Dear Friends,

Please find Survival's briefing about Barefoot India at
http://www.survival-international.org/about/barefoot

Some time ago, a Survival fieldworker was travelling with some
government officials and others when the group was approached by a few
Jarawa, outside the Reserve. The Jarawa wanted to complain about
poacher encroachment and our fieldworker was asked to videotape the
incident, specifically to draw attention to this serious problem. She
was not the only one present who photographed the event. What is
important about this recording is that it allows the Jarawa their own
voice on an international stage for the first time.

Our fieldworker did not at any time enter the Reserve. She did not pay
or commission anyone to go into the Reserve on her behalf. She did not
contravene the Regulations that apply to the Reserve or (so far as we
have been able to establish) any other applicable law. Any reports to
the contrary are without foundation.

Survival's statement on use of pictures of the Jarawa is below.

Best wishes,
Miriam Ross
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Survival’s use of pictures of the Jarawa



Survival is campaigning for the Jarawa’s land to be protected, and for
their right to decide their own future to be respected. We do not
encourage or condone the entry of non-Jarawas into the Jarawa reserve,
except for small, dedicated teams visiting the Jarawa communities to
provide urgent health assistance or for other essential matters.



Where photographs of the Jarawa already exist, Survival uses them to
help raise awareness of the extreme threats faced by the tribe. In our
campaigning work, we aim to mobilise international public opinion to
prevent the violation of tribal peoples’ rights. The use of images is
crucial in enabling members of the public to feel a connection with
tribal peoples, and to feel motivated to take action to support them.



Survival does not pay photographers for the use of pictures they have
taken of the Jarawa.

......

We help tribal peoples defend their lives, protect their lands and
determine their own futures.

Survival International
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London EC1M 7ET
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Tel: (+44) (0)20 7687 8700
Fax: (+44) (0)20 7687 8701
http://www.survival-international.org





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PRESS RELEASE                           Press Conference at Press Club, July
3, 2009, New Delhi



FISHWORKERS DELEGATION SCORES CMZ VICTORY;

Fishworkers to be consulted prior to any new legislation/notification,

Separate Fisheries Ministry under consideration



The Ministry of Environment has agreed to drop the proposal to replace the
current “Coastal Regulation Zone” (CRZ) notification with a controversial
“Coastal Management Zone” (CMZ) notification. Minister Jairam Ramesh
conveyed this to a delegation of the National Fishworkers Forum (NFF), which
met him in Delhi on July 02, 2009. The delegation took up a number of issues
pertaining to India’s 20 million strong traditional fishing community with
Ministries of Environment and Forest, Agriculture, Labour and Home, and the
ILO. The delegation also met the President of India.



Shri Jairam Ramesh told the delegation that the Ministry is willing to drop
the current CMZ notification that lapses on July 22, 2009 and will start a
dialogue with the fishing community on the best way to manage the coast. He
has agreed to a series of five consultations in Bhubaneshwar, Chennai,
Cochin, Goa and Mumbai with fishing community representatives of all the
nine coastal states before August 31, 2009. He assured that the Ministry
will respect the customary rights of the fishing communities.



The NFF delegation met with the President of India, Ministers of
Agriculture, Environment, Labour and Home, MPs of coastal states, key
officials and representatives of the International Labour Organisation
(ILO). This visit by a NFF delegation was a follow up of their Kutch-Kolkata
march along the entire coast last year and the subsequent agitation in Delhi
over a charter of 16 demands. These demands include the scrapping of the new
Coastal Management Zone notification, enactment of a comprehensive
legislation to regulate fishing in India’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ),
the ratification of the ILO’s “work in fishing” convention and the waiver of
the debts of fishermen and fisherwomen on the lines of the debt waiver
granted to farmers.



The delegation insisted on the MoEF implementing the recommendations
of the Parliamentary
Standing Committee on Science & Technology, Environment & Forests headed by
Rajya Sabha M.P. Dr. V. Maitreyan, which submitted its report to the
Parliament on March 20, 2009. The standing committee has recommended an
elaborate consultation with the fishing communities as a pre-condition for
any legislation or regulation by the MoEF. It has also recommended  a
comprehensive legislation (on the lines of the Forest Rights Act) that
protects the rights of the fishing communities rather than the issue of a
mere notification by the MoEF.



v  Parliamentary Standing Committee has clearly stated the following:

“1. Almost everywhere, it was asserted before the Committee that CRZ is
still a preferred piece of legislation to CMZ Notification, 2008 because the
former has succeeded in containing pollution and encroachment along the
coastal areas to a large extent, whereas, it was felt that CMZ Notification
is a replacement/substitution of CRZ Notification in its amended form with
greater possibilities of misuse. One of the greatest apprehensions about the
CMZ Notification was that it proposes legalization and encouragement to
industrial corporate activities along the coasts in the garb of management
methodologies. It was widely apprehended that this Notification will
significantly curtail the accessibility of the local community to the shore
and sea resources and serve the economic interests of the corporate
sector/large investors like tourism industry, refinery, mining etc.

2. Local coastal communities almost unanimously voiced that protection of
coastal ecology and recognition of basic rights and livelihood of the local
communities over the sea and the coast should be at the heart of any coastal
zone planning. The fishermen were of the view that coastal management plan
should be framed by taking them into confidence and that mere mention in the
Notification – “There would be no restriction of fishing or fishery related
activities of local communities” is not enough to instill confidence among
them. They need to be involved, included and integrated in the future
opportunities related to the Coastal Zone. The Committee also feels that in
a democratic country like ours the preferred approach should be bottom up –
public participation in planning and development rather than top down –
decisions made by Govt. and not involving people in inclusive growth
opportunities and practices in matters which have far reaching consequences
on a vast population solely dependent on their tradition vocations and way
of life. It is primarily keeping in view this concern that peoples’
participation in policy formulation becomes all the more important and
inevitable.”



The NFF sought the intervention of the MoEF in the issue of the Jambudweep
fishermen displaced by the unfair implementation of the Forest Protection
Act and the imposition of Marine Protected Areas (MPAs) without consulting
the fishermen. The Minister has agreed to sympathetically review these.



The NFF delegation was assured by the Minister for Agriculture Shri Sharad
Pawar and Prof KV Thomas (MoS) that the Ministry has agreed to consider the
waiver of bank loans for small scale traditional fishermen and women. The
Ministry sought more details on the bank loans provided by banks to small
fishworkers.



The Labour Minister Shri Mallikarjun Kharge has promised to ratify the ILO
Convention on Fishing and enact required legislations.



The delegation met the President of India Smt. Pratiba Patil and presented
to her the demand to set up a separate Ministry for fisheries. This is in
view of the current situation that decision making affecting the fisheries
sector and fishing communities are spread over a number of Ministries and
departments. The President listened with interest to the various problems
faced by the fishing communities and enquired in detail the problems faced
by Maharashtra fishermen on account of the increased drilling for petroleum
in their traditional fishing grounds.



In the meeting with the representatives of the ILO, the delegation sought
ILO’s collaboration in ensuring the ratification of the ILO’s Work in
Fishing Convention (C188) and the enactment of national and state level
legislations to bring the benefits of the ILO convention to Indian
fishwoerkrs. The ILO agreed to facilitate the process of discussion with the
concerned Ministries, state Governments and the Central Trade Unions.



NFF understands this round of negotiations on key issues as a success of its
organizational strength and legitimacy of its demands. However, it believes
that the process will be ongoing and at every point, NFF will raise the
voice and concerns of the traditional fishworkers of India. While NFF has
agreed to be part of the consultations by MoEF towards improving CRZ
mandate, it is clear that quality community participation in good strength
alone can make sure that the concerns of fishworkers are not by-passed.



Hence, while agreeing, NFF is clear about the strategy to start fresh round
of agitation on the issue of CMZ and others, if the fishworkers are not
satisfied with the consultation procedure, after two rounds of the same.



The NFF delegation was composed of the following persons: Thomas Kocherry
(EC Member), T. Peter (Secretary) – Kerala, Vasudev Boloor (Secretary) –
Karnataka, RK Patil (EC Member) – Maharashtra, Sagar (senior member) –
Gujarat, Ramesh Dhuri & Naredra Patil (EC Member) – Maharashtra. The
delegation was accompanied by members of environmental, labour and human
rights groups working together under the banner of Delhi Solidarity Group
for NFF along with representative of South Indian Federation of Fishermen’s
Societies (SIFFS).



T. Peter (09447429243)
Vasudev Boloor (09923241641)

Secretary, NFF
Secretary, NFF

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Isn't Jarawa tourism is illegal anyways technically? There are those warning
posters stating not to take pictures of Jarawa on buses going through that area.

I agree, there are no documentation about population of sentinels. I might not
be so sure about Shompens though.

No offence, but your analogy doesn't really work with the Jarawa situation,
Malini Shankar. Too much too soon is always bad. It takes any human being to
adjust to new situation, new environment, new kind of food, and what currently
is happening is Jarawas are bombarded with all the synthetic food and every
other thing. How can we say the new food won't be bad for their immune system?


Sure within the same island territory, we can see how Nicobaris coped with
"modern" civilisation and their population is in no danger, but you will also
have to take in account of how Nicobaris were indoctrinate to "modern" society,
it was a step by step process. When Church first came to Nicobar, they didn't
give them foreign food to eat, they let them continue with their culture and it
was one thing at a time.

Society has changed a lot over the past century, for me personally, I don't see
anything wrong with Jarawas living their jungle life. I don't differentiate
between who is civilised and who isn't. It is their life, it is what they have
been living for the longest possible time. They live as hunter, how many of us
can claim to go in the jungle and live for a month without any modern day
equipment to help us? But a Jarawa lad has been living like that, for him
extracting honey is cake walk.

My point is, let them choose what and how they wish to lead their life. We have
and we shouldn't' have any power to be decision makers of someone elses culture.




