Hi Saksham

Let's discuss. And hey it's not a battle-field, there is no war going on and
discussions are a part of any groups. Every one has the right to opinion.


> Thanks for giving time to reply to my email. But yes my email was
> totally based on the FACTS. You are right that "Lot of things are
> easier said than done." If I look in the past, myself has posted a message on
May 16 this year
> after Jan 14, 2005. Of course there MUST be some reason.

Yup, some FACTs again. And I also believe in policy of self analysis first and
that's what I do first and foremost.

> I posted my message this time, as I like to see our group growing, but
> I'm sorry to say that this has been taken personally.

Any hey, why only this time, and why not earlier. A plant grows better by more
often waterings. Let's all nurture our plant -our SunnyLUG that we have raised
togehter dear members. Growth is possible only then. One in a blue moon kind of
gestures don't do much anyways.

No I didn't take anything personally. The tone of my reply simply matched the
tone I was asked in. When something is stated in the interogatory manner, it
sets the tone right away. I quote a phrase of your first mail in this thread "1.
Whats member count". And than followed by a answer as well. Hey, wait a minute,
is that the correct way to put down the stats?


> Also, regarding the member count, I had given you the count of members
> joined in last one year..not the total and FYI and rememberance, the
> home page tell us the total members since beginning.

Dear, I know that. But your "1. Whats member count" PERIOD ! could only have
that reply.

> Anyways, I know few of the person who dont want to join the group. The
> metter is not that they are not interested in Linux or in Jodhour
> group..but now I think I shoud reveal one major problem. And that
> reason has come true by your reply. I must tell other group members that my
memory tells me that Tarun was > having a plan to have group website on its
second anniversary on
> Sourceforge. BUT AS I CREATED A LOGIN FOR SunnyLUG instead of
> moderators, WE ARE STILL NOT HAVING THE SAME. Its not
> mandatory to have the site on the sourceforge but I've told everyone
> it just as an example.

Frankly I don't understand. Either you tell who the 'Some Linux Users of
Jodhpur' you are refering to. If they are already the members I never noticed
someone objecting over the Sourceforge issue. You did creat a Login for our
group at sourceforge, but if you go back, you will remember the reason why we
didn't choose to go for a website there. Let me elaborate once again:
#1. Sourceforge suites better for having projects posted. SunnuLUG is not a
project but a service, a information broadcaster, a forum to propagate views on
Linux in particular and OSS in general and to help anyone with a Linux related
issue through community support.
#2. You never discussed beforehand your plans to creat a login for SunnyLUG at
Sourceforge. What is the group for. Its open platform. Your created a login and
then informed. I appreciate your feelings and your taking the lead, but that is
not the very democratic way. What's the harm discussing first. We are not
running a wiki-LUG, there are a set of guidelined that every one sticks to. And
every one is free to discuss the plans first.

Also Saksham, if you can do a website for the group, no one will have any
objection at all. Believe me, no one. But can we all (the members) together
discuss, plan out and then decide a plan of action ! And have full freedom
dear.

> My email communication
> in this regard was seen by many Linux users of Jodhpur and by the
> response they felt very bad and decided not to join the group.

I don't know which users of Jodhpur you are refering to who felt bad. If they
did, I would say they didn't know both sides of the story. And if I were you, I
would have brought the issue to light much earlier.

> I think, the group means WE not I.

Yes that's what it has always meant. And "WE" should do the efforts together.
"We" should discuss things togehter. "We" should reach a decision together. "We"
are a body. You and I and all make up this "We". Why on earth you ever felt
there was an I. A little reterospection sould clear out the "I" factor. In the
absence of contribution from other members, if a few of us are trying to keep
this group alive and kicking, that effort is unfortunately being taken and
perceived as falling in the "I" category. That's a very sad way of thinking, I
should say. It's indeed very unfortunate.

Dear Members, if your are listening, please feel free to let us know what you
feel on this issue.

>
> I NEVER WANTED TO HAVE THIS GROUP A FIELD OF BATTLE BUT THE REPLY OF
> TARUN HAS MADE IT LIKE THIS.

