This is one of several similar mails I have received about this. It seemed
too easy, so decided to google it to make sure it was accurate. Found this
on wikipedia:


Since the ballot paper/EVM contains only the list of candidates, a voter
cannot record his vote under Section 49-O directly. He must inform the
presiding officer at the election booth. This violates the secrecy of the
ballot.


The exact implications of Rule 49-O from the perspective of winner
declaration are unclear. It may be, given the present state of The Conduct
of Election Rules, 1961, assumed that a winner will be declared
irrespective of the number of 'non-votes'. However, a note of every
'non-vote' will be made with the Election Officer, and the total number of
non-voters will, presumably, be available under the Right to Information,
Act. Please note that the availability of this information has not been
confirmed as yet.


Some recent articles suggest that in case the number of votes recorded
under Section 49-O is greater than the maximum number of votes polled in
favour of any of the candidates, a repoll is held. This is not explicitly
mentioned in any of the sections of The Conduct of Elections Rules, 1961.

 
Payal Machave
Graphic Designer
 
http://payalsvision.blogspot.com




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From: "designindia@..." <designindia@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 8:01:37 PM
Subject: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfestival.org] Digest Number 2259


Designindia
Messages In This Digest (20 Messages)
1.1.
File - POLLs From: designindia@...
2.1.
File - introduction on design-india From: designindia@...
3.1.
File - mail end protocol From: designindia@...
4.1.
File - IDR 2008 october Questionnaire(1).xls From: designindia@...
5.
On updates and web information -IDF From: V.K.JAGANNATHAN
6.1.
Re: Terror is communication From: deepak pathania
6.2.
Re: Terror is communication From: syed usman
7.1.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: deepak pathania
7.2.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: syed usman
7.3.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: Bala (Ticket Design)
7.4.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: Dyutiman Moulik
7.5.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: syed usman
7.6.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: Prashant Kulkarni
7.7.
Re: channels be blacked out? From: shubhi sachan
8.1.
Guidance for salary in Dubai From: snehal chitlange
8.2.
Re: Guidance for salary in Dubai From: nasir subhani
9.1.
Re: 4th Dec 'Design Response to Terror' workshop at SID From: Subhedar Prashant
10.
Vote for the best From: UMO Info
11.
No Thanks Mr. Politician! From: pravin mishra
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1.1.
File - POLLs
Posted by: "designindia@..." designindia@...
Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:19 pm

Get up be counted, Have you casted your Vote?

Visit POLL section of the this yahoo egroup regularily and put in your opinion,
It is surprising ho many of us think of design profession and what it really
is...

You are welcome to debate those issues, but your vote can tilt the poll...

So be there...sign of leadership is that they are always there.....

lets remove some myths from our profession.. .POLL...and often.

regards
PS: you need a yahoo id for polling. In case you do not want yahoo id...just
mail in your opinion.


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File - introduction on design-india
Posted by: "designindia@..." designindia@...
Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:19 pm

hi,

welcome to design india egroup. I am sudhir sharma and i moderate this group.
I was in NID during 1983-1989 time and then started elephant design with four
other graduates.

It will be very nice if u can post a brief introduction of yr self on the group
as yr first message. Where are u, what are u doing, where did u study and any
issues u may want to disscuss. this will help others and friends to know that u
are there and to know u.

Also chk out pictures, update yr address in database phonebook as well as take
part in Polls. You have a choice of not recieving mails in yr mailbox and chk
them online...if u need any help on this count let me know.

the membership to this group is through invitation only...only u can invite yr
friend, or whomever u think worthy of being on a professional designers group.
DO send me a mail if you want someone to be invited on the group.

thank you once again and keep posting messages.

regards
sudhir sharma


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Posted by: "designindia@..." designindia@...
Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:19 pm

hi,

just reminding a small protocol which if followed would make our identification
precise and contextual.

Please end yr post or mail (everytime) as folows:

Your name + surname (now)
school , your discpline
Year of graduating
now at company
city

for example:

Sudhir Sharma
NID, VC (or visual communication)
1989
Elephant Design
Pune

regards

Sudhir Sharma
NID, VC (or visual communication)
1989
Elephant Design
Pune


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File - IDR 2008 october Questionnaire(1).xls
Posted by: "designindia@..." designindia@...
Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:19 pm


File : IDR 2008 october Questionnaire( 1).xls
Description : India Design report Questionaire