--- In andamanicobar@..., Rauf Ali <raufie05@...> wrote:
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> I don't think theres any evidence that the Sentinelese are declining. Nobody
knows their numbers in the first place,.The same, more or less, goes for the
Shompen. Nobody knew their numbers a few years ago, it was all guesswork. So the
current estimates ( some say 250, some say 370) don't indicate increase or
decrease.
> Manish, any wise words?
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> Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot
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> Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 11:34 AM
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> The premise of  non proximity or isolation of Jarawas presumably arises from a
concern to limit interaction with the big bad outside world and the Jarawas do
no have the immunity to fight disease outbreak, they do not have immunity
against diseases etc.
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> Going by that logic the Shompens and Sentinalese still do not have any contact
with the outside world. So logically they should be very healthy and disease
resistant. What then is the cause for their dwindling numbers? I am seeking
knowledge, I pray for some very well informed activists on this e group to
enlighten people like me who might want to know.
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> Historically it has been integration that is the secret of success anywhere in
the world... its a sociological phenomenon. When Parsis landed in India and
their leader sought refuge in Gujarat, apparently the then ruler of Baroach told
the leader of the Parsis his concern for the security of the womenfolk of the
refugees. Alluding to the exotic and beautiful looks of the refugee women, the
ruler apparently told the Parsi leader, only if you promise to get the refugees
to dress like the locals, eat the food of the locals and speak the local
language will he permit them to stay in his kingdom. This would ensure
integration and not make the Parsi women look like 'exotic objects of desire'.
This is the genesis of Parsis mother tongue becoming Gujrati in India. They
dress up too like Gujratis. But they have stopped short of inter marriage in
honour of the orthodoxy of their Church. Which partially explains their
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logic of successful integration of that ruler in Baroach  all those hundreds of
years ago was sound. isolation and protection of the tribes in ANI has not
exactly brought them spectacuular success in survival. What explains their
dwindling numbers inspite of isolation?
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by filming tribals where they were not supposed to be filmed. We have to find
out who from the A & N Administration was involved, and action needs to be taken
against them.
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>   I don't think anybody who has not visited the Barefoot site, walked around,
seen the problems, has any business to comment on the issue. I haven't, thats
why I don't comment. This would be a total lack of professionalism.
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>   More important than the hypothetical threat to the Jarawa here,  is the
several hundred cars that drive through the reserve every day to see 'mud
volcanoes' at Baratang. None of them actually go to see this. They all go hoping
to see Jarawa along the road. The convoys do not matter, since the Jarawa are
found at the jetties in Baratang. Ask them to visit the mud volcanoes by boat
from Port Blair, and you will see this business die.
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Barefoot can contemplate over a decade.
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isn't Survival International addressing the real issue? Why aren't the other
tour operators in the islands taking a stand against the hundreds of cars doing
Jarawa tourism every day?
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some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?
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> I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.
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Doubtless there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
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ZP Chairperson calls upon people to plant more trees

http://andamanchronicle.com/

Jul 01, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Port Blair, July 1: Km. V.K. Mariam Bibi, Chairperson, Zilla Parishad,
South Andaman District has called upon all the islanders, especially
youths and PRI members, to lend a helping hand to the Forest
Department’s endeavour to plant more and more trees during the on-going
Van Mahotsava month and also even after that.

Speaking as the chief guest of the inaugural function of the month-long
Van Mahotsava, at Andaman Club here today, Km. Mariyam Bibi underlined
the importance of trees and forest in the life of each and every
individual. Significance of Van Mahotsava must be understood by
everyone. Our islands attract hordes of tourists because of the lush
green forests and trees that represent the bounties of the nature and we
must preserve and conserve this wealth of ours, she noted. Lauding the
efforts of the Forest Department in this direction, the chief guest said
that there is an urgent need of wider mass awareness about importance of
planting trees and it is where the media can play an important role.
This, she said, has become all the more important to combat global warming.
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Fishing banned in creeks, Zone-A
http://andamanchronicle.com/


Jul 01, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Port Blair, July 01: The owners of the mechanized boats have been
advised to refrain from fishing in creeks and Zone – A as fishing in
such areas is punishable as per Andaman & Nicobar Islands Marine Fishing
Rules, 2004. Violation of it will be dealt strictly, a press release
issued from Zonal Fisheries Office said.

The release further clarified that the mechanized boats registered with
Zonal Fisheries Office, have been issued license for the Zone - B of the
specified area which means that they can venture into the sea in the
territorial waters of the Islands beyond 6 nautical miles from the
appropriate baseline.

The decision to this effect was passed following complaints from owners
of the motorized and non-motorized boats that some of the mechanized
boats operating their trawl net in the creeks and very near to the shore
thus adversely affecting their catch.
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Thanks for the perspective. A good read and useful. Lets hope truth and enviro
concerns for life in the area prevail. Especially for India and an.

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From: Pankaj Sekhsaria <psekhsaria@...>
Subject: [andamanicobar] A new hot-spot of rivalry - The Indian Ocean
To: "andamanicobar" <andamanicobar@...>
Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 9:12 PM


One more article, this time from Pakistan on the continued struggle to
gain strategic control of the Indian Ocean, something where the A&N will
play an ever increasing role.
pankaj


A new hot-spot of rivalry
http://pakobserver.net/200907/01/Articles01.asp

Amjed Jaaved

Indian Ocean is fast emerging as the new hot-spot of Sino-Indian rivalry.

Whether it is controlling piracy or use of sea resources, boats of the
two countries face each other eyeball-to-eyeball. As is obvious from
capital outlays in India’s defence budget, India wants to convert its
navy into a blue-water navy as early as possible. The first item on
Indian-Navy agenda is getting new aircraft carriers. In his media
interviews, the previous chief of Indian Navy used to lament ‘dominance
of smaller ships in the naval fleet imposes limitations of reach’. He
asserted that ‘the Navy had to be built around three aircraft carriers,
at least 30 destroyers and frigates, 20 submarines and replenishment
ships’. The present Navy chief’s plans are no less grandiose.

He says, “We are looking at a fleet of 140 warships and 300 aircraft”
(The News behind the News, April 6, 2009, pp.14-15). What the chiefs of
Indian Navy said in the past, or the present chief says is no swagger.
Dominating the Indian Ocean has been India’s long-cherished dream since
its independence. George K Tanham, in his Indian Strategic Thought, a
RAND research, observes that India wants to establish its hegemony over
Indian Ocean by establishing Pax Indica, on the lines of Pax Britannica.
He adds, India wants to ‘approach world-power status by developing
nuclear and missile capabilities, a blue water navy, and a
military-industrial complex, all obvious characteristics of the
superpowers’ (page vii). The Indian Ocean is the third largest body of
water in the world. It occupies 20 per cent of the world’s ocean surface
- it is nearly 10,000 kilometers wide at the southern tips of Africa and
Australia and its area is 68.556 million square kilometers, about 5.5
times the size of the United States.

India understands the importance of Indian Ocean. Forty seven countries
have the Indian Ocean on their shores. India’s motto is ‘whoever
controls the Indian Ocean dominates Asia’. US Rear Admiral Alfred Thayer
Mahan says that ‘this ocean is the key to the seven seas in the
twenty-first century; the destiny of the world will be decided in these
waters’. This Ocean includes Andaman Sea, Arabian Sea, Red Sea, Flores
Sea, Java Sea Great Australian Bight, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Savu
Sea, Timor Sea, Strait of Malacca, Bay of Bengal, Mozambique Channel,
and Persian Gulf. Indian Ocean is rich with living and non-living
resources, from marine life to oil and natural gas. Its beach sands are
rich in heavy minerals and offshore placer deposits. India is actively
exploiting them to its economic advantage. It is a major sea lane
providing shipping to 90 per cent of world trade. It provides a waterway
for heavy traffic of petroleum and petroleum products from the oilfields
of the Persian Gulf and Indonesia, and contains an estimated 40% of the
world’s offshore oil production.

Admiral Alfred T. Mahan (1840-1914) of the United States Navy
highlighted strategic importance of the Indian Ocean in these words:
“whoever attains maritime supremacy in the Indian Ocean would be a
prominent player on the international scene. The Indian peninsula (i.e.
the Deccan and below) juts 1,240 miles into the Indian Ocean. 50per cent
of the Indian Ocean basin lies within a 1,000 mile radius of India, a
reality that has strategic implications. India possesses the technology
to extract minerals from the deep sea bed. Under the law of the sea, it
has an exclusive economic zone of 772,000 square miles. Chennai is a
mere 3,400 miles away from Perth in Australia, slightly more than the
distance between New York and Los Angeles.

The Ocean is a major sea lane connecting Middle East, East Asia and
Africa with Europe and the Americas. It has four crucial access
waterways facilitating international maritime trade, that is the Suez
Canal in Egypt, Bab-el-Mandeb (bordering Djibouti and Yemen), Straits of
Hormuz (bordering Iran and Oman), and Straits of Malacca (bordering
Indonesia and Malaysia). These ‘chokepoints’ are critical to world oil
trade as huge amounts of oil pass through them.

Any disruption in traffic flow through these choke-points can have
disastrous consequences. The disruption of energy flows in particular is
a considerable security concern for littoral states, as a majority of
their energy lifelines are sea-based. Since energy is critical in
influencing the geo-political strategies of a nation, any turbulence in
its supply has serious security consequences. In view of the spiraling
demand for energy, China sensitive to the security of the sea lines of
communication and choke- points of the region. Sixty per cent of China’s
oil supplies are shipped through the Straits of Malacca. Most of the
ships approach the straits through the 10 degree channel between the
Andaman and Nicobar islands. To dominate these straits, India
established its Far Eastern Marine Command at Port Blair in the
Andamans. It has developed Port Blair as a strategic international trade
center and built an oil terminal and trans-shipment port in Campal Bay
in the Nicobar islands.

Indian desire to expand its navy manifold to dominate the Indian Ocean
has triggered shockwaves to China and other littoral states. Barry
Desker, Director IDSS, Singapore says, “The emergence of new powers like
China and India is expected to transform the regional strategic
landscape in a fashion that could be as dramatic as the rise of Germany
in the 19th century and the United States in the 20th century” .To
counter Indian hegemony, China is considering to build up to six
aircraft carriers. When New Delhi deployed one ship in the Gulf of Aden
in October last year with great fanfare, China deployed two warships to
the same area. The presence of the Chinese and Indian warships
underlines Beijing’s and New Delhi’s intense economic and strategic
interests in the world’s third largest ocean.

India is acquiring several nuclear-powered submarines to augment its 155
military vessels in the ocean that it calls its property. India has
transformed its Karnataka Bay into an advanced naval installation. To
counter New Delhi Beijing is constructing naval stations and refueling
ports around India, including in Burma, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. India’s
preparation to dominate the Indian Ocean does not augur well for the
region. India should concentrate more on resolving its disputes with its
neighbours than bolstering its war capabilities. It should let Indian
Ocean remain the zone of peace.


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I don't think theres any evidence that the Sentinelese are declining. Nobody
knows their numbers in the first place,.The same, more or less, goes for the
Shompen. Nobody knew their numbers a few years ago, it was all guesswork. So the
current estimates ( some say 250, some say 370) don't indicate increase or
decrease.
Manish, any wise words?

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Rauf Ali

Aurodam

Auroville- 605 101



Cell: 94437 47146

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Malini Shankar <malini@...> wrote:

From: Malini Shankar <malini@...>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 11:34 AM
























       Hi to all lovers of ANI,

The premise of  non proximity or isolation of Jarawas presumably arises from a
concern to limit interaction with the big bad outside world and the Jarawas do
no have the immunity to fight disease outbreak, they do not have immunity
against diseases etc.



Going by that logic the Shompens and Sentinalese still do not have any contact
with the outside world. So logically they should be very healthy and disease
resistant. What then is the cause for their dwindling numbers? I am seeking
knowledge, I pray for some very well informed activists on this e group to
enlighten people like me who might want to know.



Historically it has been integration that is the secret of success anywhere in
the world... its a sociological phenomenon. When Parsis landed in India and
their leader sought refuge in Gujarat, apparently the then ruler of Baroach told
the leader of the Parsis his concern for the security of the womenfolk of the
refugees. Alluding to the exotic and beautiful looks of the refugee women, the
ruler apparently told the Parsi leader, only if you promise to get the refugees
to dress like the locals, eat the food of the locals and speak the local
language will he permit them to stay in his kingdom. This would ensure
integration and not make the Parsi women look like 'exotic objects of desire'.
This is the genesis of Parsis mother tongue becoming Gujrati in India. They
dress up too like Gujratis. But they have stopped short of inter marriage in
honour of the orthodoxy of their Church. Which partially explains their
dwindling numbers in India and around the
  world.



