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#715 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Sun May 2, 2004 6:30 pm
Subject:: Re: [SunnyLUG] PlayFair: Present status
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... but it makes me wonder why a company has to have
double standards. In fact its all about profit making.
And with Linux bringing new life to an old Mac,
** Apple just plays it down**.    -Tarun
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hmmm, how about  --  Apple just plays fair ...

Play fair, Apple ... play fair ...  :-)


~SS.

#714 From: Linux Fan <linuxeveryday@...>
Date:: Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:01 am
Subject:: DaimlerChrysler: Dismiss SCO suit
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DaimlerChrysler: Dismiss SCO suit

DaimlerChrysler has asked a judge to dismiss the SCO
Group's lawsuit against the company, one of several
high-profile cases that have entangled Linux in SCO's
intellectual-property claims over Unix.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5202095.html

-LED





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#713 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:44 am
Subject:: Sun Sticks 'Proprietary' Label on Red Hat Linux
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Sun Sticks 'Proprietary' Label on Red Hat Linux

A surprising breach appeared to open between leading Unix and Linux companies on
Monday as Sun Microsystems' chief executive called Red Hat. As for Red Hat: The
best way to compete against Red Hat is not to sue them, but to release a better
product.

News Source: http://www.linux.net/news/story.php?newsid=124&topstory=1

-Tarun


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#712 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:17 am
Subject:: Re: [SunnyLUG] PlayFair: Present status
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I was just wondering why Apple does not raise an eyebrow over Linux on Mac. For
example Yellow Dog Linux and MkLinux for Mac are Linux distros that can
installed on old Mac! --as old as the 7500.  Though this is sort of unrelated to
the FairPlay issue, but it makes me wonder why a company has to have double
standards. Infact its all about profit making. And with Linux bringing new life
to an old Mac, Apple just plays it down.
-Tarun


--- H S Rai <hsraidce@...> wrote:
[Long Post]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Raj Mathur <raju@...>
Subject: [LIG] PlayFair: what's happening

Hi,

A quick update for those of you who're following the PlayFair case,
where Apple threatened Sarovar.org with legal consequences unless they
removed the PlayFair package from their servers:

There are a number of loosely-coordinated efforts on to evaluate
Apple's threat and see whether it's legal in the context of Indian
law.  It's premature to judge one way or the other, but a number of
lawyers seem to feel that Apple is well within its rights and will win
the case if it comes to court.  On the other hand, a number of experts
also seem to agree that Apple has overstepped the bounds of what they
are permitted to do under law, and if we're lucky they (Apple) may
even be in line for damages.

In the meantime M P Anand Babu (whom you may remember from his
ILUG-Delhi days) has taken over as the official project maintainer for
PlayFair.  He's looking for hosting space in India, so if you know a
free software-friendly ISP who offers server colocation, please
contact AB directly at <ab@...>.

Rajkumar S has written a position paper on the PlayFair issue, which
he and I subsequently worked on together to complete.  We're passing
that to journalists who have queries about the PlayFair case.  The
paper is available at http://kandalaya.org/playfair.txt .
[Appended below this message] Please go
ahead and use it if you wish to educate anyone about the basic issues
involved in this case.  We'd appreciate it if you send any changes you
make back to us for inclusion in future versions of the document.

If you wish to offer any kind of support (legal, technical, financial)
the right person to contact would be Anand Babu.

Regards, -- Raju
----------------------------------------------------
BACKGROUND
----------

Sarovar (http://www.sarovar.org/) was setup about a year back as a
facility for free software hackers. It's running the GForge software
under Debian GNU/Linux. Think of it as a Savannah in India
(http://savannah.gnu.org/ and http://savannah.nongnu.org/ are servers
providing facilities for distributed development of free software
projects).  The Sarovar server is physically located in Trivandrum,
India.  It is sponsored by Trivandrum based company River Valley
Technologies and maintained by Linuxense, another Trivandrum-based
company.  Rajkumar S, who works at Linuxense. is one of the
maintainers of Sarovar. These 2 companies (River Valley and Linuxense)
maintain Sarovar as a service for the free software community in India
and abroad.  Sarovar now hosts 130 projects and has more than 930
registered users from across the world.

PlayFair is a tool to enable fair use for music purchased from Apple's
iTunes music service.  It lets people play music in non-Apple
authorized hardware like a GNU/Linux PC, provided an authorized key is
available.  It does that by stripping the Digital Rights Management
(DRM) facility from a song, provided the key to playing the song is
available.  PlayFair is licensed under GNU General Public License (GPL
-- http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#GPL).

The author of PlayFair prefers to remain anonymous.

HISTORY
-------

PlayFair was originally hosted at Sourceforge.net, a US-based project
similar to Savannah and Sarovar.  Apple invoked the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act (DMCA) against PlayFair and Sourceforge took down the
project.  Since DMCA has an anti circumvision provision, PlayFair
*may* be illegal in the USA.

Once Sourceforge shut down the project, PlayFair's author contacted
Sarovar for hosting, and since India do not have a DMCA like law,
Rajkumar S approved the project as it is legal in India. The project
was available at Sarovar for about a week and had about 30,000
downloads.

Last Friday (2004-04-16) Apple sent a Cease and Desist (C&D) letter to
the sponsors, maintainers and ISP of Sarovar.org invoking the IT Act
2002 and Indian Copyright act, and instructed them to take down
PlayFair within 24 hours.  The full letter from apple is available at

   http://sarovar.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=474

Since the letter was addressed to the ISP and sponsors, and as they
had some limitations on fighting the case, Sarovar decided to take
down PlayFair, even though they believed that it was legal.

Some of the hackers who maintain Sarovar.org had pretty strong
feelings about this case, but were helpless against the legal force
from Apple.

As we think about the implications of such a C&D letter from a
corporation against a free software project, it becomes apparent that
the issue at hand is not just related to PlayFair or Sarovar or River
Valley. What is really happening is a corporation is using legal means
to shut down a free software project in India for the first time and
the small project is left defenseless even though they believe that
they are right.

This letter from Apple will have a profound impact on freedom for
Indians and people all over the world. If we do not fight back, we
will be on our way on a slippery slope. If we win it will be a
momentous victory with impact all over the world.

PLAYFAIR IS NOT MUSIC THEFT
---------------------------

PlayFair does not give the user any special facilities that Apple
itself has not given the user:

1. PlayFair requires a valid key from Apple to convert the format of
music downloaded from iTunes.  PlayFair cannot convert downloaded
songs' formats without authorized keys.

2. PlayFair is not a music distribution program.  All PlayFair does is
convert songs from one, restricted format to another, less restricted
format.

3. PlayFair is not a method for making illegal copies of iTunes
songs.  PlayFair by itself cannot be used to copy music to CD,
distribute on a peer-to-peer (P2P) sharing network, play music or edit
songs.

4. PlayFair saves time in converting songs.  The Apple iPod permits
the iTunes user to make a music CD out of iTunes songs.  After that
the user can convert the songs in that CD to MP3 or another digital
format for playing on portable, non-Apple music players.  By
converting iTunes songs directly to a common digital format, PlayFair
shortcuts this sequence by eliminating the need to make a CD and then
convert it.

THE ISSUES
----------

PlayFair has been written from scratch by it's author, who likes to
remain anonymous, using only freely-available tools and modules, and
does not violate the copyright of any of those tools and modules. He
has made the code for PlayFair freely available to anyone who wishes
to use, view, modify and distribute it.  PlayFair is not in violation
of the copyright laws of any country.

Apple appears to be taking the position that PlayFair can be used to
illegally copy and share music.  However, PlayFair is not a tool for
illegal copying and sharing of music any more than CD writers, tape
recorders and radios are.  If PlayFair is in contravention of any law
related to music, so are radios, CD writers and tape recorders and
should be treated accordingly.

Apple has stated that PlayFair contravenes the Indian Copyright
Act. 1957 and the IT Act, 2002, but have not specified how these acts
are violated.  While these acts make the unauthorized copying of music
illegal, they nowhere bar the creation of tools that could potentially
be used to illegally copy music.  Trying to stop dissemination of a
tool that permits legal licensees of songs from iTunes to play them on
non Apple-authorized hardware is purely a business loss prevention
strategy from Apple and must be deplored.

