I agree with you fully on the Andamanese cell test controversy. Any
hi-tech attempt to know the Andamanese primitive human community may
not give a better life to the Andamanese, nor can it be helpful any
way towards shaping their lives in line with the changing lyfestyles
of the modern communities living in A&N. I hope the scientific
community will make all efforts to SAVE the indegenous cultural
identity of the Andamanese by avoiding any blood sample test on them.
This is just my personal opinion.

Dr. Santosh
Conservation Himalayas
Chandigarh, India
--- Sena <sena@...> wrote:

> to understand a person different from your way- you have to live
> with
> him/her ...
> in order to understand what love is - you have to love...
>
> We are spiritual beings - even the ones who think they are not
> spiritual.
> In the face of death they will know :-)
>
> You can sample as much blood as you want - you will not understand
> anything.
>
> Live with these tribes and love all of them on a daily basis - then
> you
> might have a chance to understand who they are.
>
> All this so called scientific approach is just ridiculous.
>
> This money could be used much more wisely to help the ones who want
> "scientific" help.
> Leave the ones who do not want your "help' alone.
> Just stay out of it.
>
> Your couriosity will kill them.
> Once you sample their blood you will find a way to infect them,make
> them
> sick and wipe them out.
>
> LEARN through Love
> Respect other ways of life
>
> and by the way: you will never become an artist by sampling my
> blood :-)
>
> so just fugetaboutit
> Sena
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> On Thu, November 1, 2007 4:11 am, Pankaj Andaman wrote:
> > I don't think it is just a matter of taking a few samples of
> blood, that
> > this will not kill anybody, that the scientific outcomes are
> useful and
> > exciting and therefore there should be no problem.
> > The matter is a complex one and there have been and continue to
> be a
> > number of debates on this.
> > There are, for instance a number of detailed guidelines
> (international
> > and national) on how this kind of research should be carried out
> and if
> > we look at these we will get a sense of the complexities.
> >
> > I do have a number of these guidelines and I am posting here a
> section
> > of the guidelines put together in the year 2000 (or about that
> time) by
> > the Govt. of India's Department of Biotechnology (DBT).
> > Those who might be interested in receiving the entire set of the
> DBT
> > guidelines or the other ones, please write to me and I will send
> > whatever I have on my computer.
> >
> > The guidelines is a detailed document with the following main
> heads. I
> > am also posting below that the full details of the section under
> > consent. It is important to find out that these and all related
> issues
> > have been dealt with by any researcher including Dr. Lalji Singh
> > pankaj
> >
> > ETHICAL POLICIES ON THE HUMAN GENOME, GENETIC RESEARCH AND
> SERVICES. DBT
> >
> >
> > PREAMBLE
> > MEMBERSHIP OF THE NATIONAL BIOETHICS COMMITTEE
> > INTRODUCTION
> >
> >
> > POLICIES
> > Integrity, Respect and Beneficence
> > Justice
> > Consent
> >
> > Gene Therapy & Human Cloning
> > Genetic Testing and Counselling
> > Genetic Privacy and Discrimination
> > Intellectual Property Rights and Benefit Sharing
> >
> >
> > DNA and Cell-line Banking
> > International Collaboration
> > IMPLEMENTATION OF ETHICAL POLICIES
> > Categories of Human Biological Materials
> >
> > CONSENT
> > Consent
> >
> > Before recruitment of any individual/group in human genome and
> genetic
> > research, consent of the participants must be obtained.
> >
> > The ethical and legal requirements of consent have two aspects:
> the
> > provision of information and the capacity to make a voluntary
> choice. So
> > as to conform with ethical and legal requirements, obtaining
> consent
> > should involve :
> >
> > (a) provision to participants, at their level of comprehension
> and in a
> > language or method understandable to them, of information about
> the
> > purpose, methods, demands, risks, inconveniences, discomforts,
> and
> > possible outcomes of the research; and
> >
> > (b) the exercise of a voluntary choice to participate.
> >
> > Where a participant lacks competence to consent, a person with
> lawful
> > authority to decide for that participant must be provided with
> that
> > information and exercise that choice.
> >
> > It is, therefore, recommended that :
> >
> > (i) A researcher must explain the purpose of the research, the
> > foreseeable risks and benefits of participation and alternative
> > procedures, if any.
> >
> > (ii) Consent obtained from each participant, and the
> participating group
> > (where applicable), must be documented.
> >
> > (iii) Consent is valid only for the research for which it is
> given by
> > the participant (primary use). If the information or samples for
> primary
> > use are to be used for other purposes or for sharing with other
> > investigators (secondary use), clear mention of such secondary
> uses must
> > be made during the process of obtaining informed consent. New
> consent
> > must be taken for any use for which consent was not explicitly
> obtained.
> > However this will not be required if the sample is used as an
> > "Unidentified" or "Unlinked" sample.
> >
> > (iv) Consent from a potential participant who is a minor or is so
> > handicapped that she/he is incapable of providing informed
> consent
> > (e.g., persons who are legally incompetent, physically or
> mentally
> > challenged) may be taken from a close biological relative, such
> as
> > parents, sibling, or from a legally authorized representative.
> For a
> > mentally ill person, a psychiatrist should certify his/her
> capability of
> > providing voluntary informed consent.
> >
> > (v) If information pertaining to a deceased individual is
> required, this
> > information may be obtained from a close biological relative or
> from a
> > legally authorized representative.
