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#1815 From: ROHIT BAGGA <rbaggaca@...>
Date:: Tue Aug 2, 2005 4:54 am
Subject:: Beauty of Earth
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Elephant Point
Elephant Point (themepost) by misstrixie

 

 

 

 

 

The Valley of Hands

Original used with permission - thanks jerrysense!

 

 

 

Salvador Dali Outdoor Sculpture Garden

(I already got consent for the inanimate thing from Eurydice.)

I was visiting the new Dali museum enjoying the sculpture and the dramatic backdrop with the rural fishermen and suddenly some pelicans were disturbed and flew towards me. I snapped this picture.

 

 

 

 

 

Stonefish

"Hey Frank, something's fishy about that rock."

 

 

 

Croc island

This was fun to do.

 

 

 

camel

 

camel by naveen4

 


 

 

 

Love In Turmoil

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Drinking animal

Isnt it cute?!

Drinking animal by Cheshirecat1582

 

 

 

Aphrodite

The famous Aphrodite's Rocks in Cyprus eventually grew tired of being a popular tourist attraction and decided to excavate themselves into obscurity.

Aphrodite's Digger by RandomAssembly

 

 

Grandfather Mountain

Located in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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#1814 From: "viplav" <khoda_viplav@...>
Date:: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:05 pm
Subject:: floods in mumbai
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after flood like situation in himachal, gujrat it was Mumbai's turn.
life was totaly cut off here for full 3 days, many of my friends spend
3 days in their office. Cinemas did great business here. Puna also saw
its share of rain. apparently Mumbai recorded highest ever rain fall in
india, even more than chera punji.
hope to come back to shimla, and enjoy the rains there.
vplv

#1813 From: ROHIT BAGGA <rbaggaca@...>
Date:: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:51 am
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Digest Number 569
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what do you think about sony F828 ?
is it good camera ?
it has manual features too but it's not SLR.


Sandeep <sandygoel2001@...> wrote:
All camera greater than 3MP are good when you take
photographs in natural light but indoors results are
not so good. Nothing beats SLR camera. The technology
is there but those digital camera are expensive.
Following models are good. 
Sony T1 lowest price is $266/-
Sony Cybershot DSCT33 5.1MP lowest price $325/-
Canon PowerShot A95 5MP  $210/-
Canon PowerShot SD500 7.1MP lowest price is $370/-
Kodak Easyshare models and FujiFine are good,have
similar features, value for money but they are not
famous as sony and canon.
Check these sites for more details and reviews
pricegrabber.com
edealinfo.com
deals2buy.com
ritzcamera.com
amazon.com
Hope this help,
Sandeep Goel


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> hi guys this is ramit from simla
> i plan to buy a digital camera but i am clue less
> about the models, specifications, price and the
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#1812 From: Sandeep <sandygoel2001@...>
Date:: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:17 am
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Digest Number 569
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All camera greater than 3MP are good when you take
photographs in natural light but indoors results are
not so good. Nothing beats SLR camera. The technology
is there but those digital camera are expensive.
Following models are good.
Sony T1 lowest price is $266/-
Sony Cybershot DSCT33 5.1MP lowest price $325/-
Canon PowerShot A95 5MP  $210/-
Canon PowerShot SD500 7.1MP lowest price is $370/-
Kodak Easyshare models and FujiFine are good,have
similar features, value for money but they are not
famous as sony and canon.
Check these sites for more details and reviews
pricegrabber.com
edealinfo.com
deals2buy.com
ritzcamera.com
amazon.com
Hope this help,
Sandeep Goel


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> hi guys this is ramit from simla
> i plan to buy a digital camera but i am clue less
> about the models, specifications, price and the
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#1811 From: sarju5
Date:: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:49 am
Subject:: Re: Digital Camera
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Hello Guys

I am pretty much into digital photography now a days
check out <a href="http://www.trekearth.com/members/sarju/photos/">
this website </a>if you want to know the kind of photos I have been
taking ....

