Dear Holmesians,
A repoll is on but voting has slackened a lot except for the old
faithful nothing is happening.Mark, anand, bhatiaji, what is on ? I
think the cold is slowing us a lot.Remember ,the master lived in
London ,a place much colder than India.come on guys , hard work broke
no bones
sumal
Hello Holmesians,
Apart from the fascinating insight, Mark has so wonderfully shown
about Sir Conan Doyle, I can add on a bit.Sir Arthur was also
involved in identifying the Piltdown man.This Piltdown man was a
skull found by an amateur anthropologist,Mr Charles Dawson who
discovered a skull which was interpreted by experts as being the
missing link which established that man had indeed descended from
ape.However ,it was much later that it was discovered that it was a
fraud perpetuated by the lawyer ,Dawson .In this affair ,conan doyle
had actually identified the skull as being authentic ,a bad case of
judgement,it seems in the retrospect.Sir arthur was also deeply
interested in seances but that is a different story which can be told
later
sumal
A deerstalker is defined in two ways. Firstly, a man who stalks deer. This is
always a man as women are far too sensible. Secondly, as the hat worn by the man
while he stalks the aforementioned deer.
This hat is usually made of a checked material and is probably most recognisable
as the hat worn by one Sherlock Holmes, although it must be stressed that there
is no evidence to suggest that Holmes himself ever engaged in the stalking of
deer. A further notable feature of this hat are the two pieces of fabric that
can be folded down around the head to keep the ears warm, or make your voice
louder.
The latter of these is one of the less obvious consequences of utilising this
feature of the Deerstalker and is sourced from the same logic as the vocal
volume increase caused by the use of a personal stereo. Another of the less
obvious consequences of the Deerstalker is that, when in the folded-down
position, it makes you look like an utter fool.
This has lead some parties to speculate that the reason the Deerstalker is so
used by deerstalkers is because of the hat's ability to guarentee even the most
glamorous and charismatic, a place in the 100 Most Ridiculed People on the
Planet. And while the deer is giggling uncontrollably at the sight Deerstalker,
the deerstalker is able to blow a hole through it's chest with a gun.
Manraviel
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Another essay by the same writer:
To a large extent all fictional heroes mirror their authors, and Sherlock Holmes
is no exception. His personality and penchant for astounding revelations were
borrowed from Dr. Bell; his use of disguises, his devotion to the “chase,” and
his experimentation into the science of detection came from Vidocq and his
fictional progeny, Dupin and Lecoq. But Holmes’s righteous desire to uncover the
truth no matter how difficult came from Conan Doyle himself.
Arthur Conan Doyle near the end of his career
(AP/Wide World)
Throughout his life, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle investigated crimes as an amateur
sleuth. Motivated by a strong sense that justice had not been done by the
authorities, he undertook these investigations with vigor and resolve,
publishing his findings in the hope that the falsely accused would be
vindicated. One of Conan Doyle’s most well known crusades was the case of
George Edalji, an Anglo-Indian solicitor, who in 1903 was convicted of maiming
livestock in the farm country surrounding the village of Great Wyrley. Edalji
was serving a seven-year sentence when Conan Doyle took up his cause.
Suspicion fell on Edalji when the local police started to receive disturbing
letters taking credit for the animal mutilations. In the letters Edalji was
identified as one of the perpetrators: “…It is not true that we always do it
when the moon is young and the one Edalji killed on April 11th was a full moon
night…”
Edalji was investigated and became the prime suspect in July 1903 after the
police received its most alarming letter to date. For some reason the unknown
writer changed person in this installment from “we” to “they,” but the threat is
clear. “There will be merry times in Wyrley in November,” the letter states,
“when they start on little girls, for they will do twenty wenches like the
horses before next March.” Terrified that their daughters would be slaughtered
like the horses and sheep that had already been attacked, the community felt it
had to act, and Edalji became the target of their fears as well as their
long-held prejudices.
Edalji’s father, the Rev. Shapuji Edalji, who had originally been a Parsee, had
emigrated from Bombay and married an Englishwoman whose uncle, an Anglican
clergyman, arranged for his post in Wyrley. Many of the locals resented having
a “black” vicar with a white wife and half-caste children. They felt that true
Englishmen should be spreading religion to the “blacks” of the world, not the
other way around.
George Edalji, the Reverend’s son, was a solicitor with a solid practice in
Birmingham. His success further rankled the bigoted locals who viewed this
slight, frail man with oddly bulging eyes as physically as well as socially
inferior. After the eighth incident of animal mutilation, the police went to
the Reverend’s house and searched for evidence of George Edalji’s involvement.
They found a pair of mud-encrusted boots, a pair of similarly mud-stained
trousers, an old housecoat that appeared to have spots of blood and horse
saliva, a coat and a waistcoat that contained horse hairs that matched the
latest victimized animal, and a set of razors which were “…wet and one had a
dark stain.”
The newspapers of the time dubbed George Edalji the “English Dreyfus” because
like the Jewish French soldier, Edalji was the victim of prejudice and dubious
written evidence. On first meeting Edalji, Conan Doyle had serious doubts that
he could ever have committed these crimes. In an analysis worthy of Sherlock
Holmes and Bell, Dr. Conan Doyle could see that the man’s eyesight was severely
impaired. A specialist confirmed that Edalji had “eight dioptres of myopia”
and no prescription lens could adequately improve his vision. Upon visiting the
crime scenes, some of which were difficult to enter through bushes and briar
patches, Conan Doyle became convinced that a physically unfit person with
Edalji’s impaired vision could not possibly have negotiated these muddy fields
in the dark.
Piece by piece, Conan Doyle evaluated the evidence that the police had gathered
and discredited their theories. The mud on Edalji’s boots and trousers was
black while the earth in the field where the last horse was maimed was yellow
clay. The dark spot on the razor was found to be rust not blood, and the
supposed traces of blood and horse saliva on his clothing were in fact food
stains. The police surgeon nevertheless maintained that the hairs found on
Edalji’s clothing did come from the eighth maimed horse.
Though Conan Doyle largely discredited the case against Edalji, the police
refused to release him. It was at this point that Conan Doyle himself then
began to receive threatening letters. In one of two that he received in May
1907, the writer says,
“…Desperate men have sworn their Bible oath to scoop out your liver and kidneys…
and there are those who say you have not long to live. I know from a detective
of Scotland Yard that if you write to Gladstone [the Home Secretary] and say you
find Edalji is guilty after all, and you were mistaken and promise to do no more
for him, they will make you a lord next year. Is it not better to be a lord
than to run the risk of losing kidneys and liver?...”