It might sound a bit patriarchal and patronising to a modern society but the
logic of successful integration of that ruler in Baroach  all those hundreds of
years ago was sound. isolation and protection of the tribes in ANI has not
exactly brought them spectacuular success in survival. What explains their
dwindling numbers inspite of isolation?

Malini

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   Cc: cs@...

   Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:32 PM

   Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot



I'm starting to get a bit tired of this subject.

   I think we have established that Survival International has broken the law, by
filming tribals where they were not supposed to be filmed. We have to find out
who from the A & N Administration was involved, and action needs to be taken
against them.

   I don't think anybody who has not visited the Barefoot site, walked around,
seen the problems, has any business to comment on the issue. I haven't, thats
why I don't comment. This would be a total lack of professionalism.

   More important than the hypothetical threat to the Jarawa here,  is the
several hundred cars that drive through the reserve every day to see 'mud
volcanoes' at Baratang. None of them actually go to see this. They all go hoping
to see Jarawa along the road. The convoys do not matter, since the Jarawa are
found at the jetties in Baratang. Ask them to visit the mud volcanoes by boat
from Port Blair, and you will see this business die.

   In spite of the police escort there is interaction- far more in a day than
Barefoot can contemplate over a decade.

   Why doesn't the A & N Administration stop this Jarawa tourism first? Why isn't
Survival International addressing the real issue? Why aren't the other tour
operators in the islands taking a stand against the hundreds of cars doing
Jarawa tourism every day?

   In sorrowRauf



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Aurodam



Auroville- 605 101



Cell: 94437 47146



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From: Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...>

   Subject: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot

   To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in

   Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 1:12 PM



Dear Samit,



In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?



I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.



To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent. Doubtless
there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.



With best regards,



Madhusree



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One more article, this time from Pakistan on the continued struggle to
gain strategic control of the Indian Ocean, something where the A&N will
play an ever increasing role.
pankaj


A new hot-spot of rivalry
http://pakobserver.net/200907/01/Articles01.asp

Amjed Jaaved

Indian Ocean is fast emerging as the new hot-spot of Sino-Indian rivalry.

Whether it is controlling piracy or use of sea resources, boats of the
two countries face each other eyeball-to-eyeball. As is obvious from
capital outlays in India’s defence budget, India wants to convert its
navy into a blue-water navy as early as possible. The first item on
Indian-Navy agenda is getting new aircraft carriers. In his media
interviews, the previous chief of Indian Navy used to lament ‘dominance
of smaller ships in the naval fleet imposes limitations of reach’. He
asserted that ‘the Navy had to be built around three aircraft carriers,
at least 30 destroyers and frigates, 20 submarines and replenishment
ships’. The present Navy chief’s plans are no less grandiose.

He says, “We are looking at a fleet of 140 warships and 300 aircraft”
(The News behind the News, April 6, 2009, pp.14-15). What the chiefs of
Indian Navy said in the past, or the present chief says is no swagger.
Dominating the Indian Ocean has been India’s long-cherished dream since
its independence. George K Tanham, in his Indian Strategic Thought, a
RAND research, observes that India wants to establish its hegemony over
Indian Ocean by establishing Pax Indica, on the lines of Pax Britannica.
He adds, India wants to ‘approach world-power status by developing
nuclear and missile capabilities, a blue water navy, and a
military-industrial complex, all obvious characteristics of the
superpowers’ (page vii). The Indian Ocean is the third largest body of
water in the world. It occupies 20 per cent of the world’s ocean surface
- it is nearly 10,000 kilometers wide at the southern tips of Africa and
Australia and its area is 68.556 million square kilometers, about 5.5
times the size of the United States.

India understands the importance of Indian Ocean. Forty seven countries
have the Indian Ocean on their shores. India’s motto is ‘whoever
controls the Indian Ocean dominates Asia’. US Rear Admiral Alfred Thayer
Mahan says that ‘this ocean is the key to the seven seas in the
twenty-first century; the destiny of the world will be decided in these
waters’. This Ocean includes Andaman Sea, Arabian Sea, Red Sea, Flores
Sea, Java Sea Great Australian Bight, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Savu
Sea, Timor Sea, Strait of Malacca, Bay of Bengal, Mozambique Channel,
and Persian Gulf. Indian Ocean is rich with living and non-living
resources, from marine life to oil and natural gas. Its beach sands are
rich in heavy minerals and offshore placer deposits. India is actively
exploiting them to its economic advantage. It is a major sea lane
providing shipping to 90 per cent of world trade. It provides a waterway
for heavy traffic of petroleum and petroleum products from the oilfields
of the Persian Gulf and Indonesia, and contains an estimated 40% of the
world’s offshore oil production.

Admiral Alfred T. Mahan (1840-1914) of the United States Navy
highlighted strategic importance of the Indian Ocean in these words:
“whoever attains maritime supremacy in the Indian Ocean would be a
prominent player on the international scene. The Indian peninsula (i.e.
the Deccan and below) juts 1,240 miles into the Indian Ocean. 50per cent
of the Indian Ocean basin lies within a 1,000 mile radius of India, a
reality that has strategic implications. India possesses the technology
to extract minerals from the deep sea bed. Under the law of the sea, it
has an exclusive economic zone of 772,000 square miles. Chennai is a
mere 3,400 miles away from Perth in Australia, slightly more than the
distance between New York and Los Angeles.

The Ocean is a major sea lane connecting Middle East, East Asia and
Africa with Europe and the Americas. It has four crucial access
waterways facilitating international maritime trade, that is the Suez
Canal in Egypt, Bab-el-Mandeb (bordering Djibouti and Yemen), Straits of
Hormuz (bordering Iran and Oman), and Straits of Malacca (bordering
Indonesia and Malaysia). These ‘chokepoints’ are critical to world oil
trade as huge amounts of oil pass through them.

Any disruption in traffic flow through these choke-points can have
disastrous consequences. The disruption of energy flows in particular is
a considerable security concern for littoral states, as a majority of
their energy lifelines are sea-based. Since energy is critical in
influencing the geo-political strategies of a nation, any turbulence in
its supply has serious security consequences. In view of the spiraling
demand for energy, China sensitive to the security of the sea lines of
communication and choke- points of the region. Sixty per cent of China’s
oil supplies are shipped through the Straits of Malacca. Most of the
ships approach the straits through the 10 degree channel between the
Andaman and Nicobar islands. To dominate these straits, India
established its Far Eastern Marine Command at Port Blair in the
Andamans. It has developed Port Blair as a strategic international trade
center and built an oil terminal and trans-shipment port in Campal Bay
in the Nicobar islands.

Indian desire to expand its navy manifold to dominate the Indian Ocean
has triggered shockwaves to China and other littoral states. Barry
Desker, Director IDSS, Singapore says, “The emergence of new powers like
China and India is expected to transform the regional strategic
landscape in a fashion that could be as dramatic as the rise of Germany
in the 19th century and the United States in the 20th century” .To
counter Indian hegemony, China is considering to build up to six
aircraft carriers. When New Delhi deployed one ship in the Gulf of Aden
in October last year with great fanfare, China deployed two warships to
the same area. The presence of the Chinese and Indian warships
underlines Beijing’s and New Delhi’s intense economic and strategic
interests in the world’s third largest ocean.

India is acquiring several nuclear-powered submarines to augment its 155
military vessels in the ocean that it calls its property. India has
transformed its Karnataka Bay into an advanced naval installation. To
counter New Delhi Beijing is constructing naval stations and refueling
ports around India, including in Burma, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. India’s
preparation to dominate the Indian Ocean does not augur well for the
region. India should concentrate more on resolving its disputes with its
neighbours than bolstering its war capabilities. It should let Indian
Ocean remain the zone of peace.


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Govt to develop 6 shipping projects worth Rs 3,300 cr

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200907011831.htm

New Delhi (PTI): The Shipping Ministry on Wednesday proposed awarding
six port projects worth Rs 3,319 crore and declaring Andaman and Nicobar
Islands and Lakshadweep as major ports, taking the total number of major
ports in the country to 14, as part of its 100-day agenda.

"The total estimated cost of the six projects is Rs 3,319.14 crore and
they are expected to add capacity of 31.23 MT and 1.97 million TEUs,"
Shipping Minister G K Vasan told reporters here while unveiling the
100-day agenda.

The projects have to be awarded under the public-private-partnership mode.

"It is proposed that the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and Lakshadweep
would be declared as major ports after seeking cabinet approval," Mr.
Vasan said.

With the addition of these two, the number of major ports will go up to
14 from the existing 12.

About Dredging Corporation of India, the Minister said it will be
acquiring 3 dredgers at an estimated cost of Rs 1,570 crore.

The Ministry is also looking at a proposal for financial restructuring
of Hindustan Shipyards Limited and is looking part commissioning of
Small Ship Division of Cochin Shipyard Ltd at an estimated cost of Rs
98.63 crore.

The second phase of capital dredging of National Waterways no 3 on West
Coast canal will be implemented at an estimated cost of Rs 89.74 crore
within 100 days, the Minister said.

"Acquisition of one 400-passenger ship for Lakshadweep Administration
and one 500-passenger ship for Andaman and Nicobar administration will
be pursued by the Ministry," Mr. Vasan said.

He added that there is a proposal for strengthening of Indian Maritime
University and the government had already set up a central university in
Chennai with campuses at Kolkata, Mumbai and Vishakhapatnam.

Of the 6 port projects to be awarded within 100 days, two relate to
Paradip Port -- Rs 591.35 crore Deep Draught Coal Berth project and Rs
479.01 crore Deep Draught iron ore Berth -- that would help in
de-congestion of port due to handling of coal and iron ore in higher
capacity vessels up to 1,25,000 DWT.

The third project targets development of eight berths as container
terminals of capacity 4.7 lakh TEUs at a cost of Rs 312.23 crore at the
Tuticorin Port in Tamil Nadu. A coal terminal at a cost of Rs 252.44
crore to raise capacity to 4.61 million tonnes per annum of the Mormugao
port in Goa has also been proposed.

A mechanised iron ore handling facility as a back up requirement to deep
draft at the multipurpose Berth No 14 would be developed at Rs 277.11
crore at the New Mangalore Port in Karnataka.

A container terminal would be developed for Rs 1,407 crore having
capacity of 1.5 M TEU at the Ennore Port.
National
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Hi to all lovers of ANI,
The premise of  non proximity or isolation of Jarawas presumably arises from a
concern to limit interaction with the big bad outside world and the Jarawas do
no have the immunity to fight disease outbreak, they do not have immunity
against diseases etc.

Going by that logic the Shompens and Sentinalese still do not have any contact
with the outside world. So logically they should be very healthy and disease
resistant. What then is the cause for their dwindling numbers? I am seeking
knowledge, I pray for some very well informed activists on this e group to
enlighten people like me who might want to know.

Historically it has been integration that is the secret of success anywhere in
the world... its a sociological phenomenon. When Parsis landed in India and
their leader sought refuge in Gujarat, apparently the then ruler of Baroach told
the leader of the Parsis his concern for the security of the womenfolk of the
refugees. Alluding to the exotic and beautiful looks of the refugee women, the
ruler apparently told the Parsi leader, only if you promise to get the refugees
to dress like the locals, eat the food of the locals and speak the local
language will he permit them to stay in his kingdom. This would ensure
integration and not make the Parsi women look like 'exotic objects of desire'.
This is the genesis of Parsis mother tongue becoming Gujrati in India. They
dress up too like Gujratis. But they have stopped short of inter marriage in
honour of the orthodoxy of their Church. Which partially explains their
dwindling numbers in India and around the world.