I can give you my advice about the cameras too, but you will have to
be specific
I will need to know
The Price Range
what sort of photography (more of a manual or automatic)

and lastly I mostly know about Canon and Nikon only
cheers
Sarju

btw for automatic control I would recommend Nikon and for more
manual features I will recommend Canon in Point and Shoot digital
cameras ... cheers

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#1810 From: "ankush_chowdhary" <ankush_chowdhary@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:27 am
Subject:: Re: Digital Camera
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Ramit,
I would say it depends on how much you willing to spend , not sure
about HP but I do know Canon is really good a bit dear but they really
good.

Check out cannot it is really good.

#1809 From: ramit kakkar <rk_merc@...>
Date:: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:30 pm
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Re: Digital Camera
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hi ankush
 
well though i have not decided i got to know of another option which was a digicam of HP the specifications are it is 4 mega pixel and has a 3x and a 6x  optical and a digital zoom resp if i am not mistaken
 
it costs around 8000 what do you think of a digital camera by HP
 
trust all is well
 
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#1808 From: Amit Khanna <janus_500@...>
Date:: Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:49 pm
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Re: Digital Camera
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$300 is too much for that config. If u are still
looking for the same camera, go to www.deal2buy.com
  Similar Camera's can be bought under $200. And if
lucky enuf might end up getting 256 MB card for free.
Just keep on checking daily.

Good Luck

Amit K


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> Ramit,
> If you looking to buy something for personal use
> then you should
> consider sony "cyber shot" the 4.1Mega pix is a very
> good choice plus
> its cheap and very handy and light.Costs around
> $AUD300 i.e roughly
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#1807 From: "ankush_chowdhary" <ankush_chowdhary@...>
Date:: Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:27 am
Subject:: Re: Digital Camera
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Ramit,
If you looking to buy something for personal use then you should
consider sony "cyber shot" the 4.1Mega pix is a very good choice plus
its cheap and very handy and light.Costs around $AUD300 i.e roughly
6000 INR.

Details

http://www.sony.com.au/dis/catalog/product.jsp?categoryId=22119


If you wanna spend more you can go upto 5 Mega pixel or even higher
depends on your budget.


ankush

#1806 From: karma dawa <karmadawa_001@...>
Date:: Thu Jul 7, 2005 4:39 pm
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Digital Camera
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nikkon cool pix digital camera for personal use
it will be better 2-3 mega pix is enough for personal use
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#1805 From: ramit kakkar <rk_merc@...>
Date:: Wed Jul 6, 2005 12:41 pm
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Digital Camera
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hi guys this is ramit from simla
i plan to buy a digital camera but i am clue less about the models, specifications, price and the company
 
what i am looking for is a digital camera which is average in everysense that is price, features
 
 
i hope i can get some information for you all
 
trust all is well
 
ramit


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#1804 From: "Varun Rattan Singh" <varun_singh@...>
Date:: Thu Jul 7, 2005 2:34 pm
Subject:: Flood relief in Himachal - meeting at Himachal Bhawan , July 10
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Please confirm your avialability latest by Saturday. We will be in a
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to go about it.

So please confirm your presence either by email to the group or
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#1803 From: Sepel <tenzin_iitb@...>
Date:: Wed Jul 6, 2005 10:50 pm
Subject:: What you didnt know about "Operation Blue Star" and "Phantoms of Chittagong "
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Two splendid investigative articles. Btw,
Establishment 22 in question is still a potent force
in Himachal Pradesh.

"Tibetan faujis in Bluestar" has been removed by
Rediff(I Wonder why. Anyhow, I am making available the
whole article for those who want to read it.

"Phantoms of Chittagong" is avaialable on
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jan/08spec.htm
****************************************************
The Rediff Special/Claude Arpi
June 24, 2004

The Rediff Special
Tibetan faujis in Bluestar

Twenty years ago, India went through one of the most
traumatic experiences of her modern history. Indira
Gandhi, the then prime minister, had to order the
Indian army to assault the Akal Takht occupied by
armed Sikh militants in the Golden Temple complex at
Amritsar. Several aspects of Operation Bluestar, as
well as the sequence of events that brought the
country and, more particularly, the state of Punjab to
this sad end have been described in detail by eminent
writers.

