Hi Sherlockians, Holmesians, Canonians and other higher mortals in
search of meaning behind the Master.

Glad to be back after a looooong break. My system at home was down
for the most part and I could not reply from work anyway. Colorful
conversations around the Bangalore Society. Happy that it is in a
place that I come from. Good luck with your kick-off meeting. Down a
drink for me too and post the pictures on the net.

The Canon has over 100 references to guns, pistols or revolvers. I
wonder if you can list as many as possible. Let me begin  by citing
the first ever reference of a fire arm when Watson describes his room
mate in 'The Musgrave Ritual'. This story relates to Holmes and his
use of a target pistol and his habit of firing it indoors.

Says Watson, "I have always held, too, that pistol practice should
distinctly be an open-air pastime; and when Holmes in one of his
queer humours would sit in an arm-chair, with his hair-trigger and a
hundred Boxer cartridges, and proceed to adorn the opposite wall with
a patriotic V.R. done in bullet-pocks, I felt strongly that neither
the atmosphere nor the appearance of our room was improved by it."

The make of the pistol was researched by Holmes scholars in-depth by
the clue from the Boxer cartridges but have not zeroed in on any one
model. Can you list the other references to firearms in the canon?

SriFX

Hi Sherlockians, Holmesians, Canonians and other higher mortals in
search of meaning behind the Master.

Glad to be back after a looooong break. My system at home was down
for the most part and I could not reply from work anyway. Colorful
conversations around the Bangalore Society. Happy that it is in a
place that I come from. Good luck with your kick-off meeting. Down a
drink for me too and post the pictures on the net.

The Canon has over 100 references to guns, pistols or revolvers. I
wonder if you can list as many as possible. Let me begin  by citing
the first ever reference of a fire arm when Watson describes his room
mate in 'The Musgrave Ritual'. This story relates to Holmes and his
use of a target pistol and his habit of firing it indoors.

Says Watson, "I have always held, too, that pistol practice should
distinctly be an open-air pastime; and when Holmes in one of his
queer humours would sit in an arm-chair, with his hair-trigger and a
hundred Boxer cartridges, and proceed to adorn the opposite wall with
a patriotic V.R. done in bullet-pocks, I felt strongly that neither
the atmosphere nor the appearance of our room was improved by it."

The make of the pistol was researched by Holmes scholars in-depth by
the clue from the Boxer cartridges but have not zeroed in on any one
model. Can you list the other references to firearms in the canon?

SriFX

I am copying here the relevant portions of the charter of the
BSI, the Baker Street Irregulars of Newyork.

"""
Written by Elmer Davis, the BSI Constitution reads as follows:
Article I
The name of the society shall be the Baker Street Irregulars.
Article II
Its purpose shall be the study of the Sacred Writings.
Article III
All persons shall be eligible for membership who pass an examination in
the Sacred Writings set by officer of the society, and who are
considered otherwise suitable.
Article IV
The officers shall be: a Gasogene, a Tantalus, and a Commissionaire.
The duties of the Gasogene shall be those commonly performed by a
President.
The duties of the Tantalus shall be those commonly performed by a
Secretary.
The duties of the Commissionaire shall be to telephone down for ice,
White Rock, and whatever else may be required and available; to conduct
all negotiations with waiters; and to assess the members pro rata for
the cost of same.

The BSI Buy-laws are just as curious as their constitution:
1.  An annual meeting shall be held on January 6th, at which the
canonical toasts shall be drunk; after which the members shall drink at
will.
2.  The current round shall be bought by any member who fails to
identify, by title of story and context, and quotation from the Sacred
Writings submitted by any other member.
Qualification A.  If two or more members fail so to identify, a round
shall be bought by each of those so failing.
Qualification B.  If the submitter of the quotation, upon challenge,
fails to identify it correctly, he shall buy the round.
3.  Special meetings may be called at any time or any place by any one
of three members, two of whom shall constitute a quorum.
Qualification A.  If said two people are of opposite sexes, they shall
use care in selecting the place of meeting, to avoid misinterpretation
(or interpretation either, for that matter).
4.  All other business shall be left for the monthly meetings.
5.  There shall be no monthly meetings.