It might sound a bit patriarchal and patronising to a modern society but the
logic of successful integration of that ruler in Baroach  all those hundreds of
years ago was sound. isolation and protection of the tribes in ANI has not
exactly brought them spectacuular success in survival. What explains their
dwindling numbers inspite of isolation?
Malini
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Basavanagudi
Bangalore 560 004
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Rauf Ali
   To: andamanicobar@...
   Cc: cs@...
   Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:32 PM
   Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot





   I'm starting to get a bit tired of this subject.
   I think we have established that Survival International has broken the law, by
filming tribals where they were not supposed to be filmed. We have to find out
who from the A & N Administration was involved, and action needs to be taken
against them.
   I don't think anybody who has not visited the Barefoot site, walked around,
seen the problems, has any business to comment on the issue. I haven't, thats
why I don't comment. This would be a total lack of professionalism.
   More important than the hypothetical threat to the Jarawa here,  is the
several hundred cars that drive through the reserve every day to see 'mud
volcanoes' at Baratang. None of them actually go to see this. They all go hoping
to see Jarawa along the road. The convoys do not matter, since the Jarawa are
found at the jetties in Baratang. Ask them to visit the mud volcanoes by boat
from Port Blair, and you will see this business die.
   In spite of the police escort there is interaction- far more in a day than
Barefoot can contemplate over a decade.
   Why doesn't the A & N Administration stop this Jarawa tourism first? Why isn't
Survival International addressing the real issue? Why aren't the other tour
operators in the islands taking a stand against the hundreds of cars doing
Jarawa tourism every day?
   In sorrowRauf

   -------------------------

   Rauf Ali

   Aurodam

   Auroville- 605 101

   Cell: 94437 47146

   --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...> wrote:

   From: Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...>
   Subject: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot
   To: andamanicobar@...
   Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 1:12 PM

   Dear Samit,

   In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?

   I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.

   To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent.
Doubtless there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.

   With best regards,

   Madhusree

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Dear All,
 
I respond below to some specific comments from Aju Mukhopadhyay, Sharad Pant,
Sabyasachi Patra and Fpcn below.
 
I have cut and paste the relevant comment (in "inverted commas") below and
provided my comments alongside
 
Aju Mukhopadhyay
1) “A Nature lover and conservationist, I feel very disturbed when I learn
that a group of people will be obliterated from the earth.”
 
1) Aju, you have heard this sensationalism from SI – it is nothing but
sensationalism. Let saner voices prevail in this debate. Words like
obliteration, genocide, extinction etc are not helpful and not true to the
actual situation
 
2) “Why do you not operate from the capital of A & N only”
 
2) There is no private beach land available there, no suitable land for a
resort. I think you need to visit the location and visit Port Blair/South
Andaman to understand the context.
 
We could equally operate an Andaman Beach Resort from the heart of Chennai City,
but its not quite the same thing, is it? This is quite simply the only plot of
beach land we could procure (starting from 2004) which had direct road access to
Andaman Islands only airport. Nothing to do with the Jarawa, and, as I am weary
of stating, presenting no threat of geneocide.
 
3) “why do you penetrate to others' areas- all the original people have their
firs right to their land”
 
3) I think you missed the point entirely and / or are not following the facts.
We do not penetrate into anyone’s area, leave alone the Jarawas. Our resort is
located on our land, well outside the Jarawa Reserve. We do not challenge Jarawa
right to land at all, and agree with you in that original people do have the
first right to land.
 
Aju – I can’t help feeling you’ve been caught up in the hype. Do visit the
location.


Sharad Pant
 
1) “It is matter of great surprise and regret that the Barefoot Resorts going
to establish celebrity resorts in Colinpur area.”
 
1) Mr. Pant, I fail to see how a bunch of mid-priced tents – aesthetic as they
are - qualify as a ‘celebrity resort’. Again, sensationalist damaging
headlines prove their effect and this is precisely why SI's approach has angered
us. Sir, we do not profess to own or run a celebrity resort anywhere, let alone
at Colinpur and are amused at best to see this phrase repeated time and again
 
2) “Already Jarawa population is decreasing day by day”
 
2) This is obviously not true and I need not elaborate on this. But again, Mr
Pant – I find the passion generated by a “celebrity” resort and the
immediate link to death and destruction of tribals quite a leap in logic and
imagination, considering the ground realities prevalent in the area and the
ground situation (the true, unromanticised, non-fantastical situation) of the
Jarawa. Resorts are soft, easy, popular targets. High end resorts seem to excite
people even more. The real problems for the Jarawa however lie elsewhere.
 
3) “Already civilians snatched so many things from Jarawa, and blamed that
Jarawa are inhuman.”
 
3) Mr Pant, “Some” 'civilians' have regrettably called Jarawa inhuman or
words to that effect. Not all 'civilians'. But I don’t see what this has to do
with Barefoot though.
 
In fact, I find most labels about the Jarawa tiresome. Individual Jarawa are
intelligent human beings with a unique way of experiencing the world around
them.
 
People and organizations constantly impute labels and stereotypes on to the
Jarawa, each seem to have a “notion” of what the Jarawa are and more to the
point, what they think the Jarawa should be. The fact is, they (the Jarawa
individuals) are pretty clever in their own right and pretty far removed from
most outsiders perception of them and even further removed from what outsider
think they should be or would like to make them to be.
 
 
Fpcn:
1) “and I can't help feeling this sudden attack on Survival has some
development/ money motives behind it...”
 
1) The motive is defence and to expose duplicity. The attack came from SI, at a
time where debate and discussion and mutual respect should have been accorded
– not a one sided sensationalist press release which is damaging to a party
that does not have the power of the press at its disposal to respond to its wild
allegations of potential genocide. SI's precipitate action in this and their
subsequent hardline stand closed all possibility of serious communication.
 
This is a standard SI tactic, motivated to polarize opinion and hijack the
agenda (I do not make this statement lightly). We reject this approach, but are
more than willing to be drawn into informed debate by knowledgeable, qualified
and concerned individuals and to be guided by its eventual course and outcome.
 
 
Sabyasachi Partra
 
1) “Two wrongs doesn't make it right. So attacking the NGO for photographing
Jarawas without valid permissions doesn't enhance the legality of the case of
the resort coming up close to the Jarawas.”
 
1) Mr. Patra, you will find I have already said exactly the same thing myself.
That Two wrongs don’t make a right: I have stated that myself in various
previous written communications, both with SI and on this forum, and have
already clarified that my disenchantment with SI has no part in the main issue
regarding the resort's location (such as others may perceive the issue to be).
 
I have challenged SI’s standing in this debate, their ethics and their
approach. I do not challenge the debate itself, if conducted in a reasonable
manner. If I am upset (and visibly so) in my responses to SI, it is because they
had chosen to issue a damaging press release without warning and without having
done adequate research/homework. This is an irresponsible act and NGOs must
learn that, if they are to be taken seriously and wish to have a positive
effect, they must behave responsibly and in cooperation with all stakeholders,
without of course compromising on belief. They have a duty of care to all
parties and must behave in such manner.
 
I far prefer Madhushree Mukherjee’s approach which states her concerns, lays
out her opinion, acknowledges differeing viewpoints, does not impute dire
motives on us and invites an honest argument without attempting to
sensationalise or polarize opinion.  I may not agree fully with her opinion,
but she has a right to it and a right to try to convince me about it and educate
me otherwise. I am happy to engage in such manner, either on this forum or off
it. You will find us more than willing to respond to reasonable argument.

2) “It is a fact that in India tourism hasn't helped in conservation despite
lot of claims to the contrary……I have seen enough of the high end tourism
and
can say that all these claims ring hollow.”
 
2) Barefoot has never claimed to help conservation. Almost all human activity
bears an ecological footprint, including of course resorts – whether high end,
low end, “celebrity” or “eco”. Responsible resorts try to mitigate their
impact. That is all we profess to do: try to minimize our impact. In this
context, there is no way that Barefoot will ever claim that its resort at
Colinpur will ‘help conserve the Jarawa’ or even help the Jarawa in any way.
That would be a completely atrocious claim and not one that we would ever seek
to make.

3) “Let there be no resorts or "civilized  human habitations" near their
area.”
 
3) Mr Patra, there are already tens of thousands of people living on the edges
of and in close proximity to the Reserve and have been so for more than 40
years.What do you propose to do with them?
 
4) “May God Bless the Jarawas.”
 
4) In this I agree with you wholeheartedly. May God Bless the Jarawa. My, how
their ears must be burning with all this debate about them (if you subscribe to
that particular old wives tale)
 
Someone also queried why Barefoot has not sought to promote tourism in Middle
and North Andaman instead. The truth is, we have. We have a resort in between
Middle and North Andaman, soft launched last season and which will be in better
nick this season.
 
Regards
Samit




________________________________
From: aju mukhopadhyay <ajum24@...>
To: andamanicobar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 10:45:19 PM
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.





Dear Samit and all others-
A Nature lover and conservationist, I feel very disturbed when I learn that a
group of people will be obliterated from the earth. Curiosity is nothing 
compared to life. We should all try to save a part of mankind, help them to live
on their own instead of doing anything; business, tourism or urbanisation. Why
do you not operate from the capital of A & N only - why do you penetrate to
others' areas- all the original people have their firs right to their land -
Sincerely,
Aju Mukhopadhyay

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, samit sawhny <samitsawhny@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: samit sawhny <samitsawhny@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 3:43 PM

Dear Aju (and others)
 
Just a short note to remove any misconception or loss of focus my lengthy
responses may have generated. I would like to make/reiterate the following
point:
 
- Our Colinpur resort in no way seeks to market the Jarawa or allure people to
see them. Hand on heart (if that's what it takes), this is the fact of the
matter. We would not countenance any attempt by any guest to approach the Jarawa
or the Jarawa Reserve. Our being 3kms or 30kms or 300m away does not change a
guests intention to approach the Jarawa, but our policies in action can and
will.
 
Also, I would like to make a clarification
 
-  I do not raise questions on Survival International' s ethics, propriety,
lack of research etc in a bid to deflect attention from the charge leveled
against us. I am very confident of our legal and ethical standpoint in this
(otherwise we would not be there at the location) and am confident that it will
stand up to scrutiny and am willing to discuss and debate in this regard with
responsible, informed, non-sensationalist  and balanced individuals/
organizations.
I raise the questions I do only because I refuse to deal with duplicity. I am
unimpressed with Survival International' s ethical and moral standing in the
Jarawa context, and am increasingly alarmed with information I gather or receive
about their actions in this area.
 
The questions I have raised have quite simply led me to this one conclusion:
that I find it pointless to interact in this matter with Survival International
any more, as I consider it to be an organization of dubious standing in the
Jarawa context and, short of my demands for an apology and providing them with
proof of their wild inaccuracy, I see no reason to dignify their ill-informed
attacks or their organization with further response.
 
I still hold out the expectation of an apology, and would like to see it
forthcoming sooner rather than later
 
Regards
Samit Sawhny
Barefoot Resorts
 
 

____________ _________ _________ __
From: aju mukhopadhyay <ajum24@yahoo. co.in>
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 11:54:24 AM
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.