However, one aspect has never been mentioned. It
remains one of the most secret features of this
painful event: the participation of Tibetan commandos
known as the 'Special Frontier Forces' in the military
operations at the Golden Temple complex.

Before going into the background of this intervention,
it is necessary to point out the preposterousness of
the situation. Armed militants had not only taken over
the most sacred shrine of the Sikhs, but had also
fortified many places near the main temple to such an
extent that a siege could be sustained for several
weeks. In the West, Operation Bluestar has often been
misunderstood and depicted as an attack on the Sikh
faith. This is wrong. A few months after the
operation, while visiting Paris, I stood in front of
the majestic Notre Dame Cathedral and visualised the
weird situation. What would the French government have
done if militants had barricaded the doors and windows
of this masterpiece of architecture, most sacred for
tens of millions of French Christians?

France (or England if a similar episode had occurred
in Westminster) would undoubtedly have taken the same
decision as Indira Gandhi to recover the holy shrine
by force. For such a purpose the best troops are its
disposal would have been used. In reading the story
that follows, this basic tenet should be kept in mind.

The question is: Why were Tibetans troops used during
Operation Bluestar? Though it raises many other
questions, the answer is simple: because the SFF were
the best commandos available at that time, at least in
Indira Gandhi's mind.

The story of these men started many years earlier. In
1950, Tibet was invaded by the Chinese People
Liberation Army. During the following years, Beijing
began what they called the process of 'liberation' of
the Roof of the World. The eastern part of the Tibetan
plateau, particularly the province of Kham that
adjoins China, suffered most from the forced
'liberation.' But the local Khampas had the reputation
of being the best and the most fearless soldiers in
Asia since centuries. Alexandra David-Neel, the famous
French explorer wrote in detail (and often with
admiration)
about the gentleman-brigands of Kham.

In the mid-50s, the Khampas organised themselves to
fight the Chinese occupiers. Under the name of 'Chushi
Gangdruk' (Four Rivers, Six Ranges) or 'National
Volunteer Defence Army' the horsemen of Kham inflicted
heavy casualties on the better-equipped Liberation
Army. In March 1959, a few hundred of them secretly
accompanied the Dalai Lama to safety in India.

Once the Tibetan leader was given asylum by Delhi, the
Tibetan soldiers were in a dilemma: should they stop
their activities against the Communist troops and
follow their religious leader to exile or continue the
struggle for the liberation of their motherland?

The decision was taken for them when, in late 1959,
several hundreds of them were secretly offered a very
special training. According to John Avedon, an
American journalist who investigated the Tibetan
secret war, selected Tibetan youth were first
assembled in Darjeeling. Avedon explains that a senior
official of the Chushi Gangdruk 'instructed the men
either to leave or to sign the paper, which, as a
recruitment form for the National Volunteer Defence
Army, bound them to obey to the death any order given
by a superior.' Forty-five years later, it still
remains difficult to follow their journey as they were
all under oath to not disclose their new activities
(in fact, it is only years later that they would learn
themselves their own itinerary).

>From Darjeeling, they were smuggled through the East
Pakistan border (now Bangladesh) with the connivance
of Pakistani authorities. After a long journey in a
sealed wagon and a car ride through East Pakistan,
they were taken to an airport. Finally they boarded a
small aircraft where, for the first time, they were
addressed by white men who offered them a very strange
blackish beverage. They would soon learn the name of
this strange drink, Coca-Cola.

After a stop over in Okinawa (they believed they were
in Taiwan), their journey continued. In the plane,
they received their first briefing and were given
strange sounding names such as Doug, Bob, Willy, Jack,
Rocky, Martin or Lee. Their suspicions were confirmed:
the United States of America had finally decided to
help the Tibetan cause and provide the necessary
training to help them free their country. After
Okinawa, they landed in a second island (Hawaii) and
then a city (San Francisco).

The next day they reached Camp Hale, a place located
100 km from Denver in Colorado that was used during
World War II for high-altitude combat training. There,
they received full commando training by the Central
Intelligence Agency.