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On updates and web information -IDF
Posted by: "V.K.JAGANNATHAN" jags@...   asianorchids2000
Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:22 am
Hello to all
I was just browsing for the updates on webspace and found the PDF
website still to update info on the events. This to bring notice to
the organisers.
http://www.punedesi gnfoundation. com/ and also a question of the site
http://www.punedesi gnfestival. com/ has no content uploaded.
May be the site is having content not linked as google search also
leads to the website and info on the site is not there.
To organisers on the IDF to create a blog space on the
http://www.indiades ignfestival. org/index. html - to update events in
the arena and suggestions to make this all encompassing.
More pictures of the activity to make visually appealing and have a
vritual domain of exhibits like the use of virtual museum to showcase
indian design are all the ideas...
One more idea that came to me as an after thought is a suggestion to
have more regional participation with multi venues added like a real
india festival spirit to enhance industry interaction with each
regional sector.
One could involve respective design schools located in each region to
play a host role in making this a event that will have more reach and
impact as we have 2 months of time to roll to the new dates.
The respective areas can be contacted to organise a 2 -3 day design
events-road shows- and participate in making design as an experience
that influences all aspects of business.
Thanks
JAGS
MDes,IDC 81-83
DESIGN FOR A CHANGE
JAGS DESIGN


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6.1.
Re: Terror is communication
Posted by: "deepak pathania" designtalk@...
Mon Dec 1, 2008 1:15 pm
hi,

"in this case what is the message?"

apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind about
the communication. ..

since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or political
systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut communication that
comes out is that its not intended for ordinary citizen like us.. it is aimed
for the others in our nation or other nations where creating unrest is possible.
where there is a certain group, sect or political party which may want to
destabalize the govt by means other than competence.
the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how effectively
we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and that too at a fairly
low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the whole world which our
media greedily obliged them and helped propogate their cause as best as was
possible.
these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually professional
organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they make
their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that they have on
their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror organization will
have to better this if they have to beat the competition.

so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us. sadly we
just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the collateral damage,
even if the gun points straight at us.

regards
deepak pathania
nid 1995
director
design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
www.designintervent ion.biz


----- Original Message -----
From: kedar prabhavalkar
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is communication

dear partho,
could not agree more with you.
but what is it they are trying to communicate?
when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
toilet etc.

in this case what is the message?
i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?

could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
take this a bit more seriously?

or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember the
ad but forget what the product was.

kedar prabhavalkar
JJ, arch
1996
studio inspira
mumbai
Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
wounded. Dead."

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co.
in>wrote:

> Terror is communication
> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There is no
> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV channel
> blast at our living room.
> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show and
> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news which
> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has the
> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are after.
> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to outdo
> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense and
> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they also
> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
> emotion.
> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
> locations are just props in the story.
>
> Partho Guha
> NID/ Elephant
>
> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: Terror is communication
Posted by: "syed usman" syedsyedusman@...   thehummingdog
Mon Dec 1, 2008 2:19 pm
Brand Terrorism

The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?

One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.

Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.

In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
their objectives by non-stop coverage.

Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
commandos land on rooftops.

Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
channels being blocked.

Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
Terrorism! Does it?

Syed Usman
StudioHonk,
Gurgaon

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
<designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "in this case what is the message?"
>
> apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind
> about the communication. ..
>
> since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
> political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
> communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary citizen
> like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations where
> creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
> political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other than
> competence.
> the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
> effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and that
> too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
> whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate their
> cause as best as was possible.
> these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually professional
> organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they
> make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that they
> have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
> organization will have to better this if they have to beat the competition.
>
> so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
> sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
> collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
>
> regards
> deepak pathania
> nid 1995
> director
> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> www.designintervent ion.biz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kedar prabhavalkar
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> communication
>
> dear partho,
> could not agree more with you.
> but what is it they are trying to communicate?
> when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
> because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
> toilet etc.
>
> in this case what is the message?
> i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
> what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
>
> could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
> take this a bit more seriously?
>
> or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember the
> ad but forget what the product was.
>
> kedar prabhavalkar
> JJ, arch
> 1996
> studio inspira
> mumbai
> Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
> wounded. Dead."
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
> <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in>wrote:
>
>> Terror is communication
>> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
>> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
>> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
>> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There is
>> no
>> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV channel
>> blast at our living room.
>> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
>> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show
>> and
>> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
>> which
>> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has
>> the
>> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
>> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
>> after.
>> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to outdo
>> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
>> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense and
>> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
>> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
>> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they also
>> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
>> emotion.
>> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
>> locations are just props in the story.
>>
>> Partho Guha
>> NID/ Elephant
>>
>> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
>> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "deepak pathania" designtalk@...
Mon Dec 1, 2008 3:37 pm
"In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
channels be blacked out, blocked? "

here too my thoughts...
while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if it was
the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
my personal answers are the following:
the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the counter
terrorist forces as the terrorists are getting updates for everything. therefore
what should happen is a delayed telecast. we as spectators to the horrendous
activity need not know everything at the exact moment, we just need to know
things for our sanity, but surely not as it happens.