CURRENT STATUS
--------------

M P Anand Babu, a well-known member of the Indian free software
community who currently resides in the USA, has taken over as project
maintainer of the PlayFair package.  Anand Babu, the Indian free
software community and a large number of concerned Indian citizens are
working together to devise a strategy by which PlayFair can be made
available to the world; they are also working on understanding how to
counter the threat of corporates abusing the legal system to protect
their own financial interests at the cost of freedom.

Authors
-------

Rajkumar S <s_raj@...>
Raj Mathur <raju@...>




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#711 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:31 am
Subject:: IEEE Code Of Ethics...
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But this applies to all professionals (engg., medicine,
IT, law etc.) ...
---------------------------------------------
We, the members of the IEEE, in recognition of the
importance of our technologies in affecting the quality
of life throughout the world, and in accepting a personal
obligation to our profession, its members and the
communities we serve, do hereby commit ourselves to
the highest ethical and professional conduct and agree:

1. to accept responsibility in making engineering
decisions consistent with the safety, health and
welfare of the public, and to disclose promptly factors
that might endanger the public or the environment;

2. to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest
whenever possible, and to disclose them to affected
parties when they do exist;

3. to be honest and realistic in stating claims or
estimates based on available data;

4. to reject bribery in all its forms;

5. to improve the understanding of technology, its
appropriate application, and potential consequences;

6. to maintain and improve our technical competence
and to undertake technological tasks for others only
if qualified by training or experience, or after full
disclosure of pertinent limitations;

7. to seek, accept, and offer honest criticism of
technical work, to acknowledge and correct errors,
and to credit properly the contributions of others;

8. to treat fairly all persons regardless of such
factors as race, religion, gender, disability, age,
or national origin;

9. to avoid injuring others, their property, reputation,
or employment by false or malicious action;

10. to assist colleagues and co-workers in their
professional development and to support them in
following this code of ethics.

#710 From: H S Rai <hsraidce@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:27 pm
Subject:: PlayFair: Present status
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[Long Post]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Raj Mathur <raju@...>
Subject: [LIG] PlayFair: what's happening

Hi,

A quick update for those of you who're following the PlayFair case,
where Apple threatened Sarovar.org with legal consequences unless they
removed the PlayFair package from their servers:

There are a number of loosely-coordinated efforts on to evaluate
Apple's threat and see whether it's legal in the context of Indian
law.  It's premature to judge one way or the other, but a number of
lawyers seem to feel that Apple is well within its rights and will win
the case if it comes to court.  On the other hand, a number of experts
also seem to agree that Apple has overstepped the bounds of what they
are permitted to do under law, and if we're lucky they (Apple) may
even be in line for damages.

In the meantime M P Anand Babu (whom you may remember from his
ILUG-Delhi days) has taken over as the official project maintainer for
PlayFair.  He's looking for hosting space in India, so if you know a
free software-friendly ISP who offers server colocation, please
contact AB directly at <ab@...>.

Rajkumar S has written a position paper on the PlayFair issue, which
he and I subsequently worked on together to complete.  We're passing
that to journalists who have queries about the PlayFair case.  The
paper is available at http://kandalaya.org/playfair.txt .
[Appended below this message] Please go
ahead and use it if you wish to educate anyone about the basic issues
involved in this case.  We'd appreciate it if you send any changes you
make back to us for inclusion in future versions of the document.

If you wish to offer any kind of support (legal, technical, financial)
the right person to contact would be Anand Babu.

Regards, -- Raju
----------------------------------------------------
BACKGROUND
----------

Sarovar (http://www.sarovar.org/) was setup about a year back as a
facility for free software hackers. It's running the GForge software
under Debian GNU/Linux. Think of it as a Savannah in India
(http://savannah.gnu.org/ and http://savannah.nongnu.org/ are servers
providing facilities for distributed development of free software
projects).  The Sarovar server is physically located in Trivandrum,
India.  It is sponsored by Trivandrum based company River Valley
Technologies and maintained by Linuxense, another Trivandrum-based
company.  Rajkumar S, who works at Linuxense. is one of the
maintainers of Sarovar. These 2 companies (River Valley and Linuxense)
maintain Sarovar as a service for the free software community in India
and abroad.  Sarovar now hosts 130 projects and has more than 930
registered users from across the world.

PlayFair is a tool to enable fair use for music purchased from Apple's
iTunes music service.  It lets people play music in non-Apple
authorized hardware like a GNU/Linux PC, provided an authorized key is
available.  It does that by stripping the Digital Rights Management
(DRM) facility from a song, provided the key to playing the song is
available.  PlayFair is licensed under GNU General Public License (GPL
-- http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#GPL).

The author of PlayFair prefers to remain anonymous.

HISTORY
-------

PlayFair was originally hosted at Sourceforge.net, a US-based project
similar to Savannah and Sarovar.  Apple invoked the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act (DMCA) against PlayFair and Sourceforge took down the
project.  Since DMCA has an anti circumvision provision, PlayFair
*may* be illegal in the USA.

Once Sourceforge shut down the project, PlayFair's author contacted
Sarovar for hosting, and since India do not have a DMCA like law,
Rajkumar S approved the project as it is legal in India. The project
was available at Sarovar for about a week and had about 30,000
downloads.

Last Friday (2004-04-16) Apple sent a Cease and Desist (C&D) letter to
the sponsors, maintainers and ISP of Sarovar.org invoking the IT Act
2002 and Indian Copyright act, and instructed them to take down
PlayFair within 24 hours.  The full letter from apple is available at

   http://sarovar.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=474

Since the letter was addressed to the ISP and sponsors, and as they
had some limitations on fighting the case, Sarovar decided to take
down PlayFair, even though they believed that it was legal.

Some of the hackers who maintain Sarovar.org had pretty strong
feelings about this case, but were helpless against the legal force
from Apple.

As we think about the implications of such a C&D letter from a
corporation against a free software project, it becomes apparent that
the issue at hand is not just related to PlayFair or Sarovar or River
Valley. What is really happening is a corporation is using legal means
to shut down a free software project in India for the first time and
the small project is left defenseless even though they believe that
they are right.

This letter from Apple will have a profound impact on freedom for
Indians and people all over the world. If we do not fight back, we
will be on our way on a slippery slope. If we win it will be a
momentous victory with impact all over the world.

PLAYFAIR IS NOT MUSIC THEFT
---------------------------

PlayFair does not give the user any special facilities that Apple
itself has not given the user:

1. PlayFair requires a valid key from Apple to convert the format of
music downloaded from iTunes.  PlayFair cannot convert downloaded
songs' formats without authorized keys.

2. PlayFair is not a music distribution program.  All PlayFair does is
convert songs from one, restricted format to another, less restricted
format.

3. PlayFair is not a method for making illegal copies of iTunes
songs.  PlayFair by itself cannot be used to copy music to CD,
distribute on a peer-to-peer (P2P) sharing network, play music or edit
songs.

4. PlayFair saves time in converting songs.  The Apple iPod permits
the iTunes user to make a music CD out of iTunes songs.  After that
the user can convert the songs in that CD to MP3 or another digital
format for playing on portable, non-Apple music players.  By
converting iTunes songs directly to a common digital format, PlayFair
shortcuts this sequence by eliminating the need to make a CD and then
convert it.

THE ISSUES
----------

PlayFair has been written from scratch by it's author, who likes to
remain anonymous, using only freely-available tools and modules, and
does not violate the copyright of any of those tools and modules. He
has made the code for PlayFair freely available to anyone who wishes
to use, view, modify and distribute it.  PlayFair is not in violation
of the copyright laws of any country.

Apple appears to be taking the position that PlayFair can be used to
illegally copy and share music.  However, PlayFair is not a tool for
illegal copying and sharing of music any more than CD writers, tape
recorders and radios are.  If PlayFair is in contravention of any law
related to music, so are radios, CD writers and tape recorders and
should be treated accordingly.

Apple has stated that PlayFair contravenes the Indian Copyright
Act. 1957 and the IT Act, 2002, but have not specified how these acts
are violated.  While these acts make the unauthorized copying of music
illegal, they nowhere bar the creation of tools that could potentially
be used to illegally copy music.  Trying to stop dissemination of a
tool that permits legal licensees of songs from iTunes to play them on
non Apple-authorized hardware is purely a business loss prevention
strategy from Apple and must be deplored.