When the 1962 war with China broke out, India felt
uncomfortable about the Tibetans being trained by the
CIA. Delhi was particularly disturbed by the fact that
it was organised with Pakistan knowledge. One week
before Beijing declared a ceasefire, Delhi decided to
act. On November 13, a clandestine Tibetan commando
group was raised. The Special Frontier Forces were
code-named 'Establishment 22' simply because their
first inspector general had been the commander of 22
Mountain Regiment during World War II. Today, they
still call themselves the '22s' (two-twos).

The force was put under the direct supervision of the
Intelligence Bureau, and later, the Research and
Analysis Wing, India's external intelligence agency.
The first task of this entirely Tibetan force was to
guard the Himalayan borders and eventually cross into
Tibet to gather intelligence on the Chinese forces.
Delhi had learned the hard way that China was not a
'bhai' (brother) and there was no short
cut to reliable intelligence input on the Chinese in
Tibet.

B N Mullick, Nehru's IB chief, was the main organiser
of the new regiment and Major General S S Uban of the
Indian Army, its first commander. Though aware of its
existence, the Tibetan administration in exile
dissociated itself from the venture. Violence was not
acceptable to solve the Tibetan issue. But the
commandos, trained by the CIA at Camp Yale, were the
ideal human resource for the Indian purpose. As for
the young Tibetans, they could finally dream of
fighting 'officially' along with the Indian troops
against the Communist forces and thus endeavour to
regain one day their freedom.

During the first years the Tibetans fulfilled their
assigned mission. But one day in 1971, they received a
message (conveyed through their Indian commander) from
Indira Gandhi: "We cannot compel you to fight a war
for us, but the fact is that General [A A K] Niazi
[Pakistani army commander in East Pakistan] is
treating the people of East Pakistan very badly. India
has to do something about it. In a way, it is similar
to the way the Chinese are treating the Tibetans in
Tibet, we are facing a similar situation. It would be
appreciated if you could help us fight the war for
liberating the people of Bangladesh.'

For the first time, the Tibetans agreed to get
involved in a war that was not theirs: perhaps they
saw this as the ideal preparation for their ultimate
goal.

I have written earlier about the SSF involvement in
the Bangladesh operations, The Phantoms of Chittagong.
After their outstanding participation in the
liberation of Bangladesh, Indira Gandhi became
enamoured with the SFF. It was soon nicknamed as
Indira Fauj.

But their role and actions have continued to be
shrouded in mystery. Whether they served on the
Siachen glacier or in counter-terrorism operations,
the Tibetan troops never spoke. It is rumoured that in
1977, an AN12 aircraft was on constant alert at a SFF
paratrooper base with instructions to fly the prime
minister to Mauritius if her life was threatened.
Whether it is true or not, very few can say!

By the early 1980s, the SFF's Special Group had become
the primary counter-terrorist force in India. It was
therefore logical that Indira Gandhi was tempted to
use the '22s' for flushing the militants out of the
Golden Temple complex. Unfortunately, the military
intelligence had very little clue to the extent of the
fortifications in and around the Akal Takht. Once
Operation Bluestar was decided, the SFF were flown
from their base in Uttar Pradesh and assigned the
impossible task to isolate Akal Takht and secure its
western flank by 1 am on June 6 while the 1
Para-Commandos were to manage a foothold in the Akal
Takht itself.

The Bharat Rakshak web site recounts that the SFF and
1 Para-Commandos were immediately bogged down by the
heavy fire from the Akal Takht: the Tibetans 'started
with 50 men, had already 17 casualties (three dead).
With midnight approaching, casualties mounting and the
objectives far from being achieved, the situation was
desperate.'

What was in these young Tibetans' minds at that
precise moment? Were they still dreaming of a free
Tibet or visualising the holy Tsuglakhang Temple in
Lhasa vandalised by a so-called Liberation Army?

At 2 am, as the situation had not improved, the army
had no other alternative but to call for the tanks. It
was done after the clearance was obtained from Delhi.
The rest is history.

During the following days, the '22s' continued to
participate in the mopping up operations and it is
said that one SFF officer, serving as President Zail
Singh's bodyguard when he visited the complex, was
wounded in the arm by a sniper. The militant was
immediately killed by other commandos.

