the next 50 years - you'll
see many later films with a statement along the lines of "the characters are
from the stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and are used with the permissionof
Dame Jean Conan Doyle."

best wishes,

Jeff

________________________________________________________________________
> 1. Sir Doyle and Sherlock Holmes Films
> Posted by: "sumalsn" no_reply@... sumalsn
> Date: Sun Sep 7, 2008 8:48 am
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> Did Sir Doyle happen to see any of the Sherlock Holmes Films? What
> would have been his opinion on them. Remember, authours are geneerally
> unhappy with the cinematic version of their creation. The most
> celebrated instance which comes to my mind is, "The Guide". Mr RK
> Narayan was annoyed with the movie"The Guide" produced by Dev Anand so
> much that he cut off all ties with the director and had a war of words
> with them on this issue. Now that Guy Ritchie is making a Sherlock
> Holmes film,will this issue not be reexamined again?
> Sumalsn
>

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Know what you mean but without a doubt Bret was the most literal version of
Holmes.
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To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
From: dio1988@...
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:33:47 -0700
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Totally Disappointed with the TV
version of the Mazarin Stone




















             Hi Folks,



Saw the Jeremy Bret and Edward Hardwicke enactment of the Mazarin Stone recently
and they have crossed the Mazarin Stone tale with that of the 3 Garridebs...
felt totally let down...



I always wondered about the times when Doyle was alive and which tales would be
ideal to enact on stage and if Doyle had seen any of these skits...



Always felt that the "Mazarin Stone" tale was the best to enact on stage as it
is set in the rooms of Baker Street itself...



Felt the same about the 3 Garridebs as there are only 2 scenes ; one at baker
street and the other in Mr. Garrideb's residence....



To see both these tales crossed with Mycroft and Sherlock Holmes putting in an
appearence in the end.... felt like these guys are pandering Holmes to Hollywood
watchers...



What do you all think ?



Cheers
























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Hi Folks,

Saw the Jeremy Bret and Edward Hardwicke enactment of the Mazarin Stone recently
and they have crossed the Mazarin Stone tale with that of the 3 Garridebs...
felt totally let down...

I always wondered about the times when Doyle was alive and which tales would be
ideal to enact on stage and if Doyle had seen any of these skits...

Always felt that the "Mazarin Stone" tale was the best to enact on stage as it
is set in the rooms of Baker Street itself...

Felt the same about the 3 Garridebs as there are only 2 scenes ; one at baker
street and the other in Mr. Garrideb's residence....

To see both these tales crossed with Mycroft and Sherlock Holmes putting in an
appearence in the end.... felt like these guys are pandering Holmes to Hollywood
watchers...

What do you all think ?

Cheers

Hi Dr. Roy,

     Congratulations on this very fantastic and unique achievement.
It was news to me when I read (in another thread) that you are
just 29 years old, younger than myself in fact. To be very frank,
I had the picture of an old gangling "bong" professor in my mind,
whenever I read your posts ! :)

    Congrats and I wish your book all the best. Considering the
rarity of Sherlock Holmes/detective literature and especially
literature of a critic nature (which I guess is the correct genre
your book belongs to), I assume it will be well received.

   I will try to get a copy once it is available online.

Best,

--Anand

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> Dear Pinaki and Holmesians,
> Heartiest congratulations on your singular achievement. Your book will
> be well received, I am certain of that. can you provide me your mobile
> No., I will be eager to congratulate you in person. Members can be
> requested to purchase the book also.
> Sumalsn
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-Anand

Dear Friends,
 
In response to this query I can only state that Sir Doyle had genuinely liked
the play "Sherlock Holmes" by William Gillette, that had taken several liberties
(including getting Sherlock Holmes married!) in its production. Although he had
criticised the intorduction of some of the modern gadgets like telephone in the
gaslit world of Holmes (as displayed in few other plays based on Sherlock
Holmes), I don't think he would be shocked or aghast if Guy Ritchie proves to be
an even greater libertine, esp. since Sir Doyle didn't have any particular
fascination for Sherlock Holmes.
 
With best wishes,
 
Riju


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Dear Holmesians,
Did Sir Doyle happen to see any of the Sherlock Holmes Films? What
would have been his opinion on them. Remember, authours are geneerally
unhappy with the cinematic version of their creation. The most
celebrated instance which comes to my mind is, "The Guide". Mr RK
Narayan was annoyed with the movie"The Guide" produced by Dev Anand so
much that he cut off all ties with the director and had a war of words
with them on this issue. Now that Guy Ritchie is making a Sherlock
Holmes film,will this issue not be reexamined again?
Sumalsn

Dear Jeff and Holmesians,
I think we should do that.Of course with Dr Pinaki's permission so as
to reach a wider group of Holmesians all over the world. Mr Peter Blau
will only be too happy to oblige!
Sumalsn

Dear Jeff,Thank you for your kind offer. Actually, now that the book has bee
released, I guess there isn't any problem in announcing its arrival. It is
scheduled to be officially released in early September 2008.And, by the way, it
is 'Pinaki' and not 'Dr. Roy'. It feels awkward to be thus addressed, and it
gives me an old-age seriousness (though I am twenty-nine right now).Yours
sincerely,(Pinaki Roy)





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