The police insisted that these threats had come from Edalji himself. Faced with
such a ridiculous proposition, Conan Doyle had no choice but to do what Sherlock
Holmes would do—find the real villain.
In the course of his investigation, Conan Doyle learned that similar vindictive
anonymous letters had been sent to the police eight years before the ones in
1903. These letters were written in the same tone and style as the later ones
– as well as the ones Conan Doyle received. After carefully inspecting all the
letters, he theorized that they were written by two people—one educated, the
other hotheaded and semiliterate. He also took note of the fact that letters
from both periods contained invective against the headmaster of the Walsall
Grammar School. Conan Doyle felt that at least one of the culprits had attended
Walsall and that he was away during the lull between 1895 and 1903.
As Conan Doyle wrote of his investigation, “My first step in the enquiry lay at
Walsall. I must enquire whether there had been at the school, during the early
nineties, any boy who (a) had a particular grudge against the headmaster, (b)
was innately vicious, and (c) subsequently went to sea? I took this obvious
step. And I got on the track of my man at once.”
He visited the headmaster at Walsall and asked if there were any former students
who fit these three criteria. The headmaster immediately pinpointed a young man
named Royden Sharp who had been a poor student and a disciplinary problem and
who had set out to sea as an apprentice in 1895. Conan Doyle delved further
into Sharp’s background and discovered that the young man had apprenticed at a
butcher’s shop immediately after his time at Walsall and that he had worked on
an Irish cattle boat. As Peter Costello says in his book, The Real World of
Sherlock Holmes, Royden Sharp “knew how to approach and handle animals: a vital
talent… for a cattle slasher.” Conan Doyle also found a witness who claimed that
Sharp had shown her a large horse-lancet, a blade specially designed for
slaughtering cattle, the same kind of blade that had been used to maim the
eighth horse.
The evidence overwhelmingly pointed to Royden Sharp, but Conan Doyle never
accused him publicly. Instead, he published papers proving Edalji’s innocence.
But the authorities ignored the findings, staunchly maintaining that Edalji was
the culprit. Edalji was released from prison after serving three of his seven
years. Eventually he was allowed to practice law again and lived to 85. Conan
Doyle was never able to uncover the identity of Sharp’s accomplice in writing
the letters, the “educated one.” He had considered Sharp’s older brother who
had moved to California, but could not assemble adequate evidence. Later
students of the case presented the possibility that George Edalji’s brother
Horace could have been involved. That contention was never proven conclusively.
Douglas Wilmer as Holmes (CORBIS)
As Martin Booth points out in his biography of Conan Doyle, The Doctor and the
Detective, the author and his creation shared many of the same characteristics.
They were both tall and fit, and they both boxed. They both enjoyed a “good
joke.” They were both pack rats who kept untidy quarters where documents and
books were piled high. Each had one brother. Both Sherlock Holmes and his
creator were agnostics. But these kinds of similarities are to be expected
between an author and his hero. In every hero there is always a large part of
the author’s personality. What’s interesting about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is
that he modeled himself on the character as much as he modeled the character on
himself, taking up cases and causes as Holmes would. No doubt, the yearning to
be a person like Sherlock Holmes was always there within him, but it took the
success of his stories to bring it out.
"I would have followed you, my Brother, my Captain, my King!!"
-----Boromir (FotR)
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth"
-----Sherlock Holmes (BLAN)
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An interesting essay written by Antony Bruno on the Parisian (and American)
connection of Sherlock Holmes:--
A reporter asked Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1894 if he had been influenced by the
work of Edgar Allen Poe. The creator of Sherlock Holmes replied, “Oh,
immensely! His detective is the best detective in fiction.”
The reporter asked if that assessment included Sherlock Holmes.
“I make no exception…,” Conan Doyle declared. “Dupin is unrivalled.”
Chevalier C. Auguste Dupin is the amateur detective who appears in Poe’s stories
“The Murders in the Rue Morgue” (1841), “The Mystery of Marie Roget” (1842), and
“The Purloined Letter” (1844), predating Sherlock Holmes’s debut in A Study in
Scarlet by nearly fifty years. These tales have rightfully earned Poe the
reputation as the father of the modern mystery. Other writers, such as
Dickens, wrote about crime and criminal enterprises, but no one before Poe made
the crime and its detection the central plot. Poe was the first to make the
amateur detective a hero. (It would be some time until writers dared cast an
actual policeman as a hero given society’s fear and mistrust of the police.)
He’s also the creator of the “locked-room” puzzle, a plot device in which a
murder is committed in a sealed room, a weapon is nowhere to be found, and there
are no signs of forcible entry or exit. Although Poe was an American, he
chose to make his hero a Frenchman and set his stories in
Paris.
Like Holmes, Dupin carries on his investigations with a sidekick who serves as a
stand-in for the reader, giving the detective the opportunity to voice his
brilliant deductions. But while Sherlock Holmes uses his keen observations to
uncover otherwise hidden truths, Dupin has the ability to replicate the thought
processes of others and in effect, read minds. Julian Symons in Bloody Murder
characterizes Dupin as “an emotionless reasoning machine.” By contrast, Holmes
is hardly emotionless, but he does avoid emotional entanglements and, as many
critics have pointed out, is something of a misanthrope.
Portrait of Edgar Allen Poe
(AP/Wide World)
Interestingly, though Conan Doyle openly acknowledged his debt to Poe, Sherlock
Holmes dismisses the American author’s detective in one story when he tells
Watson: “No doubt you think that you are complimenting me in comparing me to
Dupin… Now in my opinion, Dupin is a very inferior fellow. That trick of his of
breaking in on his friend’s thoughts with an apropos remark after a quarter of
an hour’s silence is really very showy and superficial. He has some analytical
genius, no doubt; but he was by no means such a phenomenon as Poe appeared to
imagine.”
It seems that Conan Doyle wanted to make it clear to his readers that his
creation was only inspired by Dupin, not an Anglicized double. Like all
authors, Conan Doyle was proud of what he created and wanted his originality
acknowledged.
Holmes is also critical of another popular fictional detective, Emile Gaboriau’s
Inspector Lecoq. “Lecoq was a miserable bungler…,” Holmes says. “…he had only
one thing to recommend him and that was his energy. That book made me
positively ill. The question was how to identify an unknown prisoner. I could
have done it in twenty-four hours. Lecoq took six months or so.”