When Indira Gandhi was gunned down by her own
bodyguards, Rajiv Gandhi remembered his mother's army
and for a couple of months, the SFF provided security
to the new prime minister. A year later, the National
Security Guard was created by an act of Parliament,
and which replaced the Tibetan commandos. But the
training and uniform of the NSG were modelled on the
SFF.

Such a strange destiny: 'Establishment 22', created to
defend the Indian border (and for the Tibetans to
liberate their country) was ultimately engaged in some
of the most traumatic assignments in the history
modern India. Not only did this have nothing to do
with Tibet but these men were unable to fulfil their
own ultimate life mission: Tibet's freedom.

As consolation, they perhaps believed that they were
repaying their debt to India who had given refuge to
their leader. This way, they have probably created a
good karma for themselves and for the future of their
country! Who knows!
******************************************************
January 08, 2003
Phantoms of Chittagong

........

Under the cover of the Mukti Bahini, Tibetans
infiltrated East Pakistan (soon to be Bangladesh) a
few weeks before the beginning of the war. They
conducted raids to destroy bridges and communication
lines deep inside Pakistan's eastern province. The
operation was so secret that most generals of the
Indian Army's Eastern Command in Calcutta did not know
about the activities of 3,000 Tibetans jawans
commanded by a Tibetan Dapon (the equivalent of a
brigadier of the Indian Army) who helped the Indian
Army advance.......

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#1802 From: raj khanna <rajomfs@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 5, 2005 11:22 pm
Subject:: Re: Shimla - Newsletter Digital Camera
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You have picked a good choice. However you may want to
consider a digital SLR in the same price range. As you
may know the SLR will give you the flexibility of
adding different lenses. Take care
Raj

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#1800 From: Sepel <tenzin_iitb@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 5, 2005 1:10 pm
Subject:: Re: Sutlej screwup!!
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Hi Nitiin

Thanx for the information. Yes, i followed up on the
situation back home. It wasn`t rosy. The improtance of
this highway is clearly not lost on anyone(state and
centre). I have heard that the PWD is trying hard on
it.
I think GOVT of Himachal should hand over the road to
BRO( Border Road organisation) back from Rampur to
Kaurik. Right now they handle it somewhere around
Tapri. Those people have the necessary
manpower,expertise and infrastructure to properly
address these issues at war footing, its apart of
Ministry of Defense if people are wondering. So, the
central govt foots in the bill.  Remember, this road
used to fall under BRO but was given back to state
govt  sometime in early 80`s.

Without roads anyplace is as backward as you can
imagine. If i am not wrong, those roadblocked regions
right now would be seeing prices skyrocketing and
blackmarketing taking over. I sincerely hope that
those are under check. There is sufficient storage
facility in kinnaur to last for 2 to 3 months, so the
onus is on the local administration now. Common people
should not be made to pay for nature`s fury.

Satluj in its fury is unrepenting and those who have
seen the river would know what i am talking about.
Let`s hope that before the cash crops like apple and
other fruits start moving out, roads are ready unlike
2001 when crores worth of apples got rotten. The army
and navy did a splendid job back then though.

While the national limelight has been lost again from
the issue due to unprecedented damage in gujarat. I
sincerely hope that the central govt is chalking some
strategy to handle this issue. May be, build  a new
Hindustan Tibet road high up in the reaches. If you
people dont remeber, this used to be the case before
NH 22 opened up. The earlier road used to be from
Sarahan and ended up in sangla  if i am not wrong, it
was a narrow jeep road basically. This route is still
being used for trekking purpose and by shepherds,
gujjars alike. (Its very scenic as it moves along the
high passes)
Moreover Himachal govt needs a new Public relation
head too. This flooding made people believe that it
affected the whole of himachal which led to
cancellation of torusits during the peak season. All
this tourism and internal development is a sham if we
dont have a robust communication and transportation
line. Infrastucture development should be a priority
and the development shouldnt be restricted to some
pockets of himachal.

