Rajiv, I remember Saket from my Barsati days in Delhi in 1996. Fresh outta college... came to Delhi... Stayed there for a year but somehow Delhi was too big for me so eventually moved out to the west coast :)) 

Palampur is a great place. I crossed through once while coming back from Patnitop on one of those biking tour. Stayed at the Tourism Hotel there.. Great place for solitude. I am all game for Pahari on the board.. but somehow can't think of right words to pen down... Will try my best to chip in with appropraite words...

Nitin

problem is that we're all from diff. parts so we'll be grappling with
our own dialects eg. u in kangri(if it's called that) my mom's place
was arki and dad's junga (near shimla) so I will be muttering
something from there. And thnx a ton for the invitation sounds like a
gr8 idea:)
--- In Shimlahangout@y..., DIMITRY POPOV <ruskemp2000@y...> wrote:
> Rachna,
>
> Palampur has  been known for its tea gardens.Of late
> though things are bad thanks to the general bad
> scenario in the tea market. Beer is the place from
> where you take off on your glider. Many Gliders land
> at Palampur probablly something to do with air
> currents, thermals(no not the Roopa kind:).
>
> Nothing to be embarassed about if you don't know
> pahari. All that it requires is constant interaction
> with someone who knows pahari - in pahari of course.
>
> Since you are in Delhi you are welcome to come over
> and gapan maro with me and my wife when ever the urge
> to learn pahari overtakes you .I am afraid I can't
> offer this to Nitin as he is in Ahmedabad .
>
> Why not have a dialogue in pahari on the net? what do
> you say Nitin. I will chip in with what ever I know.
>
> Best
> Rajeev
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Rachna,

Palampur has  been known for its tea gardens.Of late
though things are bad thanks to the general bad
scenario in the tea market. Beer is the place from
where you take off on your glider. Many Gliders land
at Palampur probablly something to do with air
currents, thermals(no not the Roopa kind:).

Nothing to be embarassed about if you don't know
pahari. All that it requires is constant interaction
with someone who knows pahari - in pahari of course.

Since you are in Delhi you are welcome to come over
and gapan maro with me and my wife when ever the urge
to learn pahari overtakes you .I am afraid I can't
offer this to Nitin as he is in Ahmedabad .

Why not have a dialogue in pahari on the net? what do
you say Nitin. I will chip in with what ever I know.

Best
Rajeev



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A very timely article in today's Tribune. It would be mighty helpful for the neta loge to  skip buffonary and deal with real issuses!!

CONGRESS MANIFESTO
Promises difficult to keep
Prabhjot Singh
Tribune News Service

Hamirpur, February 18
Printed statement of principles and policies made by a leader or a group, especially of a political party, before an election, reads the dictionary meaning or definition of manifesto.

On the eve of elections, political parties make promise the moon to the voters. This may not be possible any more as people remember the promises and commitments made to them by the political parties concerned.

For the February 26 Assembly elections, both the BJP and the Congress have tried to outsmart each other by promising them all that can woo voters.

For playing to the gallery and for general public interest, promises on fighting corruption and ending nepotism, favouritism, graft and immorality look impressive, but in reality will it go beyond the printed manifesto remains to be seen. Promising clean administration is one thing that appeals to an average man, but what mechanism will be used to achieve it is not revealed. Similar promises were made in Punjab by the Congress, but practically things stood as they were in the previous SAD-BJP regime. Every job still has a price tag attached to it.

Probing of corruption charges against the BJP government and reviewing the memorandums of understanding signed with private parties for execution of hydel-power projects are the issues which may not directly affect the common man.

Issues like giving a job to at least one member from the below poverty line families, raising the minimum wages to Rs 75 a day, reviewing user charges in hospitals and regularising services of those who have put in seven years of service are the issues which make sense to an average villager or a labourer or a skilled or unskilled worker.

Himachal Pradesh is one state where every young man, on attaining a certain skill or qualification, hopes to get a government job. With growing emphasis on privatisation and shrinking job base, giving jobs is a challenging promise, especially in context with which employment is viewed.

A cross-section of Himachalis, for example, do not consider self-employment or jobs in private sector as adequate employment. For them employment means jobs in the state or Central Government . Himachal Pradesh is known to contribute substantially to the defence forces. But rampant corruption in recruitment in armed forces has virtually put jobs in the armed forces beyond the reach of a lower-middle-class or middle -class family.

Interestingly, for many of the infrastructure development projects in the state undertaken by private contractors and construction companies, those employed are mostly outsiders as local people do not volunteer to work for private employers. In Bamsan, the constituency of Chief Minister Prem Kumar Dhumal, in one village — Tonny Devi — of 750 persons, the number of Bihari migrant labourers is estimated to be about 350.

At present, the number of unemployed persons on the live rolls of the state employment agencies is anything between nine and 11 lakh. The figure, admit the officials, is misleading as more than 50 per cent of these are either self employed or working in private sector.

The Congress has failed to spell out how and where it will create permanent job opportunities in government departments. The state needs to look forward to develop its horticulture and information technology sectors, besides giving impetus to the advancing science of biotechnology. The Congress manifesto does not dwell much on these issues though mentions of these areas in the manifesto are peripheral.

The fiscal deficit has been growing at a rapid pace. From where the money will be generated for the schemes and promises mentioned in the manifesto is not known. The manifesto promises honourable living to every Himachali. Only time will tell whether the Congress will be able to honour whatever it is promising.

Hey Rajeev
I also am in saadi dilli. Isn't Palampur also famous for its tea and
hang-gliding?

--- In Shimlahangout@y..., DIMITRY POPOV <ruskemp2000@y...> wrote:
>
> I am from Palampur the land of Capt.Vikram Batra and
> Capt. Somnath Sharma - 2 Paramveer Chakra warriors
> from one town. Conversely P-Pur is the only town to
> have produced 2 PC warriors ! No I am not a fauji. It
> is my only claim to valour :)
>
> I live in New Delhi most of the time however in Saket
> to be precise. That is when I am not travelling.
>
> Rajeev
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Its so delightful to read about snow in shimla.have fun people
whoever is there. u guys are damn lucky.
I can't speak pahari at all. I do understand certain dialects, but
can't speak. am ashamed for it folks.

I am from Palampur the land of Capt.Vikram Batra and
Capt. Somnath Sharma - 2 Paramveer Chakra warriors
from one town. Conversely P-Pur is the only town to
have produced 2 PC warriors ! No I am not a fauji. It
is my only claim to valour :)

I live in New Delhi most of the time however in Saket
to be precise. That is when I am not travelling.

Rajeev



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How many of you actually speak Pahari or your native language? My pahari off late has become a lot rusty.. Its embarrasing when you reply in Hindi when accosted in Pahari.. out of practise you know... my voacab is a mix of Bengali, Bhojpuri, Urdu, Punjabi, Marathi and Gujrati. Do you too face the language pangs?? I for one certainly do!