Dear friends,
Seeing these battles I strongly feel that let men not profit out of their scanty
presence. Let them live undisturbed without any visitor going near them or any
advertisement released on them. No resort be established alluring people to see
them. Stop all civilised attack on the uncivilised.
Aju Mukhopadhyay

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com>
Subject: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 11:38 AM

Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage that
was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not be ignored
that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame
the Survival International National media and the administration has also played
the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and where. Infact
many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the tribes why they are
officially not to be visited but are used for lord knows what purpuse. Those of
you who are intrested in the politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest
to read my new book- In the Forest.
Vishvajit Pandya

--- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com> wrote:

From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International in
the Andamans?
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM

See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the

jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later

published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.

http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html

Zubair Ahmed

Tel: 03192 246191

Mb: +919932081771

Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com

Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/ alfred_hitchcock
.html>

- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it

belongs."

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:

>

>

> I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise

> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I

> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot

> International and several other locations on their web site.

>

> For Survival Press Release, see

> http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663

>

> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial

> nudity in the photo.]

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg

>

> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that

> photograph is property of Survival International.

>

> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I

> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women

> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.

>

> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.

> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says

> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf

>

> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the

> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let

> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone

> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial

> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year

> old jarawa tribals as well.

>

> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &

> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is

> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put

> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the

> photographer?

>

> This leads me to the following questions:-

> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?

> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the

> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?

> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian

> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing

> them?

> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?

> How?

> (4) Who took the photograph and when?

> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in

> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?

>

> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have

> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they

> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See

>

> http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/ images/EnduringV
oicesEthicsState me.pdf

> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their

> Enduring Voices Project.)

>

>

>

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Bishnu addresses his maiden press conference
http://andamanchronicle.com/


Jun 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM
A&N Police Should Be Treated At Par With Delhi Police: Member of
Parliament



Port Blair, June 30: The A&N Police personnel should be treated at par
with the Delhi Police, said Shri Bishnu Pada Ray while addressing his
maiden press conference after being elected as the Member of Parliament
today at BJP Bhawan.

The MP said that the ration allowance to the Police personnel has been
pending since last 10 years. This point was raised in the meeting of
Consultative Committee on the Home Affairs and persuaded vigorously by
the Administration. The Administration had again taken up the matter on
23rd May 2009 with the Home Ministry.

Bishnu further said the Police personnel of A&N posted at Look Out Post
like Chowra, Kondul etc. are being paid @ Rs. 1059/- per month as ration
allowance. Our policemen guard the international borders against
intrusion of foreign national and poachers and their responsibility and
task are not less than para-military personnel at the international
borders. Moreover the cost of living in the islands is 300% more than
Delhi.

The Member of Parliament therefore assured that he will be taking up the
issue in the Parliament and would stress upon sanctioning Ration
Allowance @ Rs. 950/- per month th the 3438 Personnel involving
eschequesr – Rs. 4.91 Crores per year.

Deliberating on the allocation of fund to be kept in the Budget 2009-10
for various schemes of A&N Islands, Ray said that the Govt of India has
accorded sanction of 186 posts for Coastal Security on June 9, 2008.
There is a need for strengthening coastal security of this Island
territory for which the GoI has to sanction various posts with fund and
find for infrastructure.

Dwelling on the issue of drinking water, he said that there is scarcity
of water in urban areas of this territory and the demand is ever
increasing. The capital city Port Blair is in developing stage and the
population/ buildings, infrastructure etc has raised 200% in the last
10-15 years. The requirement of water for Port Blair town alone is 68.21
Lakh gallon per day and there is a shortfall of 39 Lakh gallon per day
during peak tourist season resulting in rationing of water. As a
solution the MP suggested immediate sanction of 14 MLD Desalination
Plant is which he would be placing in the floor of the parliament.

Among the other issues highlighted by the Member of Parliament were
shortage of water in the rural areas, regularization of AYUSH Doctors
who have been working on contract basis for nearly 14 years along with
other staff; procurement of additional buses for STS under Jawaharlal
Nehru National Urban Transport Mission, pay hike of Group ‘D’ Employees,
Laying of Optical Fiber Cable landing station at Port Blair and others.

Details of the points to be raised by the Member of Parliament in the
forthcoming Lok Sabha will be carried out in our next issue.

I'm starting to get a bit tired of this subject. 
I think we have established that Survival International has broken the law, by
filming tribals where they were not supposed to be filmed. We have to find out
who from the A & N Administration was involved, and action needs to be taken
against them.
I don't think anybody who has not visited the Barefoot site, walked around, seen
the problems, has any business to comment on the issue. I haven't, thats why I
don't comment. This would be a total lack of professionalism.
More important than the hypothetical threat to the Jarawa here,  is the several
hundred cars that drive through the reserve every day to see 'mud volcanoes' at
Baratang. None of them actually go to see this. They all go hoping to see Jarawa
along the road. The convoys do not matter, since the Jarawa are found at the
jetties in Baratang. Ask them to visit the mud volcanoes by boat from Port
Blair, and you will see this business die.
In spite of the police escort there is interaction- far more in a day than
Barefoot can contemplate over a decade.
Why doesn't the A & N Administration stop this Jarawa tourism first? Why isn't
Survival International addressing the real issue? Why aren't the other tour
operators in the islands taking a stand against the hundreds of cars doing
Jarawa tourism every day?
In sorrowRauf


-------------------------

Rauf Ali

Aurodam

Auroville- 605 101



Cell: 94437 47146

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...> wrote:

From: Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...>
Subject: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 1:12 PM


























Dear Samit,



In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?



I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.



To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent. Doubtless
there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.



With best regards,

Madhusree



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Dear Samit and all others-
A Nature lover and conservationist, I feel very disturbed when I learn that a
group of people will be obliterated from the earth. Curiosity is nothing 
compared to life. We should all try to save a part of mankind, help them to live
on their own instead of doing anything; business, tourism or urbanisation. Why
do you not operate from the capital of A & N only - why do you penetrate to
others' areas- all the original people have their firs right to their land -
Sincerely,
Aju Mukhopadhyay

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, samit sawhny <samitsawhny@...> wrote:


From: samit sawhny <samitsawhny@...>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 3:43 PM








Dear Aju (and others)
 
Just a short note to remove any misconception or loss of focus my lengthy
responses may have generated. I would like to make/reiterate the following
point:
 
- Our Colinpur resort in no way seeks to market the Jarawa or allure people to
see them. Hand on heart (if that's what it takes), this is the fact of the
matter. We would not countenance any attempt by any guest to approach the Jarawa
or the Jarawa Reserve. Our being 3kms or 30kms or 300m away does not change a
guests intention to approach the Jarawa, but our policies in action can and
will.
 
Also, I would like to make a clarification
 
-  I do not raise questions on Survival International' s ethics, propriety, lack
of research etc in a bid to deflect attention from the charge leveled against
us. I am very confident of our legal and ethical standpoint in this (otherwise
we would not be there at the location) and am confident that it will stand up to
scrutiny and am willing to discuss and debate in this regard with responsible,
informed, non-sensationalist  and balanced individuals/ organizations.
I raise the questions I do only because I refuse to deal with duplicity. I am
unimpressed with Survival International' s ethical and moral standing in the
Jarawa context, and am increasingly alarmed with information I gather or receive
about their actions in this area.
 
The questions I have raised have quite simply led me to this one conclusion:
that I find it pointless to interact in this matter with Survival International
any more, as I consider it to be an organization of dubious standing in the
Jarawa context and, short of my demands for an apology and providing them with
proof of their wild inaccuracy, I see no reason to dignify their ill-informed
attacks or their organization with further response.
 
I still hold out the expectation of an apology, and would like to see it
forthcoming sooner rather than later
 
Regards
Samit Sawhny
Barefoot Resorts
 
 

____________ _________ _________ __
From: aju mukhopadhyay <ajum24@yahoo. co.in>
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 11:54:24 AM
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.

Dear friends,
Seeing these battles I strongly feel that let men not profit out of their scanty
presence. Let them live undisturbed without any visitor going near them or any
advertisement released on them. No resort be established alluring people to see
them. Stop all civilised attack on the uncivilised.
Aju Mukhopadhyay

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com>
Subject: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 11:38 AM

Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage that
was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not be ignored
that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame
the Survival International National media and the administration has also played
the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and where. Infact
many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the tribes why they are
officially not to be visited but are used for lord knows what purpuse. Those of
you who are intrested in the politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest
to read my new book- In the Forest.
Vishvajit Pandya

--- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com> wrote:

From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International in
the Andamans?
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM

See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the

jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later

published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.

http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html

Zubair Ahmed

Tel: 03192 246191

Mb: +919932081771

Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com

Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/ alfred_hitchcock
.html>

- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it

belongs."

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:

>

>

> I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise

> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I

> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot

> International and several other locations on their web site.

>

> For Survival Press Release, see

> http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663

>

> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial

> nudity in the photo.]

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg

>

> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that

> photograph is property of Survival International.

>

> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I

> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women

> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.

>

> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.

> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says

> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf

>

> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the

> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let

> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone

> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial

> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year

> old jarawa tribals as well.

>

> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &

> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is

> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put

> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the

> photographer?

>

> This leads me to the following questions:-

> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?

> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the

> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?

> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian

> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing

> them?

> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?

> How?

> (4) Who took the photograph and when?

> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in

> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?

>

> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have

> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they

> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See

>

> http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/ images/EnduringV
oicesEthicsState me.pdf

> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their

> Enduring Voices Project.)

>

>

>

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Hi Madhushree
I replied to this yesterday but the posting has not appeared on the e-group. It
has also not saved to my sent folder as I have not selected that setting.
If the message eached you directly instead, can you forward back to me for
re-posting. If not, let me know and I'll try to redraft it.
I suspect that the message is stuck in transit, as so often happens on this
e-group and will eventually be posted. Watch this space on themessage board -
reply was posted at approx (i think) 6:00pm yesterday
If you get this in your personal inbox bu not through the egroup, I request that
you post this on the egroup on my behalf
Regards
Samit




________________________________
From: Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...>
To: andamanicobar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 1:12:15 PM
Subject: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot






Dear Samit,

In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?

I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.

To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent. Doubtless
there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.

With best regards,
Madhusree

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This is a shame, must get these pictures out of the public domain.

--- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...> wrote:


From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International in
the Andamans?
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:40 AM








See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the
jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later
published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.
http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html
Zubair Ahmed
Tel: 03192 246191
Mb: +919932081771
Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com
Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/ alfred_hitchcock
.html>
- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it
belongs."

