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Re: [Statisticians_group] Please Help me

"Most people at this point will "reject" the hypothesis, but what does that mean? "
 
 
To suppliment it,my question is: even based on all circumstatial evidence, whether  a (non) convicted person is always(not) guilty?

If the answer is 'no', then  we need to know about Type-I & Type-II errors.

After all we are dealing with all kinds of chance events, and (perhaps)that is why we first study probability,then distribution , then sampling,then sampling distribution of statistic(s) and then proceed to Inference.
And , my personal view is , inference(be it estimation, be it testing) is nothing but (enlightened) statistical guesswork....
 
Coming to the point : rejection never implies falseness;neither acceptance implies correctness. Rejection implies that the probability(calculated under certain assumptions)of the falseness is high.(In other words,  when we 'feel' that   the parbability of the falseness of the null hypothesis is 'high', we reject it) 
 
What is high or what is low....depends upon the context.

 

 


 
Kaushik Bhattacharjee
 


From: Andrew Hartley <khahstats@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:01:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Statisticians_group] Please Help me

Harika,
sorry about your paper. I don't know how your course is being taught, but many courses don't, in my opinion, adequately explain something that is strange about the usual methods for statistical inference: Those methods start by stating this or that hypothesis concerning the larger population, & then make statements about how often such & such would be observed in the smaller sample if that hypothesis were true. This reasoning is from the general to the specific, whereas statistical inference would be from the data to the hypotheses (i.e., the specific to the general, as reflected in the ppt Sasikumar mailed you). You're then supposed to observe the data, & use your creative imagination to invent the meaning those data indicate concerning the hypothesis about the larger population.
 
E.g., in hypothesis testing, we assume the tested ("null") hypothesis. That hypothesis might indicate that, if you repeated the experiment many times, 95% of the time, the sample means will fall between -5 & +5. Now, say you observe the sample mean & it is -7. That was not in the range you expected with 95% confidence. Everything up to this point is the "general to specific" part. Now comes the "creative imagination" part: Having observed something in the sample that seemed unlikely given your hypothesis, to do inference you need to say something about the hypothesis itself.
 
Most people at this point will "reject" the hypothesis, but what does that mean? Does it mean we are 95% sure the hypothesis is false? Or simply that our confidence in the hypothesis has decreased to some unspecified degree? Disparate answers to this question abound among statisticians, which is probably part of why you "didn't understand even a problem or a sentence."
 
I could go on to explain what I think is a more sensible approach than the standard statistical methods, but want to ask now whether any of the above makes sense to you.

--- On Wed, 2/4/09, harikabhardwaj <harikabhardwaj@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: harikabhardwaj <harikabhardwaj@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Statisticians_ group] Please Help me
To: Statisticians_ group@yahoogroup s.co.in
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 5:43 AM

Hi

Am harika am studying M.Sc (Statistics) in Distance mode we have 1st
paper as Statistical Inference i failed in that paper because i didn't
understand even a problem or sentence please help me to how to read
means any example.give some examples regarding statistical inference
please help me





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This may be useful for basic understanding of statistical inference. Cheers, S.Sasikumar, _____ From: Statisticians_group@... ...
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Harika, sorry about your paper. I don't know how your course is being taught, but many courses don't, in my opinion, adequately explain something that is...
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"Most people at this point will "reject" the hypothesis, but what does that mean? "     To suppliment it,my question is: even based on all circumstatial...
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Hi, I have a question about corr.coefficients. X is an independent variable with mean ?1 and variance ó1 2 Y is an independent variable with mean ?2 and...
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Deniz, Here is a rough draft of the solution. Hope that this helps. Maureen Corr(ab) = cov(ab)/sqrt(var(a)*var(b)) a= (x-y) b = x ab = x^2 – xy Cov(ab) =...
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Sorry, the question would be the correlation coefficient between X and Z (Z = X-Y) From: dnz_senturk@...:...
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Kaushik, I am sure that many statisticians feel as you do: A hypothesis H, once rejected, has low probability ("the probability of falseness is high"). Two...
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