Nitin

Ps: It poured like hell in the morning rush-hour... Today I sounded like Nitin-Mukesh :))

It is damn funny, BTW where r u from........:o) (pun unintended)

--- In Shimlahangout@y..., DIMITRY POPOV <ruskemp2000@y...> wrote:
> How many I don't know but this  one wud probably pass
> for Distt Kangra and the same thing in Distt. Mandi
> wud be " Tusan kutiye de asan kutiye de......:) Not
> any better I am afraid as situations go :)Or is it
> Hamirpur
> Now I am confused.
>
>
>
>
> --- Shimlahangout@y... wrote:
> > ShimlaHangout: Catch up with friends!
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> >
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> >            From: "Rachna"
> > <rachna_kanwar2000@y...>
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:33:56 -0000
> >    From: "Rachna" <rachna_kanwar2000@y...>
> > Subject: heh heh
> >
> > Good one! Well, does anyone know how many dialects
> > do we have in
> > Himachal? And which one was this?
> > --- In Shimlahangout@y..., DIMITRY POPOV
> > <ruskemp2000@y...> wrote:
> > > Laga dholo re dhamaka
> > > Mara Himachal bara banka
> > >
> > > Ma'raaj bey aap to mahare Himachal
> > > ko bool hi gaye ma'raaj.
> > >
> > > As one Himachali said to another in Bombay
> > > "Tusan kutuye de asan kutuye de dono kutu-kutu
> > > milli gaye!!"
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Shimlahangout@y... wrote:
> > > > ShimlaHangout: Catch up with friends!
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> > > > Topics in this digest:
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> > > >       1. Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
> > > >            From: NITYIN <bnityin@y...>
> > > >       2. New Photos
> > > >            From: sarju5
> > > >       3. Hilarious one....mera bengal mahaan
> > > >            From: "Rachna"
> > > > <rachna_kanwar2000@y...>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > >    From: NITYIN <bnityin@y...>
> > > > Subject: Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are many amusing traits found among
> > Indians
> > > > from different parts of India.... here are a
> > few,
> > > > you may add more from your experiences...
> > > >
> > > > Tamils are always proud to be Tamizhs: pretty
> > > > courteous , that is [ thats what they think, at
> > > > least]. They speak Yenglish but no indi"
> > [hindi].
> > > >
> > > > The Tamils are very lucky to have "simble"
> > > > neighbours in the Keralites who are a "komblex"
> > race
> > > > of "peoblle".
> > > >
> > > > Very close are the telugu desam peopool who are
> > > > totally against flaunting their wealthu to the
> > > > worldu,and they occassionally come out withu
> > redu
> > > > shirtu and parrot greenu panatu with pleetsu !!
> > > > Worstu, no, but they are greatu in a lot of "u"
> > !!
> > > >
> > > > The kannadigas are thye coolest in the south but
> > if
> > > > there is a political unrest in Nauru or an
> > epidemic
> > > > in Sudan they will bash up the Tamils in
> > Bengluru.If
> > > > a fly sits on the nose of actor rajkumar, they
> > will
> > > > burn half Bengluru to kill the fly.therwise they
> > are
> > > > happy with the girlshu, lasht bussu, roadu,
> > > > cricketu, filamu... cool guys, uh!!
> > > >
> > > > Coming back up to Gujjubhais.. they like to keep
> > > > their "kes" in the "benk" and their favorite
> > pastime
> > > > is eating snakes in the snake bar.They really
> > are an
> > > > example of peace and brotherhood, calling
> > everyone
> > > > "bhai" or "bhen". Never mind the recent turmoil
> > in
> > > > Gujarat, that was not so "impotent" !!
> > > >
> > > > OK.. now its time for Eashht, and Bengalis....
> > they
> > > > are sure sweeter than their counterparts in
> > > > "Oodishaa" [Orissa] and more cordial.Bery Bery
> > nishe
> > > > peopool but bhery proud of Subas Chondro Boash
> > and
> > > > Shotyojeet Roy.Everyone is X-da but the same is
> > not
> > > > appled to the other sex !! Bhery good
> > arrangement.
> > > > Bot i mosht confesh, Rassogolla bhery good.
> > > >
> > > > Ahaa... now comes BIHAR.... Bihari kids are
> > supposed
> > > > to be the smartest kids in India { we sish they
> > grew
> > > > up the same way, though].Rural biharis are very
> > fond
> > > > of Lalloo, Rabri, Ranchi, Charra, Kaa issey
> > achaa
> > > > tumre pass aur kuch hai ?? Ackk thoo.. [spit
> > pan]
> > > > ***&&$$## .. Teri Bhe.. [unprintables]
> > > >
> > > > UP- ites and MP- ites are busy going to ischool
> > with
> > > > their ishtainless ishteel tiffin boxes and
> > istudying
> > > > to make lots of ishteel !
> > > >
> > > > Balle, Ballle--its time for the boisterous
> > > > Punjabis..they'r are sweet [??] and aggressive
> > and
> > > > offer roti shoti to all and sundry, friend or
> > foe.
> > > > Everyone is paape or kaakey and every song has
> > the
> > > > same tune and the same "soni kudi". But thats
> > Punjab
> > > > for you.Very consistent.
> > > >
> > > > And Kashmir...also Casmir or more appropriately
> > > > Cash-mir now, beacuse of the amount of cash
> > required
> > > > to keep it in India,is well....another story..
> > got
> > > > to stop now otherwise you guys are going to
> > delete
> > > > the mail..!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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How many I don't know but this  one wud probably pass
for Distt Kangra and the same thing in Distt. Mandi
wud be " Tusan kutiye de asan kutiye de......:) Not
any better I am afraid as situations go :)Or is it
Hamirpur
Now I am confused.