Perhaps Conan Doyle wasn’t feeling particularly charitable on the day that he
wrote those lines, but in truth Gaboriau is not a storyteller in the same class
as Poe or Conan Doyle.
Gaboriau (1833-1873) was well-versed in the ways of the Sûreté (the French
security police), the local police of Paris, and the courts, and this knowledge
gives his work an air of authenticity. His police detective Lecoq first
appears as a minor character in Gaboriau’s early stories, probably because he
feared that his readers weren’t ready for a sympathetic policeman. Lecoq
gradually comes to the fore partnered with an amateur sleuth, then finally takes
center stage by himself in Monsieur Lecoq (1869).
Lecoq is described as “an old offender reconciled with the law,” one who had
been wrongly convicted. He is more observant than those around him, and like
Holmes, uses these observations for his deductions. For instance, a hand
impression in the snow reveals traces of a wedding band on the right hand, and
the marks of heavy, dragging footsteps in the snow lead Lecoq to conclude that
the suspect is a middle-aged man. (Middle age apparently was not as spry in the
19th century as it is today. Gaboriau himself died at the age of 40.) Lecoq is
the first fictional detective to make plaster footprint casts and to use a
striking clock as evidence of the time of a crime. Like Sherlock Holmes, he is
a master of disguise with an amazingly mobile face that he can “mold… according
to his will, as the sculptor molds clay for modeling.” Julian Symons in Bloody
Murder characterizes Lecoq as “self-seeking and vain, but… also honest.”
This description could also fit the first and perhaps greatest real-life
detective of all time, Eugène François Vidocq (1775-1857). It is no coincidence
that Lecoq’s name is reminiscent of Vidocq’s. Gaboriau correctly admired his
real-life model, for Vidocq was indeed larger than life and in many ways a
character of his own creation.
Portrait of Eugene Francois Vidocq (CORBIS)
The son of a baker, Vidocq was imprisoned for forgery as a young man. He
escaped, and continued to escape each time he was apprehended; earning Vidocq
the reputation as France’s slipperiest prisoner. No prison could hold him.
Like Houdini, he could foil the most difficult locks. Finally, the frustrated
authorities made him an offer. If he would spy on his fellow prisoners and
report all information he gathered regarding ongoing crimes, his sentence would
be reduced. Vidocq proved to be so adept, he was eventually offered his freedom
if he continued to spy for the police.
Vidocq firmly believed that it took a criminal to catch one, and he saw many
flaws in Paris police work. Napoleon was turning Paris into the jewel of Europe
at the time, building monuments and renovating entire neighborhoods. But what
was the use of turning Paris into a showplace if no one would visit because of
the appalling crime rate? The emperor ordered his police minister Joseph Fouché
to clean up the crime problem. Fouché allowed Vidocq to assemble a squadron of
former thieves, embezzlers, and street toughs who would use their wiles to
penetrate the underworld to not only solve crimes, but also sometimes prevent
them. Vidocq’s band of criminals turned officers was named the Sûreté and was
the basis for what would become the modern Sûreté.
The Sûreté was soon the most effective police agency in all of France, perhaps
in all the world. Before Vidocq individual police precincts were autonomous
agencies; they did not share information or pool resources. One did not have to
be a dastardly genius to figure out that by moving from precinct to precinct,
one could avoid apprehension. Vidocq changed all that by keeping meticulous
records and making that information available to all precincts. He also made
strides in footprint, handwriting and document analyses and even suggested
methods for the use of fingerprints. But first and foremost, Vidocq was a
hands-on investigator who frequently disguised himself to gather intelligence
from the criminal class. He maintained two personas for years—an old man and a
street thug. It was said that Vidocq could alter the perception of his height
by dress and attitude.
Vidocq was also a master at public relations, and some accused him of
instigating crimes so that he could earn high praise for solving them. Oddly,
for a man whose trade was stealth and disguise, he was something of a social
butterfly. He dined out every night. Among his close friends were the great
authors Honoré Balzac and Victor Hugo. Vidocq was said to have been the model
for Balzac’s Inspector Vautrin in Le Père Goriot and the inspiration for both
Jean Valjean and Inspector Javert in Hugo’s Les Misèrables. Vidocq’s memoirs,
which were most likely ghostwritten, are filled with fabulous tales of all forms
of skullduggery foiled by Vidocq’s brilliant detection and valiant rescues. In
all probability these tales were highly embellished, and in some cases complete
fiction. But Vidocq’s Mémoires can hardly detract from his accomplishments and
innovations.
Vidocq clearly was the primary model for Gaboriau’s Lecoq and Poe’s Dupin. Why
else would Poe have made his detective French? Most likely Conan Doyle was well
aware of Vidocq’s renown, but whether his inspiration for Holmes came
second-hand from Poe and Gaboriau or directly from Vidocq’s Mémoires as well as
other writings about him, there is no question that Sherlock Holmes’s lineage
stretches back to Vidocq.
The particulars of Sherlock Holmes—his use of deductive reasoning, elaborate
disguises, and scientific analysis to solve crimes—were the trademarks of
Vidocq, but unlike Poe’s Dupin and Gaboriau’s Lecoq, there is nothing
particularly French about Holmes. Though moody and often mysterious, at the
core Holmes is an Englishman, and for that aspect of his character, Conan Doyle
most definitely had an Anglo-Saxon model.
"I would have followed you, my Brother, my Captain, my King!!"
-----Boromir (FotR)
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth"
-----Sherlock Holmes (BLAN)
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I was out of action from office and everything the last 4 days
due to severe cold & fever. It is much better now.
I agree with Sumal and Sri that the discussion is going on
forever. It should not be allowed to drag on forever and become
a sort of jinxed issue, which will never get resolved. (Do I hear
"Kashmir" ?). So let us pull up our socks and tighten our belts,
take our pens and put on our thinking caps and do whatever to
get the grey cells clicking, in the right way :-)
My first vote was for BST. My second vote is for GAT, i.e
"Guardians of the Agra Treasure". There is an Indian connection
quite evident in the name. Also with due apologies to Sri, it
does not have any negative connotations at all.
I would suggest that some of the most senior members and most
contributing ones along with sherlockians like Balaji go ahead
and christen the new society. If you keep listening to new
members and postpone the decision, it will never be taken, as
the society will be adding new members as long as it is live.
So put your foot down and take the decision.
