Dear Sherlockians,
I wish you a happy and prosperous new year. I hopethis year will
bring all of us peace and prosperity
sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
I wish to know who is really interested in books like "The orgin of
tree worship". Do guys with such interests exist?Strange that Holmes
adopted the disguise of a book seller. Comments on thsi please
sumal

My guess is that it really did have a lot to do with income - if a daughter
grew up plump in a world where most people were poor, it meant the family
was quite well-to-do, and they wanted to indicate this.

I also believe it's a fashion that could come and go as the decades pass and
tastes change.

Also, my further guess is that a given percentage of humans are primed
genetically to find certain 'types' attractive, and some will always feel
the fuller figured partner is more desirable and sexy; others will prefer
the slim-line tonic.

-----Original Message-----
From: sridhar C [mailto:cs_gollum@...]
Sent: 27 December 2004 15:55
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: RE: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Fainting- a discussion
cont'd


Here, in South India, for some inexplicable reason, men on the whole prefer
women with fuller figures. Even among actresses, this is a rule rather than
an exception. The only thin/petite actresses that are seen over here are
models from Mumbai/Delhi. Could this preference be related to some
not-so-historic ideas of women with not-so-thin figures being capable of
producing healthier children or some such rot?

Sridhar

Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
In my other response a minute ago, I forgot to mention that for most of
history a slim figure was far from the aspiration of women, nor considered
beautiful and attractive by anyone; indeed, the Rubinesque very full,
rounded and indeed plump figure was considered the ultimate in beauty, as
you can see from Renaissance paintings.  Even today, in much of Africa,
especially Western Africa, plump women are considered healthy and desirable
(the more so now that the terrible 'slimming disease' of AIDS has struck),
possibly because, as in the Middle Ages and Renaissance period in Europe,
only women from well-to-do families can manage to get a sufficient surplus
of food to become plump.  As we all know, in this misguided world, the
off-spring of well-to-do families are considered good catches!


-----Original Message-----
From: sumalsn [mailto:no_reply@...]
Sent: 26 December 2004 14:28
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Fainting- a discussion



Dear Tim,
That was interesting. I think the wheel has come full circle. We find
waif like models who achieve the same by starvingi.e Kate Moss is a
prime example.So Ithink a slim figure was an attribute sought after
by women of all ages . Why single out Victorians?
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Here, in South India, for some inexplicable reason, men on the whole prefer
women with fuller figures. Even among actresses, this is a rule rather than an
exception. The only thin/petite actresses that are seen over here are models
from Mumbai/Delhi. Could this preference be related to some not-so-historic
ideas of women with not-so-thin figures being capable of producing healthier
children or some such rot?

Sridhar

Tim Symonds <tim.symonds@...> wrote:
In my other response a minute ago, I forgot to mention that for most of
history a slim figure was far from the aspiration of women, nor considered
beautiful and attractive by anyone; indeed, the Rubinesque very full,
rounded and indeed plump figure was considered the ultimate in beauty, as
you can see from Renaissance paintings.  Even today, in much of Africa,
especially Western Africa, plump women are considered healthy and desirable
(the more so now that the terrible 'slimming disease' of AIDS has struck),
possibly because, as in the Middle Ages and Renaissance period in Europe,
only women from well-to-do families can manage to get a sufficient surplus
of food to become plump.  As we all know, in this misguided world, the
off-spring of well-to-do families are considered good catches!


-----Original Message-----
From: sumalsn [mailto:no_reply@...]
Sent: 26 December 2004 14:28
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Fainting- a discussion



Dear Tim,
That was interesting. I think the wheel has come full circle. We find
waif like models who achieve the same by starvingi.e Kate Moss is a
prime example.So Ithink a slim figure was an attribute sought after
by women of all ages . Why single out Victorians?
sumal






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In my other response a minute ago, I forgot to mention that for most of
history a slim figure was far from the aspiration of women, nor considered
beautiful and attractive by anyone; indeed, the Rubinesque very full,
rounded and indeed plump figure was considered the ultimate in beauty, as
you can see from Renaissance paintings.  Even today, in much of Africa,
especially Western Africa, plump women are considered healthy and desirable
(the more so now that the terrible 'slimming disease' of AIDS has struck),
possibly because, as in the Middle Ages and Renaissance period in Europe,
only women from well-to-do families can manage to get a sufficient surplus
of food to become plump.  As we all know, in this misguided world, the
off-spring of well-to-do families are considered good catches!