--- Shimlahangout@... wrote:
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>
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>            From: "Rachna"
> <rachna_kanwar2000@...>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:33:56 -0000
>    From: "Rachna" <rachna_kanwar2000@...>
> Subject: heh heh
>
> Good one! Well, does anyone know how many dialects
> do we have in
> Himachal? And which one was this?
> --- In Shimlahangout@y..., DIMITRY POPOV
> <ruskemp2000@y...> wrote:
> > Laga dholo re dhamaka
> > Mara Himachal bara banka
> >
> > Ma'raaj bey aap to mahare Himachal
> > ko bool hi gaye ma'raaj.
> >
> > As one Himachali said to another in Bombay
> > "Tusan kutuye de asan kutuye de dono kutu-kutu
> > milli gaye!!"
> >
> >
> > --- Shimlahangout@y... wrote:
> > > ShimlaHangout: Catch up with friends!
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shimlahangout
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> ----
> > >
> > > There are 3 messages in this issue.
> > >
> > > Topics in this digest:
> > >
> > >       1. Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
> > >            From: NITYIN <bnityin@y...>
> > >       2. New Photos
> > >            From: sarju5
> > >       3. Hilarious one....mera bengal mahaan
> > >            From: "Rachna"
> > > <rachna_kanwar2000@y...>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > >    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:40:32 -0800 (PST)
> > >    From: NITYIN <bnityin@y...>
> > > Subject: Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
> > >
> > >
> > > There are many amusing traits found among
> Indians
> > > from different parts of India.... here are a
> few,
> > > you may add more from your experiences...
> > >
> > > Tamils are always proud to be Tamizhs: pretty
> > > courteous , that is [ thats what they think, at
> > > least]. They speak Yenglish but no indi"
> [hindi].
> > >
> > > The Tamils are very lucky to have "simble"
> > > neighbours in the Keralites who are a "komblex"
> race
> > > of "peoblle".
> > >
> > > Very close are the telugu desam peopool who are
> > > totally against flaunting their wealthu to the
> > > worldu,and they occassionally come out withu
> redu
> > > shirtu and parrot greenu panatu with pleetsu !!
> > > Worstu, no, but they are greatu in a lot of "u"
> !!
> > >
> > > The kannadigas are thye coolest in the south but
> if
> > > there is a political unrest in Nauru or an
> epidemic
> > > in Sudan they will bash up the Tamils in
> Bengluru.If
> > > a fly sits on the nose of actor rajkumar, they
> will
> > > burn half Bengluru to kill the fly.therwise they
> are
> > > happy with the girlshu, lasht bussu, roadu,
> > > cricketu, filamu... cool guys, uh!!
> > >
> > > Coming back up to Gujjubhais.. they like to keep
> > > their "kes" in the "benk" and their favorite
> pastime
> > > is eating snakes in the snake bar.They really
> are an
> > > example of peace and brotherhood, calling
> everyone
> > > "bhai" or "bhen". Never mind the recent turmoil
> in
> > > Gujarat, that was not so "impotent" !!
> > >
> > > OK.. now its time for Eashht, and Bengalis....
> they
> > > are sure sweeter than their counterparts in
> > > "Oodishaa" [Orissa] and more cordial.Bery Bery
> nishe
> > > peopool but bhery proud of Subas Chondro Boash
> and
> > > Shotyojeet Roy.Everyone is X-da but the same is
> not
> > > appled to the other sex !! Bhery good
> arrangement.
> > > Bot i mosht confesh, Rassogolla bhery good.
> > >
> > > Ahaa... now comes BIHAR.... Bihari kids are
> supposed
> > > to be the smartest kids in India { we sish they
> grew
> > > up the same way, though].Rural biharis are very
> fond
> > > of Lalloo, Rabri, Ranchi, Charra, Kaa issey
> achaa
> > > tumre pass aur kuch hai ?? Ackk thoo.. [spit
> pan]
> > > ***&&$$## .. Teri Bhe.. [unprintables]
> > >
> > > UP- ites and MP- ites are busy going to ischool
> with
> > > their ishtainless ishteel tiffin boxes and
> istudying
> > > to make lots of ishteel !
> > >
> > > Balle, Ballle--its time for the boisterous
> > > Punjabis..they'r are sweet [??] and aggressive
> and
> > > offer roti shoti to all and sundry, friend or
> foe.
> > > Everyone is paape or kaakey and every song has
> the
> > > same tune and the same "soni kudi". But thats
> Punjab
> > > for you.Very consistent.
> > >
> > > And Kashmir...also Casmir or more appropriately
> > > Cash-mir now, beacuse of the amount of cash
> required
> > > to keep it in India,is well....another story..
> got
> > > to stop now otherwise you guys are going to
> delete
> > > the mail..!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's
> Day
> > >
> > > [This message contained attachments]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Linguistically the state has different, distinctive features and there are as many dialects as there were princely states. Every ten to twelve miles the dialect changes and yet there is enough uniformity to bind them all under the head of western Pahari, which is different from, the eastern Pahari of Nepal and the central Pahari og Garhwal and Kumaon.

The various dialects of Pahari spoken in region are 'Mandiali' in Mandi, 'Kulvi' in Kullu, 'Kehluri' in Bilaspur, 'Hinduri' in Nalagarh, 'Chameali' in Chamba, 'Sirmauri' in Sirmour, 'Miahasvi' in Mahasu region and 'Pangwali' in Pangi. Besides, there are the dialects of Bhot origin, the Kinnauri, the Lahaulu and the Spitian. All dialects of Pahari are of Sanskritic origin. They have been written differently in different times. In earlier days they were written in 'Tankri' or Thakari, but later during the Muslim period they were written in the Persian script. Still later they come to be written in 'Devanagri'.

Still, the dominant local language is Pahari, a Hindi dialect derived from Sanskrit and Prakrit. Hindi is medium of instruction in schools and is widely spoken. Because of the tribes - each with its own language and dialect - Himachal boasts of more than 60 dialects. 