Canonical Toasts
The obligatory canonical toasts are typically as follows:  to the
Woman, Irene Adler; the Master, the Doctor and, of course, long
suffering Mrs. Hudson.  These are always followed by toasts of varying
propriety to the more colorful characters of the Canon and often the
less fortunate fellow Irregulars.
"""

We could come up with a charter similar to one above. The BSI
being closely tied with the London characters chose to toast Irene
Adler, Holmes himself, Dr.Watson and Miss Hudson.

I am sending a basic draft of our society in the next mail.

rgds

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> > I can provide any sort of help in developing SH /ACD Society
> > in my hometown Patna.We often meet and exchange pastiches.
>
> Excellent! Any other locations anybody? Maybe, we can start in
> BLR and then use the same model to embrace and extend other
> cities.
>
> > In fact, I am in the midst of a job change. I will be
> > getting a lot of free time hence so I shall be doing some
> > research on how we can do this.
>
> Great, Anand! Maybe we could work on the following:
>
> * How often do we meet in a year? (Ideally, once a month)
> * Where? (How about The Sherlock Holmes Pub?)
> * What will set us apart from other groups?
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> I can provide any sort of help in developing SH /ACD Society
> in my hometown Patna.We often meet and exchange pastiches.

Excellent! Any other locations anybody? Maybe, we can start in
BLR and then use the same model to embrace and extend other
cities.

> In fact, I am in the midst of a job change. I will be
> getting a lot of free time hence so I shall be doing some
> research on how we can do this.

Great, Anand! Maybe we could work on the following:

* How often do we meet in a year? (Ideally, once a month)
* Where? (How about The Sherlock Holmes Pub?)
* What will set us apart from other groups?

Colonel Moran too has links with BLR (Ref EMPT). Maybe, we could
work this evil genius in someplace!



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Fellow Holmesians

      I am very much appreciative of the feedback that I have
recieved to my suggestions. I would like to start the spadework
for this as soon as possible.

      In fact, I am in the midst of a job change. I will be getting
a lot of free time hence so I shall be doing some research on how
we can do this. Let me try to bring up a charter for the society
based on the charters of existing ones.

      Meanwhile, I request other active members to keep this
topic alive by sending in their ideas as well.

Thanks

-Anand

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> hi,
> I think that Anand has covered the issue quite well. I agree that it
> is imperative that we move on from being just a internet society.
> Bangalore is the ideal place because most of the members are based
> there. Anand , since you have mooted the idea ,it is only fair that
> you actually do the spadework too.
>   We are all eagerly looking forward to hear from you as regards to
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> the society can take a backseat while we get to the brass tacks of
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Dear Friends,
I can provide any sort of help in developing SH /ACD Society in my hometown
Patna.We often meet and exchange pastiches.
We already have a society like this here. I am trying to form a similar society
in Noida where I work with a BPO Company EXL . I am leaving for Noida in next
couple of hours.
Thanking You,
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Patna - 800 004 (Bihar)
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hi,
I think that Anand has covered the issue quite well. I agree that it
is imperative that we move on from being just a internet society.
Bangalore is the ideal place because most of the members are based
there. Anand , since you have mooted the idea ,it is only fair that
you actually do the spadework too.
   We are all eagerly looking forward to hear from you as regards to
your other ideas. As you have rightly pointed out the christening of
the society can take a backseat while we get to the brass tacks of
getting started
sumal

Anand,

Your mail "Promoting society" hits the nail hard on the head.
Maybe, we should have various "chapters" in various cities,
which meet at least once a month. The mailing list keeps us in
touch the rest of the time, but the physical meeting is, I feel,
a very important issue.

> I propose to form this in Bangalore, the home town of the
> Indian ACD, Balaji.

My blushes! IAC, let us have the main chapter in the city with
the maximum number of members.

> I have other ideas also, but since this mail has become quite
> large, I forbid myself to lengthen it anymore.

Please! You are ensuring a feast of soul and flow of reason.
Keep it going!