Battle? I still don't see it. Battle is too heavy a word to use here. Hey
Saksham, I don't know where things are going wrong? Because I personally don't
see anything really going wrong anywhere. You are right in pointing out that the
group may not have grown with a faster rate. And in the process, I have made
some Linux members unhappy and made them feel bad. But my intentions were very
clean and transparent. I believe in straight talk. And I don't think I have done
someting wrong by being direct. Anyways, let's not make this a personal platform
of discussing such petty issues.


> SORRY TARUN, I and other group members are with you to grow the group,
> but of course all members want to work as a team.

Yes it's a team. But have I stopped the members from working as a team. IF only
a handful people are contributing, that still is a team. Team spirit means,
working on a plan together. I have always professed for that philosophy. Show me
a single exception. IF there was a singular decision, it was creation of a
account with Sourceforge and then informing the members. Was that a team effort?
On the contrary such are the things which bring out the distinction between "I"
and "We". Moreover, your statement above make me feel that you are in discussion
with all members so please forward the mails to the group. And I never stopped
any team effort. Well how can I possibly do that. Or for that reason how can
anyone possibly do that. The very thought is very amusing and bizzare. Well "I"
am not SunnyLUG. And how can "I" stop anyone in this democracy. "We" are
SunnyLUG and let the mailing list be a place for every one to raise the issues.
No one here represents anyone. Let every one speak for themselves and not for
others behalf. We all are members and there is no hierarchy here. Every opinion
is respected equally. By being the moderator, no one is claiming to be 'in
charge'. Moderators are just the workers trying to make things run smoothly.


> I know, my this email is quite harsh, but I had to do that for OUR
> GROUP's benefit.
> Saksham


Thanks for the mail coz it did help me understand a lot. And thanks for taking
care of "OUR GROUPS" benefit. It would have been so much more better had you
shared your grievance much earlier.

I invite suggestions from all the members on the issues raised by Saksham.
Lets work together to find a way out to make things run smoother.

Cheers,
-Tarun









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> --- In SunCityJodhpurLUG@..., tarunkant@l... wrote:
> >
> > Hi Saksham|Shailesh,
> >
> > Thanks for your mail and wishes for the long life of our beloved LUG.
> >
> > Regarding the points you have raised this is what I would like to say:
> >
> > 1. The number of members is always reflected on the SunnyLUG Y! page
> itself. You've gotta visit the page once in a while to know the
> membership strength. Here is the link:
> > http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunCityJodhpurLUG/
> > Current membership strength is 130
> >
> > 2. Our LUG is listed at- Linux Users Groups Worldwide
> (http://lugww.counter.li.org/index.cms) and Linux For You's LUG Corner
> (http://www.linuxforu.com). Not just that every issue of the 'Linux
> For You' magazine also lists our LUG. Moreover the from
> time to time contact people in and around the city as well as out side
> also to join the group. It is also the responsibility of every member
> to promote the group and invite members.
> >
> > 3. As for the reasons as to why some people do not want join a group
> is something very complicated. I have not come acros a single person
> not willing to join because of a problem associated with our LUG.
> >
> > I have always been seeking active participation from both local and
> outside members. But that is not so easy. And frankly my busy schedule
> also poses limitations at my end. Within our limited resources and
> time all the concerned are doing there best to promote this group.
> >
> > Lot of things are easier said than done.
> >
> > -Tarun
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Saksham <saksham2000@y...>
> > > To: SunCityJodhpurLUG@...
> > > Subject: [SunnyLUG] Belated Happy Birth Day
> > > Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:48:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > Hi F'ends,
> > > > I wish SunnyLUG a long journey ahead. On the time, when the
> > group > has been 3 yrs. old, I feel few of the points MUST be
> > thought about.
> > > > 1. Whats member count. I know, there are many Linux users/
> > admin > from Jodhpur but seems either they are not aware about
> > the group or > dont wanna be member of it.
> > > > 2. If they are not aware, then we can spread it by our own
> > friend > circle BUT, if they dont want to be member of then...we
> > have to > think about the reasons.
> > > > > I feel, I'm also responsible for this like other members
> > who are > not active on the group.
> > > > Only 14 new members have been added in the group in last
> > year. We > have transmitted 230 messages.
> > > > Can our members suggest how we can make this group more useful.
> > > > Requesting everyone to think positive.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Belated wishes to the group once again.
> > > > (Saksham|Shailesh) Mathur
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