this would never happen though as media itself is not to united, and there is no
politician with balls who can order this.

also, all channels made a hue and cry about politicians not coming together in a
time like this and standing as one. but why cant the channels and reporters also
behave as one and not throng the place in hundreds, causing much chaos. if they
think politicians can miraculously become one, why cant media have 2 or 3
reporters and share the feed to everyone...only for a cause like this...a
national crisis. why cant they forget trps and exclusives and take it for what
it is, a crisis where people are dying..

it was so frustrating to see media jump on survivors for a sound bite as they
came out after a 20-30-40-50hr ordeal. they would irritate them all through the
walk to airindia building and noone had the decency to even offer to hold the
bags of the old and tired and terror stricken souls. on the otherhand they were
like the last hurdles that the hostages needed to cross. they too behaved like
terrorists, in a different way. i felt like shooting a reporter in his leg and
ask him "sir, how are you feeling? does it pain where the bullet has gone
through?"

also the media was behaving like children who need to be told that they should
stand back or theyll get a bullet in their ass. the forces should have not have
bothered to hold them back and let them enter the taj for their soundbytes if
they wanted, so that a few could have been shot in the bargain, this would have
been a favor to the channels as not only that way they would have had martyrs in
their own ranks, but they would have exclusive dying moment feeds that they
would have run on their channels for years thereafter. and with less media to
cope with, the wasted forces to keep media at bay could have been put in some
more useful task.

everything about this terrorist act was frustrating, the politics, politicians,
the aftermath, the media. only thing that felt reassuring was that we have our
nsg's, armed forces, commandoes and police who put in all they have literally
and they are amazing at what they do, and its further amazing that they do it in
the first place. wish we could start an ipo for them and put in money/assets
directly towards our forces which they can tap directly, whether it is to buy
effective bullet proof jackets, hands free walkie talkie sets*, night vision
devices, infra red cams, surveillance robots etc...whatever they need to keep
their lives intact, as another alarming thing i learnt now, we have only about
5000 black-cat commandoes (nsg) in india, most of whom are bodyguards to
politicians and their sons visiting discos. so each nsg commando should be our
prized possession if we want to live to see another decade of india shining.

regards
deepak pathania
nid 1995
director
design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
www.designintervent ion.biz


* i noticed a commando at taj aiming his mp5 gun, left the aim and took the gun
in one hand and with the other he picked up a walkie, spoke, and then put the
walkie back and then resumed his aim and fired . it was fortunate that he wasnt
shot during his conversation.

----- Original Message -----
From: syed usman
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is communication

Brand Terrorism

The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?

One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.

Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.

In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
their objectives by non-stop coverage.

Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
commandos land on rooftops.

Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
channels being blocked.

Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
Terrorism! Does it?

Syed Usman
StudioHonk,
Gurgaon

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
<designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "in this case what is the message?"
>
> apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind
> about the communication. ..
>
> since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
> political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
> communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary citizen
> like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations where
> creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
> political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other than
> competence.
> the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
> effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and that
> too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
> whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate their
> cause as best as was possible.
> these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually professional
> organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they
> make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that they
> have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
> organization will have to better this if they have to beat the competition.
>
> so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
> sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
> collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
>
> regards
> deepak pathania
> nid 1995
> director
> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> www.designintervent ion.biz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kedar prabhavalkar
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> communication
>
> dear partho,
> could not agree more with you.
> but what is it they are trying to communicate?
> when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
> because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
> toilet etc.
>
> in this case what is the message?
> i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
> what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
>
> could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
> take this a bit more seriously?
>
> or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember the
> ad but forget what the product was.
>
> kedar prabhavalkar
> JJ, arch
> 1996
> studio inspira
> mumbai
> Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
> wounded. Dead."
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
> <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in>wrote:
>
>> Terror is communication
>> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
>> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
>> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
>> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There is
>> no
>> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV channel
>> blast at our living room.
>> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
>> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show
>> and
>> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
>> which
>> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has
>> the
>> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
>> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
>> after.
>> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to outdo
>> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
>> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense and
>> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
>> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
>> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they also
>> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
>> emotion.
>> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
>> locations are just props in the story.
>>
>> Partho Guha
>> NID/ Elephant
>>
>> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
>> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
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7.2.
Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "syed usman" syedsyedusman@...   thehummingdog
Mon Dec 1, 2008 4:46 pm
"the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
happening... "
If that's a reason strong enough then, in a moment of crisis, we need only
typed out bulletins at regular intervals coming on our TV screens, that too
without any mention of what security forces are doing.
No gory visuals, no despairing images, no repeated bombardment of looped
footage, no leaks of crucial plans, no reporters jumping on survivors for
'breaking news' bites...
The facts of what's happening can be conveyed very well through static
supers (text). They can come in every language. They can be read out. That's
where it should end.