My vote is for GAT, once again.
regards
-ABP
--- In sherlockholmessocietyofindia@..., Doctor Watson
<watsonjh2002@y...> wrote:
> I also agree that this discussion is stretching on forever. Will
someone get the repoll over with quickly (that is if someone is
taking the responsibility, or else i will see to it). I still stress
that the phrase 'sherlock holmes' or 'baker street' should be
included in the name as it will be recognisable by non homesians
also. I had also suggested a name "The Khidmutgars of Baker Street".
This name had a very strong indian AND canonical reference and also
includes the said phrase. Khidmutgar mean servants.
>
> Manraviel
>
> Srifx <no_reply@...> wrote:
> I agree Sumal, we need to get on with discussing canonial issues.
> However if we seek recognition as a serious Holmesian group then
the
> name ought to spread and be recognizable.
>
> Probably because of my extensive research on the canon-thugee
> connection and the excitement of possible pastiches I'm still
biased
> towards the original name of "The Baker Street Thugees". However if
> this repoll list does not include that name then my second and very
> reluctant choice is "Guardians of the Agra Treasure". The name by
> itself still does not ring any bell with the casual Holmes
literatti.
>
> Again the condition that i am voting for GAG is that TBST is not in
> the repoll list. However if it is in the repoll list then I would
> stick to TBST and NOT consider GAG at all.
>
> SriFX
>
>
> --- In sherlockholmessocietyofindia@..., sumalsn
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Dear holmesians,
> > We seem to be stuck up in trifles.We call for a repoll at the
drop
> > of a hat but however fail to speak up when the poll is actually
> on.I
> > propose that we set an ultimatum to all the members to vote for
the
> > name,failing which it will be deemed that they have voted for the
> > name which is actually voted in first.The ultimatum expires on
Dec
> > 31.Members are not contributing also,what we all should try and
do
> is
> > to contribute at least once a week,even if they have nothing to
> > say.Except for a few , rest of us do not contribute at all.So
that
> is
> > all for now ,I hope to see some kind of a revival of sorts at the
> site
> > sumal
>
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> "I would have followed you, my Brother, my Captain, my King!!"
> -----Boromir (FotR)
>
> "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever
remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
> -----Sherlock Holmes (BLAN)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I also agree that this discussion is stretching on forever. Will someone get the
repoll over with quickly (that is if someone is taking the responsibility, or
else i will see to it). I still stress that the phrase 'sherlock holmes' or
'baker street' should be included in the name as it will be recognisable by non
homesians also. I had also suggested a name "The Khidmutgars of Baker Street".
This name had a very strong indian AND canonical reference and also includes the
said phrase. Khidmutgar mean servants.
Manraviel
Srifx <no_reply@...> wrote:
I agree Sumal, we need to get on with discussing canonial issues.
However if we seek recognition as a serious Holmesian group then the
name ought to spread and be recognizable.
Probably because of my extensive research on the canon-thugee
connection and the excitement of possible pastiches I'm still biased
towards the original name of "The Baker Street Thugees". However if
this repoll list does not include that name then my second and very
reluctant choice is "Guardians of the Agra Treasure". The name by
itself still does not ring any bell with the casual Holmes literatti.
Again the condition that i am voting for GAG is that TBST is not in
the repoll list. However if it is in the repoll list then I would
stick to TBST and NOT consider GAG at all.
SriFX
--- In sherlockholmessocietyofindia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Dear holmesians,
> We seem to be stuck up in trifles.We call for a repoll at the drop
> of a hat but however fail to speak up when the poll is actually
on.I
> propose that we set an ultimatum to all the members to vote for the
> name,failing which it will be deemed that they have voted for the
> name which is actually voted in first.The ultimatum expires on Dec
> 31.Members are not contributing also,what we all should try and do
is
> to contribute at least once a week,even if they have nothing to
> say.Except for a few , rest of us do not contribute at all.So that
is
> all for now ,I hope to see some kind of a revival of sorts at the
site
> sumal
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I agree Sumal, we need to get on with discussing canonial issues.
However if we seek recognition as a serious Holmesian group then the
name ought to spread and be recognizable.
Probably because of my extensive research on the canon-thugee
connection and the excitement of possible pastiches I'm still biased
towards the original name of "The Baker Street Thugees". However if
this repoll list does not include that name then my second and very
reluctant choice is "Guardians of the Agra Treasure". The name by
itself still does not ring any bell with the casual Holmes literatti.
Again the condition that i am voting for GAG is that TBST is not in
the repoll list. However if it is in the repoll list then I would
stick to TBST and NOT consider GAG at all.
SriFX
--- In sherlockholmessocietyofindia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Dear holmesians,
> We seem to be stuck up in trifles.We call for a repoll at the drop
> of a hat but however fail to speak up when the poll is actually
on.I
> propose that we set an ultimatum to all the members to vote for the
> name,failing which it will be deemed that they have voted for the
> name which is actually voted in first.The ultimatum expires on Dec
> 31.Members are not contributing also,what we all should try and do
is
> to contribute at least once a week,even if they have nothing to
> say.Except for a few , rest of us do not contribute at all.So that
is
> all for now ,I hope to see some kind of a revival of sorts at the
site
> sumal
Sumal,
You're right. We seem to have argued about the name, and then
stopped chatting altogether!
Guys! Let's finalize fast, and move on to more important issues,
like Canonical discussions.
=====
Balaji Narasimhan
Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs
http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm
=====
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Dear holmesians,
We seem to be stuck up in trifles.We call for a repoll at the drop
of a hat but however fail to speak up when the poll is actually on.I
propose that we set an ultimatum to all the members to vote for the
name,failing which it will be deemed that they have voted for the
name which is actually voted in first.The ultimatum expires on Dec
31.Members are not contributing also,what we all should try and do is
to contribute at least once a week,even if they have nothing to
say.Except for a few , rest of us do not contribute at all.So that is
all for now ,I hope to see some kind of a revival of sorts at the site
sumal
My vote is for
3.The guardians of Agra treasure.
Nikhil
----Original Message Follows----
From: sumalsn <no_reply@...>
Reply-To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Congratulations ,Anand
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:39:05 -0000
Dear Holmesians,
On behalf of all the members of this illustrious society ,I heartily
congratulate Anand getting a life partner and a house.I do hope his
wife is as devoted to Sherlock Holmes as she would be to Anand.I wish
both of you all happiness in the years to come.
I think we have come back to square one.As shakespeare aptly put it"
what is in a name?, A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".By
virtue of public demand ,I am reluctantly joining the debate.
My vote would go to
1.The Indian Sherlockian Society
2.The pondicherry lodge
3.The guardians of Agra treasure.