Source 

Good one! Well, does anyone know how many dialects do we have in
Himachal? And which one was this?
--- In Shimlahangout@y..., DIMITRY POPOV <ruskemp2000@y...> wrote:
> Laga dholo re dhamaka
> Mara Himachal bara banka
>
> Ma'raaj bey aap to mahare Himachal
> ko bool hi gaye ma'raaj.
>
> As one Himachali said to another in Bombay
> "Tusan kutuye de asan kutuye de dono kutu-kutu
> milli gaye!!"
>
>
> --- Shimlahangout@y... wrote:
> > ShimlaHangout: Catch up with friends!
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shimlahangout
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> >
> > There are 3 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> >       1. Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
> >            From: NITYIN <bnityin@y...>
> >       2. New Photos
> >            From: sarju5
> >       3. Hilarious one....mera bengal mahaan
> >            From: "Rachna"
> > <rachna_kanwar2000@y...>
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:40:32 -0800 (PST)
> >    From: NITYIN <bnityin@y...>
> > Subject: Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
> >
> >
> > There are many amusing traits found among Indians
> > from different parts of India.... here are a few,
> > you may add more from your experiences...
> >
> > Tamils are always proud to be Tamizhs: pretty
> > courteous , that is [ thats what they think, at
> > least]. They speak Yenglish but no indi" [hindi].
> >
> > The Tamils are very lucky to have "simble"
> > neighbours in the Keralites who are a "komblex" race
> > of "peoblle".
> >
> > Very close are the telugu desam peopool who are
> > totally against flaunting their wealthu to the
> > worldu,and they occassionally come out withu redu
> > shirtu and parrot greenu panatu with pleetsu !!
> > Worstu, no, but they are greatu in a lot of "u" !!
> >
> > The kannadigas are thye coolest in the south but if
> > there is a political unrest in Nauru or an epidemic
> > in Sudan they will bash up the Tamils in Bengluru.If
> > a fly sits on the nose of actor rajkumar, they will
> > burn half Bengluru to kill the fly.therwise they are
> > happy with the girlshu, lasht bussu, roadu,
> > cricketu, filamu... cool guys, uh!!
> >
> > Coming back up to Gujjubhais.. they like to keep
> > their "kes" in the "benk" and their favorite pastime
> > is eating snakes in the snake bar.They really are an
> > example of peace and brotherhood, calling everyone
> > "bhai" or "bhen". Never mind the recent turmoil in
> > Gujarat, that was not so "impotent" !!
> >
> > OK.. now its time for Eashht, and Bengalis.... they
> > are sure sweeter than their counterparts in
> > "Oodishaa" [Orissa] and more cordial.Bery Bery nishe
> > peopool but bhery proud of Subas Chondro Boash and
> > Shotyojeet Roy.Everyone is X-da but the same is not
> > appled to the other sex !! Bhery good arrangement.
> > Bot i mosht confesh, Rassogolla bhery good.
> >
> > Ahaa... now comes BIHAR.... Bihari kids are supposed
> > to be the smartest kids in India { we sish they grew
> > up the same way, though].Rural biharis are very fond
> > of Lalloo, Rabri, Ranchi, Charra, Kaa issey achaa
> > tumre pass aur kuch hai ?? Ackk thoo.. [spit pan]
> > ***&&$$## .. Teri Bhe.. [unprintables]
> >
> > UP- ites and MP- ites are busy going to ischool with
> > their ishtainless ishteel tiffin boxes and istudying
> > to make lots of ishteel !
> >
> > Balle, Ballle--its time for the boisterous
> > Punjabis..they'r are sweet [??] and aggressive and
> > offer roti shoti to all and sundry, friend or foe.
> > Everyone is paape or kaakey and every song has the
> > same tune and the same "soni kudi". But thats Punjab
> > for you.Very consistent.
> >
> > And Kashmir...also Casmir or more appropriately
> > Cash-mir now, beacuse of the amount of cash required
> > to keep it in India,is well....another story.. got
> > to stop now otherwise you guys are going to delete
> > the mail..!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
> >
> > [This message contained attachments]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
> > Message: 2
> >    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:24:46 -0000
> >    From: sarju5
> > Subject: New Photos
> >
> > Never seen the club so quiet ..... whats up ppl ....
> > I guess
> > everybody is busy in the work .... anyways I took
> > some photos with my
> > new poor resolution digital camera yesterday ....
> > and I have posted
> > them at .... (folder name is From Home to Deptt.)
> >
> > http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/sarju5
> >
> > all these photos depict what an average day is like
> > for me in Canada,
> > I am really getting the hold of skating now ... well
> > I skate everyday
> > for 12 km ... (going and coming back)....
> >
> > all of these photos I took on feb 12 while going
> > from home to univ
> > and I took few more while coming back in the night.
> > the day was very windy with following stats at the
> > time when I took
> > the photos
> >
> > Date and time : 12 Feb. 2003 	 14:00 EST     Mainly
> > Sunny
> > Temp. (°C) - 15
> > Humidity (%) 47
> > DewPoint(°C) - 24
> > Wind (km/h) WNW 30 gusting to 48
> > Pressure (kPa) 100.7
> > Visibility (km) 32
> > WindChill       -26
> >
> > next time I plan to take photos of my friends over
> > here and post them
> > on the net ....
> > till than enjoy and keep smilin ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
__
> >
>
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__
> >
> > Message: 3
> >    Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:44:25 -0000
> >    From: "Rachna" <rachna_kanwar2000@y...>
> > Subject: Hilarious one....mera bengal mahaan
> >
> > VALENTINE DAY - THE BENGALI WAY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi samudra ami aranya, tumi Amit ami
> > Labonya;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi bhugal ami itihaash, tumi Paro ami
> > Debdash;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi Closeup ami Colgate, tumi Romeo ami
> > > > > Juliette;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi Makaibari ami Wah Taj,tumi Shajahan
> > ami
> > > > > > Mumtaz;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi Thuja ami Arnica, tumi Clinton ami
> > Monica;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi chiruni ami ayna, tumi Dodi ami Diana;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi bulbul ami tota, tumi Jyoti ami
> > Mamata;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi dherosh ami alu, tumi Rabri ami Lallu;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi ucche ami potol, tumi Sonya ami Atal;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi chips ami popcorn, tumi Phulan ami
> > Birappan;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi jilipi ami chumchum, tumi Suchitra ami
> > > > > Uttam:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi hajmi ami toffee, tumi Boris ami
> > Steffi;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tumi khyal ami gazal, tumi Shahrukh ami
> > Kajol;
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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Laga dholo re dhamaka
Mara Himachal bara banka

Ma'raaj bey aap to mahare Himachal
ko bool hi gaye ma'raaj.

As one Himachali said to another in Bombay
"Tusan kutuye de asan kutuye de dono kutu-kutu
milli gaye!!"


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> ShimlaHangout: Catch up with friends!
>
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>
>
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>
> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
>            From: NITYIN <bnityin@...>
>       2. New Photos
>            From: sarju5
>       3. Hilarious one....mera bengal mahaan
>            From: "Rachna"
> <rachna_kanwar2000@...>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:40:32 -0800 (PST)
>    From: NITYIN <bnityin@...>
> Subject: Mera Bharat Mahaan !!
>
>
> There are many amusing traits found among Indians
> from different parts of India.... here are a few,
> you may add more from your experiences...
>
> Tamils are always proud to be Tamizhs: pretty
> courteous , that is [ thats what they think, at
> least]. They speak Yenglish but no indi" [hindi].
>
> The Tamils are very lucky to have "simble"
> neighbours in the Keralites who are a "komblex" race
> of "peoblle".
>
> Very close are the telugu desam peopool who are
> totally against flaunting their wealthu to the
> worldu,and they occassionally come out withu redu
> shirtu and parrot greenu panatu with pleetsu !!
> Worstu, no, but they are greatu in a lot of "u" !!
>
> The kannadigas are thye coolest in the south but if
> there is a political unrest in Nauru or an epidemic
> in Sudan they will bash up the Tamils in Bengluru.If
> a fly sits on the nose of actor rajkumar, they will
> burn half Bengluru to kill the fly.therwise they are
> happy with the girlshu, lasht bussu, roadu,
> cricketu, filamu... cool guys, uh!!
>
> Coming back up to Gujjubhais.. they like to keep
> their "kes" in the "benk" and their favorite pastime
> is eating snakes in the snake bar.They really are an
> example of peace and brotherhood, calling everyone
> "bhai" or "bhen". Never mind the recent turmoil in
> Gujarat, that was not so "impotent" !!
>
> OK.. now its time for Eashht, and Bengalis.... they
> are sure sweeter than their counterparts in
> "Oodishaa" [Orissa] and more cordial.Bery Bery nishe
> peopool but bhery proud of Subas Chondro Boash and
> Shotyojeet Roy.Everyone is X-da but the same is not
> appled to the other sex !! Bhery good arrangement.
> Bot i mosht confesh, Rassogolla bhery good.
>
> Ahaa... now comes BIHAR.... Bihari kids are supposed
> to be the smartest kids in India { we sish they grew
> up the same way, though].Rural biharis are very fond
> of Lalloo, Rabri, Ranchi, Charra, Kaa issey achaa
> tumre pass aur kuch hai ?? Ackk thoo.. [spit pan]
> ***&&$$## .. Teri Bhe.. [unprintables]
>
> UP- ites and MP- ites are busy going to ischool with
> their ishtainless ishteel tiffin boxes and istudying
> to make lots of ishteel !
>
> Balle, Ballle--its time for the boisterous
> Punjabis..they'r are sweet [??] and aggressive and
> offer roti shoti to all and sundry, friend or foe.
> Everyone is paape or kaakey and every song has the
> same tune and the same "soni kudi". But thats Punjab
> for you.Very consistent.
>
> And Kashmir...also Casmir or more appropriately
> Cash-mir now, beacuse of the amount of cash required
> to keep it in India,is well....another story.. got
> to stop now otherwise you guys are going to delete
> the mail..!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:24:46 -0000
>    From: sarju5
> Subject: New Photos
>
> Never seen the club so quiet ..... whats up ppl ....
> I guess
> everybody is busy in the work .... anyways I took
> some photos with my
> new poor resolution digital camera yesterday ....
> and I have posted
> them at .... (folder name is From Home to Deptt.)
>
> http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/sarju5
>
> all these photos depict what an average day is like
> for me in Canada,
> I am really getting the hold of skating now ... well
> I skate everyday
> for 12 km ... (going and coming back)....
>
> all of these photos I took on feb 12 while going
> from home to univ
> and I took few more while coming back in the night.
> the day was very windy with following stats at the
> time when I took
> the photos
>
> Date and time : 12 Feb. 2003 	 14:00 EST     Mainly
> Sunny
> Temp. (°C) - 15
> Humidity (%) 47
> DewPoint(°C) - 24
> Wind (km/h) WNW 30 gusting to 48
> Pressure (kPa) 100.7
> Visibility (km) 32
> WindChill       -26
>
> next time I plan to take photos of my friends over
> here and post them
> on the net ....
> till than enjoy and keep smilin ..
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:44:25 -0000
>    From: "Rachna" <rachna_kanwar2000@...>
> Subject: Hilarious one....mera bengal mahaan
>
> VALENTINE DAY - THE BENGALI WAY
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi samudra ami aranya, tumi Amit ami
> Labonya;
> > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi bhugal ami itihaash, tumi Paro ami
> Debdash;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi Closeup ami Colgate, tumi Romeo ami
> > > > Juliette;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi Makaibari ami Wah Taj,tumi Shajahan
> ami
> > > > > Mumtaz;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi Thuja ami Arnica, tumi Clinton ami
> Monica;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi chiruni ami ayna, tumi Dodi ami Diana;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi bulbul ami tota, tumi Jyoti ami
> Mamata;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi dherosh ami alu, tumi Rabri ami Lallu;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi ucche ami potol, tumi Sonya ami Atal;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi chips ami popcorn, tumi Phulan ami
> Birappan;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi jilipi ami chumchum, tumi Suchitra ami
> > > > Uttam:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi hajmi ami toffee, tumi Boris ami
> Steffi;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tumi khyal ami gazal, tumi Shahrukh ami
> Kajol;
>
=== message truncated ===