Syed Usman
StudioHonk,
Gurgaon

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM, deepak pathania <
designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:
> "In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> channels be blacked out, blocked? "
>
> here too my thoughts...
> while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if
it
> was the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
> my personal answers are the following:
> the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
> happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the
counter
> terrorist forces as the terrorists are getting updates for everything.
> therefore what should happen is a delayed telecast. we as spectators to
the
> horrendous activity need not know everything at the exact moment, we just
> need to know things for our sanity, but surely not as it happens.
>
> this would never happen though as media itself is not to united, and there
> is no politician with balls who can order this.
>
> also, all channels made a hue and cry about politicians not coming
together
> in a time like this and standing as one. but why cant the channels and
> reporters also behave as one and not throng the place in hundreds, causing
> much chaos. if they think politicians can miraculously become one, why
cant
> media have 2 or 3 reporters and share the feed to everyone...only for a
> cause like this...a national crisis. why cant they forget trps and
> exclusives and take it for what it is, a crisis where people are dying..
>
> it was so frustrating to see media jump on survivors for a sound bite as
> they came out after a 20-30-40-50hr ordeal. they would irritate them all
> through the walk to airindia building and noone had the decency to even
> offer to hold the bags of the old and tired and terror stricken souls. on
> the otherhand they were like the last hurdles that the hostages needed to
> cross. they too behaved like terrorists, in a different way. i felt like
> shooting a reporter in his leg and ask him "sir, how are you feeling? does
> it pain where the bullet has gone through?"
>
> also the media was behaving like children who need to be told that they
> should stand back or theyll get a bullet in their ass. the forces should
> have not have bothered to hold them back and let them enter the taj for
> their soundbytes if they wanted, so that a few could have been shot in the
> bargain, this would have been a favor to the channels as not only that way
> they would have had martyrs in their own ranks, but they would have
> exclusive dying moment feeds that they would have run on their channels
for
> years thereafter. and with less media to cope with, the wasted forces to
> keep media at bay could have been put in some more useful task.
>
> everything about this terrorist act was frustrating, the politics,
> politicians, the aftermath, the media. only thing that felt reassuring was
> that we have our nsg's, armed forces, commandoes and police who put in all
> they have literally and they are amazing at what they do, and its further
> amazing that they do it in the first place. wish we could start an ipo for
> them and put in money/assets directly towards our forces which they can
tap
> directly, whether it is to buy effective bullet proof jackets, hands free
> walkie talkie sets*, night vision devices, infra red cams, surveillance
> robots etc...whatever they need to keep their lives intact, as another
> alarming thing i learnt now, we have only about 5000 black-cat commandoes
> (nsg) in india, most of whom are bodyguards to politicians and their sons
> visiting discos. so each nsg commando should be our prized possession if
we
> want to live to see another decade of india shining.
>
> regards
> deepak pathania
> nid 1995
> director
> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> www.designintervent ion.biz
>
>
> * i noticed a commando at taj aiming his mp5 gun, left the aim and took
the
> gun in one hand and with the other he picked up a walkie, spoke, and then
> put the walkie back and then resumed his aim and fired . it was fortunate
> that he wasnt shot during his conversation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: syed usman
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> communication
>
> Brand Terrorism
>
> The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
> a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
> launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
> What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
> years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
> Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?
>
> One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
> mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
> remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
> putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
> global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
> but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
> the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
> message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
> advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
> the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
> A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
> of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
> to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
> die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.
>
> Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
> as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
> everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
> to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
> horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
> press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
> Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
> like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
> further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
> news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
> the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
> situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
> and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
> country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
> in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
> to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
> it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
> chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
> business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
> not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
> enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
> ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
> repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.
>
> In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
> we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
> sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
> own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
> country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
> happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
> terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
> There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
> demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
> are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
> terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
> they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
> ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
> the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
> their objectives by non-stop coverage.
>
> Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
> the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
> the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
> terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
> that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
> knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
> follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
> hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
> could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
> some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
> Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
> comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
> commandos land on rooftops.
>
> Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
> find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
> can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
> anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
> jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
> communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
> understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
> channels being blocked.
>
> Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
> Terrorism! Does it?
>
> Syed Usman
> StudioHonk,
> Gurgaon
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
> <designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> "in this case what is the message?"
>>
>> apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind
>> about the communication. ..
>>
>> since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
>> political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
>> communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary
citizen
>> like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations where
>> creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
>> political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other
than
>> competence.
>> the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
>> effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and
>> that
>> too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
>> whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate
>> their
>> cause as best as was possible.
>> these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually
professional
>> organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they
>> make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that
>> they
>> have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
>> organization will have to better this if they have to beat the
>> competition.
>>
>> so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
>> sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
>> collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
>>
>> regards
>> deepak pathania
>> nid 1995
>> director
>> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
>> www.designintervent ion.biz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: kedar prabhavalkar
>> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
>> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
>> communication
>>
>> dear partho,
>> could not agree more with you.
>> but what is it they are trying to communicate?
>> when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
>> because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
>> toilet etc.
>>
>> in this case what is the message?
>> i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
>> what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
>>
>> could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
>> take this a bit more seriously?
>>
>> or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember
>> the
>> ad but forget what the product was.
>>
>> kedar prabhavalkar
>> JJ, arch
>> 1996
>> studio inspira
>> mumbai
>> Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
>> wounded. Dead."
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
>> <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in>wrote:
>>
>>> Terror is communication
>>> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
>>> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
>>> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
>>> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There
is
>>> no
>>> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV
channel
>>> blast at our living room.
>>> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
>>> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show
>>> and
>>> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
>>> which
>>> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has
>>> the
>>> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
>>> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
>>> after.
>>> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to
outdo
>>> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
>>> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense
and
>>> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
>>> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
>>> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they
>>> also
>>> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
>>> emotion.
>>> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
>>> locations are just props in the story.
>>>
>>> Partho Guha
>>> NID/ Elephant
>>>
>>> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
>>> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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7.3.
Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "Bala (Ticket Design)" balamahajan@...   bmahajan2002
Mon Dec 1, 2008 4:52 pm
Dear Deepak,
The media did their bit in these times.
Even the NSG DG acknowledged their role.
See the article below