I think that we can discuss core issues like meeting places,
rituals unique to our society, etc. Does anybody have any idea
how to begin? I have never belonged to any Holmes group, so I
honestly don't know. How does it work in an actual old-fashoined
Holmesian society?



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Hi Balaji

   I would like a copy of your SH stories.
Where I can I get one ?

Thanks

-Anand

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> > From a high of 44 , we are down to 39. Can members promote the
> > site actively? Suggestions are welcome
>
> Maybe, we could try and get a few discussion threads started.
> Suggestions, anyone? Or, we could start discussing canonical
> stories, starting with SCAN.
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I think its a very good idea. It's been long since I've actually read the canon.
But I wont mind brushing it up again. And yes, I especially like SCAN, because
of its unique aspect of Irene Adler.

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If you had asked the same question some time back I would
have given my trademark reply 'Create a website'.

Now I no longer believe this is so. On the other hand, it is better
to think about actual, physical ways of popularising the society.

One way is to have an identity of the society different from the
other SH societies. This is the theme everyone adopts when he or
she thinks 'different' in this world.

But what identity? Can the identity be wrapped up in just the society
name? The answer is no. The identity of a society is the identity,
the combined identity of its members. Name is a close second, but
personality of individual members superimposed adds to the cumulative
personality of the society.

So what can we do to advertise this personality? First of all, conduct
activities. An Internet society whose existence is based on just
emails is bound to be less known and less discussed than a society
which conducts actual meetings and involves in activities which
are concerned with the Master and his creator. In the long run this
society might even disappear because of its inability to self-sustain
by just emails.

I had proposed the web-site idea having this theme in my mind. But
a web-site is just an extension of a mailing list, with more services
perhaps and a fixed domain name, but again it does not 'materialize'
the society. If you got to actually make the society immortal, or
at least let it propagate for another 5-10 years more, we need to
think of more intelligent steps.

Some of the members in this society are quite colorful. I mean in
personality. Manraviel is the best example (dont blush Mark!).
Sumal, Balaji and SriFX(where art thou?) also add depth
to discussions. Then there is Ashoke Das Gupte and Mihir Lochan. I am
talking of the most regular posters here. (I guess I can include myself
also to this list.)

The best and positive way to approach this problem is to create
an actual physical society with fixed charters, rules(just for the
sake of having them) and rituals to be followed in meetings. Arrange
for meetings at fixed intervals. Have a small fund which is maintained
by a treasurer and used only for promoting the society and for
funding its parties.

I propose to form this in Bangalore, the home town of the Indian
ACD, Balaji. Comments from other members are invited.

If we dont do it as early as we can, the society might find it
difficult to attract members and survive in its present form for
too long.

I have other ideas also, but since this mail has become quite
large, I forbid myself to lengthen it anymore.

Yours...

-Anand




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> It is quite alarming to see a steady erosion in the membership. From
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Maybe, we could try and get a few discussion threads started.
Suggestions, anyone? Or, we could start discussing canonical
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Hi,
It is quite alarming to see a steady erosion in the membership. From
a high of 44 , we are down to 39. Can members promote the site
actively? Suggestions are welcome
sumal

I totally and completely second that.

Manraviel

Anand Balachandran Pillai <anandpillai6@...> wrote:
And worst of all were the scenes in which Sherlock
dances with the ladies trying to seduce one of them.

ACD would have cried bloody murder seeing his self-proclaimed
bohemian detective with no penchant for the company of the
fair-skinned cajoling and cavorting with the attractive ladies
on the dance floor!

I switched to a different channel once I saw that
scene. Anyway the protagonist in no way produced a convincing
classic Holmes presence.

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Hi Folks

I just downloaded a game called "Holmes Cases" produced
by Cybiko as a java program which will run on mobiles
having Java.

The program is more like an e-book rather than a game,
which has many Holmes cases that can be read on your mobile,
starting with "A scandal in Bohemia". You can either
choose normal scrolling read style or a "quick" mode
where words just flash on the screen one after the other.

Quite nice program. I did not check how many stories
come in the program, but now I can carry my Canon or
at least part of it around with me!