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VALENTINE DAY - THE BENGALI WAY
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi samudra ami aranya, tumi Amit ami Labonya;
> > > >
> > > > >Tumi bhugal ami itihaash, tumi Paro ami Debdash;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Closeup ami Colgate, tumi Romeo ami
> > > Juliette;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Makaibari ami Wah Taj,tumi Shajahan ami
> > > > Mumtaz;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Thuja ami Arnica, tumi Clinton ami Monica;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi chiruni ami ayna, tumi Dodi ami Diana;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi bulbul ami tota, tumi Jyoti ami Mamata;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi dherosh ami alu, tumi Rabri ami Lallu;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi ucche ami potol, tumi Sonya ami Atal;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi chips ami popcorn, tumi Phulan ami Birappan;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi jilipi ami chumchum, tumi Suchitra ami
> > > Uttam:
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi hajmi ami toffee, tumi Boris ami Steffi;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi khyal ami gazal, tumi Shahrukh ami Kajol;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi CBI ami greftaar, tumi Sangeeta ami Azar;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi santro ami ciello, tumi Desdemona ami
> > > Othello;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi mach ami mangsho, tumi srishti ami dhangsho:
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Ajit ami Mona, tumi Sourav ami Donna;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi elish ami parshe, tumi Pheluda ami Topse;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi dhakna ami shishi, tumi Katthak ami Orissi;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Sholay ami Bazigar, tumi Minar ami
> > > Chabighar:
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi boma ami grenade, tumi Mahakaran ami
> > > Brigade;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Only Vimal ami DCM, tumi Congress ami CPM:;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi Raju ami Gopal, tumi Bharat ami Nepal;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi galpa ami kobita, tumi Aishwariya ami
> > > Susmita;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi OK ami fine, tumi aniyam ami ayeen;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi bangla ami hindi, tumi tip ami bindi;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi uttejona ami kolahol, tumi cricket ami
> > > > football;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi jhamela ami gandagol, tumi Pk ami Amol;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi gur ami chini, tumi hulo ami mini;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi gaja ami khaja, tumi Rani ami Raja:
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi botua ami pouch, tumi oof ami ouch;
> > > > >
> > > > >Tumi babbah ami mago, tumi hyago ami ogo; Tumi
> > > > superb ami sorry, tumi lekho
> > > > >ami pori.
> > > > >
> > > > >musically yours,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Department of Physics University of Tulsa Tulsa,
> > > OK

--- In Shimlahangout@y..., NITYIN <bnityin@y...> wrote:
>
> There are many amusing traits found among Indians from different
parts of India.... here are a few, you may add more from your
experiences...
>
> Tamils are always proud to be Tamizhs: pretty courteous , that is [
thats what they think, at least]. They speak Yenglish but no indi"
[hindi].
>
> The Tamils are very lucky to have "simble" neighbours in the
Keralites who are a "komblex" race of "peoblle".
>
> Very close are the telugu desam peopool who are totally against
flaunting their wealthu to the worldu,and they occassionally come out
withu redu shirtu and parrot greenu panatu with pleetsu !! Worstu,
no, but they are greatu in a lot of "u" !!
>
> The kannadigas are thye coolest in the south but if there is a
political unrest in Nauru or an epidemic in Sudan they will bash up
the Tamils in Bengluru.If a fly sits on the nose of actor rajkumar,
they will burn half Bengluru to kill the fly.therwise they are happy
with the girlshu, lasht bussu, roadu, cricketu, filamu... cool guys,
uh!!
>
> Coming back up to Gujjubhais.. they like to keep their "kes" in
the "benk" and their favorite pastime is eating snakes in the snake
bar.They really are an example of peace and brotherhood, calling
everyone "bhai" or "bhen". Never mind the recent turmoil in Gujarat,
that was not so "impotent" !!
>
> OK.. now its time for Eashht, and Bengalis.... they are sure
sweeter than their counterparts in "Oodishaa" [Orissa] and more
cordial.Bery Bery nishe peopool but bhery proud of Subas Chondro
Boash and Shotyojeet Roy.Everyone is X-da but the same is not appled
to the other sex !! Bhery good arrangement.
> Bot i mosht confesh, Rassogolla bhery good.
>
> Ahaa... now comes BIHAR.... Bihari kids are supposed to be the
smartest kids in India { we sish they grew up the same way,
though].Rural biharis are very fond of Lalloo, Rabri, Ranchi, Charra,
Kaa issey achaa tumre pass aur kuch hai ?? Ackk thoo.. [spit pan]
***&&$$## .. Teri Bhe.. [unprintables]
>
> UP- ites and MP- ites are busy going to ischool with their
ishtainless ishteel tiffin boxes and istudying to make lots of
ishteel !
>
> Balle, Ballle--its time for the boisterous Punjabis..they'r are
sweet [??] and aggressive and offer roti shoti to all and sundry,
friend or foe. Everyone is paape or kaakey and every song has the
same tune and the same "soni kudi". But thats Punjab for you.Very
consistent.
>
> And Kashmir...also Casmir or more appropriately Cash-mir now,
beacuse of the amount of cash required to keep it in India,is
well....another story.. got to stop now otherwise you guys are going
to delete the mail..!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

Never seen the club so quiet ..... whats up ppl .... I guess
everybody is busy in the work .... anyways I took some photos with my
new poor resolution digital camera yesterday .... and I have posted
them at .... (folder name is From Home to Deptt.)

http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/sarju5

all these photos depict what an average day is like for me in Canada,
I am really getting the hold of skating now ... well I skate everyday
for 12 km ... (going and coming back)....

all of these photos I took on feb 12 while going from home to univ
and I took few more while coming back in the night.
the day was very windy with following stats at the time when I took
the photos

Date and time : 12 Feb. 2003 	 14:00 EST     Mainly Sunny
Temp. (°C) - 15
Humidity (%) 47
DewPoint(°C) - 24
Wind (km/h) WNW 30 gusting to 48
Pressure (kPa) 100.7
Visibility (km) 32
WindChill       -26

next time I plan to take photos of my friends over here and post them
on the net ....
till than enjoy and keep smilin ..