However there need to be clear guidelines set for responding in such
situations
I think there already a apex body in place to regulate (self regulate)
content on TV channels
However it is It is more "complaint" based

regards,BalaNID 91-97 Punewww.ticketdesig n.com
NSG chief thanks media for cooperation

Indo Asian News Service

Last Updated: November 30, 2008 04:29:03

New Delhi, Nov 30 (IANS) National Security Guard (NSG) Director General J.K.
Dutt Sunday thanked the media for their support during the nearly 60- hour
operation to oust terrorists from various sites across Mumbai.

'I thank the media for their cooperation because we found (that) if we were
working through the morning and night, even the media stayed at their posts
and covered the operation,' he told reporters at the NSG headquarters at
Manesar, near Gurgaon in Haryana.

At least 183 people, including 22 foreigners, were killed in the terrorist
attack in Mumbai that began Wednesday night and ended Saturday.

Dutt said the media's coverage gave the security forces a vantage point at
times. But he added that there were occasions when they had to request the
media to curb coverage of some scenes as they were not sure if the gunmen
were using the visuals to their advantage.

'There were times when the media visuals were useful. But at other times, we
had to request the media to not show visuals of the scene. They of course
obliged. We thank them for that,' he added.
(c) Copyright 2008 Indo Asian News Service.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM, deepak pathania <
designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:

> "In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> channels be blacked out, blocked? "
>
> here too my thoughts...
> while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if it
> was the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
> my personal answers are the following:
> the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
> happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the counter
> terrorist forces as the terrorists are getting updates for everything.
> therefore what should happen is a delayed telecast. we as spectators to the
> horrendous activity need not know everything at the exact moment, we just
> need to know things for our sanity, but surely not as it happens.
>
> this would never happen though as media itself is not to united, and there
> is no politician with balls who can order this.
>
> also, all channels made a hue and cry about politicians not coming together
> in a time like this and standing as one. but why cant the channels and
> reporters also behave as one and not throng the place in hundreds, causing
> much chaos. if they think politicians can miraculously become one, why cant
> media have 2 or 3 reporters and share the feed to everyone...only for a
> cause like this...a national crisis. why cant they forget trps and
> exclusives and take it for what it is, a crisis where people are dying..
>
> it was so frustrating to see media jump on survivors for a sound bite as
> they came out after a 20-30-40-50hr ordeal. they would irritate them all
> through the walk to airindia building and noone had the decency to even
> offer to hold the bags of the old and tired and terror stricken souls. on
> the otherhand they were like the last hurdles that the hostages needed to
> cross. they too behaved like terrorists, in a different way. i felt like
> shooting a reporter in his leg and ask him "sir, how are you feeling? does
> it pain where the bullet has gone through?"
>
> also the media was behaving like children who need to be told that they
> should stand back or theyll get a bullet in their ass. the forces should
> have not have bothered to hold them back and let them enter the taj for
> their soundbytes if they wanted, so that a few could have been shot in the
> bargain, this would have been a favor to the channels as not only that way
> they would have had martyrs in their own ranks, but they would have
> exclusive dying moment feeds that they would have run on their channels for
> years thereafter. and with less media to cope with, the wasted forces to
> keep media at bay could have been put in some more useful task.
>
> everything about this terrorist act was frustrating, the politics,
> politicians, the aftermath, the media. only thing that felt reassuring was
> that we have our nsg's, armed forces, commandoes and police who put in all
> they have literally and they are amazing at what they do, and its further
> amazing that they do it in the first place. wish we could start an ipo for
> them and put in money/assets directly towards our forces which they can tap
> directly, whether it is to buy effective bullet proof jackets, hands free
> walkie talkie sets*, night vision devices, infra red cams, surveillance
> robots etc...whatever they need to keep their lives intact, as another
> alarming thing i learnt now, we have only about 5000 black-cat commandoes
> (nsg) in india, most of whom are bodyguards to politicians and their sons
> visiting discos. so each nsg commando should be our prized possession if we
> want to live to see another decade of india shining.
>
> regards
> deepak pathania
> nid 1995
> director
> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> www.designintervent ion.biz
>
>
> * i noticed a commando at taj aiming his mp5 gun, left the aim and took the
> gun in one hand and with the other he picked up a walkie, spoke, and then
> put the walkie back and then resumed his aim and fired . it was fortunate
> that he wasnt shot during his conversation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: syed usman
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups. co.in>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> communication
>
> Brand Terrorism
>
> The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
> a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
> launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
> What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
> years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
> Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?
>
> One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
> mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
> remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
> putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
> global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
> but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
> the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
> message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
> advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
> the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
> A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
> of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
> to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
> die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.
>
> Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
> as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
> everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
> to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
> horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
> press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
> Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
> like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
> further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
> news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
> the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
> situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
> and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
> country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
> in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
> to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
> it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
> chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
> business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
> not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
> enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
> ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
> repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.
>
> In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
> we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
> sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
> own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
> country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
> happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
> terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
> There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
> demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
> are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
> terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
> they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
> ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
> the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
> their objectives by non-stop coverage.
>
> Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
> the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
> the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
> terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
> that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
> knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
> follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
> hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
> could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
> some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
> Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
> comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
> commandos land on rooftops.
>
> Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
> find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
> can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
> anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
> jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
> communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
> understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
> channels being blocked.
>
> Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
> Terrorism! Does it?
>
> Syed Usman
> StudioHonk,
> Gurgaon
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
> <designtalk@designin tervention. biz <designtalk% 40designinterven tion.biz> >
> wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > "in this case what is the message?"
> >
> > apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind
> > about the communication. ..
> >
> > since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
> > political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
> > communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary
> citizen
> > like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations where
> > creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
> > political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other
> than
> > competence.
> > the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
> > effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and
> that
> > too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
> > whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate
> their
> > cause as best as was possible.
> > these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually
> professional
> > organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they
> > make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that
> they
> > have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
> > organization will have to better this if they have to beat the
> competition.
> >
> > so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
> > sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
> > collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
> >
> > regards
> > deepak pathania
> > nid 1995
> > director
> > design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> > www.designintervent ion.biz
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kedar prabhavalkar
> > To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups. co.in>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> > communication
> >
> > dear partho,
> > could not agree more with you.
> > but what is it they are trying to communicate?
> > when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
> > because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
> > toilet etc.
> >
> > in this case what is the message?
> > i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
> > what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
> >
> > could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
> > take this a bit more seriously?
> >
> > or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember
> the
> > ad but forget what the product was.
> >
> > kedar prabhavalkar
> > JJ, arch
> > 1996
> > studio inspira
> > mumbai
> > Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
> > wounded. Dead."
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
> > <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in <parthoelephant% 40yahoo.co. in>>wrote:
> >
> >> Terror is communication
> >> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
> >> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
> >> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
> >> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There
> is
> >> no
> >> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV
> channel
> >> blast at our living room.
> >> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
> >> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show
> >> and
> >> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
> >> which
> >> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has
> >> the
> >> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
> >> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
> >> after.
> >> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to
> outdo
> >> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
> >> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense
> and
> >> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
> >> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
> >> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they
> also
> >> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
> >> emotion.
> >> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
> >> locations are just props in the story.
> >>
> >> Partho Guha
> >> NID/ Elephant
> >>
> >> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
> >> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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7.4.
Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "Dyutiman Moulik" dyutimanmoulik@...   dyutimanmoulik
Mon Dec 1, 2008 4:53 pm
Hi,

The National Security Guards who spearheaded 'Operation Black Tornado' for 60
hours since November 27, made a press conference which was aired live on NDTV
yesterday. I'm not sure how many got a chance to see that, but it was a detailed
description of the entire operation told step by step by the NSG supremo. It was
harrowing to hear but at the same time I was very impressed by the clarity and
detail with which it was described. The NSG declared that they had also taken
complete responsibility of filtering and delaying media content that we saw on
television. The reason is obvious and comprehendible. They also said that media
personnel has very been co-operative under their vigilance and their role is
highly commendable. Yes, along with the brave commandos, firefighters, survivors
and martyrs, it felt proud to hear about media's brave role too. At least they
were not like the spineless politicians who cocooned themselves till it was safe
to come out and
offer compensations or take a terrorism 'tourism' with their film-maker
friends.