If you have a mobile with java, point the
browser of the mobile to
http://www.alvilag.hu/colorjava/java/t720/holmes_1.jad .

The listing of games can be found in
http://www.alvilag.hu/colorjava/javat720.wml .

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And worst of all were the scenes in which Sherlock
dances with the ladies trying to seduce one of them.

ACD would have cried bloody murder seeing his self-proclaimed
bohemian detective with no penchant for the company of the
fair-skinned cajoling and cavorting with the attractive ladies
on the dance floor!

I switched to a different channel once I saw that
scene. Anyway the protagonist in no way produced a convincing
classic Holmes presence.

-Anand


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>            From: sumalsn
>       2. Re: Digest Number 168
>            From: sumalsn
>       3. Re: Movie
>            From: sumalsn
>       4. Film " Sherlock " on HBO
>            From: Mihir Lochan Saran <pbphpatna@...>
>       5. Re: Sir Conan Doyle again
>            From: Doctor Watson <watsonjh2002@...>
>       6. Re: Film " Sherlock " on HBO
>            From: Doctor Watson <watsonjh2002@...>
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>    Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:45:41 -0000
>    From: sumalsn
> Subject: Sir Conan Doyle again
>
> Hi ,
> Continuing my researches to obtain an insight in to the personality
> of Sir Conan Doyle, I stumbled upon another strange aspect of his
> personality which I think most of us are familiar with. I am
> referring to the strange affair of the Cottingley fairies. It so
> happened that two girls related to each other, Frances Griffith and
> Elsie Wright living in Cottingley, Yorkshire produced stunning
> photographs of fairies playing with them.
>
>   The photos showed the fairies dancing with the children and
> they were shown to their parents to authenticate their claim. These
> photos were certified to be authentic by the local experts and these
> photos were doing the rounds of upper class British Society. It
> caught the attention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who seized the
> opportunity to proclaim the reality of the existence of fairies. He
> being a passionate believer in spiritualism and so argued his thought
>
> regarding the photos in the Strand magazine in 1920. He again
> published an article on receipt of two more photo graphs from the
> girls.
>
> He was pilloried in the media for advocating such absurd ideas but he
>
> continued to believe in the photographs till his death.
>
>  I think he was a man of great conviction to have said such a thing
> in face of such outcry and to stick to his guns despite personal
> attack needs some courage. Such conviction in spite of counter
> arguments can be seen in his creation, Sherlock Holmes many times.
> The most striking instance can be seen in the Adventure of the
> Norwood Builder. As a matter of conjecture, I think Sherlock Holmes
> is partly based on Sir Doyle himself apart from Dr Joseph Bell, of
> course. Please flood in your comments.  I hope to see an interesting
> discussion on this
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:55:11 -0000
>    From: sumalsn
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 168
>
> Dear ravi,
>  Rise and shine,ha ha. I think , we would like that you contribute
> more by actually writing on the site rather than soaking gyan.
> Looking forward to seeing you more on the site. thanks for being a
> valuable member of this site.
> sumal
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:06:29 -0000
>    From: sumalsn
> Subject: Re: Movie
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>   HI,
>  Thanks , mark that was very informative. Please inform us when there
>
> is any Holmes related  prog on TV
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
>    Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:05:08 +0530
>    From: Mihir Lochan Saran <pbphpatna@...>
> Subject: Film " Sherlock " on HBO
>
> Dear Friends,
> The TV Channel HBO telecasted a film named "SHERLOCK" the celluloid
> version of a pastiche adventure at 6:00 PM today. The Indian audience
> must have enjoyed this post Empty House adventure in which the
> master's arch enemy Professor Moriarty returns like Holmes to take
> revenge. This is however different than the John Gardner's RETURN OF
> MORIARTY and REVENGE OF MORIARTY.In this film Holmes also falls for a