-----Original Message-----
From: sumalsn [mailto:no_reply@...]
Sent: 26 December 2004 14:28
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Fainting- a discussion



Dear Tim,
That was interesting. I think the wheel has come full circle. We find
waif like models who achieve the same by starvingi.e Kate Moss is a
prime example.So Ithink a slim figure was an attribute sought after
by women of all ages . Why single out Victorians?
sumal






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I mentioned the habit of upper-class Victorian young women to pinch in their
wastes with the use of corsets to give themselves hour-glass figures simply
to mention that this deliberate constraint of the flow of blood, combined
with fasting to the point of starvation, did mean it was quite common for
these 'delicate' young women to faint, so much so that 'swooning' in itself
became a sign of delicate nature and extreme sensitivity, when in fact it
was part of the good old mating game!

Kate Moss and others who verge on the bulimic in the modelling world do so
for commercial reasons - most haute couture designers design for fantasy
markets rather than the real world of women who may be a stone overweight or
more.  And as far as I know fainting is not any special symptom of dieting
to keep a slim modelling figure, as long as the diet is varied and
nutritious and the model takes a healthy amount of exercise.


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From: sumalsn [mailto:no_reply@...]
Sent: 26 December 2004 14:28
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] Re: Fainting- a discussion



Dear Tim,
That was interesting. I think the wheel has come full circle. We find
waif like models who achieve the same by starvingi.e Kate Moss is a
prime example.So Ithink a slim figure was an attribute sought after
by women of all ages . Why single out Victorians?
sumal






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Dear Tim,
That was interesting. I think the wheel has come full circle. We find
waif like models who achieve the same by starvingi.e Kate Moss is a
prime example.So Ithink a slim figure was an attribute sought after
by women of all ages . Why single out Victorians?
sumal

Fainting in Victorian times was a common phenomenon among the more 'refined'
women, rather than men, because they not only pretended they were far too
'refined' to eat properly (though many cheated behind the scenes) but they
wore contraptions - corsets - made usually from whale bones which gave them
hour-glass figures, i.e. pinched-in waists, which constricted the flow of
blood and therefore oxygen to the brain.
Watson as a doctor would know that shock causes a sudden drop in blood
pressure, therefore draining blood and oxygen suddenly from the brain, and
the possibility of fainting.

The more I think about the way Conan Doyle worked Holmes' return from the
dead, the cleverer I think this device was, and Watson's dramatic response
(fainting with the shock).  Members might like to wonder about other ways
Conan Doyle might have engineered this rather faked-up return to the living.



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From: sridhar C [mailto:cs_gollum@...]
Sent: 25 December 2004 03:48
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] Fainting- a discussion


Not of joy or happiness, but I do remember fainting of hunger once when I
was in the 4th std. My mom in those days was very impressed by anything that
was shown on TV. It seems she had seen some program about nutrition and
dieting for children. I don't know whether she misunderstood the
instructions or whether the discussion itself pointed that way, but I was
eating only a boiled egg and a glass of milk before going to school every
day for a few days. And then one fine day, while in the prayer hall, I
fainted. My mom realized something was wrong with the instructions and gave
them (the TV show people) a hearty curse and began feeding (gorging) me like
she used to before the program changed her views.


Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

Dear Sherlockians,
Dr Watson fainted when he saw Sherlock Holmes in front of him in the
Empty House. Does any member has any personal experience of fainting
due to happiness or joy. Comments are welcome.
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Not of joy or happiness, but I do remember fainting of hunger once when I was in
the 4th std. My mom in those days was very impressed by anything that was shown
on TV. It seems she had seen some program about nutrition and dieting for
children. I don't know whether she misunderstood the instructions or whether the
discussion itself pointed that way, but I was eating only a boiled egg and a
glass of milk before going to school every day for a few days. And then one fine
day, while in the prayer hall, I fainted. My mom realized something was wrong
with the instructions and gave them (the TV show people) a hearty curse and
began feeding (gorging) me like she used to before the program changed her
views.


Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

Dear Sherlockians,
Dr Watson fainted when he saw Sherlock Holmes in front of him in the
Empty House. Does any member has any personal experience of fainting
due to happiness or joy. Comments are welcome.
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Dear Sherlockians,
  Dr Watson fainted when he saw Sherlock Holmes in front of him in the
Empty House. Does any member has any personal experience of fainting
due to happiness or joy. Comments are welcome.
sumal

Dums dums, as flat-nosed bullets are called are indeed against the Geneva
conventions established after World War Two but this doesn't mean they are
not used in many close-combat conflicts.  It only takes a moment to cut the
sharp nose off a bullet, and while this does distort the flight, it makes no
difference at quite short ranges.  The point of the dum dum is when it
enters the body it flattens out much more and can deal a lot of damage to
soft-bodies creatures, such as humans, instead of going straight through and
possibly not doing a great deal of harm.
Around here, where I live in Southern England, I find dum dums from the
Canadian army billeted in the nearby woods, clearly designed to shoot the
spotted deer.



-----Original Message-----
From: sridhar C [mailto:cs_gollum@...]
Sent: 20 December 2004 03:47
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: Re: [sherlock holmes society of india] The Dum -dum bullet


That's really interesting. But, I've read that these bullets are used almost
exclusively by assassins around the globe. Well, that's a completely
different sort of war with a very different set of rules, I guess.


Sridhar

sumalsn <no_reply@...> wrote:

Dear Sherlockians,
It might interest you to know that the expanding bullet invented by
Van heden , the blind German mechanic has been banned in Combat under
the Geneva convention outlining the laws of War.
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Sorry for writing after such a long time. In fact I'm at a place whr no tel or
internet facility is there.....

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still at Arunachal and soon gonna move to a new place...

When r u getting married? Do tell me. Also tell me when u move to Pune so that I
can come and meet u there.

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That's really interesting. But, I've read that these bullets are used almost
exclusively by assassins around the globe. Well, that's a completely different
sort of war with a very different set of rules, I guess.


Sridhar

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It might interest you to know that the expanding bullet invented by
Van heden , the blind German mechanic has been banned in Combat under
the Geneva convention outlining the laws of War.
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  It might interest you to know that the expanding bullet invented by
Van heden , the blind German mechanic has been banned in Combat under
the Geneva convention outlining the laws of War.
sumal

He didn't know Moran to be the second most dangerous man in England.

What interests me is Moran's membership of the Anglo-Indian Club.
Perhaps he was an Anglo-Indian, since the British looked down on
the 'country born.' Consequently a 100% Briton may not have cared to
be a member of an Anglo-Indian club.



--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>  Don't you think Hon Ronald Adair was rather naive in trying to
> expose , the second most dangerous man in England, Col Sebastain
> Moran for which he had to pay with his life but the happy by
product
> was that we got Sherlock Holmes back
> sumal

Dear Sherlockians,
We had a discussion on this Sherlockian. I am carrying it further.
Comments are welcome
sumal

SHERLOCK HOLMES FAN BASED OWN DEATH ON STORY FROM CANON

The mysterious death of britians leading sherlock holmes expert sir
Richard Lancelyn Green appears to be a bizzare suicide plot
deliberatey based on one of the cases tackled by the great  detective
himself.According to friends, Sir Richard appears to have dressed up
his suicide as murder in an attempt to get at an enemy from beyond
the grave. A notion lifted from one of the stories in the canon.
In march this year , the body of Sir Richard Lancelyn Green , a 50
year old acedemic and a well known sherlockian, , was found
aphyxiated with a shoelace.