I partly agree that some reporters were insensitive to ask needless questions to
injured victims, eyewitnesses and survivors; but they have been there to do
their job risking their lives 24/7 and today they are no less shocked or sad
than we audiences are. I'm sure they are also introspecting their role and job
in this aftermath.

A much bigger concern is whether our toothless politicians and bureaucrats will
do their job after this? And if as common man, we would be more vigilant,
disciplined and cooperative while waiting in a queue to be checked before we
enter an airport, metro or theatre. And if we will stop piling garbage
carelessly anywhere and everywhere (which is proven to be a safe hideout for a
bomb).

I feel this is a time not for bashing or blaming each other (whether Pakistan or
politician), but a time to seriously introspect our own habits, perceptions and
actions in daily public life and what we Indians foresee as a good and safe
'quality of life'. Do we really understand 'quality of public life' at all?
Design may not yet play a major role in new anti-terror policy-making in our
country, but we can do a lot in designing subsequent systems that can force
people to change from a 'chalta-hai' attitude.

Regards,
Dyutiman Moulik
PD, NID 98-03
Bangalore

From: deepak pathania
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:37 PM
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] channels be blacked
out?

"In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
channels be blacked out, blocked? "

here too my thoughts...
while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if it was
the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
my personal answers are the following:
the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the counter
terrorist forces as the terrorists are getting updates for everything. therefore
what should happen is a delayed telecast. we as spectators to the horrendous
activity need not know everything at the exact moment, we just need to know
things for our sanity, but surely not as it happens.

this would never happen though as media itself is not to united, and there is no
politician with balls who can order this.

also, all channels made a hue and cry about politicians not coming together in a
time like this and standing as one. but why cant the channels and reporters also
behave as one and not throng the place in hundreds, causing much chaos. if they
think politicians can miraculously become one, why cant media have 2 or 3
reporters and share the feed to everyone...only for a cause like this...a
national crisis. why cant they forget trps and exclusives and take it for what
it is, a crisis where people are dying..

it was so frustrating to see media jump on survivors for a sound bite as they
came out after a 20-30-40-50hr ordeal. they would irritate them all through the
walk to airindia building and noone had the decency to even offer to hold the
bags of the old and tired and terror stricken souls. on the otherhand they were
like the last hurdles that the hostages needed to cross. they too behaved like
terrorists, in a different way. i felt like shooting a reporter in his leg and
ask him "sir, how are you feeling? does it pain where the bullet has gone
through?"

also the media was behaving like children who need to be told that they should
stand back or theyll get a bullet in their ass. the forces should have not have
bothered to hold them back and let them enter the taj for their soundbytes if
they wanted, so that a few could have been shot in the bargain, this would have
been a favor to the channels as not only that way they would have had martyrs in
their own ranks, but they would have exclusive dying moment feeds that they
would have run on their channels for years thereafter. and with less media to
cope with, the wasted forces to keep media at bay could have been put in some
more useful task.

everything about this terrorist act was frustrating, the politics, politicians,
the aftermath, the media. only thing that felt reassuring was that we have our
nsg's, armed forces, commandoes and police who put in all they have literally
and they are amazing at what they do, and its further amazing that they do it in
the first place. wish we could start an ipo for them and put in money/assets
directly towards our forces which they can tap directly, whether it is to buy
effective bullet proof jackets, hands free walkie talkie sets*, night vision
devices, infra red cams, surveillance robots etc...whatever they need to keep
their lives intact, as another alarming thing i learnt now, we have only about
5000 black-cat commandoes (nsg) in india, most of whom are bodyguards to
politicians and their sons visiting discos. so each nsg commando should be our
prized possession if we want to live to see another decade of india shining.

regards
deepak pathania
nid 1995
director
design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
www.designintervent ion.biz

* i noticed a commando at taj aiming his mp5 gun, left the aim and took the gun
in one hand and with the other he picked up a walkie, spoke, and then put the
walkie back and then resumed his aim and fired . it was fortunate that he wasnt
shot during his conversation.

----- Original Message -----
From: syed usman
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is communication

Brand Terrorism

The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?

One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.

Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.

In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
their objectives by non-stop coverage.

Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
commandos land on rooftops.

Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
channels being blocked.

Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
Terrorism! Does it?