There are many amusing traits found among Indians from different parts of India.... here are a few, you may add more from your experiences...

Tamils are always proud to be Tamizhs: pretty courteous , that is [ thats what they think, at least]. They speak Yenglish but no indi" [hindi].

The Tamils are very lucky to have "simble" neighbours in the Keralites who are a "komblex" race of "peoblle".

Very close are the telugu desam peopool who are totally against flaunting their wealthu to the worldu,and they occassionally come out withu redu shirtu and parrot greenu panatu with pleetsu !! Worstu, no, but they are greatu in a lot of "u" !!

The kannadigas are thye coolest in the south but if there is a political unrest in Nauru or an epidemic in Sudan they will bash up the Tamils in Bengluru.If a fly sits on the nose of actor rajkumar, they will burn half Bengluru to kill the fly.therwise they are happy with the girlshu, lasht bussu, roadu, cricketu, filamu... cool guys, uh!!

Coming back up to Gujjubhais.. they like to keep their "kes" in the "benk" and their favorite pastime is eating snakes in the snake bar.They really are an example of peace and brotherhood, calling everyone "bhai" or "bhen". Never mind the recent turmoil in Gujarat, that was not so "impotent" !!

OK.. now its time for Eashht, and Bengalis.... they are sure sweeter than their counterparts in "Oodishaa" [Orissa] and more cordial.Bery Bery nishe peopool but bhery proud of Subas Chondro Boash and Shotyojeet Roy.Everyone is X-da but the same is not appled to the other sex !! Bhery good arrangement.
Bot i mosht confesh, Rassogolla bhery good.

Ahaa... now comes BIHAR.... Bihari kids are supposed to be the smartest kids in India { we sish they grew up the same way, though].Rural biharis are very fond of Lalloo, Rabri, Ranchi, Charra, Kaa issey achaa tumre pass aur kuch hai ?? Ackk thoo.. [spit pan] ***&&$$## .. Teri Bhe.. [unprintables]

UP- ites and MP- ites are busy going to ischool with their ishtainless ishteel tiffin boxes and istudying to make lots of ishteel !

Balle, Ballle--its time for the boisterous Punjabis..they'r are sweet [??] and aggressive and offer roti shoti to all and sundry, friend or foe. Everyone is paape or kaakey and every song has the same tune and the same "soni kudi". But thats Punjab for you.Very consistent.

And Kashmir...also Casmir or more appropriately Cash-mir now, beacuse of the amount of cash required to keep it in India,is well....another story.. got to stop now otherwise you guys are going to delete the mail..!!

Einstein¡¦s Light Energy-Mass equation (L = c2ƒ´m) contradicts the law
of conservation of matter and energy, and alternate equation ƒ´E = Ac2
ƒ´M.


    Ajay Sharma
      Community Science Centre.  Directorate of Education. Post Box
107. Shimla.  171001.
                                     Web Link    www.ScienceSky.com

For complete paper   Email  ajay2244@...

         Abstract
Einstein derived (in Sep 1905 paper), an equation between light
energy (L) emitted and decrease in mass (m) of body i.e. ƒ´m = L/c2
(which is speculative origin of E = c2ƒ´m) completely disregarding
other possibilities from the derivation. It theorizes when light
energy (L) is emanated from luminous body, then mass of body
decreases. In blatant way the same mathematical derivation (under
logical conditions), contradicts the law of conservation of matter
and energy but these are unnoticed yet. For example, it is equally
feasible ( AS PREDICTION OF POSITRON FROM DIRAC,S EQUATION) from the
same mathematical derivation that the mass of source must also
INCREASE or remain the SAME when it emits light energy. It clearly
implies that mass of body inherently increases when energy is emitted
or energy is emitted from body without change in mass. Then Einstein
speculated general Mass Energy Equivalence ƒ´E = c2ƒ´M from it without
mathematical proof. All these aspects are logically discussed here
thus Einstein¡¦s unfinished task has been completed here.  Further an
alternate equation i.e. ƒ´E = Ac2 ƒ´M, has been purposely derived, in
entirely different and flawless way taking in account the existing
theoretical concepts and experimental results. The new equation
implies that energy emitted on annihilation of mass (or vice versa)
can be equal, less and more than predicted by Einstein¡¦s equation.
Quasars emit energy of the 4„e1041Js-1 in extremely small region. This
energy can be explained by ƒ´E = Ac2 ƒ´M, with very high values of A
i.e. 1010. ƒ´E = Ac2 ƒ´M, explained the Big Bang ( origin of universe)
that mass of universe 1055kg was created from energy 10-22 J with
value if A 1.11„e1094 , whereas E = ƒ´mc2 predicts the mass of universe
1055kg  was originated from energy  9„e1071 J.  Einstein¡¦s ƒ´E = c2ƒ´M
is not confirmed in chemical reactions, but regarded as true.  If one
gram of wood or paper or petrol is burnt under controlled conditions,
and just 10-9 kg is converted into energy then energy (9„e107 J is
equal to 2.15„e104 kcal) emitted can a body of mass 1kg to a distance
of 9„e107 m 9„e104 km or heat water equal to 2.15„e104 kg through 1 oC.
If energy released in chemical reaction (at any stage) is found less
than Einstein¡¦s equation ƒ´E = c2ƒ´M, then value of A less than one in ƒ´
E = Ac2ƒ´M will be confirmed.

Hibernating I guess :( Its almost spring now..........

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hi all

here is the link for online telephone directory for Himachal. it's a really good site with some limitations and mistakes. hope everyone will like it.

http://himachal.nic.in/links.htm

rohit

I've been wondering rather than coming in at such high velocity that involves such high risks, is it not possible to come up with a method that permits a smoother, slower , gradual descent of the space shuttle by orbiting / circling the globe at a small descent angle. Agreed it would need more time for landing, but who is in a hurry???

Ashay / Suku others from the eng. fraternity... any thoughts on this!

Sanjay, check out Himachal page at

Amarujala

Dainik Jagran

The Tribune

Loads n loads of Himachal poll news coverage

Nitin

Any election news from himachal.
This is a jurnalist's plea... plea... please.


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So sorry can't make it out regularly these days... Am busy at work
like hell.. The dreaded March is approaching.

Suku is off to HP for a couple of days.. and no news from Sarju and
Varun for a long time.. Guys I am suffering from Hangout burn out :)
after all those fiery discussions with Suku.. Guess I'll lie die down
for a couple of days and join the silent majority of reading members..