CURRENT STATUS
--------------

M P Anand Babu, a well-known member of the Indian free software
community who currently resides in the USA, has taken over as project
maintainer of the PlayFair package.  Anand Babu, the Indian free
software community and a large number of concerned Indian citizens are
working together to devise a strategy by which PlayFair can be made
available to the world; they are also working on understanding how to
counter the threat of corporates abusing the legal system to protect
their own financial interests at the cost of freedom.

Authors
-------

Rajkumar S <s_raj@...>
Raj Mathur <raju@...>

#709 From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:18 am
Subject:: GNU/LinuxinIndia * April 25, 2004
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	 Patents and copyrights are totally different, and the way to help
	 people understand them is never to mix them up or lump them
	 together.... Software patents bring nothing to our community except
	 danger. I am glad that Red Hat is getting some patents to use to
	 defend against Microsoft's patents.  (I hope Red Hat never turns
	 around to use them for aggression.) But the only help these patents
	 give us is to block part of the danger of patents -- and only part
	 of it! They have no positive effect. Taken all together, the patents
	 do not play any role in the vitality of our community. Most patents
	 threaten us, and a few may partly defend us from the threat of the
	 rest.  We would be much better off if nobody had any software
	 patents.

	 India has wisely refused to allow software patents.  Every supporter
	 of free software in India should be helping to support that policy.
	 Would you please help?  Please don't invite people to lump together
	 a hypothetical future Indian law (software patents) that can kill
	 our community and an existing Indian law (copyright) that has no
	 such power.  -- Richard M Stallman <rms at gnu.org>

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FROM BANGALORE, Kartik N <kartikn79 at symonds.net> sent out a recent
reminder about plans for April's BLUG (Bangalore Linux Users' Group) meet,
which was held on April 23. The agenda focussed on talks on filesystems in
GNU/Linux (by Arun) and the CD file system features (by Sreekiran). BLUG
meets usually take place between 6 to 8 pm at Hotel Ashraya International
Infantry Road, Opposite Police Commissioner's Office, Phone : +91 (80)
2262921. Map - http://linux-bangalore.org/images/ashraya-map.png

Cover charge is Rs.100 per person (includes dinner). More details at:
http://linux-bangalore.org/meetings/200404/
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LOCALISATION LIST from Bangalore is at http://lli.linux-bangalore.org
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GNUS GRAZING @ BANGALORE: Fans of the Free Software movement meanwhile
announced a meeting at Bangalore. It was called on Sunday, April 18 at the
unearthly hour of 10 am (no offence meant, I'm usually fast asleep by then).
The rendezvous-point was in front of Gangaram's Bookstore on MG Road.
Difficult to miss. You could get more details via Fsf-friends mailing list
Fsf-friends@... http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends

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CONGRATULATIONS, CRV: Radhakrishnan aka CVR <cvr at river-valley.org>
recently announced his marriage to Vidya, "my long time friend and colleague
for a decade". The big-day was April 18, 2004. The marriage was marked by
what CVR calls "a very simple function attended by our family members and
closest friends alone". Take a peek at http://tug.org/~cvr/knot/
Congrats to this longtime champion of TeX and the Tug User Group down south.
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FROM THE PHILIPPINES GNU/Linux mailing list (see details or subscribe at
http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug-misc ) Holden Hao <holden at
philonline.com.ph> writes in to say: "Linux For You is a great magazine.
Anybody know if this is already available in the Philippines?" Here's hoping
India can meet the potential when it sees it!
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KDE, KPPP AND INTERNET DIALERS: Guntupalli Karunakar <karunakar at
freedomink.org> is working on the KDE live CD, and is planning to have kppp
("the cool KDE Internet dialer") to include some prominent ISPs across India
configured for it -- e.g. VSNL, BSNL (Sancharnet), Satyam, etc. Says he: "I
need their dialup numbers and any other setting that are used for them.
Ideally you one could just send me /home/user/.kde/share/config/kppprc (of
course with the username / password removed ). We will have an internet
dialup icon on desktop or panel, clicking which will make the kppp dialog to
come up. All the user would then need to do is select his ISP number and
give the username and password, and dial. At present it would work with
external modems only." Please do help, if you can!
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THIS NOTE IS FROM INDEPENDENT JOURNALIST Frederic Dubois <frederic at
cmaq.net> of Montreal in Canada who says: " I have written an article on
free software in India and Canada. You can read it at:
http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?sh_itm=3d9755aef06d3654ab98d07488
e37a5a&r=1 There is also a discussion happening in the babble section:
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=31&t=000211 "
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WANNA BUY A SIMPUTER? Check this note from S D Sudarsan, a member of the
senior research staff at the CRL-BEL in Bangalore <sudarsan_crl@...>
who informs: "I've been receiving enquiries on buying Simputers from BEL.
The contact details are as below:

   Deepak Kumar MMF Division Bangalore Complex Bharat Electronics Limited
   Jalahalli PO Bangalore - 560 013 Tel: 080-23618184 Cell: 98800 88396

As I understand the lowest model is below 10K and goes upto 20K for the
Amida Simputer. You can contact Mr Sudarsan at crl-bel bangalore - 560013
tel: 080-28381125/26/27 fax: 080-28381168 sdsudarsan at crl.bel.co.in or
sudarsan_crl at yahoo.com
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	 QUOTE... UNQUOTE: We in India have a Vision 2020... Can we reach
	 there by keeping security holes in the armour? Don't we need to have
	 some IndLix, Bhartix or Tricolix, duly certified by (computing
	 institutions like) NCST, C-DAC etc that will work for the whole of
	 country and sort out the interoperability issues also along with it?
	 -- J.S. Sandha CEO Jagriti e-Sewa (www.jagriti.com) Jalandhar
	 098141-84878 <jsandha at vsnl.net>
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HERE'S SOME MORE GOOD NEWS courtesy Tarun Kant <tarunkant at linux.net> who
says: Mandrake Linux is available in 66 languages and Hindi is one of them.
Check out the following link and you will be pleasently surprised:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/hi.php3 To know about what other languages
are supported check out: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/translations.php3

[ Dr Kant is a scientist at the Forest Genetics & Tree Breeding Division,
Arid Forest Research Institute, Jodhpur http://www.geocities.com/bobkant/ ]
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THREE CHEERS TO KERALA: This input is from linux_schools at yahoo.com
(Herald), who writes: Kerala is leading in Free/Libre and Open Source
Software front. 200 schools multiplied by 100 students on an average gives
20 thousand GNU/Linux users. Children are very curious and fast in
experimenting and learning new things. When they go home and talk about it,
the elders also will be automatically interested in checking what this
software is. Similarly the Engineering students will start getting interest
in Free Softwares.... In Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh there are only the
private schools to harvest as the government ones have been captured by
Microsoft. Check  http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_schools/

MAHESH T PAI added earlier: About  200  schools in  Malappuram  district
installed GNU/Linux. The driving force behind this initiative, AFAIK, is one
Mr. Sujeevan P, of an organisation called IIRC, S2S2.
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CHECK OUT THE linux-india-programmers mailing list
linux-india-programmers@...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-programmers
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READER-RATED WEB-PAGES From Arun Sharma <arun at freebsd.org>, a message
that came in via the FreeBSD list: I've been experimenting with a new way of
separating the more interesting content on the web from the less interesting
ones. Mainly by using human intelligence.
http://www.sharma-home.net/software/vote/vote.html
If you find this interesting, you're welcome to download this small piece of
open source software and try it out. The more users there are, the more
useful this tool will be. The mozilla firefox extension requires you to
customize the toolbar and manually add the new button to the toolbar. It
takes about 5 mins for a new submission to show up on the results page.
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INTERESTED IN FREE BSD? Check out
	 http://www.bsd-india.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-india
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SUGGESTIONS TO IMPROVING GNU/LINUX: Shrave <shrave1 at yahoo.com> who does
much to keep active the mailing list
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/blore-linux/ comments:

The following I feel are the top three areas that need to be addressed for
moving Linux into the massive consumer and small office markets.

	 1) I would suggest students to try and target one critically
	 important piece of the Linux desktop puzzle: USB synching of
	 OpenOffice documents and a cross platform PIM such as Chandler. This
	 would allow Linux notebooks and tablets to be deployed en masse in
	 most Windows based offices. Market share would then likely be built
	 very rapidly as the case with Palm Pilots and their USB connected
	 strategy. With market share, follows developer support, and a
	 relatively quick destruction of the Microsoft desktop monopoly.