> stage actress with surname DOYLE(!).
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>    Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:23:00 +0000 (GMT)
>    From: Doctor Watson <watsonjh2002@...>
> Subject: Re: Sir Conan Doyle again
>
> Every book reflects the personality of the author no matter whoever
> or whatever it is based upon. The author's convictions/ideas
> undeniably are mirrored into the characters. So even if ACD based
> holmes methods on Dr. Bell, his own convictions were a main force in
> forming Holmes's character.
>
> Doyle (as far as my limited knowledge goes) turned to spirituality
> quite later in life. Till then he had already created Holmes
> character, and since Dr Bell did not believe in a superior divine
> being (?) he kept holmes' athiest personality unchanged.
>
> And yes, I do believe that doyle was as strong a personality as
> Holmes.
>
> Manraviel
>
>
>
> sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:Hi ,
> Continuing my researches to obtain an insight in to the personality
> of Sir Conan Doyle, I stumbled upon another strange aspect of his
> personality which I think most of us are familiar with. I am
> referring to the strange affair of the Cottingley fairies. It so
> happened that two girls related to each other, Frances Griffith and
> Elsie Wright living in Cottingley, Yorkshire produced stunning
> photographs of fairies playing with them.
>
>       The photos showed the fairies dancing with the children and
> they were shown to their parents to authenticate their claim. These
> photos were certified to be authentic by the local experts and these
> photos were doing the rounds of upper class British Society. It
> caught the attention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who seized the
> opportunity to proclaim the reality of the existence of fairies. He
> being a passionate believer in spiritualism and so argued his thought
>
> regarding the photos in the Strand magazine in 1920. He again
> published an article on receipt of two more photo graphs from the
> girls.
>
> He was pilloried in the media for advocating such absurd ideas but he
>
> continued to believe in the photographs till his death.
>
> I think he was a man of great conviction to have said such a thing
> in face of such outcry and to stick to his guns despite personal
> attack needs some courage. Such conviction in spite of counter
> arguments can be seen in his creation, Sherlock Holmes many times.
> The most striking instance can be seen in the Adventure of the
> Norwood Builder. As a matter of conjecture, I think Sherlock Holmes
> is partly based on Sir Doyle himself apart from Dr Joseph Bell, of
> course. Please flood in your comments.  I hope to see an interesting
> discussion on this
>
>
>
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> Well I saw the movie and I can't say that I liked what I saw.
>
> I seemed like a B-grade detective movie with ample supply of nudity
> to perk the audience's interest. The casting wasn't right. No matter
> how good looking James D'Arcy might have been, he was in no way a
> convincing Holmes. The difference between the ages of Holmes and
> watson was too striking. At least they did not portray Watson as a
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> not how I see him. Vincent D'Onofrio was too stupid to be Moriarty.
>
> Holmes was too weak. And Watson was a support and bulwark to the
> swaying Holmes!? That's an angle to their relationship that I've
> never seen or read, except perhaps in "The final problem" and even
> then Holmes was completely in control.
>
> But what threw me completely off the movie was Holmes' womanising and
> drinking. I simply raise my palms for that.
>
> It might have made a good movie were it not a Sherlock Holmes
> pastiche.
>
> Manraviel
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>
> Dear Friends,
> The TV Channel HBO telecasted a film named "SHERLOCK" the celluloid
> version of a pastiche adventure at 6:00 PM today. The Indian audience
> must have enjoyed this post Empty House adventure in which the
> master's arch enemy Professor Moriarty returns like Holmes to take
> revenge. This is however different than the John Gardner's RETURN OF
> MORIARTY and REVENGE OF MORIARTY.In this film Holmes also falls for a
> stage actress with surname DOYLE(!).
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Greetings, all.