      The inquest was unable to decide what had happened and recorded
an open verdict.However , Sir Richard's friends believe he had killed
himself and deliberately tried to get an American academic rival
framed for the murder.According to the report sir richard had become
bitterly depressed after learning that a collection of papers ,
belonging to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.was to be sold at auction and
that the American was instumental in this..

     Sir Richard , it seems , had spent almost 20 years trying to
track down the archive so as to write a definitive biography of Conan
Doyle.He contacted fellow sherlockians and informed them that the
archive had been stolen and also told a journalist that " something
might happen to me ".The sunday times ( who ran this report ) said
that Sir Richard based this on a story from the canon  " Thor bridge "
in the story , Holmes proves that the tycoons wife who it appeared had
been killed by the governess , had in fact  actually comitted suicide
in a manner so as to implicate the suspected woman
   Whether it  was Sir Richard Lancelyn Green's death , murder or
suicide .
   only Holmes would be able to tell  ! ! !

Dear Shelockians,
I tried to chat with a few members but unfortunately it did not
materialize.Ca anyone tell me how we get around to chatting on the
groups itself .Let us fix a time and place to do chatting among
members
sumal

Yes indeed, Holmes' miraculous escape from death at the Falls was arranged
'ex post facto' by Conan Doyle and has always made even aficionados of the
Sherlock Holmes corpus wince a little, while accepting it with understanding
and good humour.  Conan Doyle and his publisher (the latter certainly in it
for the money) came under huge pressure from the public to bring Holmes
back.  Conan Doyle had polished Holmes off when feeling it was time to turn
his attention to the attempt to write 'great literature' rather than merely
detective stories.

How about the result?  Well, unfortunately most people believe the stories
written after Holmes returned from the dead are not up to the standard of
many of the pre-Falls stories though they are still fun.  I think there is
an analogy to painting here: even the greatest painters produced variable
results, and we should realise that some of the Conan Doyle stories from any
period are excellent, others not right up at the top in quality.



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 11 December 2004 11:20
To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
Subject: [sherlock holmes society of india] The empty house



Dear Sherlockiaans,
Do you think the story of Sherlock Holmes,s escape from the Reinbach
falls a little far fetched .It does stretch one's credibility a bit.
Any opinion on that
sumal






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Naivity doesn't come into the picture. Adair couldn't have known what he was
dealing with since he had only known the man as a cheater at cards.

Re the Return of the Master, haven't we seen movies (Bollywood/Hollywood) where
the hero and the villain are shown going over the top, but when the father of
the hero (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade) or his friend (LOTR III) or his
girlfriend/wife (ummm, can't remember offhand) show signs of beginning to mourn,
a hand is shown grabbing at the rocks or climbing out from a little way off?
What then is it so surprising that a man of such agility (read jiu-jitsu)
escapes from falling down by grabbing at rocks and survives? Then again, maybe
he's just plumb lucky!


Sridhar

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Dear Sherlockiaans,
Do you think the story of Sherlock Holmes,s escape from the Reinbach
falls a little far fetched .It does stretch one's credibility a bit.
Any opinion on that
sumal

Hello,
  Don't you think Hon Ronald Adair was rather naive in trying to
expose , the second most dangerous man in England, Col Sebastain
Moran for which he had to pay with his life but the happy by product
was that we got Sherlock Holmes back
sumal

Empty House and the Hon. Ronald Adair is fine with me. Who sets the
ball rolling?

btw, a link you might be interested in:
The New Annotated Sherlock Holmes:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0393059162/qid=1102254900/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-8097661-9771933?
v=glance&s=books&n=507846

--- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sherlockiaans,
>  It seems to be a toss up between empty house and the six
napoleans.
> Well, Anand and Mark have deserted us , it appears .No sign of
them
> for quite some time
> sumal

Dear Sherlockiaans,
  It seems to be a toss up between empty house and the six napoleans.
Well, Anand and Mark have deserted us , it appears .No sign of them
for quite some time
sumal

How about The Empty House, since we are (seems to me) coming back to life after
a short hiatus?!