	 2) Adding a GOCR module to OpenOffice should be another high
	 priority goal.  GOCR is the open source optical character
	 recognition project (OCR). For those that are not familiar (with the
	 concept), OCR is used to convert paper based documents into editable
	 word processor documents using a scanner.  GOCR is currently command
	 line-based, but works very well. Developing this into a GUI version
	 that could become an optional add on module for OpenOffice would be
	 very useful for small offices and home offices considering a Linux
	 desktop. Unlike developers, most end users live in a sea of
	 paper-based documents and adding a bridge to access these documents
	 digitally allows businesses to go to Linux desktops much more
	 confidently.

	 3) Adding a photo-editing module to OpenOffice similar to Apple's
	 iPhoto.  This would tend to really help in promoting uptake of
	 OpenOffice and Linux desktops in consumer market.  Digital cameras
	 are now outselling film cameras and this is going to get even more
	 important in the next few years.
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INTERESTED IN FLOSS in Mangalore (coastal south-western India)? Find more
about us at http://www.linux-mangalore.org
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LOCALISATION NEWSLETTER: G Karunakar <karunakar@...> who is the
IndLinux.org coordinator, says:

	 On behalf of the Localization community in India we are happy to
	 bring out the first issue of the Localization Newsletter. Aim of
	 this newsletter is to highlight localization activities based on
	 Free/Libre and Open Source Software, present a complete picture, and
	 to serve as a mouthpiece for all localization teams and their
	 volunteers.

HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS ISSUE: * Headlines : Bengali, Punjabi supported languages
in Gnome 2.6, Hindi and Tamil supported in KDE 3.2
* In News Bits : PCQLinux2004 with Indic support, Devanagari & Gujarati
Opentype fonts, Mozilla build with Indic support.
* In Team Watch : Sayamindu Dasgupta speaking on Ankur Bangla project.

Read complete issue at http://www.indlinux.org/nl/nl150404.html A pdf of it
is available at http://www.indlinux.org/nl/nlvol1.pdf (238KB) Comments are
welcome, and can be mailed to the editorial team or posted on
http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/NewsletterFeedback If you would like
to recieve copy of newsletter regularly you can subscribe to the mailing
list http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indlinux-news
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SOME MORE ON LOCALISATION: "Arky" <rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com> says:
Perhaps being children of lesser god we don't have such resources, yet
localization work is going at a good pace (see
http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php?LocalizationNewsletter )

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	 MADE IN INDIA, WELCOMED IN THE GULF: A comment from the Gulf region,
	 where Manoj Menon <manojcmenon at yahoo.com> recently commented on
	 the Linux-middleeast@yahoogroups.com newsgroup:

	 Linux based PDA for less than 1000 AED ... and best of all, its made
	 in India.  http://www.amidasimputer.com
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QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ASSAMESE LANGUAGE: Jyotirmoy Saikia <jyotirmoy_saikia at
yahoo.com> of Picopeta, the Simputer guys in Bangalore, asks an interesting
query:

Can I type Assamese from Yudit using Inscript? Assamese and Bengali scripts
are same except two consonants: (i) Consonat RA (this is character U09F0 in
Assamese and character U09B0 in Bengali) (ii) Consonant VA (this is chracter
U09F1 in Assamese, which is equivalent of Devanagari character U0935). As
far as I know, there is no consonat VA in Bengali.

I have looked at the Open Type Akaash bengali font and found that the
characters U09FO and U09F1 are present in the font. But using the Inscript
keyboard layout for Bengali, I can't type these characters. I believe we
need a seperate Inscript keyboard map for Assamese. What is the suggestion
from other people in the group? Similarly, we'll need a Assamese keyboard
map for the Milan release also; am I wrong?

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OFFICIAL SUPPORT FOR LOCALISATION WORK? Jitendra Shah <jitendras at
vsnl.com> reports that it is now "certain" that he will be working from
C-DAC Mumbai (formerly NCST) on a Central Government Localisation project
with the objective of localising Free/Opensource (GNU/Linux) in indian
languages with three angles: development of localised software (OS and some
applications for SOHEdu), deployment, and building a community of developers
and users.

Says he: "I think the objective is broad enough." Sometime back, Shah
started the work with a volunteer team. "It is heartening to see that there
are souls in the government who can identify and support such noble causes
too. While I believe such work will have to be done by dedicated people
without a pre-condtion of government support, there can be no doubt that
progress can leapfrog when there is official backing, particularly when such
support includes support for community participation rather than excluding
it."

Shah has a team of "good people who may want to contribute". But he's also
looking out for others who could get involved and help. He adds: "Since the
work is at all three levels -- system level, application level and (only to
some extent) content level, many people can contribute." Shah and team have
also been working on the conversion of legacy documents to Unicode.

He adds: "I am trying to convert the silos of legacy data from
ISFOC/Akruti/ShreeLipi/whathaveyou to unicode. This has been welcomed by the
(Maharashtra) State government as well as Central government and corporates.
I propose to use the programs to help generate sustainance for the
developers through services rendered and eventually all programs will be
free/open source. I have now converted the Rajya Sabha webpage into Hindi
and also IITBombay pages."

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#708 From: Sunny_Skies <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:57 pm
Subject:: Hail, O Tux !!!
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Tux, the penguin, is the generally accepted official logo for the
Linux operating system.

Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, chose Larry Ewing's design
simply because he likes penguins.

It is said that the name Tux was the winning entry in the
"Let's Name The Penguin While Linus Is Away Contest"
with the "T" standing for Torvalds and the "U" and "X" for Linux.
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Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin
really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they
have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess
of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say
if they had.
                                                      -- Linus Torvalds

Source - http://www.linux.org/info/penguin.html

#707 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:56 am
Subject:: Re: Human DNA researchers use Linux cluster supercomputer
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The 84-node, dual processor cluster ..., allows researchers
at Mount Allison to easily study how environmental factors
such as UV light and cigarette smoke damage human DNA.
---------------------------------------------------------
Nice article, Dr. Kant... thank you !!!

It is well known that ionizing radiation (x-rays, gamma rays...
even UV), can predispose to cancer. Ions formed in the tissue
cells under the influence of such radiation are highy reactive,
and can rupture DNA strands ... thus causing many mutations.

Chemical susbstances (carcinogens) can also cause mutations.
The carcinogens that cause the greatest number of deaths in
our present day society... are those in cigarette smoke.

About linux clusters ...
Supercomputers and clusters are very powerful tools. And linux
clusters are often used in the simulation of virtual
environments, AI etc.

Time-slicing has its limitations. But clusters give us the
ability to apply parallel processing to problems which were
considered unsolvable because of the limitations of time-slicing.

The inherent parallelism in a cluster allows tasks to be
broken up... and spread the computational load across a
number of machines.
In fact, the PVM (Parallel Virtual Machine) developed at
Oak Ridge National Labs is an unique parallel programming
environment. And what makes it unique is that it allows the
creation of a "closed" virtual environment for running parallel
programs on different hardware platforms.

Have a nice weekend...
~SS.

#706 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:10 am
Subject:: Human DNA researchers use Linux cluster supercomputer
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Researchers use IBM Linux supercomputing cluster to research DNA

Researchers at Mount Allison University are working to better understand how
human DNA is damaged and what drugs can be used to repair it, using a powerful
IBM Linux supercomputing cluster. The research will reduce the time it takes to
develop drug treatments for diseases such as cancer and Alzheimer’s.

The 84-node, dual processor cluster of IBM eServer xSeries running Linux, allows
researchers at Mount Allison to easily study how environmental factors such as
UV light and cigarette smoke damage human DNA. Using this data, the researchers
then study how human molecules ‘virtually react’ when exposed to various
drugs.

For details check out:
http://www.news-medical.net/view_article.asp?id=687

Regards,
-Tarun


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Tarun Kant, M.Sc., Ph.D.             -o)
Scientist C                          /\\
Biotechnology Laboratory            _\_V
Forest Genetics & Tree Breeding Division
Arid Forest Research Institute
New Pali Road
Jodhpur 342005 India
Phone: +91-291-2722269 ext. 162
Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/bobkant/
I'm Registered Linux User # 284692
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#705 From: Linux Fan <linuxeveryday@...>
Date:: Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:25 am
Subject:: Lindows files IPO
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Lindows files IPO

San Diego-based Lindows Inc. said today they have
filed a registration statement with the Securities and
Exchange Commission for an initial public offering of
its common stock. The SEC filing states the company
could raise $57.5 million in common stock. There is no
date expected for the offering.