Have been absent due to extreme busy-ness.

I work as a telemarketer in a Winnipeg call centre while writing
freelance, etc. [Last month, I won three prizes for high sales.]

I understand numerous call centres are in Delhi and Kolkata, and am
planning a trip there this November [and to Kolkata and Kathmandu as
well] to bring back some articles and photographs, including one
about the Indian call centre scene for the Winnipeg Free Press.

Consequently, I was wondering if I may meet some of you at
that time and, till then, if you could send me any background
information--especially anything with a Canadian angle. Hasn't
Convergys, a Canadian company, a call centre in Delhi?

Apart from the call centre world, do you know of any Canadians doing
anything in Delhi, Kolkata or Kathmandu?

Cordially,

Ashoke Dasgupta
Canada

Well I saw the movie and I can't say that I liked what I saw.

I seemed like a B-grade detective movie with ample supply of nudity to perk the
audience's interest. The casting wasn't right. No matter how good looking James
D'Arcy might have been, he was in no way a convincing Holmes. The difference
between the ages of Holmes and watson was too striking. At least they did not
portray Watson as a ninnyhammer as movies usually do. But in my opinion they
made him much smart that he actually is. And Watson as a Coroner? That's just
not how I see him. Vincent D'Onofrio was too stupid to be Moriarty.

Holmes was too weak. And Watson was a support and bulwark to the swaying
Holmes!? That's an angle to their relationship that I've never seen or read,
except perhaps in "The final problem" and even then Holmes was completely in
control.

But what threw me completely off the movie was Holmes' womanising and drinking.
I simply raise my palms for that.

It might have made a good movie were it not a Sherlock Holmes pastiche.

Manraviel


Dear Friends,
The TV Channel HBO telecasted a film named "SHERLOCK" the celluloid  version of
a pastiche adventure at 6:00 PM today. The Indian audience must have enjoyed
this post Empty House adventure in which the master's arch enemy Professor
Moriarty returns like Holmes to take revenge. This is however different than the
John Gardner's RETURN OF MORIARTY and REVENGE OF MORIARTY.In this film Holmes
also falls for a stage actress with surname DOYLE(!).

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Technical Support Executive
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Every book reflects the personality of the author no matter whoever or whatever
it is based upon. The author's convictions/ideas undeniably are mirrored into
the characters. So even if ACD based holmes methods on Dr. Bell, his own
convictions were a main force in forming Holmes's character.

Doyle (as far as my limited knowledge goes) turned to spirituality quite later
in life. Till then he had already created Holmes character, and since Dr Bell
did not believe in a superior divine being (?) he kept holmes' athiest
personality unchanged.

And yes, I do believe that doyle was as strong a personality as Holmes.

Manraviel



sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:Hi ,
Continuing my researches to obtain an insight in to the personality
of Sir Conan Doyle, I stumbled upon another strange aspect of his
personality which I think most of us are familiar with. I am
referring to the strange affair of the Cottingley fairies. It so
happened that two girls related to each other, Frances Griffith and
Elsie Wright living in Cottingley, Yorkshire produced stunning
photographs of fairies playing with them.

       The photos showed the fairies dancing with the children and
they were shown to their parents to authenticate their claim. These
photos were certified to be authentic by the local experts and these
photos were doing the rounds of upper class British Society. It
caught the attention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who seized the
opportunity to proclaim the reality of the existence of fairies. He
being a passionate believer in spiritualism and so argued his thought
regarding the photos in the Strand magazine in 1920. He again
published an article on receipt of two more photo graphs from the
girls.

He was pilloried in the media for advocating such absurd ideas but he
continued to believe in the photographs till his death.

I think he was a man of great conviction to have said such a thing
in face of such outcry and to stick to his guns despite personal
attack needs some courage. Such conviction in spite of counter
arguments can be seen in his creation, Sherlock Holmes many times.
The most striking instance can be seen in the Adventure of the
Norwood Builder. As a matter of conjecture, I think Sherlock Holmes
is partly based on Sir Doyle himself apart from Dr Joseph Bell, of
course. Please flood in your comments.  I hope to see an interesting
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Dear Friends,
The TV Channel HBO telecasted a film named "SHERLOCK" the celluloid  version of
a pastiche adventure at 6:00 PM today. The Indian audience must have enjoyed
this post Empty House adventure in which the master's arch enemy Professor
Moriarty returns like Holmes to take revenge. This is however different than the
John Gardner's RETURN OF MORIARTY and REVENGE OF MORIARTY.In this film Holmes
also falls for a stage actress with surname DOYLE(!).