later
Tenzin
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> Dear Tenzin
>
> Satluj was all fury.. was at Luhri bridge when water
> passed through.
> Satluj was just 5 feet the bridge.. Last time it was
> flowing above the
> bridge. Was at Rampur yesterday.. Nogli is washed
> up... the BBMB
> chowki just after Nogli is washed up.. The river cut
> though the road.
> Again the road near Nirmand bridge has been washed
> out. The new bridge
> to Nirmand is still there but the old bailey bridge
> was washed off.
>
> Road has been cleared till Tapri.. Peo will be open
> in a few days.
>
> Nitin
>
>
>




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#1799 From: "Nitin" <bnityin@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 5, 2005 8:56 am
Subject:: Re: Sutlej screwup!!
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Dear Tenzin

Satluj was all fury.. was at Luhri bridge when water passed through.
Satluj was just 5 feet the bridge.. Last time it was flowing above the
bridge. Was at Rampur yesterday.. Nogli is washed up... the BBMB
chowki just after Nogli is washed up.. The river cut though the road.
Again the road near Nirmand bridge has been washed out. The new bridge
to Nirmand is still there but the old bailey bridge was washed off.

Road has been cleared till Tapri.. Peo will be open in a few days.

Nitin

#1798 From: NITYIN <bnityin@...>
Date:: Tue Jul 5, 2005 6:56 am
Subject:: Fwd: VOH Chief Minister Relief Fund
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Hi friends
Some of the people who are abroad have been enquiring how to
contribute to the Relief Fund.

They can send in the money through a draft formatted

To
Chief Minister's Relief Fund Himachal Pradesh.

(The draft should be payable at Shimla, Himachal pradesh).

You can send in the draft directly to
The Resident Commissioner,
Himachal Bhawan,
Bhagwan Das Road
Mandi House
New Delhi
110001

For any enquires call: 91 - 11 - 23716124. (Himachal Bhawan Number)

If you wish to contribute through Voice of Himachal, please send in
your drafts (again marked as: Chief Minister's relief... ) to me at
the address:

Surender Kumar Dhaleta
1013,
Sector - 4
R K Puram
New Delhi
110022

Important: For transparency sake if you are sending any drafts through
Voice of Himachal, please post the following details on the group:
Draft amount, Draft of which bank, draft number, draft date, etc.

We then can go together and hand over the sum to the Resident
Commissioner or to the Chief Minister himself. (I've talked to guys in
Himachal Bhawan. They say if the amount is huge, they can arrange a small function as well, with the Press and all.)

Waiting to hear for your response.
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Date:: Fri Jul 1, 2005 9:21 am
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#1796 From: Sepel <tenzin_iitb@...>
Date:: Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:31 pm
Subject:: Areas along Sutlej river in Himachal on high alert
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As far as i have heard. Bridges washed includes
Karcham and choling. So entry to Rekong Peo, Kalpa and
interior kinnaur through NH-22  is blocked.
While entry to sangla valley through private bridge of
Jai Prakash industries is open (as main bridge is
washed away) small vehicles only. So tourists would
have to re think the plans for foray in kinnaur. Those
visting Sangla can do so. News story follows.

http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Areas+along+Sutlej+in+HP+on\
+high+alert&id=17176
NDTV Correspondent

Sunday, June 26, 2005 (New Delhi):

A high alert has been sounded in areas along the
Sutlej river valley in Himachal Pradesh following a
sudden rise in the level of the Parechu.

The water level of Parechu, a tributary of Satluj
which rose by 40 to 50 feet has been attributed to the
melting of glaciers.

Local officials say at least two upstream bridges have
been washed away and traffic was disrupted on the
Hindustan-Tibet highway, which serves as a crucial
road link to the remote border areas.

According to latest reports, water has reportedly
entered Rampur - a major town on the banks of the
Sutlej.

"The waters entered around 5 pm. It rose by 10-12 feet
but they later started receding," said D K Rattam,
SDM, Rampur.

Precautionary measure

About 5,000 people from various parts of the valley
have been evacuated. The people living along the banks
of Sutlej were shifted to safer places as a
precautionary measure.