Lindows's IPO will be made available through San
Francisco's WR Hambrecht + Co. via their Open IPO
auction. Hambrecht is listed as the lead manager of
the offering, with Roth Capital Partners acting as
co-manager.

Lindows's Linux desktop software is available for PCs
and laptop computers in homes, schools and businesses.
LindowsOS was renamed last week to Linspire as a
result of worldwide litigation lodged against the
company by Microsoft.

The SEC filing offers the first glimpse of the
financial situation of the company including a stated
$4M in losses against $2M in revenue. Details of legal
issues that the company is facing and pursuing are
revealed in the filing. One claim is against rival
Debian-based Linux desktop vendor Xandros.

Sources:
1. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2642992877.html
2.
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3342761
3. http://www.linuxworld.com/story/44564.htm

-LED




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#704 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:43 am
Subject:: Open-Source Users Offered Insurance Against SCO and Its Ilk
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Open-Source Users Offered Insurance Against SCO and Its Ilk

New York-based Open Source Risk Management is, starting today, offering what it
claims is "the industry's first and only vendor-neutral open-source
indemnification, providing users of the Linux kernel legal protection for around
3 percent a year of the maximum desired coverage; which is on par with other IP
defense insurance rates."

While OSRM also felt that lawsuits such as SCO's are legally weak, it recognized
that the business issue for Linux users was that even cases without merit cost
significant time and money to defend. "This is not about bad software; there is
nothing inherently more risky about using open source.

As SCO has sent about 1,500 of the largest global firms letters threatening
litigation over their use of the Linux operating system, which SCO alleges
infringes its intellectual-property rights, "OSRM will provide coordinated
legal-defense services for these potential SCO defendants, enabling them to
build a more powerful defense at significant cost savings.

OSRM's moves follow those by Hewlett-Packard Co., Novell Inc. and Red Hat Inc.
In September, HP announced that it would indemnify its customers against any
legal liability from the use of Linux. Novell of Provo, Utah, followed suit
early this year and set up a Linux Indemnification Program for its SuSE
Enterprise Linux customers, under certain conditions, with protection against
intellectual-property challenges to Linux and to help reduce the barriers to
Linux adoption in the enterprise.

Source: http://www.linux.net/news/story.php?newsid=119&topstory=1

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Scientist C                          /\\
Biotechnology Laboratory            _\_V
Forest Genetics & Tree Breeding Division
Arid Forest Research Institute
New Pali Road
Jodhpur 342005 India
Phone: +91-291-2722269 ext. 162
Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/bobkant/
I'm Registered Linux User # 284692
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#703 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:15 am
Subject:: " Pay No More !!! " ... said the Penguin
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Folks, here is a nice, little "linux" poem...

"The Penguin"  [Author - Brian Richardson]
--------------------------------------------
Once upon a Tuesday dreary,
   while I pondered, weak and weary,
Installing the same version
   of Windows once more.

While I cursed the constant crashing,
   I made a fist and started bashing,
Started bashing the computer case
   and CD-ROM drive door.

"Piece of crap," I muttered, bashing
   the CD-ROM drive door,
"I will take this crap no more!"

Distinctly I do remember,
   when I bought my PC in December,
The marketing man said this software
   would crash no more.

Eagerly I wished to borrow
   a tool to inflict pain and sorrow
So that one day, perhaps tomorrow,
   I could go to my computer store

For the chance to make the salesman
   sell this crap no more.
Only this and nothing more.

So after wasting countless hours,
   I unplugged the beige mini-tower.
My day was looking very tragic
   like the old poetry of gothic lore,

But suddenly there came a tapping,
   rhymthic like the beats of rapping.
Actually, it sounded like flippers flapping,
   flapping at my apartment door.

"That is very odd," I muttered,
   "the time is nearly half past four,
Who is knocking on my door?"

The door was opened but it only
   revealed a penguin standing quite lonely,
Standing with a bag of CD-ROMs
   on the stoop before my apartment door.

Thought at first it was a delusion,
   for I was wrought with great confusion
Over the presence of a flightless
   Antarctic bird at my apartment door.

So I stood there, looking quite the fool,
   with my jaw down to the floor.
Then the bird said, "Pay no more!"

I thought to call the SPCA ...
   perhaps it escaped the zoo today.
But instead I brought the talking
   Aptenodytes forsteri inside my door.

He looked around, he looked at me
   ... and then he waddled to my PC.
I followed fast and I did see him
   place his disc in my drive door.

His program booted and began to install
   software I'd never seen before,
Then the bird said, "Pay No More!"

He brought me LINUX to install,
   said it rarely crashed at all.
Then he showed me some books while
   the software installed some more.

The interface, it looked like UNIX ...
   but 'twas much cheaper than QNX.
In fact, the code was open, so the
   source of bugs was hidden no more

It me made wonder about the penguin's disc,
   behind my CD drive door ...
And why the bird said, "Pay No More."

So I tried this new installation,
   at first with fear and trepidation,
But soon I found it more stable
   than the OS I used before.

The files were in different places,
   and I put Linux through its paces
And very rarely made odd faces ...
   it didn't crash like Windows did before.

For this fat penguin made me see
   a way to use my computer as never before.
Then the bird said, "Pay No More!"

So once upon a morning sunny,
   I installed Linux for no money,
With the CD-ROM brought by a
   penguin to my apartment door.

After cursing the old installation,
   I reduced my overall frustration
And with a bit of determination
   I removed the software I used before.

Now I read Linux books and Web sites
   to use my free operating system more.
Quoth the penguin, "Pay No More."

#702 From: "saksham2000" <saksham2000@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:44 am
Subject:: Re: Permission problems...
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hi Himanshu,

Please try to change the mod of folder d using

chmod 777 -R /mnt/D

and look, if it helps.

In case it not..please post your /etc/fstab file as well.

Regards,
Shailesh


--- In SunCityJodhpurLUG@..., "Himanshu Singh Chauhan"
<digitalsecure@l...> wrote:
> --- In SunCityJodhpurLUG@..., Ripunjay Bararia
> <ripunjay@d...> wrote:
> > chown the full directory as
> >
> > chown -R root:root /mnt/back
> >
> > and then you will be the owner of the back directory/partition...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > drwxr--r--    8 root     root         8192 Jan  1  1970 D
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I am talking about above partition. I am logged in as digitalsecure
> and after su'ing I use chown -R digitalsecure:digitalsecure
/mnt/back
> It says
> "Changing ownership of /mnt/D: Operation not permitted"
>
> It belongs to root and as root I cannot change its ownership. Why?
>
> regards
> --Himanshu

#701 From: H S Rai <hsraidce@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:23 am
Subject:: Re: [SunnyLUG] Mandrake Linux 10.0 -My Initial Review
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Today at 12:20am -0700 Tarun Kant wrote:

>   This review is still not complete as I am still experimenting
>   with my system. This is my initial feedback on Mandrake Linux
>   10.0 Commuity release. Hopefully, I will come up with more on
>   this in a while.

Thank you for detailed report on Mandrake10. What about Hindi
support. I visited following link:

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/hi.php3

Its rendering was not good on RH9. It may require latest KDE or
GNOME.

--
H.S.Rai    http://www.grex.org/~hsrai | Registered Linux User # 223684
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=223684

:
####[ GNU/Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]#######################

Sub : Changing ownerships (users & groups)           LOST #255

To change the ownership of a file to a particular owner/ group
combination, there is no need to run chown & chgrp seperately.
It can be done in a single step as follows:
#chown user.group filename (or directoryname)

####[bish (at) nde.vsnl.net.in]###############################
:

#700 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:20 am
Subject:: Mandrake Linux 10.0 -My Initial Review
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Friends,
I have been a fan of Mandrake Linux since the very beginnig. And have lived
through all their releases. Though I never tried out 9.2. This time I went from
Mandrake 9.1 straight to Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community release. The biggest
change in 10.0 release has been the implementation of Kernel 2.6. My current
version has, precisely, the kernel "2.6.3-4mdk". It also includes the latest
releases of KDE (3.2) and GNOME (2.4); a very attractive default theme called,
Mandrakegalaxy 2; a very well reorganized menu structure; and a new control
center named Mandrakelinux Control Center (MCC). Also the new tool -Magicdev,
which provides auto-play functionality comes in really handy: insert a CD
Magicdev launches the appropriate application. One need not even remember that
there are the mount/unmount commands. And I am impressed by the CD writing front
end called K3B. It is the best CD burning software I have ever come across in
both the Linux and the Windows world.