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:

>
>
> I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise
> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I
> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot
> International and several other locations on their web site.
>
> For Survival Press Release, see
> http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663
>
> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial
> nudity in the photo.]
>
> http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg
>
> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that
> photograph is property of Survival International.
>
> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I
> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women
> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.
>
> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives..
> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says
> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".
>
> http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf
>
> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the
> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let
> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone
> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial
> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year
> old jarawa tribals as well.
>
> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &
> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is
> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put
> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the
> photographer?
>
> This leads me to the following questions:-
> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?
> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the
> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?
> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian
> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing
> them?
> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?
> How?
> (4) Who took the photograph and when?
> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in
> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?
>
> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have
> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they
> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See
>
> http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/ images/EnduringV
oicesEthicsState me.pdf
> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their
> Enduring Voices Project.)
>
>
>

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here here,

couldn't have said it better myself,

we too believe "leave well alone"

and I can't help feeling this sudden attack on Survival has some
development/money motives behind it...

fPcN



On 30 Jun 2009, at 08:24, aju mukhopadhyay wrote:

> Dear friends,
> Seeing these battles I strongly feel that let men not profit out of
> their scanty presence. Let them live undisturbed without any
> visitor going near them or any advertisement released on them. No
> resort be established alluring people to see them. Stop all
> civilised attack on the uncivilised.
> Aju Mukhopadhyay
>
> --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@...>
> Subject: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the
> Andaman Islanders.
> To: andamanicobar@...
> Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 11:38 AM
>
>
> Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight
> of the Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK
> using the footage that was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may
> be correst but it can not be ignored that the means to photograph
> have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame the Survival
> International National media and the administration has also played
> the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and
> where. Infact many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the
> tribes why they are officially not to be visited but are used for
> lord knows what purpuse. Those of you who are intrested in the
> politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest to read my new
> book- In the Forest.
> Vishvajit Pandya

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first and are the last societies on earth to have a non-exploitative
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Dear All,
  From the passion that we are seeing on this issue, it is obvious that
both organizations (Barefoot and Survival) have specific interests and
focus ..
We now acknowledge the ATR problem with regard to Jarawas and
probably at the time of construction of ATR, similar concerns would have
been raised
and there would have been reassurances to NIL effect of ATR on Jarawas,
but we see that the reality is different ..
Are we not repeating a similar mistake now in building a resort
in close proximity to the tribal area ..
Barefoot may ensure that the resort does not impinge on the tribals
but it  may not take long for others to set up resorts nearby quoting
precedent of barefoot and then where does it go ?...
Also, the entire North Andaman is waiting to be tapped for tourism
development in areas like Diglipur and Barefoot can surely step in
such areas, without any conflict of interest ...
Narayan, Port Blair
Madhusree Mukerjee wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear Samit,
>
> In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well
> advised by some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do
> not see the problems with our resort that you do and no merit in your
> argument." Please could you share with us the names of these experts?
>
> I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with
> local villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no
> doubt aware, they could be very easily induced to visit more
> frequently, by means of small handouts. Even if you are too ethical to
> resort to such practices, there is no guarantee that others will be.
> If you win this case against the administration, as you seem confident
> of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other resort operator
> from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will become a
> fact of life.
>
> To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent.
> Doubtless there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share
> with us their testimonies.
>
> With best regards,
> Madhusree
>
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>
>




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Dear All
It is matter of great surprise and regret that the Barefoot Resorts going to
establish celebrity resorts in Colinpur area. Colinpur is near Tirur where
Jarawa tribles habitat. Already Jarawa population is decreasing day by day,
civilians were entered in their area, and government allotted farming land
to the settlers in the Jarawa area. Now by giving permission to establish
resorts, are we want to destroy Jarawa completely? Barefoot Resorts had
earlier won the case in the lower courts shows that we are not serious about
the survival of Jarawa. The development of such resorts will increase the
mobility of people in the area which will certainly affect the Jarawas
existence.
Before giving such permission we have to think on the matter are we want to
finish the Jarawa community or want to convert them into civilians? Already
civilians snatched so many things from Jarawa, and blamed that Jarawa are
inhuman. Every, Andmani and Human Rights Activists & Tribal Rights
Protection Organizations, Institutions should have to oppose such projects
and every similar type of efforts which are going to disturb the Jarawa
habitat and throwing their existence in danger.


*Sharad Pant*

Development Consultant

JHANSI (UP)

INDIA


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Dear Madhushree

Your post and my previous post, although timed apart, seem to have arrived on
the e-group simultaneously, at approx 5pm (because of a filter? the egroup seems
to post in batches), hence a response to your email was not included there. I do
welcome your contribution and will seek to address it as below.

As per your request for names of researchers we have contacted and have been in
touch with over the years, and through the course of this debate, I will
certainly ask those whom we have consulted if they wish to contribute to this
forum. In fact, I do so through this email posting as all of them are members of
this forum: please do contribute either by sharing some of the emails or
conversations you have shared with me or just share your viewpoint. The choice
is theirs, not mine.

Broadly though, Madhushree, for the purposes of elaboration, I do not claim any
researcher is an enthusiastic supporter of the resort. Just that they
are indifferent towards it. What I do say is that these individuals do not see
the 'potential genocide' problem that SI does. So if the wording of my text that
you quote is emphatic, let this clarification ensure that it is not misleading.

I note you say that "Jarawa tourism WILL become a fact of life.". Madhushree -
as you are well aware, Jarawa tourism, most unfortunately, IS already a fact of
life and has been for many years. But let me add here that I do not condone it
and that I strongly disagree with it (Jarawa Tourism).

As it is, people who wish to see Jarawa just have to take a journey on the
Andaman Trunk Road. Or hang around Baratang Jetty. Or Kadamtala. Or Shoal Bay.
It is as easy as that. Tour operators advertise this. Packages are sold based on
this, upto 500 people per day go on this unfortunate 'safari' each day during
tourist season. The Jarawa (a section of them) wilfully collaborate in this.
These are the sad facts on the ground, and it has been so for many years.

Regarding setting a precedent:  I don't see how Barefoot is setting any
precedent,because:
(1) There already is tourism at Colinpur and there has been tourism at Colinpur
for 10 years now. The Government itself has tourist rest facilities at Colinpur,
on the boundary of our resort. Maruti Van-loads of tourists visit Colinpur beach
daily and have done so for years.
(2) There are already resorts and bars in much closer proximity to the Jarawa
Reserve than our resort.

I fail to see why Barefoot (unfortunately termed as a 'celebrity resort'), with
no intention of contacting or inducing the Jarawa, should now excite attention
other than for the fact that it is Barefoot and hence deemed by some to be
newsworthy. Seems to me that a issue needs to be sufficiently 'sexy' before it
is deemed worthy of debate. In fact, most ill-informed, harmful and voyeuristic
Jarawa tourism happens at the lower end of the market - through the package
tourists that throng the ATR. These, as you are well aware, are not our
clientele. Our clientele are mostly scuba divers and nature lovers. And we
operate responsibly. We are confident that none of our guests will seek out the
Jarawa or seek to enter the reserve; on the odd chance that they do (and even
people staying in Port Blair town may and do try, as SI have themselves proved),
they will be dealt with severely. 

Madhushree: do visit the location. You will see that it is stunningly beautiful.
It is also one of extremely few beaches in South Andaman Island (where all
planes land) that front private revenue land and are suitable for a resort.
Apart from Corbyn's Cove, there is no significant beachfront revenue land on the
east coast. On the west coast, the revenue land exists only at BadaBalu (tsunami
affected and unclear land title), at Wandoor and at Colinpur (not counting land
held in cooperative societies which are outside the potential resort pool).
Wandoor is too cluttered and a sizeable landholding is not available there. This
is why we are at Colinpur. I stand by the statement that the location of this
resort has nothing to do with the Jarawa. However, I am open to suggestions from
concerned individuals who wish to work with us to mitigate any perceived dangers
- you will find us not inflexible to any reasonable approaches from people who
have doubts, and
  are even open to continuous or regular audit by a group of luminaries in the
field. This offer of openness is not made lighlty and will be honoured: we are
confident of standing up to scrutiny. Do take the intiative to form such a group
if you choose, you will find us supportive.

I note your question about the chance of and the history of Jarawa individuals
visiting Colinpur. I have already (in my first response to SI) noted the history
of Jarawa visits to Colinpur and the reasons that gave rise to them and actions
we undertook to stop this. You wil find this on our website
www.barefootindia.com under 'response to survival' or even in your inbox in
my first mail to this egroup on this subject

In further answer to the the chance of Jarawa interaction, there are two parts
to this: the first part being tourists accessing the Jarawa Reserve/the Jarawa
(which I have addressed) and the second part being the chance of Jarawa
accessing Colinpur. Every step is taken by Barefoot to minimise this second
chance (see the link above) and we are open to suggestions for more. The
Adminsitration has its Bush Police Posts to also check this. But most
importantly, the Jarawa themselves have their own right to roam,  and the right
to make free decisions - including the right to leave their reserve, and, since
none of us can speak for their best interests nor pre-determine for them how
they should experience the wider world if they choose to seek it, I would say
that they have the right to experience it (the wider world) as they see fit. I
think this is well in the spirit of the tribal policy of leaving them to their
own genius. I do not say this to make a
  debating point. I say this because I believe that, as a society, our
responsibility to the Jarawa lies in:

1) Protecting their land. This is sancrosanct as are their rights to all within
it.
2) Ensuring no trespass on their land
3) Ensuring no forced contact with outsiders (non Jarawa)
4) Allowing them to be the choosers of contact - if they choose contact on their
own and assuming the reserve is inviolate, they will then leave the Reserve on
their own for whatever time period and upto whatever distance they choose, of
their own volition. (Noted Jarawa experts have, in research papers, stated that
the Jarawa are aware broadly of the extent of the Reserve and that it is their
land: they do understand the boundary. I will try to find an appropriate
reference for you, if you desire but, as I find my time getting consumed by
this, will not do so unless you specifically ask me to dig out the reference -
am not being cussed, just lazy)
5) Not predeterming any interaction with the outside world that the Jarawa
choose to have, barring the illegal

We operate within this construct with clear conscience.

Do let me know if you require any further clarification.

I will be travelling (no consistent internet connectivity in all likelihood)
between 5th July and 20th July. I mention this because, if 5 days later my
responses begin to dry up - there is no other reason, and normal service will
resume thereafter

Regards
Samit




________________________________
From: Madhusree Mukerjee <lopchu@...>
To: andamanicobar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 1:12:15 PM
Subject: [andamanicobar] query for Barefoot






Dear Samit,

In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?

I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.

To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent. Doubtless
there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.

With best regards,
Madhusree

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Dear All,
The debate going on is unfortunate and gives the impression that members of
two warring parties are just using this space. Two wrongs doesn't make it
right. So attacking the NGO for photographing Jarawas without valid
permissions doesn't enhance the legality of the case of the resort coming up
close to the Jarawas. Neither am I happy with anyone trying to use the
Jarawas.

It is a fact that in India tourism hasn't helped in conservation despite lot
of claims to the contrary. Setting up a resort a few kilometers close to the
Jarawas is definitely going to raise the level of interest and expectations
of the tourists. Despite assurances who is going to check the activities of
the tourists and the resort?  I have seen enough of the high end tourism and
can say that all these claims ring hollow.

Jarawas have a right to live undisturbed. Let there be no resorts or
"civilised human habitations" near their area.

May God Bless the Jarawas.