Peace
Nitin


> Hello!!! Where's everyone gone? Nitin, Sarju, Suku, Varun ........

Hello!!! Where's everyone gone? Nitin, Sarju, Suku, Varun ........

Shocking and painful indeed!
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1. all of ur mails can be and are being read by hotmail !!!

2. what ever u send by hotmail ..message , program ...etc becomes property of hotmail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. so that tommrrow u send new sowftware ,that u have developed, to someone thru hotmail ..then hotmail has every damn right to market it from the very same day and it need no permission from u ..

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On February 1, just 16 minutes before the Columbia Space Shuttle was to make its scheduled touchdown at the end of its 28^th mission, it exploded over Texas, at a height of 200,000 feet.

Lost in that explosion were seven lives, including that of Kalpana Chawla, 41 -- a horrific end to a life that had had its genesis in horror of a quite different kind.

It was sultry, and dark, on an August evening in 1947 when Banarsi Lal Chawla, then 14, lay on a railway track, thirsty, hungry, unconscious, and bleeding.

Around him, open coal wagons echoed with the cries of children, most of whom were living the final hours of their lives.

Chawla remembers that day in August 1947, when a fifth of the world's population was convulsed by Partition and forced to flee their homes.

"People were packed into the open wagons from 8am like potatoes. Hardly had it moved a few kilometres than the train was stopped at Shahdra, on the outskirts of Lahore. While my family, including my mother, was sitting inside the wagon, I had to be content with a perch on top of a joint between two wagons. That is where I got a place."

As the warm morning made way for a blistering hot noon and faded to evening, people began a desperate search for water. Food, by then, was a luxury not even thought of. Chawla joined hundreds of other men, women and children lining up to sip the dirty water that had filled the pits near the track -- water from the rains the day before.

He then returned to his perch, and that is all he recalls. Around 10pm, his uncle found Chawla unconscious, precariously close to the wagon wheel -- he had fallen off his perch in his stupor.

His uncle took him to yet another pit, gave him more dirty water to drink, and washed the deep gash in the same water. Chawla returned to his perch, his feet dangling down the side of the wagon's cabled joint, and continued his vigil along with several hundred others.

As night progressed, a mob that had gathered began firing, with the intent of avenging itself for the killing of Muslims in India. One bullet whistled past Chawla, brushing his ears. That hiss, of death passing within inches, remains a landmark sound among the many that comprise the noisy, eventful, maverick life that Chawla went on to lead.

He was 14 then -- and it was not even his first brush with death.

A few days earlier, as news of the massacres of Hindus in Pakistani villages began pouring in, Chawla, his mother, two brothers, and a sister had moved to Choorkana Mandi from their village Shehupura. With his father away in Bikaner on work, it was left to Chawla to lead the family's exodus from their ancestral village.

Despite moving to the safety of his uncle's house in Choorkana Mandi, Chawla couldn't get over the thought of his cattle, which were left unattended in the village. So he coerced his uncle to accompany him to their village to rescue the cattle. En route, an acquaintance met them and warned of mass killings, and pleaded with them to go back.

Chawla's uncle sent the boy back and went forward on his own. He never returned.

"I was saved because I returned to town," Chawla recalls, with little show of visible emotion as he talks of a past that changed his life forever. Chawla's exodus from the dusty outskirts of Lahore into northern India where he rebuilt his life was to peak when his daughter Kalpana became an astronaut.

Chawla saw Kalpana's achievement as vindication, as the final sign that the wounds of Partition had healed.

Kalpana's story is incomplete without the story of her parents, especially that of Banarasi Lal Chawla, who landed in the wilderness of Karnal a few days after August 15.

Chawla's father had been awaiting his family for days at the Amritsar railway station. It was a hopeless wait, since a group of refugees from Lahore had told him that his children and brother had been killed. Later, he was told they were alive -- and he did not know what to believe.

On August 18, at about 2am, when the open coal wagons sidled into Amritsar carrying hundreds of refugees, many of them dead, Chawla was into his sixth day of waiting. The family, now reunited, took a train leaving for Delhi, then the ultimate destination for the millions of refugees fleeing Pakistan.

The Chawlas -- the extended family at this point numbered 20 -- did not go all the way, but preferred to hop off at Karnal in Haryana, some 130 kilometres from Old Delhi.

The family moved into the first available vacant building: a mosque approximately 15x18 feet, with no doors and just a dirty well in one corner. Chawla and his father set out to seek food.

Chawla recalls cleaning up the 60-foot well and searching for a job, while his father teamed up with a relative and set up a small shop. However, the strain told on the elder Chawla, who fell ill a few months after the family settled down in Karnal.

For Chawla junior, that was when life began in earnest.

He remembers his first job, as an attendant in a shop that sold chutney and such. "I was to carry the big chutney containers from the rear of the shop to the front when customers required it. On my first day on the job, a big jar fell from my hand and broke. I was fired."

When he talks of those days, he is emotionless -- it is almost as if, having seen it all, having endured it all, he can no longer be roused by mere memories.

His next job was as an assistant in what was then Karnal's only automobile workshop (the town, in fact, had only a couple of motor vehicles), on a lordly salary of Rs 10 a month.

He worked eight months without receiving a naya paisa. On the eve of Diwali, Chawla asked his employer for his salary. He remembers the disdain on the face of the man as he thrust a Rs 5 note into his hand. "I didn't take the money. I ran away crying," Chawla recalls.

Amidst such gratuitous cruelty came brief moments of respite -- a colleague in the garage, for instance, gave him Rs 5 to buy new clothes.

Chawla's restless mind hit upon an idea: to manufacture small and cheap metal boxes for storage. He started making three to four boxes each day, an endeavour that fetched him around 10 annas.

After some months, he gave up box-making and started selling soap. "I carried them on my head, and went around the locality, " Chawla recalls. But when that too failed to click, he shifted to selling groundnuts and, later, dates.

He wouldn't give up -- that was not in his nature. Chawla moved on to selling toffee at Karnal station, his customers the refugees who continued to pour in from across the border.

It was then that he finally found his niche -- Chawla went back to making boxes, this time for the hordes of refugees who had thronged Karnal with nothing to store the rations the government was distributing. He began selling five to 10 boxes a day, and the business boomed as shops too began demanding his wares.

Shortly thereafter, he married Sanjogta Kharbanda, the educated daughter of a doctor who, too, had fled the horrors of Partition. As the business prospered, the family expanded -- daughters Sunita and Deepa came first, then son Sanjay, then the baby of the family, Kalpana, in 1961.

Sunita remembers the box-manufacturing shop. "The shop was there till I was in class 8," Sunita, who went on to secure a master's degree from Punjab University with a gold medal, recalls.

Chawla tried his hand at running a textile shop in partnership, but that did not last long. The experience, however, helped him set up an exclusive showroom of Binny Textiles, which dominated India's retail textile market before Dhirubhai Ambani came on the scene with Reliance.

The Binny's showroom was a major success, and Chawla admits earning "much beyond my expectations". It was during this period that Chawla bought a secondhand scooter for himself -- a rarity in Karnal.

A tyre burst, one day -- and again, the seemingly innocuous incident was to prove a turning point in the saga of the Chawlas.