BUT, this is the first release which has disappointed me a little bit. And
ironically, the problems I have had on my office PC with Mandrake all vanished
away, but my trouble-free smooth-sailer home PC developed a hand-full of them. I
would like to start telling you the saga from the installation onwards.

Looking at the Mandrake Linux 10.0 community CD (3 in number) I was really
excited. So on the weekend I started out with my Office PC which is a Zenith's
Intel P4 1.6 GHz based machine. So I  placed the CD#1 into the CD drive and
booted the machine. And to my shock. Nothing happened. I tried several times,
but the vmlinuz just failed to kick-in. Thinking that probably the CD numbering
may have been wrong, I booted the system, this time with CD#2. And bingo !!! the
installation process started. But soon I was told that this is not the
installation CD. Frustrated, I replaced this CD with CD#1 again and hit enter
(without rebooting). And the installation to my surprized just continued from
there. Now friends this is something serious and I would like to bring it to the
attantion of all those interested in Mandrake 10, that you have to boot your
machine with CD#2  and then, switch back to CD#1 when told - "this is not the
installation CD" without rebooting. This is kind of a strange problem and I a
very much surprized that mandrake people didn't look into this problem before
putting up the ISOs on the community sites. I don't know if this problem exists
with the commercial releases by Mandrake"

Now I went for the usual kind of graphical installation and selected all the
packages except for the servers. Installation went on pretty smoothly followed
by a post install configuration. I was then asked to specify the root password.
I did it but just got stuck at that point. I retried the whole thing again but
installation just got stuck at that very point. This is quite strange to have
happened. And all my earlier Mandrake installations have been a piece of cake.
So I tried another strategy. I installed the system without any additional
packages. I unselected all the packages except for those needed for a minimal
system with X server and KDE. And viola !!!...installation got completed without
a single hitch. Later on I installed all the packages that I use and the system
didn't let me down this time. I still don't know why I had the problem in the
first place.

Now came the task of configurig the network on my machine. My office PC is on a
network served by Red Hat Linux on an HCL server. Internet and mail services are
through this network connected to the rest of the world through a leased line. I
have never been able to get network services up and running with older Mandrake
releases (upto 9.1). So this was the most important issue. I had, with earlier
Mandrake releases, tried all posible things to hook up to the network, but just
couldn't succeed. Every parameter would be right, but the destination host would
always  be unreachable and I would have 100% packet loss. I had even tried my
luck with other LAN cards, but nothing had ever worked. So this was the most
important thing I wanted to test. I don't know why but I had this hunch that
with this new release, I will get past this problem. And I did. In the very
fisrt go, I got hooked up to the network. And this mail comes to you from my
Mandrake 10.0 machine.

I find this release very nice apart from the problems I had stated (which I have
overcone on my Office machine). Mandrakelinux 10.0 is full of goodies for all.
And above all my dream of using my favourite distro also at office has finaly
been cherised. I should rather say, I am now living that dream. The problem of
not getting onto the network was keeping me away from using it earlier. And that
was the only problem. Earlier I have used Red Hat 7.3, Fedora Core 1 and most of
the time ELX Biz Desk 2.0, which I felt was a light yet good distro. ELX as you
may be aware is a "Made-in-India" distro. ELX had some shortcomings and I had to
tweak it manually to make it the way I wanted it. Once tweaked, it served me
very well. And I loved it for being so peppy. But now I have replaced it with
Mandrake 10.0.

The story is not over yet. I have just told you half of it -the one with my
office PC. But what happened with my Mandrake 10 try on my home PC which is
pretty much similar in terms of specs to my office PC. It's also a Zenith make
P4 1.5 GHz machine with 128 MB RAM (1/2 of what I have in my office one). So
this Sunday after I finished gardening in the mornig, I went straight to my
study room and started out with the installation....and yes with the CD#2 first
followed by CD#1 to 3. The installation went off smooth. And I finished
installation in around 20 minutes. I rebooted and it looked pretty OK initially.
But soon I found out that something was wrong. My mouse pointer would freeze now
and then for a second ot two. Same happened with appications. When I started
OpenOffice.org 1.1 Writer, it took exceptionally longer to start than it used to
earlier. This was not happening with my Office machine however. And when I
started typing, the characters though started appearing but with a delay. Then I
found out that XMMS would self terminate as soon I would try to play any MP3 or
OGG file. All these thing took me aback a bit. My 'system monitor' was not
telling me anything strange or unusual happening. So to see if KDE 3.2 is the
culprit, I started IceWM session and believe me it worked trouble free. So
pointer freezes, no XMMS dying, nothing strange. Then I did another experiment.
I also installed the kernel 2.4. And then booted into Mandrake 10.0 with kernel
2.4 running. This time KDE behaved properly. No pointer freezings, and no lag
between character typing and appearance. Though XMMS always died whenever I
tried playing with KDE 2.3.

This review is still not complete as I am still experimenting with my system.
This is my initial feedback on Mandrake Linux 10.0 Commuity release. Hopefully,
I will come up with more on this in a while.

Regards,
-Tarun
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#699 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:35 am
Subject:: Re: [SunnyLUG] Re: No to slavery codecs
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Thanks Mr. Rai for bringing up such an important, a very sensitive yet highly
politicized issue up at SunnyLUG. This is also very closely related to another
issue that I was talking about in my last week's mail -"The Java Trap"
I personally believe, and very strongly that releasing software as open source
is must for the sake of humanity. Yes humanity, because a lot depende on the way
software development charts its evolution course. If a good software is released
as proprietary, the talents around the world will never be able to improve it
further and the evolutiiion of it will end then and there. But then there is a
flip side to it. If some one releses a software as proprieraty and the source
code is never made public. Then this may lead to development of a still better
one from scratch by the developers. And Linux is the example in front, of such a
thing.
The other thing I would like to say about is the term free attached with
software. Again there are two things. The software my be opensourse and hence
free as in freedom but my not be free as in free lunch. And I think that is
perfectly OK. Charging for a software should not be a problem by its creator as
long as he releases the source code. And one should also be clear about what is
freeware and what is opensource.
As for the leagle issues are concerned, I do not totally agree with Raj Mathur
who writes:
[SNIP]
Remember -- it's not the tool that is illegal, it's the use to which
it is put by an individual that is or is not.
[/SNIP]
This may be right in parts but I do not agree with the philosophy that
developing a tool just to  mess around with others (and I know Raj didn't mean
that). For example dwriting a virus or a worm. A virus will qualify as a tool in
all respects. But with the only intention of causing something wrong. Though I
fully agree that tools should be made but with good intentions. Someone will
however always be able to find ways to use it for the destructive and unlawful
purposes. You can make a axe to cut some wood, and also to fell trees. The first
use of axe is ok but the second one is unlawful. But if you make an electric
chair, the purpose will only be execution on some one. You can't use it for
sometig else.

Himanshu asked an important question "Can A.R. Rehmanand Anu Malik be passionate
enough to release their compositions for free?" My opinion to this is that thay
would like to earn profits out of their compositions. But I feel that any music
composer should after say 6 months of original release should come out with say
an .ogg release of his tracks. That will really be a healthy thing.

Regards
-Tarun


--- H S Rai <hsraidce@...> wrote:
Today at 3:15am -0000 Himanshu Singh Chauhan wrote:

>   When proprietary software was dominating the market,
>   we came out with Free software. The "DVD John" and
>   now the "FairPlay" are being opposed because of
>   *proprietary* music.
>
>   Can Free Music be answer to it? Can A.R. Rehman
>   and Anu Malik be passionate enough to release their
>   compositions for free?

Proprietary things will not vanish nor `Free'

Please visit: http://www.gutenberg.net/

Some interesting view are below, Interested reader can follow thread
on Linux-India-General and fsf-friends mailing lists.

The unintended views are of Raj Mathur.

     Viksit> I'm totally with the "Freedom to create and distribute"
     Viksit> tag. But, what if you think from the corporate viewpoint?

     Viksit> Suppose my company (i dont work for any, btw :) has spent
     Viksit> a million bucks in developing and promoting a technology,
     Viksit> would I like it if someone was to develop something which
     Viksit> circumvents my security measures and possibly eat into or
     Viksit> even trivialize my profits?