I would be mailing Anand seperately
sumal
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Dear Holmesians,
On behalf of all the members of this illustrious society ,I heartily
congratulate Anand getting a life partner and a house.I do hope his
wife is as devoted to Sherlock Holmes as she would be to Anand.I wish
both of you all happiness in the years to come.
I think we have come back to square one.As shakespeare aptly put it"
what is in a name?, A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".By
virtue of public demand ,I am reluctantly joining the debate.
My vote would go to
1.The Indian Sherlockian Society
2.The pondicherry lodge
3.The guardians of Agra treasure.
I would be mailing Anand seperately
sumal
A lot of Luck and Wishes to you for finding your life partner. And yes we are
all glad you are back.
Manraviel
"I would have followed you, my Brother, my Captain, my King!!"
-----Boromir (FotR)
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth"
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Yes you are right SriFX. I do not have problem with the name and I agree on your
points why it should not be a problem for others also. But I am also open to the
idea of a repoll since only a few of us had voted the last time. Now we have
more active members and more opinions to take into consideration but this
certainly cannot happen everytime new members opposes to a name already chosen.
It would only lead to confusion and dissatisfaction.
Another point I want to raise is that lets not have a name which will confuse a
person not fully acquainted with the canon. "The Pondicherry Lodge" or "The
Keepers of the Agra Treasure" give no indication to a person who has not read
the "Sign of Four" that it is a sherlock holmes society. This society is for
those people too who are intrigued by the master and not only those who have
read the canon word by word. There may be fans who have only seen the movies.
The phrases "Baker Street" or "Sherlock Holmes" should be there in the official
name to avoid such confusion.
Lastly I would also like to make a suggestion of the name.
"The Khidmatgars of Baker Street"
It just came out of my head so don't bombard me if its no good. Khidmatgar means
a servant and was also the name of the Indian servant of old Thaddeus Sholto.
Opinions are welcome
Manraviel
Srifx <no_reply@...> wrote:
Hey Anand, Et al,
First, congratulations to Anand on his house and partner. As far as
the name is concerned, I recall Watson a.k.a Manraviel also being
okay with BST besides Anand and myself but Watson can reconfirm that
and Sumal also wanted to move on.
However, rather than beating down what we don't want, it may be
helpful if the majority of voices vote for the one they DO want. Keep
in mind we cannot expect a 100% concensus and we must then agree to
disagree but still go ahead with the majority. To that end I thought
that BST was what the majority agreed to. I'm okay with a repoll. But
would it not be fair that this happens everytime new members join?
The newbees with some older members may form a majority at that time.
Then what? Will the repoll on the name happen again and again?
This time around the new members joined us under the yahoo group's
generic name and BST was not publicised widely. Would thay have not
joined this group if BST was widely known and used by this group? I
would think that they still would have joined.
Comments on negative slant to the name: Let's all be honest and
admit to the fact that our love for the adventures of the master
detective originates from our basic insticts related to adolescent
and youthful abandon. Since when did acting like a swashbuckling
pirate look negative to adults with a heart of a child? Would "Band
of Merry Men" sound negative to fans of Robin Hood "the thief"?
Would "Stormtroopers Club" sound negative to Star Wars fans beacuse
they were Darth Vader's men?
It's just a name with no reflection on the Holmes fan personality.
Nor does it condone the actions of the original Thugee tribe. It was
the closest we came to "A secret, diabolical Indian society that
existed during the Holmesian era."
Anand, you are in no way slipping out of voting one way or the other.
No hiding behind the "executive" guise.
SriFX
--- In sherlockholmessocietyofindia@..., Anand
Balachandran Pillai <anandpillai6@y...> wrote:
> Hello group
>
> I was in the midst of shifting my house and finding
> a life partner. Succceded in both. I will be getting
> engaged in Novemeber end.
>
> That with work at office left me with no time for
> sh society related things. I am getting some time now
> so I will make myself heard!
>
> It looks like the BST name is receving a lot of
> negative votes from other members. If the society goes
> out on a limbo, it will remain a limbo society. So I
> think that we should rethink on naming the society again.
> Especially since prominent Sherlockains like Balaji seems
> to have a problem with the name.
>
> I created the website initially and I dont have many
> problems in creating a new one in a different name. The
> website should not be a hindrance in renaming the society.
>
> It looks like myself and SriFX are the only ones supporting
> the BST name. I am ready to reconsider it, and I hope Sri
> also would be.
>
> The important thing is to arrive at a name soon before the
> end of the year. Let us keep November end as the deadline for this.
> This is because December is a holiday month for most people and
> there wont be much activity in this group.
>
> If there is agreement, I suggest that a core committee decide on
the
> name. It can include Sumal, Balaji, Watson (Manraviel), SriFX,
> Kumar Bhatia and others who post regularly. I would prefer to be
> outside this group and be part of the "executive" team ;-)
>
> You guys can consolidate a list of candidate names for the society
> . For example, these are the names I would list.
>
> Name Acronym
> Seriosuness
> Factor
>
> 1. The Keepers of the Agra Treasure KAT 10/10
> 2. The Guardians of the Agra Trasure GAT 10/10
> 3. The Indian Sherlockian Society ISS 10/10
> 4. The Baker Street Thugees BST 10/10
> 5. The Dalal Street Irregulars DST ( Humour !) 1/10
>
>
> I disagree with "PONDICHEERY LODGE" since it is too staid and
plain.
> I find nothing going for it. Perhaps you can change it to the
> "Pondicherry Lodge Residents".
>
>
> rgds
> -Anand
>
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> > From: Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji@y...>
> > 2. An Excellent Career Opportunity
> > From: kalai selvan <kalaiselvansri@y...>
> > 3. The name
> > From: sumalsn
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:04:23 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji@y...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 114
> >
> > > lets just call it PONDICHERRY LODGE
> >
> > Highly recommended.
> >
> > > (or for those who MUST have the masters name included )
> > > PONDICHERRY LODGE THE SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN-CLUB OF INDIA
> >
> > While I like having Holmes' name, I think that this is a bit too
> > long.
> >
> > > Do we want a name that is as intruieging as the character whom
> > > we
> > > adore??
> >
> > Yes, but Thugee has such a negative conotation!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
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> > Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs
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> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:17:24 -0800 (PST)
> > From: kalai selvan <kalaiselvansri@y...>
> > Subject: An Excellent Career Opportunity
> >
> >
> > Remarkable Save For It's Proper
> >
> >
> >
> > We are offering a rare Job Opportunity Where you can earn from
home
> > using computer and the Internet - part time or full time.