Cheers,
Sabyasachi



On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:43 PM, samit sawhny <samitsawhny@...>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Aju (and others)
>
> Just a short note to remove any misconception or loss of focus my lengthy
> responses may have generated. I would like to make/reiterate the following
> point:
>
> - Our Colinpur resort in no way seeks to market the Jarawa or allure people
> to see them. Hand on heart (if that's what it takes), this is the fact of
> the matter. We would not countenance any attempt by any guest to approach
> the Jarawa or the Jarawa Reserve. Our being 3kms or 30kms or 300m away does
> not change a guests intention to approach the Jarawa, but our policies in
> action can and will.
>
> Also, I would like to make a clarification
>
> -  I do not raise questions on Survival International's ethics, propriety,
> lack of research etc in a bid to deflect attention from the charge leveled
> against us. I am very confident of our legal and ethical standpoint in this
> (otherwise we would not be there at the location) and am confident that it
> will stand up to scrutiny and am willing to discuss and debate in this
> regard with responsible, informed, non-sensationalist and balanced
> individuals/organizations.
> I raise the questions I do only because I refuse to deal with duplicity. I
> am unimpressed with Survival International's ethical and moral standing in
> the Jarawa context, and am increasingly alarmed with information I gather or
> receive about their actions in this area.
>
> The questions I have raised have quite simply led me to this one
> conclusion: that I find it pointless to interact in this matter with
> Survival International any more, as I consider it to be an organization of
> dubious standing in the Jarawa context and, short of my demands for an
> apology and providing them with proof of their wild inaccuracy, I see no
> reason to dignify their ill-informed attacks or their organization with
> further response.
>
> I still hold out the expectation of an apology, and would like to see it
> forthcoming sooner rather than later
>
> Regards
> Samit Sawhny
> Barefoot Resorts
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: aju mukhopadhyay <ajum24@... <ajum24%40yahoo.co.in>>
>
> To: andamanicobar@... <andamanicobar%40yahoogroups.co.in>
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 11:54:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the
> Andaman Islanders.
>
>
> Dear friends,
> Seeing these battles I strongly feel that let men not profit out of their
> scanty presence. Let them live undisturbed without any visitor going near
> them or any advertisement released on them. No resort be established
> alluring people to see them. Stop all civilised attack on the uncivilised.
> Aju Mukhopadhyay
>
> --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
> Islanders.
> To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 11:38 AM
>
> Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
> Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage
> that was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not
> be ignored that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then
> why onlyblame the Survival International National media and the
> administration has also played the politics of what and who can photograph
> and show it when and where. Infact many of the tourist sites on the web
> allude to the tribes why they are officially not to be visited but are used
> for lord knows what purpuse. Those of you who are intrested in the politics
> of photography on Andamans may I suggest to read my new book- In the Forest.
> Vishvajit Pandya
>
> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival
> International in the Andamans?
> To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM
>
> See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the
>
> jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later
>
> published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.
>
> http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html
>
> Zubair Ahmed
>
> Tel: 03192 246191
>
> Mb: +919932081771
>
> Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com
>
> Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/
> alfred_hitchcock .html>
>
> - "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it
>
> belongs."
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to
> raise
>
> > some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using.
> I
>
> > refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot
>
> > International and several other locations on their web site.
>
> >
>
> > For Survival Press Release, see
>
> > http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663
>
> >
>
> > For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial
>
> > nudity in the photo.]
>
> >
>
> > http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_
> Galleries/ jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg
>
> >
>
> > Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that
>
> > photograph is property of Survival International.
>
> >
>
> > The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction.
> I
>
> > want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa
> women
>
> > prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.
>
> >
>
> > Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and
> Lives.
>
> > 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says
>
> > "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".
>
> >
>
> > http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material
> /50_80_184_ storiesandlives. pdf
>
> >
>
> > If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for
> the
>
> > first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let
>
> > alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure
> everyone
>
> > on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to
> nude/partial
>
> > nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15
> year
>
> > old jarawa tribals as well.
>
> >
>
> > There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &
>
> > associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She
> is
>
> > seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put
>
> > these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the
>
> > photographer?
>
> >
>
> > This leads me to the following questions:-
>
> > (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or
> outside?
>
> > If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the
>
> > Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?
>
> > (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian
>
> > government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing
>
> > them?
>
> > (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?
>
> > How?
>
> > (4) Who took the photograph and when?
>
> > (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in
>
> > order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?
>
> >
>
> > Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have
>
> > all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe,
> they
>
> > will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See
>
> >
>
> > http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/
> images/EnduringV oicesEthicsState me.pdf
>
> > for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their
>
> > Enduring Voices Project.)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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Dear Aju (and others)
 
Just a short note to remove any misconception or loss of focus my lengthy
responses may have generated. I would like to make/reiterate the following
point:
 
- Our Colinpur resort in no way seeks to market the Jarawa or allure people to
see them. Hand on heart (if that's what it takes), this is the fact of the
matter. We would not countenance any attempt by any guest to approach the Jarawa
or the Jarawa Reserve. Our being 3kms or 30kms or 300m away does not change a
guests intention to approach the Jarawa, but our policies in action can and
will.
 
Also, I would like to make a clarification
 
-  I do not raise questions on Survival International's ethics, propriety, lack
of research etc in a bid to deflect attention from the charge leveled against
us. I am very confident of our legal and ethical standpoint in this (otherwise
we would not be there at the location) and am confident that it will stand up to
scrutiny and am willing to discuss and debate in this regard with responsible,
informed, non-sensationalist and balanced individuals/organizations.
I raise the questions I do only because I refuse to deal with duplicity. I am
unimpressed with Survival International's ethical and moral standing in the
Jarawa context, and am increasingly alarmed with information I gather or receive
about their actions in this area.
 
The questions I have raised have quite simply led me to this one conclusion:
that I find it pointless to interact in this matter with Survival International
any more, as I consider it to be an organization of dubious standing in the
Jarawa context and, short of my demands for an apology and providing them with
proof of their wild inaccuracy, I see no reason to dignify their ill-informed
attacks or their organization with further response.
 
I still hold out the expectation of an apology, and would like to see it
forthcoming sooner rather than later
 
Regards
Samit Sawhny
Barefoot Resorts
 
 




________________________________
From: aju mukhopadhyay <ajum24@...>
To: andamanicobar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 11:54:24 AM
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.





Dear friends,
Seeing these battles I strongly feel that let men not profit out of their scanty
presence. Let them live undisturbed without any visitor going near them or any
advertisement released on them. No resort be established alluring people to see
them. Stop all civilised attack on the uncivilised.
Aju Mukhopadhyay

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@yahoo. com>
Subject: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 11:38 AM

Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage that
was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not be ignored
that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame
the Survival International National media and the administration has also played
the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and where. Infact
many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the tribes why they are
officially not to be visited but are used for lord knows what purpuse. Those of
you who are intrested in the politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest
to read my new book- In the Forest.
Vishvajit Pandya

--- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com> wrote:

From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International in
the Andamans?
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM

See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the

jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later

published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.

http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html

Zubair Ahmed

Tel: 03192 246191

Mb: +919932081771

Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com

Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/ alfred_hitchcock
.html>

- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it

belongs."

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:

>

>

> I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise

> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I

> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot

> International and several other locations on their web site.

>

> For Survival Press Release, see

> http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663

>

> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial

> nudity in the photo.]

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg

>

> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that

> photograph is property of Survival International.

>

> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I

> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women

> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.

>

> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.

> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says

> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf

>

> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the

> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let

> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone

> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial

> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year

> old jarawa tribals as well.

>

> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &

> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is

> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put

> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the

> photographer?

>

> This leads me to the following questions:-

> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?

> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the

> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?

> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian

> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing

> them?

> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?

> How?

> (4) Who took the photograph and when?

> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in

> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?

>

> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have

> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they

> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See

>

> http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/ images/EnduringV
oicesEthicsState me.pdf

> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their

> Enduring Voices Project.)

>

>

>

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Dear Samit,

In one of your letters to Survival, you state: "I am already well advised by
some of the country´s leading experts on the Jarawa, who do not see the problems
with our resort that you do and no merit in your argument." Please could you
share with us the names of these experts?

I am told that the Jarawa visit Collinpur regularly and interact with local
villagers, and that they also come to the beach. As you are no doubt aware, they
could be very easily induced to visit more frequently, by means of small
handouts. Even if you are too ethical to resort to such practices, there is no
guarantee that others will be. If you win this case against the administration,
as you seem confident of doing, no one will be able to stop you or any other
resort operator from setting up shop in this location. Jarawa tourism will
become a fact of life.

To my mind this resort and this court case sets a dangerous precedent. Doubtless
there are experts who disagree, and I hope you can share with us their
testimonies.

With best regards,
Madhusree


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Dear friends,
Seeing these battles I strongly feel that let men not profit out of their scanty
presence. Let them live undisturbed without any visitor going near them or any
advertisement released on them. No resort be established alluring people to see
them. Stop all civilised attack on the uncivilised.
Aju Mukhopadhyay

--- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@...> wrote:


From: Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@...>
Subject: [andamanicobar] Photography a powerby exercise among the Andaman
Islanders.
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 11:38 AM








Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage that
was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not be ignored
that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame
the Survival International National media and the administration has also played
the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and where. Infact
many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the tribes why they are
officially not to be visited but are used for lord knows what purpuse. Those of
you who are intrested in the politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest
to read my new book- In the Forest.
Vishvajit Pandya

--- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com> wrote:

From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International in
the Andamans?
To: andamanicobar@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM

See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the

jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later

published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.

http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html

Zubair Ahmed

Tel: 03192 246191

Mb: +919932081771

Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com

Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/ alfred_hitchcock
.html>

- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it

belongs."

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:

>

>

> I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise

> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I

> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot

> International and several other locations on their web site.

>

> For Survival Press Release, see

> http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663

>

> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial

> nudity in the photo.]

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg

>

> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that

> photograph is property of Survival International.

>

> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I

> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women

> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.

>

> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.

> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says

> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf

>

> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the

> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let

> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone

> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial

> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year

> old jarawa tribals as well.

>

> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &

> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is

> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put

> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the

> photographer?

>

> This leads me to the following questions:-

> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?

> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the

> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?

> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian

> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing

> them?

> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?

> How?

> (4) Who took the photograph and when?

> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in

> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?

>

> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have

> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they

> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See

>

> http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/ images/EnduringV
oicesEthicsState me.pdf

> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their

> Enduring Voices Project.)

>

>

>

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Zubair, Thank you so much for bringing that to this forums attention.

      Miriam Ross, from Survival International, is an active member of this
group. She could easily clarify as to whether Thierry Falise has ever been
engaged by Survival International to take photographs of the Jarawa tribals.

      See Photo Credits in
http://www.survival.es/files/books/Survival2005.pdf
http://www.survival-international.org/files/pressroom/37_89_364_BAU%20jarawa%20j\
ul%2005.pdf

      Photo Credits clearly state Thierry Falise.


