Sign In
New User? Register
biharchintan · Bihar Chintan
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
You can set the sort order of messages? Just click on the link in the date column. Your preferences will be remembered, so you don't have to do it again when you return.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Pre Flood Yatra   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #131 of 1510 |
Re: RE: [biharchintan] Pre Flood Yatra

Dear Mishra Ji,
Let me assure you that I fully agree with you. The proposed Padyatra aims at exploring and igniting the internal possibilities of our societies facing floods. If you have read my dispatch I clearly articulated my position that I have not only doubts about 'external money' but also our dependence on the government. This Padyatra is to test this premise, as it were, that our villages have enough experience to teach us and our experts more than a few lessons on flood management and are capable enough to harness their own resources to take care of some very basic needs. In fact I propose further that each one of us who wants to join the Padyatra must declare that they will use no money on the way and will submit themselves to the magnanimity of the villagers to take care of us - our food, shelter etc. I am more han sure that for whom many of us 'keep begging' for funds from outside can actually take care of us if we genuinely believe in the cause.
 
regards,
 
Vagish
----- Original Message -----
Cc: S R Jha
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [biharchintan] Pre Flood Yatra


Dear All,

I have a very sad evaluation of last years' involvement. The entire activity centred around raising funds for carrying out relief operations. Once that was achieved, the enthusiasm to do anything slumped down and there was a prolonged silence thereafter. This, I had cautioned in the very beginning and that was the reason why I maintained a distance from the events.

I still maintain that relief is not the answer to the problems of floods in north Bihar. With all the humility at my command, if the Padyatras are aimed at attracting funds for carrying out relief and inaction later,I must say, our routes are different.

Dinesh Mishra



On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 S R Jha wrote :
>
>Very good plan of action. Pl. let me know if I can do something to make it a success. I do agree that the area you have selected for the Pad Yatra is the worst affected. But, a substantial portion of Madhubani district is also affected badly by floods. Anyway, the problems are similar and it may not be possible to cover such a large area in such a short span of time.
>
>Sudip R Jha
>School of Sciences
>IGNOU, New Delhi
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
> From: vagish Jha [mailto:vagishkj@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:31 AM
>To: Bihar Chintan
>Subject: [biharchintan] Pre Flood Yatra
>
>
>
>Dear Mishra Ji & Friends,
>
>The concerns of Shri D K Mishra are very genuine. Let me add to it some more.
>
>To make an assessment of the Pre flood (or should we say
>pre-waterlogging) situation in the Koshi area, recently I spent one
>week in a remote village on the banks of Koshi along with another
>journalist friend of Bihar Chintan Shri Chandrashekharam.  (A small
>reportage enclosed)
>
>After we returned, we had a meeting at Khagaria of some 50 odd people
>belonging to Voluntary organisations and some respectatable people of
>Civil Society to discuss the issue. We felt that most of us wait for
>the annual floods to come. many of our NGO friends have already drawn
>plans for relief work for the ensuing flood. But what we need to be
>concerned about is some measures that we could take before the flood
>to meet some basic and essential needs of those who are going to be
>affected. There are some very basic needs that could be addressed
>including (1) Constructing temporary community latrines out of bamboo
>(2) Make some arrangement of drinking water by a) providing hand pumps
>at the embankment where they take shelter for three months or so b)
>arrange for some additional pipes to raise the head of existing hand
>pumps in the waterlogged area, keep adequate quantities of Halogen
>tablets for cleaning of water or any such other method (3) make
>arrangements for the fodder to the cattle and (4) make some kind of
>hospital on boat with a qualified doctor and some basic medicines
>holding regular OPD in one village which is centrally located in a
>cluster. Snake-bite medicines and other SOS medicines can be kept as
>first aid kit in each village . These basic support will go a long way
>in making the sufferings of people much less. As the flood recedes, we
>need good amount of disinfectant such as bleaching powder in those
>areas. They altogether cost very little and if all those who work in
>these areas could pool even some personal contribution it could be
>organised easily. The question, however, is are we prepared for such a
>'tedious and non-glamourous' initiative?
>
>My personal feeling is that we must think of a viable alternative to
>our dependence on 'external' support. We can't even depend on
>government support as it would come on 15th hour, if at all it comes
>and in whatever measure it comes.  The basic question here is that
>have our villages lost their own internal energies to take care of
>their basic needs even? Can't we harness the internal resources and
>work out an independent mechanism? I am not proposing that we should
>leave the government alone or should not make them accountable for
>delegating their responsibilities. We must. For example, we are about
>to hear from the district ot local administration that "all the
>preperations for dealing with flood are done". We must ask them to
>spell out in clear terms as to what are the preparations they have
>done? Similarly, there is a need to do a very hard and consistant
>lobbying with polititians to educate them about the dynamics and
>reality of flood so that they get out of the 'Nepal Syndrome', which
>essentially is an 'ostrich alibi' and nothing else.
>
>But leaving apart these bigger quetions we must do some modest
>beginning at the local level with local resources. What could be the
>actual modality of such an initiative? To understand this in a better
>way some of us are planning to undertake Pad Yatra in the area. We
>felt that Katyayani Sthan (between Mansi and Saharsa near Dhamara Ghat
>Railway Station), Kusheshwar Sthan and Sigheswar Sthan makes a
>triangle which is worse affected by the water logging. So we are
>planning to undertake first of our Pad yatra between Kusheshwar Sthan
>to Katyayani sthan towards the mid of the month of May. Later we will
>go from Kusheshwar to Sigheshwar also. What we intend to do is to
>interact with the villagers and work out some initiatives that they
>themselves could take before the flood comes. We would like to invite
>those interested in Botany, zoology, geology, medicine, environment,
>soil and so on to come with us. We plan to launch on this yatra
>without any money with us. We will depend upon the villagers to take
>care of us (and we are confident that they will) as we take shelter in
>a village and have meetings there. If we get good support from frinds
>we can come up with an authentic report which will help us understand
>the situation more closely and lobby with various people about some
>initiatives that can be taken locally.
>
>Subsequently, we could think of holding a meeting at Patna involving
>NGOs, polititians, bureaucrats, members of civil society to draw
>attention to the issue of flood in early June.
>
>Your suggestions and response would be great help in materialising the
>Bihar Chintan initiative, as always.
>
>Thanks and regards,
>
>Vagish K Jha
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: Dinesh Kumar Mishra
>To: biharchintan@...
>Cc: Kumar,Dalip ; mathewc@... ; sushant@... ;
>ctddsf ; gpf@... ; anilg@... ;
>samta_khagaria@... ; mansoormozaffar@... ;
>nelabh@...
>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:25 AM
>Subject: [biharchintan] Bihar Floods
>
>  Bihar Flood Dispatch-1
>19th March 2005
>
>Bihar will be exposed to the fury of rivers this year and the setting
>is getting complete because of non-formation of the Government. Water
>Resources Department of the state had identified 280 schemes to be
>taken up on to prevent breaches in the embankments. As a customary,
>all the works on the Kosi embankments are completed before March every
>year. All other maintenance and repair works are completed by the end
>of May. Nothing has been done so far because the decisions are delayed
>and the files are shuttling between various sections of the Department
>of Water Resources, in the absence of a popular Government. A decision
>to allocate funds and finalize works could not be taken in the last
>meeting of the state cabinet and now, there is no cabinet. Unless
>something is done on the emergent basis, the state would be in trouble
>in months to come as breaches in the embankments would put people to
>lot of trouble.
>
>It is an irony of fate that if the embankments do not breach, the
>drainage of the country would be jeopardized and the people would
>suffer acute waterlogging. We would soon listen, in observance of the
>annual ritual, that negotiations are on with Nepal and the
>Barahkshetra Dam would be built at the earliest and all the problem of
>the state would be solved.
>
>Dinesh Mishra
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
>http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/biharchintan/
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>biharchintan-unsubscribe@...
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
><*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>    http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/biharchintan/
>
><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>    biharchintan-unsubscribe@...
>
><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
>    http://in.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>