> > Qualifications are required are typing on the computer and
Internet
> > Knowledge only.
> >
> >
> >
> > Though actual earnings will vary as per the time you Spend, You
are
> > working part time for 2 or 3 hours daily can easily earn you Rs.
> > 20,000 - 25,000 per month.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no Selling or Marketing required at all. You are paid for
> > your Services.
> >
> >
> >
> > You have earned at any time of the day or night.
> >
> >
> >
> > We shall send you online instructions to start once we receive
your
> > mail.
> >
> >
> >
> > We provide all the training as required online.
> >
> >
> >
> > Most of our members who are victorious in this job agree with the
> > fact that experience has been teacher. Now the option is
yours…………..
> > So what are you waiting for……………
> >
> >
> >
> > Please send your enquiry to smartjobs376@i... only.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't attach your resume.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the few Indian Home based company, which pays...
> >
> > Why wait for international payments to come....?
> >
> > Here-with smart jobs.... work from India and get paid in India.
> >
> > Assured payments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > S.Vijay
> >
> > smartjobs376@i...
> >
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> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:03:24 -0000
> > From: sumalsn
> > Subject: The name
> >
> > Dear Holmesians,
> > It is heartening to see that the membership is increasing slowly
but
> > steadily though I see that a new member is using this site to
push
> > some products,this is not done and he is requested to refrain
from
> > such practices.Coming to the site proper ,a warm welcome to all
new
> > members ,i do hope you all contribute to the development of the
> > society.Mark is back and is in full flow so is bhatiaji.Regarding
the
> >
> > renaming of the society since we have gone ahead and done it ,to
turn
> >
> > back at this belated stage is unwise to say the least .So we will
> > leave it at that.anand ,I am unable to access the site in any
> > way .Can you give us any idea as to how to go about it?see you all
> > sumal
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
> >
> >
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Hi Anand,
> The important thing is to arrive at a name soon before the
> end of the year.
Very true. The faster the better! Let us finalize by Nov end,
and then, on Jan 6, the birthday of The Great Detective, we can
go ahead with it!
If you feel that Pondicherry Lodge is not right, I would suggest
that "The Guardians of the Agra Trasure (GAT)" is the next best
bet.
The name we choose should (a) be Holmesian/Canonical and (b)
Indian. GAT captures the essence of Holmes and India very well.
Any other suggestions GATians? :-)
=====
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Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs
http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm
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Hey Anand, Et al,
First, congratulations to Anand on his house and partner. As far as
the name is concerned, I recall Watson a.k.a Manraviel also being
okay with BST besides Anand and myself but Watson can reconfirm that
and Sumal also wanted to move on.
However, rather than beating down what we don't want, it may be
helpful if the majority of voices vote for the one they DO want. Keep
in mind we cannot expect a 100% concensus and we must then agree to
disagree but still go ahead with the majority. To that end I thought
that BST was what the majority agreed to. I'm okay with a repoll. But
would it not be fair that this happens everytime new members join?
The newbees with some older members may form a majority at that time.
Then what? Will the repoll on the name happen again and again?
This time around the new members joined us under the yahoo group's
generic name and BST was not publicised widely. Would thay have not
joined this group if BST was widely known and used by this group? I
would think that they still would have joined.
Comments on negative slant to the name: Let's all be honest and
admit to the fact that our love for the adventures of the master
detective originates from our basic insticts related to adolescent
and youthful abandon. Since when did acting like a swashbuckling
pirate look negative to adults with a heart of a child? Would "Band
of Merry Men" sound negative to fans of Robin Hood "the thief"?
Would "Stormtroopers Club" sound negative to Star Wars fans beacuse
they were Darth Vader's men?
It's just a name with no reflection on the Holmes fan personality.
Nor does it condone the actions of the original Thugee tribe. It was
the closest we came to "A secret, diabolical Indian society that
existed during the Holmesian era."
Anand, you are in no way slipping out of voting one way or the other.
No hiding behind the "executive" guise.
SriFX
--- In sherlockholmessocietyofindia@..., Anand
Balachandran Pillai <anandpillai6@y...> wrote:
> Hello group
>
> I was in the midst of shifting my house and finding
> a life partner. Succceded in both. I will be getting
> engaged in Novemeber end.
>
> That with work at office left me with no time for
> sh society related things. I am getting some time now
> so I will make myself heard!
>
> It looks like the BST name is receving a lot of
> negative votes from other members. If the society goes
> out on a limbo, it will remain a limbo society. So I
> think that we should rethink on naming the society again.
> Especially since prominent Sherlockains like Balaji seems
> to have a problem with the name.
>
> I created the website initially and I dont have many
> problems in creating a new one in a different name. The
> website should not be a hindrance in renaming the society.
>
> It looks like myself and SriFX are the only ones supporting
> the BST name. I am ready to reconsider it, and I hope Sri
> also would be.
>
> The important thing is to arrive at a name soon before the
> end of the year. Let us keep November end as the deadline for this.
> This is because December is a holiday month for most people and
> there wont be much activity in this group.
>
> If there is agreement, I suggest that a core committee decide on
the
> name. It can include Sumal, Balaji, Watson (Manraviel), SriFX,
> Kumar Bhatia and others who post regularly. I would prefer to be
> outside this group and be part of the "executive" team ;-)
>
> You guys can consolidate a list of candidate names for the society
> . For example, these are the names I would list.
>
> Name Acronym
> Seriosuness
> Factor
>
> 1. The Keepers of the Agra Treasure KAT 10/10
> 2. The Guardians of the Agra Trasure GAT 10/10
> 3. The Indian Sherlockian Society ISS 10/10
> 4. The Baker Street Thugees BST 10/10
> 5. The Dalal Street Irregulars DST ( Humour !) 1/10
>
>
> I disagree with "PONDICHEERY LODGE" since it is too staid and
plain.
> I find nothing going for it. Perhaps you can change it to the
> "Pondicherry Lodge Residents".
>
>
> rgds
> -Anand
>
> --- sherlockholmessocietyofindia@... wrote:
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > sherlockholmessocietyofindia-unsubscribe@...
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> >
> > There are 3 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Digest Number 114
> > From: Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji@y...>
> > 2. An Excellent Career Opportunity
> > From: kalai selvan <kalaiselvansri@y...>
> > 3. The name
> > From: sumalsn
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
__
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
__
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:04:23 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji@y...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 114
> >
> > > lets just call it PONDICHERRY LODGE
> >
> > Highly recommended.