You may not like it but you'd have to live with it.  Just as you have
the right to embed security into your software, others have the right
to study, hack and bypass that security.

I think you're missing the important point here -- stealing music is
illegal, but providing tools that MAY be used to steal music isn't.
If we support the banning of tools that may possibly be used for
illegal purposes we'll have to ban just about everything -- starting
with computers, Winduhs, Linux, gdb, nmap, C compilers, Perl, netstat,
ping, mutt, Emacs, EVERYTHING!

     Viksit> As the management in charge of the company, I might
     Viksit> *personally* appreciate original work being done by
     Viksit> hackers and the community in general, but officially?
     Viksit> Arent they just a pain which i'd want to counter ASAP?

No.  If you want to protect your music don't protect the people who
write software -- prosecute those who use the software to perform
illegal acts.

Remember -- it's not the tool that is illegal, it's the use to which
it is put by an individual that is or is not.

However in this case the right to innovate, even if it
hurts a business, has not been assigned or declined.  Apple is
assuming that they do have the right to stop development and
propagation of a program that may hurt their business.  I believe that
we should fight that assumption.

If we do fight, the outcome is unclear.  The free software community,
the hacker community, all of us may lose.  However it's not on my
agenda to lie back and accept the inevitable, and inevitable it
certainly shall be if we don't question the whole basis of Apple's
legality in sending the notice.
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#698 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:42 pm
Subject:: Re: Free but shackled - the Java trap : RMS
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If your program is free software, it is basically ethical -
but there is a trap you must be on guard for. Your program,
though in itself free, may be restricted by non-free software
that it depends on. Since the problem is most prominent
today for Java programs, we call it the Java Trap........
---------------------------------------------------------------
An useful reminder, Dr. Kant... thank you...

A typical Sun copyright statement says -- [Source : SUN website]

"Sun Microsystems, Inc (SUN) hereby grants to you a fully-paid,
non-exclusive, nontransferable, perpetual, worldwide, limited
license (without right to sublicense) under SUN's intellectual
property rights that are essential to practice the specification
that: (i) include a complete implementation of the current version
of this specification without subsetting or supersetting
(ii) implement all the interface and fuctionality of the standard
java.* packages as defined by SUN, without supersetting (iii) do
not add any additional packages, classes or methods to the
java.* packages (iv) pass all test suites relating to the most
recent published version of this specification that are available
from SUN six months prior to any beta release of the clean room
implementation or upgrade thereto (v) do not derive from SUN source
code or binary materials and (vi) do not include any SUNbinary
materials without an appropriate and separate license from SUN."
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Cool ... perfect legal mumbo-jumbo.
Now I know why lawyers make so much money...  :-)

~SS

#697 From: H S Rai <hsraidce@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:09 am
Subject:: Re: [SunnyLUG] Re: No to slavery codecs
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Today at 3:15am -0000 Himanshu Singh Chauhan wrote:

>   When proprietary software was dominating the market,
>   we came out with Free software. The "DVD John" and
>   now the "FairPlay" are being opposed because of
>   *proprietary* music.
>
>   Can Free Music be answer to it? Can A.R. Rehman
>   and Anu Malik be passionate enough to release their
>   compositions for free?

Proprietary things will not vanish nor `Free'

Please visit: http://www.gutenberg.net/

Some interesting view are below, Interested reader can follow thread
on Linux-India-General and fsf-friends mailing lists.

The unintended views are of Raj Mathur.

     Viksit> I'm totally with the "Freedom to create and distribute"
     Viksit> tag. But, what if you think from the corporate viewpoint?

     Viksit> Suppose my company (i dont work for any, btw :) has spent
     Viksit> a million bucks in developing and promoting a technology,
     Viksit> would I like it if someone was to develop something which
     Viksit> circumvents my security measures and possibly eat into or
     Viksit> even trivialize my profits?

You may not like it but you'd have to live with it.  Just as you have
the right to embed security into your software, others have the right
to study, hack and bypass that security.

I think you're missing the important point here -- stealing music is
illegal, but providing tools that MAY be used to steal music isn't.
If we support the banning of tools that may possibly be used for
illegal purposes we'll have to ban just about everything -- starting
with computers, Winduhs, Linux, gdb, nmap, C compilers, Perl, netstat,
ping, mutt, Emacs, EVERYTHING!

     Viksit> As the management in charge of the company, I might
     Viksit> *personally* appreciate original work being done by
     Viksit> hackers and the community in general, but officially?
     Viksit> Arent they just a pain which i'd want to counter ASAP?

No.  If you want to protect your music don't protect the people who
write software -- prosecute those who use the software to perform
illegal acts.

Remember -- it's not the tool that is illegal, it's the use to which
it is put by an individual that is or is not.

However in this case the right to innovate, even if it
hurts a business, has not been assigned or declined.  Apple is
assuming that they do have the right to stop development and
propagation of a program that may hurt their business.  I believe that
we should fight that assumption.

If we do fight, the outcome is unclear.  The free software community,
the hacker community, all of us may lose.  However it's not on my
agenda to lie back and accept the inevitable, and inevitable it
certainly shall be if we don't question the whole basis of Apple's
legality in sending the notice.
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#696 From: "Himanshu Singh Chauhan" <digitalsecure@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:15 am
Subject:: Re: No to slavery codecs
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Hello All!

When proprietary software was dominating the market,
we came out with Free software. The "DVD John" and
now the "FairPlay" are being opposed because of
*proprietary* music.

Can Free Music be answer to it? Can A.R. Rehman
and Anu Malik be passionate enough to release their
compositions for free?

regards
--Himanshu

#695 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:43 am
Subject:: Re: No to slavery codecs
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A snippet from the forwarded mail --
"Let us stay focused on making the free and open software
and standards in music more accessible to more people."
--------------------------------------------------------
Ah... open software ... and I am reminded of Kerberos,
the authentication system.

Kerberos was developed as open software. So, its
development was open to review, and lots of people
contributed to it. Open development ensured that a wide
variety of viewpoints and needs were addressed in Kerberos.

Unfortunately... its open development history is lacking
proper documentation. Although the developers of Kerberos
have been careful to log its changes and evolution...
to this day, it is hard to find a good textbook on Kerberos.

However, the MIT folks have done a magnificent job. Kerberos
is freely available and it has gained in popularity (especially
with its addition as part of the security support in Win2000)...
... and its popularity is growing...

Thanks to the MIT development team for making a sophisticated
security system freely available. A truly magnanimous gesture !!

~SS

#694 From: H S Rai <hsraidce@...>
Date:: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:26 pm
Subject:: No to slavery codecs
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Read burning issue below:

--
H.S.Rai

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:19:13 +0530
From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj@...>
To: Raj Mathur <raju@...>, fsf-friends@...
Subject: [Fsf-friends] Say no to slavery and proprietary codecs

Raj Mathur wrote:

>>>>>>"sdg" == Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu@...> writes:
>
>    sdg> Hey, Looks like Apple has unleashed it's lawyers upon
>    sdg> sarovar.org for hosting fairplay.
>    sdg> http://sarovar.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=474
>
>No, I don't agree with the project being taken down.  Enough
>arm-twisting by corporates who want to protect their ``Intellectual
>Property'' by killing innovation and the individual hacker (not
>cracker!).  If the project is taken down it will create a bad
>precedent in India, which will eventually lead to DMCA, PATRIOT and
>similar restrictions being placed on Indian developers without anyone
>having raised his/her voice against it.
>
>Sarovar, CVR, etc, please fight this case.  And to put my money where
>my mouth is, I'm putting in Rs. 1000 to help you get a lawyer.  I'm
>also forwarding this message to more lists and requesting people to
>come up and help defray your legal costs.
>
>Please set up some sort legal fund and fight!
>
Decoding codecs is not per se unlawful:  In the DVD Jon case, decryption
of DVD codecs that enjoy a similar `protection' have been held to be
legal by an European Court, and in my humble opinion, the reasoning in
that decision ought to hold good against anyone else also.   The
judgment and documents relating to this case are available at:
http://efn.no/jonjohansen-en.html .

We have suffered the hardships imposed by East India Company.  If any
one has the wrong notions about taking our freedoms casually or lightly,
they should be dealt with severly in accordance with law, and brought to
justice.