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HI,
  Thanks , mark that was very informative. Please inform us when there
is any Holmes related  prog on TV

Dear ravi,
  Rise and shine,ha ha. I think , we would like that you contribute
more by actually writing on the site rather than soaking gyan.
Looking forward to seeing you more on the site. thanks for being a
valuable member of this site.
sumal

Hi ,
Continuing my researches to obtain an insight in to the personality
of Sir Conan Doyle, I stumbled upon another strange aspect of his
personality which I think most of us are familiar with. I am
referring to the strange affair of the Cottingley fairies. It so
happened that two girls related to each other, Frances Griffith and
Elsie Wright living in Cottingley, Yorkshire produced stunning
photographs of fairies playing with them.

 	 The photos showed the fairies dancing with the children and
they were shown to their parents to authenticate their claim. These
photos were certified to be authentic by the local experts and these
photos were doing the rounds of upper class British Society. It
caught the attention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who seized the
opportunity to proclaim the reality of the existence of fairies. He
being a passionate believer in spiritualism and so argued his thought
regarding the photos in the Strand magazine in 1920. He again
published an article on receipt of two more photo graphs from the
girls.

He was pilloried in the media for advocating such absurd ideas but he
continued to believe in the photographs till his death.

  I think he was a man of great conviction to have said such a thing
in face of such outcry and to stick to his guns despite personal
attack needs some courage. Such conviction in spite of counter
arguments can be seen in his creation, Sherlock Holmes many times.
The most striking instance can be seen in the Adventure of the
Norwood Builder. As a matter of conjecture, I think Sherlock Holmes
is partly based on Sir Doyle himself apart from Dr Joseph Bell, of
course. Please flood in your comments.  I hope to see an interesting
discussion on this

This site is all aboout sherlock

http://star.xq23.com/starplex_odeon/sherlock_.html

Manraviel


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The movie "Sherlock" is going to be aired today at 5 pm on HBO.

Here's a synopsis:

Sherlock
SYNOPSIS
-->
It's back to the elementary teachings of Sherlock Holmes, in his younger, more
impressionable days.

The killing of evil Professor Moriarty shoots the young detective into media
stardom. But of course, evil isn't vanquished quite that easily, and slowly but
surely, it starts rearing its ugly head again, more vicious than before.

Sherlock hooks up with enigmatic practitioner of autopsies, Dr. Watson, and
investigate the deaths of a string of poor, unfortunate crime lords who believe
Moriarty still walks. The dead are indeed wise.
CAST

Vincent D'Onofrio, Roger Morlidge
SHOWTIMES

05 Mar 2004 5:00 PM
14 Mar 2004 7:00 PM
22 Mar 2004 1:30 PM


Check it out if you can

Manraviel



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.Hi,
That's great . We should get on this . I can join if it is held in
the month of may when my vacation is on
sumal

Dear Garden city residents

     The members of this society belonging to Bangalore are proposing
to have a Holmesian party, in the rightful traditions of clubs like
the BSI, somewhere in Bangalore, sometime soon. (Venue and time
to be decided).

     I have got the confirmations from prominent members like Balaji,
Ravi. Including myself this makes three people who have jumped into
the party band-wagon.

     We need more members to make it a "party". As they say two is
company, three is a crowd, and more than three is a party.

     Those willing to smoke a pipe or two, have a pitcher or two,
shake a leg or two (not necessary) and share a thought or two on
the Master are welcome. They need not necessarily be Bangaloreans,
but anybody willing to join.

    Appropriate suggestions on the venue are greatly welcomed.