> >
> > > (or for those who MUST have the masters name included )
> > > PONDICHERRY LODGE THE SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN-CLUB OF INDIA
> >
> > While I like having Holmes' name, I think that this is a bit too
> > long.
> >
> > > Do we want a name that is as intruieging as the character whom
> > > we
> > > adore??
> >
> > Yes, but Thugee has such a negative conotation!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Balaji Narasimhan
> > Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs
> > http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm
> > =====
> >
> > __________________________________
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> >
>
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> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:17:24 -0800 (PST)
> > From: kalai selvan <kalaiselvansri@y...>
> > Subject: An Excellent Career Opportunity
> >
> >
> > Remarkable Save For It's Proper
> >
> >
> >
> > We are offering a rare Job Opportunity Where you can earn from
home
> > using computer and the Internet - part time or full time.
> > Qualifications are required are typing on the computer and
Internet
> > Knowledge only.
> >
> >
> >
> > Though actual earnings will vary as per the time you Spend, You
are
> > working part time for 2 or 3 hours daily can easily earn you Rs.
> > 20,000 - 25,000 per month.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no Selling or Marketing required at all. You are paid for
> > your Services.
> >
> >
> >
> > You have earned at any time of the day or night.
> >
> >
> >
> > We shall send you online instructions to start once we receive
your
> > mail.
> >
> >
> >
> > We provide all the training as required online.
> >
> >
> >
> > Most of our members who are victorious in this job agree with the
> > fact that experience has been teacher. Now the option is
yours…………..
> > So what are you waiting for……………
> >
> >
> >
> > Please send your enquiry to smartjobs376@i... only.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't attach your resume.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the few Indian Home based company, which pays...
> >
> > Why wait for international payments to come....?
> >
> > Here-with smart jobs.... work from India and get paid in India.
> >
> > Assured payments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > S.Vijay
> >
> > smartjobs376@i...
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:03:24 -0000
> > From: sumalsn
> > Subject: The name
> >
> > Dear Holmesians,
> > It is heartening to see that the membership is increasing slowly
but
> > steadily though I see that a new member is using this site to
push
> > some products,this is not done and he is requested to refrain
from
> > such practices.Coming to the site proper ,a warm welcome to all
new
> > members ,i do hope you all contribute to the development of the
> > society.Mark is back and is in full flow so is bhatiaji.Regarding
the
> >
> > renaming of the society since we have gone ahead and done it ,to
turn
> >
> > back at this belated stage is unwise to say the least .So we will
> > leave it at that.anand ,I am unable to access the site in any
> > way .Can you give us any idea as to how to go about it?see you all
> > sumal
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
__
> >
>
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__
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Hello group
I was in the midst of shifting my house and finding
a life partner. Succceded in both. I will be getting
engaged in Novemeber end.
That with work at office left me with no time for
sh society related things. I am getting some time now
so I will make myself heard!
It looks like the BST name is receving a lot of
negative votes from other members. If the society goes
out on a limbo, it will remain a limbo society. So I
think that we should rethink on naming the society again.
Especially since prominent Sherlockains like Balaji seems
to have a problem with the name.
I created the website initially and I dont have many
problems in creating a new one in a different name. The
website should not be a hindrance in renaming the society.
It looks like myself and SriFX are the only ones supporting
the BST name. I am ready to reconsider it, and I hope Sri
also would be.
The important thing is to arrive at a name soon before the
end of the year. Let us keep November end as the deadline for this.
This is because December is a holiday month for most people and
there wont be much activity in this group.
If there is agreement, I suggest that a core committee decide on the
name. It can include Sumal, Balaji, Watson (Manraviel), SriFX,
Kumar Bhatia and others who post regularly. I would prefer to be
outside this group and be part of the "executive" team ;-)
You guys can consolidate a list of candidate names for the society
. For example, these are the names I would list.
Name Acronym
Seriosuness
Factor
1. The Keepers of the Agra Treasure KAT 10/10
2. The Guardians of the Agra Trasure GAT 10/10
3. The Indian Sherlockian Society ISS 10/10
4. The Baker Street Thugees BST 10/10
5. The Dalal Street Irregulars DST ( Humour !) 1/10
I disagree with "PONDICHEERY LODGE" since it is too staid and plain.
I find nothing going for it. Perhaps you can change it to the
"Pondicherry Lodge Residents".
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> > lets just call it PONDICHERRY LODGE
>
> Highly recommended.
>
> > (or for those who MUST have the masters name included )
> > PONDICHERRY LODGE THE SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN-CLUB OF INDIA
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> While I like having Holmes' name, I think that this is a bit too
> long.
>
> > Do we want a name that is as intruieging as the character whom
> > we
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> Yes, but Thugee has such a negative conotation!
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> Subject: The name
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> Dear Holmesians,
> It is heartening to see that the membership is increasing slowly but
> steadily though I see that a new member is using this site to push
> some products,this is not done and he is requested to refrain from
> such practices.Coming to the site proper ,a warm welcome to all new
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> society.Mark is back and is in full flow so is bhatiaji.Regarding the
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> back at this belated stage is unwise to say the least .So we will
> leave it at that.anand ,I am unable to access the site in any
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Dear Holmesians,
It is heartening to see that the membership is increasing slowly but
steadily though I see that a new member is using this site to push
some products,this is not done and he is requested to refrain from
such practices.Coming to the site proper ,a warm welcome to all new
members ,i do hope you all contribute to the development of the
society.Mark is back and is in full flow so is bhatiaji.Regarding the
renaming of the society since we have gone ahead and done it ,to turn
back at this belated stage is unwise to say the least .So we will
leave it at that.anand ,I am unable to access the site in any
way .Can you give us any idea as to how to go about it?see you all
sumal
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We are offering a rare Job Opportunity Where you can earn from home using
computer and the Internet - part time or full time. Qualifications are required
are typing on the computer and Internet Knowledge only.
Though actual earnings will vary as per the time you Spend, You are working part
time for 2 or 3 hours daily can easily earn you Rs. 20,000 - 25,000 per month.
There is no Selling or Marketing required at all. You are paid for your
Services.
You have earned at any time of the day or night.
We shall send you online instructions to start once we receive your mail.
We provide all the training as required online.
Most of our members who are victorious in this job agree with the fact that
experience has been teacher. Now the option is yours………….. So what are you
waiting for……………
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> lets just call it PONDICHERRY LODGE
Highly recommended.