--- In andamanicobar@..., zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...> wrote:
>
> See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the
> jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later
> published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.
> http://www.thierryfalise.com/www/Jarawas_page.html
> Zubair Ahmed
> Tel: 03192 246191
> Mb: +919932081771
> Email: zubairpbl@...
> Alfred
Hitchcock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alfred_hitchcock.html>
> - "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it
> belongs."
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have been browsing Survivial International's web site and wish to raise
> > some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I
> > refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot
> > International and several other locations on their web site.
> >
> > For Survival Press Release, see
> > http://www.survival-international.org/news/4663
> >
> > For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial
> > nudity in the photo.]
> >
> >
http://www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/Image_Galleries/jarawa/800\
x600/JARAWA30_medium.jpg
> >
> > Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that
> > photograph is property of Survival International.
> >
> > The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I
> > want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women
> > prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.
> >
> > Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.
> > 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says
> > "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".
> >
> >
http://www.survival-international.org/files/related_material/50_80_184_storiesan\
dlives.pdf
> >
> > If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the
> > first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let
> > alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone
> > on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial
> > nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year
> > old jarawa tribals as well.
> >
> > There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &
> > associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is
> > seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put
> > these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the
> > photographer?
> >
> > This leads me to the following questions:-
> > (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?
> > If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the
> > Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?
> > (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian
> > government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing
> > them?
> > (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?
> > How?
> > (4) Who took the photograph and when?
> > (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in
> > order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?
> >
> > Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have
> > all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they
> > will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See
> >
> >
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mission/enduringvoices/images/EnduringVoicesEt\
hicsStateme.pdf
> > for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their
> > Enduring Voices Project.)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Vishvajit,

     You raise an excellent point. Why is the administration allowing
photographers to violate the laws so blatantly?! Why has the national media
ignored this issue ? Found this excellent article by National Geographic that
contains information on Photographic Ethics standards in use on one of their
projects.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mission/enduringvoices/images/EnduringVoicesEt\
hicsStateme.pdf

I quote from the document "All photographs and video taken of cultural and
tribal people, as well as images of the land—including sacred lands—have been
taken with strict permission from those
individuals, and from the traditional owners of the land that we have been
invited onto. For any images that are deemed suitable for media use, permission
has been given for specific usage. In addition the names of individuals, their
tribal affiliation, and their land
names have been carefully documented and included in captions where appropriate.
We understand the photographing of people and their land is an act of trust and
is completed with respect and understanding to the laws and traditions of the
people involved. The Enduring Voices Project film and photography archive has
been designed to be an
archive of culture for future generations."

It would be wonderful if organisations like Survival would adhere to such
standards, administration enforce such standards and national media alert the
public to any violations.

--- In andamanicobar@..., Vishvajit Pandya <pandyav@...> wrote:
>
> Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage that
was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not be ignored
that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame
the Survival International National media and the administration has also played
the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and where. Infact
many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the tribes why they are
officially not to be visited but are used for lord knows what purpuse. Those of
you who are intrested in the politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest
to read my new book- In the Forest.
> Vishvajit Pandya
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...> wrote:
>
> From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...>
> Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International 
in the Andamans?
> To: andamanicobar@...
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with
the
>
> jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later
>
> published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.
>
> http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html
>
> Zubair Ahmed
>
> Tel: 03192 246191
>
> Mb: +919932081771
>
> Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com
>
> Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/
alfred_hitchcock .html>
>
> - "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it
>
> belongs."
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise
>
> > some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I
>
> > refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot
>
> > International and several other locations on their web site.
>
> >
>
> > For Survival Press Release, see
>
> > http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663
>
> >
>
> > For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial
>
> > nudity in the photo.]
>
> >
>
> > http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg
>
> >
>
> > Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that
>
> > photograph is property of Survival International.
>
> >
>
> > The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I
>
> > want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women
>
> > prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.
>
> >
>
> > Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.
>
> > 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says
>
> > "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".
>
> >
>
> > http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf
>
> >
>
> > If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the
>
> > first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let
>
> > alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone
>
> > on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial
>
> > nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year
>
> > old jarawa tribals as well.
>
> >
>
> > There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &
>
> > associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is
>
> > seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put
>
> > these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the
>
> > photographer?
>
> >
>
> > This leads me to the following questions:-
>
> > (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?
>
> > If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the
>
> > Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?
>
> > (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian
>
> > government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing
>
> > them?
>
> > (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?
>
> > How?
>
> > (4) Who took the photograph and when?
>
> > (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in
>
> > order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?
>
> >
>
> > Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have
>
> > all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they
>
> > will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See
>
> >
>
> > http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/
images/EnduringV oicesEthicsState me.pdf
>
> > for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their
>
> > Enduring Voices Project.)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Survival International in order to draw the attention to the plight of the
Jarawas has even put up an exhibition in a musuem in UK using the footage that
was acquired in dubious ways. The cause may be correst but it can not be ignored
that the means to photograph have always been dubious. But then why onlyblame
the Survival International National media and the administration has also played
the politics of what and who can photograph and show it when and where. Infact
many of the tourist sites on the web allude to the tribes why they are
officially not to be visited but are used for lord knows what purpuse. Those of
you who are intrested in the politics of photography on Andamans may I suggest
to read my new book- In the Forest.
Vishvajit Pandya


--- On Tue, 6/30/09, zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...> wrote:

From: zubair ahmed <zubairpbl@...>
Subject: Re: [andamanicobar] Unethical Photography by Survival International  in
the Andamans?
To: andamanicobar@...
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:10 PM

















       See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with
the

jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later

published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.

http://www.thierryf alise.com/ www/Jarawas_ page.html

Zubair Ahmed

Tel: 03192 246191

Mb: +919932081771

Email: zubairpbl@gmail. com

Alfred Hitchcock<http://www.brainyqu ote.com/quotes/ authors/a/ alfred_hitchcock
.html>

- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it

belongs."



On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@gmail. com> wrote:



>

>

> I have been browsing Survivial International' s web site and wish to raise

> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I

> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot

> International and several other locations on their web site.

>

> For Survival Press Release, see

> http://www.survival -international. org/news/ 4663

>

> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial

> nudity in the photo.]

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/lib/img/ gallery/Image_ Galleries/
jarawa/800x600/ JARAWA30_ medium.jpg

>

> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that

> photograph is property of Survival International.

>

> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I

> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women

> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.

>

> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.

> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says

> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".

>

> http://www.survival -international. org/files/ related_material /50_80_184_
storiesandlives. pdf

>

> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the

> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let

> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone

> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial

> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year

> old jarawa tribals as well.

>

> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &

> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is

> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put

> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the

> photographer?

>

> This leads me to the following questions:-

> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?

> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the

> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?

> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian

> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing

> them?

> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?

> How?

> (4) Who took the photograph and when?

> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in

> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?

>

> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have

> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they

> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See

>

> http://www.national geographic. com/mission/ enduringvoices/ images/EnduringV
oicesEthicsState me.pdf

> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their

> Enduring Voices Project.)

>

>

>



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See the following link. The photographer without permission stayed with the
jarawas for a couple of days and also shared food with them. He later
published a feature in "The Bangkok Post" about the adventure.
http://www.thierryfalise.com/www/Jarawas_page.html
Zubair Ahmed
Tel: 03192 246191
Mb: +919932081771
Email: zubairpbl@...
Alfred
Hitchcock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alfred_hitchcock.html>
- "Television has brought back murder into the home - where it
belongs."

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, rohan_ryan <rohanryan@...> wrote:

>
>
> I have been browsing Survivial International's web site and wish to raise
> some possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I
> refer to the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot
> International and several other locations on their web site.
>
> For Survival Press Release, see
> http://www.survival-international.org/news/4663
>
> For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial
> nudity in the photo.]
>
>
http://www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/Image_Galleries/jarawa/800\
x600/JARAWA30_medium.jpg
>
> Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that
> photograph is property of Survival International.
>
> The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I
> want to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women
> prior to taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.
>
> Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives.
> 21st Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says
> "This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".
>
>
http://www.survival-international.org/files/related_material/50_80_184_storiesan\
dlives.pdf
>
> If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the
> first time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let
> alone be able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone
> on this forum will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial
> nude photography of a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year
> old jarawa tribals as well.
>
> There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &
> associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is
> seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put
> these Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the
> photographer?
>
> This leads me to the following questions:-
> (1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside?
> If inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the
> Indian government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?
> (2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian
> government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing
> them?
> (3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified?
> How?
> (4) Who took the photograph and when?
> (5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in
> order to take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?
>
> Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have
> all this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they
> will also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See
>
>
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mission/enduringvoices/images/EnduringVoicesEt\
hicsStateme.pdf
> for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their
> Enduring Voices Project.)
>
>
>


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I have been browsing Survivial International's web site and wish to raise some
possible ethical issues with some of the photography they are using. I refer to
the photo used in the Press Release regarding Barefoot International and several
other locations on their web site.

For Survival Press Release, see
http://www.survival-international.org/news/4663

For larger more detailed image, see [WARNING: There is visible partial nudity in
the photo.]
http://www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/Image_Galleries/jarawa/800\
x600/JARAWA30_medium.jpg

Please note the Copyright message in bottom left corner indicating that
photograph is property of Survival International.

The photo shows two Jarawa women looking in the photographers direction. I want
to know if Survival International verified the age of the Jarawa women prior to
taking this photo and also want to raise the issue of Consent.

Please see Page 4 in Survival International PDF titled "Stories and Lives. 21st
Century Tribal Peoples", the caption says
"This Jarawa woman is seeing a camera for the first time".
http://www.survival-international.org/files/related_material/50_80_184_storiesan\
dlives.pdf

If these women belong to the isolated Jarawa, were seeing a camera for the first
time, I really doubt if they understood the concept of consent, let alone be
able to communicate consent to be photographed. I am sure everyone on this forum
will unanimously agree that the laws related to nude/partial nude photography of
a 15 year old white caucasian applies to female 15 year old jarawa tribals as
well.

There is also the issue of proximity. It is obvious in the photograph &
associated caption that the Jarawa woman is peering into the camera. (She is
seeing the camera for the first time and is curious) Would that not put these
Jarawa women at risk of catching infectious diseases from the photographer?

This leads me to the following questions:-
(1) Where was this photograph taken? Inside the Jarawa reserve? or outside? If
inside, did the photographer have the approprate approvals from the Indian
government to be inside the Jarawa reserve?
(2) Did the photographer have the appropriate approvals from the Indian
government to be in contact with the Jarawa tribals and be photographing them?
(3) Was the age of the partially naked women being photographed verified? How?
(4) Who took the photograph and when?
(5) How close was the photographer to his subjects and for how long in order to
take this photograph and any other unpublished photographs?

Survival International as a professionally run charity will no doubt have all
this information on file and post it promptly on this forum. Maybe, they will
also share with us their photographic ethics standards. (See
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/mission/enduringvoices/images/EnduringVoicesEt\
hicsStateme.pdf
for a detailed ethics statement prepared by National Geographic for their
Enduring Voices Project.)

I quote from the Survival International blog.
http://www.survival-international.org/blog

  "Somewhat fittingly for a member of one of the least contacted tribes in the
world, Google respected the privacy of our Stamp It Out campaign's Jarawa model
by blurring out her face in Google Street View:"

Please note here the use of the phrase "Jarawa model"

I find the blatant hypocrisy frankly quite astonishing!!. Survival International
is applauding Google respect of a models privacy, at the same time Survival
International themselves shows scant regard for the model's privacy. The model's
photograph is plastered all over their web site, their material soliciting
donations, the facade of the Survival International store and even the same Blog
web page !!! Or do Survival International believe that Google should respect the
privacy of the Jarawa, but Survival International is somehow exempt?!

  Even worse, it is quite likely that the Jarawa did not know she was being
photographed and did not provide consent. In Survival's own words "This Jarawa
woman is seeing a camera for the first time."

View Page 4 in Survival PDF titled "Stories and Lives. 21st Century Tribal
Peoples"

www.survival-international.org/.../50_80_184_storiesandlives.pdf