But let us also not give any undeserved free publicity to proprietary
companies.  Let us stay focused on making the free and open software and
standards in music more accessible to more people.
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#693 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:09 am
Subject:: LINSPIRE -the new name for Lindows
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Lindows, Inc. Announces New Product Name: "Linspire"

"We have partnerships with hard disk, motherboard, laptop and desktop companies
that want to ship our software to their worldwide market," said Michael
Robertson, chief executive officer of Lindows, Inc. "By renaming our product, we
are able to facilitate distribution of low-cost, easy-to-use desktop Linux."

"Despite our victories in the United States and overseas, a name change is still
necessary to counter Microsoft's strategy to sue us in courts around the world.
We're hoping that this puts a halt on the international lawsuits. A Microsoft
spokesperson has publicly stated that 'We're only asking that Lindows change
their name' which is what we have done."

Linspire is similar in features and capabilities to LindowsOS, but will have
Linspire branding throughout. Current users of LindowsOS will not be affected
and an upgrade is not required.

Legal Battle to Continue for Right to Use "Lindows" Brand in the United States.
The two-year-old case between Lindows and Microsoft over the trademark "windows"
will continue in the United States.

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#692 From: "Himanshu Singh Chauhan" <digitalsecure@...>
Date:: Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:27 am
Subject:: Re: Free but shackled - the Java trap : RMS
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Hello All!

Thanx Tarun! Wonderful article.

> "Free but shackled - the Java trap" By Richard M. Stallman
> Available at:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/13/1081621949401.html

It is something that we all must be careful about.
Its true that free software don't mean anything if
they require non-free systems to run on.

Java being a particular example. The compiler is
freely available to download but it is not "FREE"
in our sense as no source code and no liberty to
modify the classes.

RMS is also calling for development of FREE classes
for java. As he mentions in the last para.

[QUOTE]
We are trying to rescue the trapped Java programs, so if you like the
Java language, we invite you to help in developing GNU Classpath.
Trying your programs with the the GJC Compiler and GNU Classpath, and
reporting any problems you encounter in classes already implemented,
is also useful. However, finishing GNU Classpath will take time; if
more non-free libraries continue to be added, we may never have all
the latest ones
[/QUOTE]

Another big movement by a great hacker.

regards
--Himanshu

#691 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:24 am
Subject:: Mandrake Linux 10.0 in Hindi
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Friends,
Mandrake Linux is available in 66 languages and Hindi is one of them. Check out
the following link and you will be pleasently surprised:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/hi.php3
To know about what other languages are supported check out:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/translations.php3
Regards
-Tarun


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#690 From: Tarun Kant <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:01 am
Subject:: Free but shackled - the Java trap : RMS
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An Excellent commentary entitled:
"Free but shackled - the Java trap" By Richard M. Stallman
Available at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/13/1081621949401.html

[SNIP]
If your program is free software, it is basically ethical - but there is a trap
you must be on guard for. Your program, though in itself free, may be restricted
by non-free software that it depends on. Since the problem is most prominent
today for Java programs, we call it the Java Trap........

......To keep your Java code safe from the Java Trap, install a free Java
development environment and use it. More generally, whatever language you use,
keep your eyes open, and check the free status of programs your code depends on.
The easiest way to verify that program is free is by looking for it in the Free
Software Directory (http://www.fsf.org/directory). If a program is not in the
directory, you can check its licence(s) against the list of free software
licences (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html)..........
[/SNIP]

Regards
-Tarun


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#689 From: "Himanshu Singh Chauhan" <digitalsecure@...>
Date:: Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:59 pm
Subject:: Re: HOWTO: Stop Forwarding Spam
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> So Ripunjay I guess every one will surely welcome your protocol to
the spam
> free life.
> -Tarun

Well Tarun, Ripunjay's protocol is to get into noman's land ;-)
We'll all go there, who will live on this earth? LOL

Himanshu

#688 From: "Tarun Kant" <tarunkant@...>
Date:: Fri Apr 9, 2004 8:06 am
Subject:: Re: [SunnyLUG] HOWTO: Stop Forwarding Spam
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> <ripunjay@...> i have a still easier way.....


Great, we would love to know it.
We all have been victims of spam for a long time now. And now most of us are
victims of another kind of crime. Our e-mail ID's are being used to send
spam to others.
So Ripunjay I guess every one will surely welcome your protocol to the spam
free life.
-Tarun





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#687 From: "anu2001_r" <sunnyskies2001@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:57 pm
Subject:: Re: Fork in Linux Road?
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A thought provoking article, very nice. Thanks !!!

From the article --
"... And these distributions will have some differences
after all, it is a competitive market, and vendors do have
to differentiate their products. But the distributions
will all still be Linux, and they will all share the same
underlying kernel and code base. ..."
----------------------------------------------------------

And I am reminded of Richard Stallman, who wrote ...

"I consider that the golden rule requires that if I like
a program I must share it with other people who like it.
Software sellers want to divide the users and conquer them,
making each user agree not to share with others.

I refuse to break solidarity with other users in this way.
I cannot in good conscience sign a nondisclosure agreement
or a software license agreement.

So that I can continue to use computers without dishonor,
I have decided to put together a sufficient body of free
software so that I will be able to get along without any
software that is not free."

                - Richard Stallman, Founder of GNU Project
                [The GNU Manifesto]

#686 From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred@...>
Date:: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:30 pm
Subject:: Linux Magazine... and old issues online
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From: Martin Streicher <mstreicher-nospam-@...>
Subject: COMMERCIAL: May 2004 issue of Linux Magazine available April 13
Date: 11 Apr 2004 03:40:13 GMT


Linux Professionals:

The May 2004 issue of Linux Magazine (http://www.linux-mag.com) will be
available on newsstands beginning April 13th.

May's feature stories introduce Subversion 1.0, take an in-depth look
at open role-playing games, and review the state of Linux on the
PowerPC processor architecture.

In addition, the May issue of Linux Magazine adds two new monthly
columns: Law student and MBA Nicholas Well's "On the Docket" focuses on
legal issues, such as vendor indemnity and flavors of open source
licenses, while MySQL guru Jeremy Zawodny pens "Advanced MySQL". The
new columns join Randal Schwartz's clever "Perls of Wisdom", Jerry
Peek's instructive "Power Tools", Rod Smith's system administration
"Guru Guidance", and more than eight other columns focused on putting
Linux to work.


A table of contents appears below.

Back issues of Linux Magazine are available for free (registration not
required) at http://www.linux-mag.com. The magazine is available on
newsstands in all major book and news retailers.

Martin Streicher
Editor-in-Chief, Linux Magazine
mstreicher -at- linux-mag dot com



Linux Magazine
May 2004
Table of Contents

Features

The "Other" Linux by Dan Burcaw

Move over, Intel. Linux and PowerPC are in the fast lane. Linux on
Intel is driving the commoditization of computing. But it's not the
only game in town, nor is it the only combination of software and
hardware with influence. Linux also runs on PowerPC processors --
including IBM's POWER series, Apple's G5, and other embeddable cores --
and runs well. Here's a look at the "other" Linux, the one that runs on
PPC.

Subversion 101 by William Nagel

The new open source version control promises to obsolete CVS. While CVS
is the de facto standard for revision control in the world of Open
Source, that doesn't mean CVS is popular or perfect. To some
developers, CVS is simply a necessary evil. But now there's an
alternative to CVS. Read on for a look at the just-released Subversion
1.0.

Brave New Worlds by Howard Wen

Open-source game developers work hard to play harder. A number of open
source projects, including WorldForge and NeL, are redefining the
frontiers of massively-multiplayer gaming. Take a peek at the games,
the gearheads, and the gizmos that make play work.


Columns

Do It Yourself: MythTV: The Open Source PVR by Jeremy Zawodny

On the Docket: Indemnification and SCO's Demands by Nicholas Wells

The Hard Way: How Not to Build a Linux PDA by Jason Perlow

Power Tools: Great Command-line Combinations by Jerry Peek

Guru Guidance: A First Look at the New CIFS Driver by Roderick W. Smith

Extreme Linux: 64-bit Computing with SGI's Altix by Forrest Hoffman

Perl of Wisdom: Using Perl/Tk for Simple Graphing by Randal L. Schwartz

Tech Support: Using Logwatch and Watching DVDs by Jeremy Garcia

LAMP Post: Picture It with JpGraph by Michael Bordash

MySQL: Replication Tips and Tricks in MySQL by Jeremy Zawodny

Zonker's Product Picks by Joe "Zonker" Brockmeier

Shutdown: Converting Joe Windows by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

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