my two bit wisae words Rauf,....though numbers are not forthcoming on the
sentinelese for obvious reasons, the shompen like youve said are close by in the
range you have mentioned. the last real census happened during Shabnam's tenure
some years ago, though subsequently there have been many post tsunami estimates
and guesstimates regarding their numbers. Contact has occurred via contact
expeditions, census operations, photographers, fishermen, researchers,
administrators, poachers, tourists activists, tribal welfare coconut and honey
mongers, ...am running out of nomenclature for the miriad hues of contact..it
should suffice to say that contact is ongoing and real. Vishvajit has written
about some such historical encounters with regard to the Sentinelese..he will be
able to provide information in this regard.
 
Moving away from the quantitative concern on demography, there has been a long
history of contact with the outside world with both these communities as well as
with the Jarawa. It is fascinating to see how the various concerns emanate from
genocide and contact of communities we are often talking about ...all of which
tend to deviate rather than merge, while the subjects of our interest move in
their own direction, often outwitting us in our game of peek a boo..i see you
there!..There also is the notion of isolation of these communities for those of
us who live in the garden of eden, but unfortunately we have bitten off the
fruit from that utopian garden.

Manish


--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Rauf Ali <raufie05@...> wrote:


From: Rauf Ali <raufie05@...>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 11:58 PM








I don't think theres any evidence that the Sentinelese are declining. Nobody
knows their numbers in the first place,.The same, more or less, goes for the
Shompen. Nobody knew their numbers a few years ago, it was all guesswork. So the
current estimates ( some say 250, some say 370) don't indicate increase or
decrease.
Manish, any wise words?

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Rauf Ali

Aurodam

Auroville- 605 101

Cell: 94437 47146

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Malini Shankar <malini@wwmcindia. com> wrote:

From: Malini Shankar <malini@wwmcindia. com>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 11:34 AM

Hi to all lovers of ANI,

The premise of non proximity or isolation of Jarawas presumably arises from a
concern to limit interaction with the big bad outside world and the Jarawas do
no have the immunity to fight disease outbreak, they do not have immunity
against diseases etc.

Going by that logic the Shompens and Sentinalese still do not have any contact
with the outside world. So logically they should be very healthy and disease
resistant. What then is the cause for their dwindling numbers? I am seeking
knowledge, I pray for some very well informed activists on this e group to
enlighten people like me who might want to know.

Historically it has been integration that is the secret of success anywhere in
the world... its a sociological phenomenon. When Parsis landed in India and
their leader sought refuge in Gujarat, apparently the then ruler of Baroach told
the leader of the Parsis his concern for the security of the womenfolk of the
refugees. Alluding to the exotic and beautiful looks of the refugee women, the
ruler apparently told the Parsi leader, only if you promise to get the refugees
to dress like the locals, eat the food of the locals and speak the local
language will he permit them to stay in his kingdom. This would ensure
integration and not make the Parsi women look like 'exotic objects of desire'.
This is the genesis of Parsis mother tongue becoming Gujrati in India. They
dress up too like Gujratis. But they have stopped short of inter marriage in
honour of the orthodoxy of their Church. Which partially explains their
dwindling numbers in India and around the
world.

It might sound a bit patriarchal and patronising to a modern society but the
logic of successful integration of that ruler in Baroach all those hundreds of
years ago was sound. isolation and protection of the tribes in ANI has not
exactly brought them spectacuular success in survival. What explains their
dwindling numbers inspite of isolation?

Malini

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----- Original Message -----

From: Rauf Ali

To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in

Cc: cs@...

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:32 PM

Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot

I'm starting to get a bit tired of this subject.

I think we have established that Survival International has broken the law, by
filming tribals where they were not supposed to be filmed. We have to find out
who from the A & N Administration was involved, and action needs to be taken
against them.

I don't think anybody who has not visited the Barefoot site, walked around, seen
the problems, has any business to comment on the issue. I haven't, thats why I
don't comment. This would be a total lack of professionalism.

More important than the hypothetical threat to the Jarawa here, is the several
hundred cars that drive through the reserve every day to see 'mud volcanoes' at
Baratang. None of them actually go to see this. They all go hoping to see Jarawa
along the road. The convoys do not matter, since the Jarawa are found at the
jetties in Baratang. Ask them to visit the mud volcanoes by boat from Port
Blair, and you will see this business die.

In spite of the police escort there is interaction- far more in a day than
Barefoot can contemplate over a decade.

Why doesn't the A & N Administration stop this Jarawa tourism first? Why isn't
Survival International addressing the real issue? Why aren't the other tour
operators in the islands taking a stand against the hundreds of cars doing
Jarawa tourism every day?

In sorrowRauf

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Rauf Ali

Aurodam

Auroville- 605 101

Cell: 94437 47146

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...> wrote:

From: Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...>

Subject: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot

To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in

Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 1:12 PM

Dear Samit,

In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?

I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.

To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent. Doubtless
there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.

With best regards,

Madhusree

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