"I went to Punjab for a new tyre. But they said it was not available," Chawla recalls. He asked his younger brother, who was staying in Delhi, to get him one, but failed again. Finally, Chawla went to Delhi and began scouting the capital's markets for a new scooter tyre.

Near Gurdwara Rakabganj, Chawla finally found someone who could get him a new tyre, but on two conditions: he had to deposit the amount in advance, and wait for a few days. It was weeks before Chawla finally managed to procure the tyre he needed.

Most people, in such situations, would have fumed. Chawla, tempered by his trials, pondered the shortage of tyres in Indian markets, then dominated by foreign brands such as Goodyear and Dunlop.

"Immediately after returning to Karnal, I advertised for people with the technical knowhow of tyre manufacturing." Many applied, fully as many scoffed at his idea of setting up a tyre-manufacturing plant with self-designed machinery and told him only international companies could do it.

Chawla, however, found two young engineers willing to buy into his quixotic idea -- and that was the genesis of Super Tyres.

The new factory was located a few kilometres from Karnal, on the road to Delhi. "After about one and a half years, when the machines were being assembled, both the engineers left the job."

By then, Chawla had sunk all his money into the project, his children were growing up, and he was out of funds.

His younger brother came visiting from Delhi. "Your ship is sinking," the brother said. "When the ship sinks, the captain also goes with it," Chawla responded.

The younger brother returned, in tears, to Delhi -- then called his brother and told him to go ahead and not worry about the money. With his brother's support and his family's backing, Chawla pushed ahead. He hired new engineers, continued designing machinery, and refused to give up when the early prototypes failed.

Finally, in 1969, Chawla's machines began functioning.

Chawla believes his was the first company in Asia that produced tyres with "indigenous technology". Whatever the merit of that belief, Super Tyres began cutting into the market share of the majors.

Meanwhile, his children were growing up, and proving to be intelligent. In fact, Chawla saw nothing special about Kalpana, in that respect -- eldest daughter Sunita is a gold medallist from Punjab University.

Chawla by then was leading a hectic life, travelling extensively within India and outside, visiting his offices around India and attending tyre exhibitions in Europe and the US.

Son Sanjay joined the Karnal flying school, and Kalpana, engineering classes. Ironically, by then Chawla was so busy he was unaware his youngest daughter had opted for aeronautical engineering -- of no use to the owner of a flourishing tyre business. "I thought my son and Kalpana would join me in the business," Chawla recalls.

During a break from studies, Kalpana accompanied her brother to flight school, but the authorities demanded she get the written consent of her guardian. Chawla refused consent. As Sunita remembers it, Sanjay was to give Kalpana some valuable advice: "Everyone fights their own battles."

Chawla was in the US when Kalpana learnt that she had topped Punjab University in the engineering finals, and was offered a job in her own college. But she had already begun applying to several American universities, and was accepted by the University of Texas for a master's in aeronautical engineering.

Her father was away and in the male-dominated household, no one else could take a decision. So Kalpana went back to Punjab Engineering College and took up a teaching job.

"I returned after two months and reached Karnal late one evening," Chawla recalls. "Kalpana was supposed to be home, but she wasn't. I asked about her. She is in Chandigarh, I was told. And then, someone said, anyway why are you asking? You don't have time for her."

It triggered a family revolt, with his wife, whom Chawla calls “liberal and advanced” and the three elder children ganging up on behalf of their baby of the household.

"I asked them what she was doing in Chandigarh. They said, why don't you go and find out?"

Early next morning, on August 26, Chawla reached Kalpana's hostel in Chandigarh, but she wasn't there. So he went to the college to visit the principal, whom he knew.

"Chawla, you have only money, nothing else," the principal said, and told the astonished father about how brilliant Kalpana was, and that time was running out if she was to get into a US college.

Chawla and the principal walked over to where Kalpana was taking classes. "She was writing on the blackboard, with her back to the class. After a while, she turned, wiping the chalk dust off her hands, and as she turned, she saw me.

“She walked up to me in tears and said, Papa, you have destroyed my career. You never have time for me."

The date was August 26 -- and the last date for admission to Texas was the 31^st of that month. Kalpana had no passport, no visa, no tickets, nothing.

Chawla cried, tears of genuine distress. And through his tears he asked his daughter, "Do you want to go to the US?"

"Yes. I will go on my own money," Kalpana replied.

"You can do that, but I can fund you, as well," Chawla said.

"Anyway, now I can only go next year," his dejected daughter said. "I have no passport, no visa, nothing."

If his life had taught him one thing, it was to never give up. Do you want to go this year, Chawla asked his daughter. Yes, Kalpana said.

"Then come with me," he said, telling her to resign from her job that instant.

Kalpana was reluctant, fearing that her father would force her to join Super Tyres. "She thought I was trying to trick her into coming back to Karnal, and once there, I wouldn't let her leave," Chawla recalls.

Pulling every string he knew, drawing on all his accumulated goodwill, Chawla got his daughter's passport the same day. A day later, the visa was organised. On August 28, Kalpana, accompanied by brother Sanjay, boarded a British Airways flight at midnight.

The story was to take another twist, when the flight was first delayed, then cancelled.

The Chawla family, which had gone to see Kalpana off, was in tears. But Chawla, even then, did not know the meaning of failure. He began calling friends in the US, and finally arranged for Kalpana to be admitted behind schedule -- in fact, the university even organised a pickup for Kalpana and her brother from the airport.

Shortly before Kalpana took off on her ill-fated last flight her father, now deeply into religion, philosophized about his youngest daughter's achievements.

"Good things happen in families where good people are born," he said.

He recalled how, when his father Lala Labhamal was around 45 years old and still struggling to establish himself after the trauma of Partition, he met a guru and became his disciple. He built a matth in Karnal and ran it till he was 85. He died in 1997 -- the same year that Kalpana took off on her maiden space sojourn.

Nirmal Kutiya continues to be run by his disciples, providing succour to Karnal's poor.

"My mother was old and weak, but she would work several hours with my father, preparing rotis for the poor," Chawla says. When she died, over 10,000 people -- many of whom had eaten the food she had so lovingly prepared -- turned up for her funeral.

The family tradition of serving society is now being carried on by Chawla's younger brother, Amrit Chand Chawla. The industrialist from Mumbai has left his factory to managers and spends his time in Karnal, where he runs a well-furnished old age home for some 160 people, and a school where around 2000 poor children are provided education and basic necessities free. He also provides some 700 poor families a monthly allowance to meet their needs.

Meanwhile, a second generation was growing up -- and taking inspiration from Kalpana's odyssey from Karnal to outer space. Megha, a standard five student, told this correspondent shortly before Kalpana took off on what was to be her last voyage, that she wanted to be an astronaut like her aunt.

Till the evening of Saturday, January 31, the story was pure Horatio Alger -- a man who survived untold horrors and went on to make a fortune; and his daughter who, against the odds, went on to make her name in one of the most challenging of careers.

Today, that daughter's life, her achievements, ended in a fireball that destroyed her spacecraft. And left behind, by that explosion, is an old man who, finally, finds a tragedy too great for even his innate stoicism to withstand.

The Rediff Specials

A terrible news.. about Columbia going down... So many genious minds lost..!!

'Astronauts may have died painlessly