Adding to the concern is the danger posed by the lake
formed by landslides on the Parechu in Tibet. Many
fear that this lake could burst causing a flash flood.

Officials think that the sudden rise in the Parechu
could be because this lake is leaking or because of
rapidly melting snow.

High-level meeting

In a bid to assess the situation, the Centre held an
emergency meeting today.

"Nearly 5,000 people from three villages along the
200-km stretch of Sutlej river have been evacuated to
safer places as a precautionary measure," Home
Secretary V K Duggal told reporters.

The hour-long emergency meeting was chaired by Cabinet
Secretary B K Chaturvedi in which secretaries of all
ministries and army and para-military forces were
present.

Duggal said MI-7 and MI-8 helicopters have been asked
to be ready at Chandigarh airbase to meet any
eventuality.

Air Force on standby

The high alert has been sounded in the areas of
Kinnaur, Rampur, Mandi and Bilaspur. The highway
leading to Kinnaur has been closed to traffic.

Meanwhile, IAF choppers carried out a recce operation
to assess the flood situation in Himachal Pradesh.

"The Air Force is standing by to help the state
government in evacuation and rescue and relief
operations," Airforce spokesman Squadron Leader Mahesh
Upasani said.

"We have all the arrangements ready. All the officials
know about this and people have been cautioned," said
Vidhya Stokes, Power Minister, Himachal Pradesh.

Meanwhile, the Chinese Ambassador to India has assured
India a regular exchange of information on the
situation of the artificial lake formed on the Parechu
river in Tibet just before it enters India.

Nathpa power project

The Nathpa-Jhakri project Authority, which shut down
its power station yesterday due to heavy silting,
opened the gates of the dam to flush out water.

According to reports, the discharge of water in Satluj
at Nathpa was 1600 cumex (Cubic metres per sec)
resulting in silt content to 8000 ppm (parts per
million), which was 3000 ppm above the maximum
permissible limit.

On its part, the government says the Nathpa-Jhakri
power project which supplies the northern grid is
unaffected and is shut for routine maintenance.

The alert in the Sutlej valley is likely to continue
for the next few days. But with the monsoon hitting
Himachal Pradesh today the situation is likely to
remain tense. (With PTI inputs)



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#1795 From: sa g <sandygoel2001@...>
Date:: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:01 pm
Subject:: himachal stats, facts and figures
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While surfing found interesting facts about Himachal,
thought of sharing with you.
Sandeep Goel

http://www.neoncarrot.co.uk/h_aboutindia/himachal_pradesh_stats.html

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Date:: Fri May 27, 2005 5:49 am
Subject:: Fwd: Diwali stamp
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#1793 From: "ankush_chowdhary" <ankush_chowdhary@...>
Date:: Thu May 19, 2005 9:45 am
Subject:: Re: not funny...at all!!
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Awesome nityn I wasn't sure how you manage it but its just that I am
a bit critical, I like to go to shimlhangout and read shimla stuff
and meet shimla people and help  and get help but you know at times
some users just abuse the privilage.

And ya i am still waiting for that ishimla thing you keen drop me a
mail.

cheers
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#1792 From: "Nitin" <bnityin@...>
Date:: Thu May 19, 2005 9:17 am
Subject:: Re: not funny...at all!!
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Dear Chief...

The posts here are moderated and members who give there details and
have posted relevant posts in past are allowed to post directly on
board. Rest all posts are moderated.

Amount of junk posted here is quite less and this post has happened
out of the blue... The poster is back on moderated list.

Nitin

#1791 From: "ankush_chowdhary" <ankush_chowdhary@...>
Date:: Wed May 18, 2005 8:49 am
Subject:: Re: Its not funny..try it once..
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Hi Tarun,
Dont mind my saying that but this post of yours, how has this got
anything to do with "Shimlahangout" and the topic the forum is based
on.

I think we get enough spam in our mailboxes already!!Please stick to
the topic.

Nitin I think members should to get posts in the mailbox releavant
to the "group" not this, I think you should make posts to be
moderated ,not my place to say that but just a suggestion, you the
best one to decide :-).


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