Fri Apr 1, 2005 3:47 am

vagishkjha
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #131 of 1510 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Dear Mishra Ji & Friends, The concerns of Shri D K Mishra are very genuine. Let me add to it some more. To make an assessment of the Pre flood (or should we...
vagish Jha
vagishkjha
Offline Send Email
Mar 29, 2005
6:02 am

Very good plan of action. Pl. let me know if I can do something to make it a success. I do agree that the area you have selected for the Pad Yatra is the worst...
S R Jha
srjha@...
Send Email
Mar 31, 2005
7:37 am

  Dear All, I have a very sad evaluation of last years' involvement. The entire activity centred around raising funds for carrying out relief operations. Once...
Dinesh Kumar Mishra
dineshkmishra@...
Send Email
Mar 31, 2005
10:45 am

  Dear All, I have a very sad evaluation of last years' involvement. The entire activity centred around raising funds for carrying out relief operations. Once...
Dinesh Kumar Mishra
dineshkmishra@...
Send Email
Mar 31, 2005
10:48 am

Dear Mishra Ji, Let me assure you that I fully agree with you. The proposed Padyatra aims at exploring and igniting the internal possibilities of our societies...
Vagish
vagishkjha
Offline Send Email
Apr 1, 2005
4:17 am

Thanks Sudip Ji for your encouraging mail. We are looking at mid May for the Yatra as we have yet to do some preperations. This will perhaps be summer holidays...
Vagish
vagishkjha
Offline Send Email
Apr 1, 2005
4:17 am

  nice idea not to spend any money during the padyatra and totally depend on the help by villagers.the way i think gandhi did. but will it happen.it will be...
sushil kumar jha
sushiljha76@...
Send Email
Apr 1, 2005
12:26 pm

plz send me editorial for ur bollywood for you. shahbaz ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find...
shahbaz ansari
bollywoodforu@...
Send Email
Apr 17, 2005
2:22 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help