> >
> > (vi) Data pertinent to research may be collected on relatives of
> a
> > participant, provided that no information revealing the identity
> of the
> > relative is collected.
> >
> >
> > 1. (vii) When research pertains to a specific community (e.g., an
> ethnic
> > group, an organization of patients), it is desirable to obtain
> group
> > consent before obtaining individual consent. Group consent must
> also be
> > documented.
> >
> > (viii) Consent of parents must be taken for collection and use of
> > biological material from a dead foetus for the purpose of
> research.
> >
> > (ix) For research based on information in databases or samples in
> > repositories,
> >
> > (a) no consent of the donor/ participant will be required if the
> > information/ samples are unidentified,
> >
> > (b) individual informed consent of the donor/ participant will be
> > required if the information/ samples are identified,
> >
> > (c) individual informed consent of the donor/ participant will be
> > required if the information/ samples are coded, unless the
> owner(s) of
> > the database or repository and the research investigator mutually
> agree
> > not to provide/ receive the research findings based on the
> information/
> > samples.
> >
> > (x) For research based on human biological materials collected
> during
> > and as part of a clinical procedure or medical care, an informed
> consent
> > for research use of the samples should be obtained separately
> from that
> > obtained for the clinical procedure.
> >
> > (xi) A person may refuse to participate in a research project or
> > withdraw from a research project without giving any reason or
> > justification.
> >
> > ---------------------------
> >
> > Lima Rosalind wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree with Rauf too. I too would be delighted if any one can
> throw
> >> some
> >> light on the antecedents of this tribe. ASI has been trying for
> years to
> >> get
> >> this underway and Iam glad its finally in place.
> >>
> >> Lima Rosalind
> >>
> >> On 11/1/07, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com
> >> <mailto:zubairpbl%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I agree with Mr Rauf on this one. Who said that tribes will
> be killed
> >> to
> >> > extract blood sample from them? It is going to open a new
> world of
> >> > scientific and anthropological study. Can anyone shed light
> on how
> >> the DNA
> >> > study will make the tribals extinct. Zubair
> >> >
> >> > On 11/1/07, Rauf Ali <raufie05@yahoo. co.in
> >> <mailto:raufie05%40yahoo.co.in> <raufie05%40yahoo. co.in>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Lets be clear about one thing. Andaman tribals are
> >> > > going extinct, not because ASI has set up a lab to
> >> > > study their DNA, but because of the refusal of the A &
> >> > > N Administration to follow their own guidelines.
> >> > >
> >> > > A little DNA sampling from some museum is not going to
> >> > > make any difference of the survival or otherwise, of
> >> > > these tribals. And I, for one, would be fascinated by
> >> > > any light shed on where these people originated from.
> >> > > ASI is to be commended and not slandered for making
> >> > > this effort.
> >> > >
> >> > > In despair,
> >> > > Rauf Ali
> >> > >
> >> > > PS You can start flaming me now.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- shankar narayanan <shankar_blume@ yahoo.de
> >> <mailto:shankar_blume%40yahoo.de> <shankar_blume% 40yahoo.de>
> <shankar_
> >> blume%40yahoo. de>>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > hallo madhushree and others,
> >> > > > i was just looking through the mails and i was
> >> > > > furious to read that a advanced DNA lab has been
> >> > > > established by ASI . and then that CCMB is looking
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > blood samples of the hunter gatherer tribes of
> >> > > > Andaman
> >> > > > to save the genetic lineage of these adivasi
> >> > > > communities even if they are destroyed! really good
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > read your mail and those of others who also feel
> >> > > > indignant about all this politics of hightech
> >> > > > science.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > all this once again brings up the question, to
> >> > > > defend
> >> > > > the remaining hunter gatherer communities and to
> >> > > > stop
> >> > > > genocide and destruction globally dont we have to
> >> > > > confront civilisation as such with all its toxic
> >> > > > ideology ?
> >> > > > warm greetings
> >> > > > shankar
> >> > > > --- Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...
> <mailto:lopchu%40att.net>
> >> <lopchu%40att. net><lopchu% 40att.net> > schrieb:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I can't be the only one who finds the tone of this
> >> > > > > piece extraordinarily offensive. In what sense
> >> > > > does
> >> > > > > an immortal cell line come to the rescue of a
> >> > > > tribe?
> >> > > > > Is that all there is to a people and their
> >> > > > > extraordinary complexity? Can any sane person
> >> > > > > imagine that a bunch of cells in a petri dish even
> >> > > > > remotely approximates a human being, let alone an
> >> > > > > entire tribe and its culture? And what about the
> >> > > > > individuals, their lives, their loves, their
> >> > > > dreams,
> >> > > > > their futures? We take away their land, their
> >> > > > means
> >> > > > > of survival, we kill them off and appropriate
> >> > > > their
> >> > > > > genetic information for our use... and call that a
> >> > > > > rescue?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I never thought I'd say this, but thank heavens
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > > the red tape that keeps Lalji Singh from rescuing
> >> > > > > the Andamanese.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Madhusree
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> >> > > > > removed]
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los
> >> > > > geht's:
> >> > > > http://de.yahoo. com/set <http://de.yahoo.com/set>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ------------ --------- ----
> >> > > Rauf Ali
> >> > > Aurodam
> >> > > Auroville- 605 101
> >> > >
> >> > > Cell: 94437 47146
> >> > >
> >> > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know
> how, go
> >> to
> >> > > http://help. yahoo.com/ l/in/yahoo/ mail/yahoomail/
> tools/tools-
> >> 08.html
> >>
>
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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