> (or for those who MUST have the masters name included )
> PONDICHERRY LODGE THE SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN-CLUB OF INDIA
While I like having Holmes' name, I think that this is a bit too
long.
> Do we want a name that is as intruieging as the character whom
> we
> adore??
Yes, but Thugee has such a negative conotation!
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Hi fellow Sherlockians,
Sorry for the long hiatus. Mostly offical travel and may be doing so
again the near future, but hopefully for a shorter duration. I
started working on the web page/s for
http://bakerstreetthugees.freezope.org and will continue to do so
between paying bills and stuff.
However, I don't think the naming of our society is back for
discussion. We had a round of suggestions from members, arguments
were shared in favor of and against. For the benfit of new members,
the reasoning for the name baker Street Thugees is at this link
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/sherlockholmessocietyofindia/message/
233
Further links to the Holmesian era - Thugee connection was discussed
at this link
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/sherlockholmessocietyofindia/message/
242
Anand Pillai went thorugh a lot of pain putting together polls and
finally the website.
In fact patiches have been written by the Wold Newton researchers who
suggested Moriarty had a thugee connection where a thug from India
(possibly the same group who were connected with the Holmes tale
of "Uncle Jeremy's Household,") killed his children.
Do we want a name that is as intruieging as the character whom we
adore??
Comments all,
SriFX
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Bhatia" <ceco@e...> wrote:
> dear balaji karthik & sushant,
> a hearty welcome ( albeit belated )
> this " thugee" business seems to have cropped-up again . i thought
we had
> put an end to it a few weeks ago.its just not appropriate . in fact
its
> rather ugly .
> but since the naming of our society , is back for discussion , may
i remind
> fellow members of my original suggestion
> ( which , incidentally mark & sumal had actually written in to
endorse )
> lets just call it PONDICHERRY LODGE
> (or for those who MUST have the masters name included )
PONDICHERRY LODGE
> - THE SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN-CLUB OF INDIA
> our society does not HAVE to be named "
> baker-street-something-or--the-other " . come on friends lets be
different
> AND original
> PONDICHERRY LODGE is VERY canonical and oh SO INDIAN .
> lets hear what our new members balaji karthik & sushant have to
say.
> keep writing
> kumar bhatia
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> At 09:34 PM 11/9/2003 -0800, you wrote:
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> > > I have recently joined this group.
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> > > I know this is a little off topic but
> > > since we wish to call ourselves the "Baker Street Thugees"
> >
> >Huh? We are not thugs! Irregulars, maybe. but not thugs. We
> >can't call ourselves "Baker Street Irregulars" because that
> >institution already exists. Let's just say that we are devoted
> >to Holmes, and leave it at that!
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dear balaji karthik & sushant,
a hearty welcome ( albeit belated )
this " thugee" business seems to have cropped-up again . i thought we had
put an end to it a few weeks ago.its just not appropriate . in fact its
rather ugly .
but since the naming of our society , is back for discussion , may i remind
fellow members of my original suggestion
( which , incidentally mark & sumal had actually written in to endorse )
lets just call it PONDICHERRY LODGE
(or for those who MUST have the masters name included ) PONDICHERRY LODGE
- THE SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN-CLUB OF INDIA
our society does not HAVE to be named "
baker-street-something-or--the-other " . come on friends lets be different
AND original
PONDICHERRY LODGE is VERY canonical and oh SO INDIAN .
lets hear what our new members balaji karthik & sushant have to say.
keep writing
kumar bhatia
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>Hi Sushant,
>
> > I have recently joined this group.
>
>Welcome! Click the link in my signature to get details of my
>book.
>
> > I know this is a little off topic but
> > since we wish to call ourselves the "Baker Street Thugees"
>
>Huh? We are not thugs! Irregulars, maybe. but not thugs. We
>can't call ourselves "Baker Street Irregulars" because that
>institution already exists. Let's just say that we are devoted
>to Holmes, and leave it at that!
>
>
>=====
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>Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs
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Hi Sushant,
> I have recently joined this group.
Welcome! Click the link in my signature to get details of my
book.
> I know this is a little off topic but
> since we wish to call ourselves the "Baker Street Thugees"
Huh? We are not thugs! Irregulars, maybe. but not thugs. We
can't call ourselves "Baker Street Irregulars" because that
institution already exists. Let's just say that we are devoted
to Holmes, and leave it at that!
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I've recently picked up the book "Confessions of a Thug" by Philip Meadows
Taylor. Its a true story of the horrible practice of thugee. I haven't read it
yet (its at the end of the long list of books lined up for my reading right
now). I'll let you guys know more about it once I've got a better insight into
it myself. I know this is a little off topic but since we wish to call ourselves
the "Baker Street Thugees" I thought we should know exactly what we are
representing.
Manraviel
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I have recently joined this group. I am a resident of
New Delhi. am sure we could do a lot of work together
for the good of this society (and of course so many
people ignorant of holmes).
great going Balaji. Where can I pick up a copy of your
book?
regards,
sushant
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Dear Holmesians,
Welcome aboard ,sushidar and tendulkarfan.It is our privelege to have
you on our society.We are all honoured to have Balaji who is actually
a patishche writer, I hope that his next novel is previewed on our
site and it would be a signal honour to our site as such.I will also
be checking out on his novel.Mark is as usual righty when she says
that we are a group who are ardent fans trying to promote The Master
in India.where are you?anand and ashoke.The site is crying out for
you.
sumal
hi all.
I'm also a sherlockian like u all, though not that active.
I was initiated into this group by Mr Sumal.
Wishing u all a very happy Diwali.
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Hello Karthik, Balaji
Welcome to the group. We are here a group of totally devoted sherlockians, but
our other assignments and jobs keep us from actively contributing to this group.
And since we aren't many here and not all have something new to say the activity
level keeps low. But we are trying...we are trying.( Aren't we sumal, anand,
mihir, srifx?? Ashoke, kumar where art thou??).
Anyway again welcome and we look forward to hearing more of you.
Manraviel
PS: And Balaji I would definately try to check out your book.
Karthik Mahalingam <karthik.mahalingam@...> wrote:Hello,
I have recently joined this group. I am a resident of Bangalore. Haven't
seen too much activity on this group till now though.
Way to go Balaji...we need more enterprising authors like you. Where can I
pick up a copy of your book?
Any pointers on where one can find sherlock collectibles in Bangalore will
be appreciated.
Regards,
Karthik.
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> Balaji,a very warm welcome to you.I hope you contribute
> heavily.
Thanks! I will try my best to contribute!
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