Cheers

-Anand


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> Subject: Re: Digest Number 168
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> Hi Anand,
>
> > Anyway I am still requesting some guys in Bangalore, who
> > are members of this group, whether they will be interested
> > in some kind of Holmesian Party.
>
> Count me in! I'm a teetotaller, but if other members are willing
> to put up with the noxious emanations from my pipe, I shall be
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> Hi Anand,
>
> Let me introduce myself first - I am Ravi, from
> Bangalore, and have been a member of this groupd for
> the past couple of months. I have been a silent
> member, generally soaking-in the various mails that
> keep flying to and fro .. and have been getting gyan
> on the master, his creator and other such trivia that
> has passed my mail client.
>
> Please count me in incase the Blore chapter of the
> group decides to have a get-together.
>
> Cheers,
> Ravi.
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> >       1. Re: Hello
> >            From: Anand Balachandran Pillai
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> > Subject: Re: Hello
> >
> > Hello Sumal
> >
> >        For meetings to happen, we need all or at
> > least some of these things.
> >
> > 1. A topic
> > 2. Some drinks
> > 3. Motivation from members
> >
> > The topic can be chosen as a discussion on certain
> > aspects
> > of the Master and his creator. Drinks... can be
> > worked out
> > probably according to the rules of BSI(Baker Street
> > Irregulars).
> >
> > The missing link in the chain is the motivation from
> > members...!
> > I have normally seen that the younger the members in
> > a group,
> > the more is the readiness to socialize.
> >
> > Anyway I am still requesting some guys in Bangalore,
> > who
> > are members of this group, whether they will be
> > interested
> > in some kind of Holmesian Party. I will be happy to
> > arrange
> > it if there is some participation.
> >
> > -Anand
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> > > It has been quite some time that we had a serious
> > discussion on the
> > > Master. Anand, you have not yet come back on the
> > meeting you were
> > > planning to organize of the members. Mark , can we
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Hi Anand,

Let me introduce myself first - I am Ravi, from
Bangalore, and have been a member of this groupd for
the past couple of months. I have been a silent
member, generally soaking-in the various mails that
keep flying to and fro .. and have been getting gyan
on the master, his creator and other such trivia that
has passed my mail client.

Please count me in incase the Blore chapter of the
group decides to have a get-together.

Cheers,
Ravi.


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>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Hello
>            From: Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <anandpillai6@...>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 05:05:25 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <anandpillai6@...>
> Subject: Re: Hello
>
> Hello Sumal
>
>        For meetings to happen, we need all or at
> least some of these things.
>
> 1. A topic
> 2. Some drinks
> 3. Motivation from members
>
> The topic can be chosen as a discussion on certain
> aspects
> of the Master and his creator. Drinks... can be
> worked out
> probably according to the rules of BSI(Baker Street
> Irregulars).
>
> The missing link in the chain is the motivation from
> members...!
> I have normally seen that the younger the members in
> a group,
> the more is the readiness to socialize.
>
> Anyway I am still requesting some guys in Bangalore,
> who
> are members of this group, whether they will be
> interested
> in some kind of Holmesian Party. I will be happy to
> arrange
> it if there is some participation.
>
> -Anand
>
>
>
> --- sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
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> > Topics in this digest:
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> >    Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:56:59 -0000
> >    From: sumalsn
> > Subject: Hello,
> >
> > Dear Holmesians,
> > It has been quite some time that we had a serious
> discussion on the
> > Master. Anand, you have not yet come back on the
> meeting you were
> > planning to organize of the members. Mark , can we
> get a discussion
> > going on some subject you can think of
> > sumal
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Anand,

> Anyway I am still requesting some guys in Bangalore, who
> are members of this group, whether they will be interested
> in some kind of Holmesian Party.

Count me in! I'm a teetotaller, but if other members are willing
to put up with the noxious emanations from my pipe, I shall be
bappy to participate!


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Hello Sumal

        For meetings to happen, we need all or at
least some of these things.

1. A topic
2. Some drinks
3. Motivation from members

The topic can be chosen as a discussion on certain aspects
of the Master and his creator. Drinks... can be worked out
probably according to the rules of BSI(Baker Street Irregulars).

The missing link in the chain is the motivation from members...!
I have normally seen that the younger the members in a group,
the more is the readiness to socialize.

Anyway I am still requesting some guys in Bangalore, who
are members of this group, whether they will be interested
in some kind of Holmesian Party. I will be happy to arrange
it if there is some participation.

-Anand



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>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Hello,
>            From: sumalsn
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
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>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:56:59 -0000
>    From: sumalsn
> Subject: Hello,
>
> Dear Holmesians,
> It has been quite some time that we had a serious discussion on the
> Master. Anand, you have not yet come back on the meeting you were
> planning to organize of the members. Mark , can we get a discussion
> going on some subject you can think of
> sumal
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