Sridhar

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Dear Sherlockians,
Firstly, my thanks to Tim for joining back . I suggest Rishi and
Sridhar mail atleast one member so that they become active. I will be
doing that of course but I can always do with help. Which is the
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Dear Sherlockians

I think I'm all right now and will be regularly contributing again.


Sridhar
PS: Rome, eh?! I'll try that out ASAP. Thanks again, Rishi.

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>Some of them, like the Age of Empires/Conquerors are very much
addictive

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>Some of them, like the Age of Empires/Conquerors are very much
addictive

You should play Rome. It is the ultimate real-time strategy game.

>
>  I suggest Rishi and
> Sridhar mail atleast one member so that they become active. I will

Will do. But I'm busy with work over this weekend, so I can only
start from Tuesday. Hope that isn't a problem.



>Which is the story we are discussing this month ?

The Adventure of the Six Napoleons? I think that is one of the most
underrated stories in the Canon.

Dear Sherlockians,
  Firstly, my thanks to Tim for joining back . I suggest Rishi and
Sridhar mail atleast one member so that they become active. I will be
doing that of course but I can always do with help. Which is the
story we are discussing this month ?

Thanks Rishi. But, hey, I gotta confess that my CTS problems began once I got
those new games installed in my system a few weeks back. Some of them, like the
Age of Empires/Conquerors are very much addictive and I can't seem to keep
myself from getting at them the moment I get a spare hour or 10!


Sridhar

rishiiyengar <rishiiyengar@...> wrote:

Hey smeagol, Nice to see you back! Hope you recover from that CTS
soon.

cheers
r


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<cs_gollum@y...> wrote:
> I agree with both your recommendations. I, for one, feel that we
definitely need some sort of "scissoring." Then again, like Rishi
says, we are an informal society, so whatever rules/regulations are
brought in should be kept to a bare minimum.
>
> By the way, I am being plagued by that dreaded carpal tunnel
syndrome that affects us poor "computer-worms." So, following
doctor's orders, I am taking a few days off from work (and play)
related to computers. I hope to be back in regular form in 2-3 days.
>
>
> Sridhar
>
> rishiiyengar <rishiiyengar@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sumal,
>
> Thanks for your useful proposal. I would suggest a small
> modification to this rule: If a person, from this date, commits
> three offenses, then s/he should be banned from the group. I'm
> suggesting this because I think a rule should be enforceable,
> otherwise people might just ignore it.
> Second, if a person posts an excessive volume of off-topic posts,
> which other members do *not* wish to participate in, then that
> person should be banned.
> I don't think we should have more rules than this; after all, this
> is an informal society.
> Please treat this post as suggestions only; as founder and
> moderator, of course, the ultimate decision is up to you.
> Regards
> Rishi
>
>
>
> --- In SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@..., sumalsn
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sherlockians,
> >  I never thought this society would need this but the events of
> the
> > past few months has led me to suggest this , what I am proposing
> is
> > that it is high time we have a proper code of conduct in place.
> The
> > acrimonious exchanges in the past few months have caused a lot
of
> > heart burn among members whao are worried at the course this
> society
> > is leading into. So it is better we police ourselves to have a
> very
> > healthy friendship among ourselves.
> >   Members  are requested to propose a code of conduct themselves
> so
> > that we can all abide by it . We can also set up a commitee
which
> > will decide what is offensive or not . I am just suggesting
these
> > ideas, we will implement those ideas which emerge out of
consensus
> >  I suggest  the basic and most important rule.
> >  1. There shall be no personal and offensive remark targetted
> against
> > any member of the society
> >   Members , please send your proposals.
> > sumal
>
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