Syed Usman
StudioHonk,
Gurgaon

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
<designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "in this case what is the message?"
>
> apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind
> about the communication. ..
>
> since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
> political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
> communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary citizen
> like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations where
> creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
> political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other than
> competence.
> the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
> effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and that
> too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
> whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate their
> cause as best as was possible.
> these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually professional
> organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they
> make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that they
> have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
> organization will have to better this if they have to beat the competition.
>
> so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
> sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
> collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
>
> regards
> deepak pathania
> nid 1995
> director
> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> www.designintervent ion.biz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kedar prabhavalkar
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> communication
>
> dear partho,
> could not agree more with you.
> but what is it they are trying to communicate?
> when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
> because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
> toilet etc.
>
> in this case what is the message?
> i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
> what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
>
> could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
> take this a bit more seriously?
>
> or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember the
> ad but forget what the product was.
>
> kedar prabhavalkar
> JJ, arch
> 1996
> studio inspira
> mumbai
> Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
> wounded. Dead."
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
> <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in>wrote:
>
>> Terror is communication
>> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
>> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
>> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
>> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There is
>> no
>> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV channel
>> blast at our living room.
>> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
>> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show
>> and
>> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
>> which
>> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has
>> the
>> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
>> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
>> after.
>> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to outdo
>> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
>> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense and
>> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
>> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
>> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they also
>> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
>> emotion.
>> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
>> locations are just props in the story.
>>
>> Partho Guha
>> NID/ Elephant
>>
>> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
>> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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>
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7.5.
Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "syed usman" syedsyedusman@...   thehummingdog
Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:28 pm
Hi,

Read some of this also.

'A reporter asks a husband about his wife being stuck, or held as a
hostage. In the emotional crisis of the moment, the husband reveals it
and it's on national TV news!!! For the benefit of terrorists to make
their next strike.'

'A General sort of suggests that there were no hostages in Oberoi
Trident (isn't army supposed to be mum about everything) Then, our
reporter calls the head of Oberoi, and the he confirms a possibility
of 100 or more people still in the building. The news channel was like
official intelligence from Ground zero for the terrorists.'

Each one of us can recount many such moments when we wondered how
could they air this?? How many commandos are landing on the rooftop.
Which part of Taj is on fire. Which floor has been sealed. Endless
goof ups, leaks and insensitive investigation in the garb of
reporting.

Journalism once upon a time was about ethics, about saving the victims
first and foremost, than being the first to 'REVEAL' some highly
sensitive pieces of information. Can anyone tell me what's the big
deal of reporting something first, which is precisely couple of
minutes before every channel starts showing it? Or coming out with
"Breaking News" which no other channel has laid their hands on? It's
pure selfish motive of better TRPs, more viewership, thus more
revenues in advertising sales (may be not now, but later for sure.)
This media coverage is not news reporting. This is called News
Hounding for own gains.

Regards,
Syed Usman
StudioHonk
Gurgaon

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Dyutiman Moulik
<dyutimanmoulik@ hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The National Security Guards who spearheaded 'Operation Black Tornado' for 60
hours since November 27, made a press conference which was aired live on NDTV
yesterday. I'm not sure how many got a chance to see that, but it was a detailed
description of the entire operation told step by step by the NSG supremo. It was
harrowing to hear but at the same time I was very impressed by the clarity and
detail with which it was described. The NSG declared that they had also taken
complete responsibility of filtering and delaying media content that we saw on
television. The reason is obvious and comprehendible. They also said that media
personnel has very been co-operative under their vigilance and their role is
highly commendable. Yes, along with the brave commandos, firefighters, survivors
and martyrs, it felt proud to hear about media's brave role too. At least they
were not like the spineless politicians who cocooned themselves till it was safe
to come out
and offer compensations or take a terrorism 'tourism' with their film-maker
friends.
>
> I partly agree that some reporters were insensitive to ask needless questions
to injured victims, eyewitnesses and survivors; but they have been there to do
their job risking their lives 24/7 and today they are no less shocked or sad
than we audiences are. I'm sure they are also introspecting their role and job
in this aftermath.
>
> A much bigger concern is whether our toothless politicians and bureaucrats
will do their job after this? And if as common man, we would be more vigilant,
disciplined and cooperative while waiting in a queue to be checked before we
enter an airport, metro or theatre. And if we will stop piling garbage
carelessly anywhere and everywhere (which is proven to be a safe hideout for a
bomb).
>
> I feel this is a time not for bashing or blaming each other (whether Pakistan
or politician), but a time to seriously introspect our own habits, perceptions
and actions in daily public life and what we Indians foresee as a good and safe
'quality of life'. Do we really understand 'quality of public life' at all?
Design may not yet play a major role in new anti-terror policy-making in our
country, but we can do a lot in designing subsequent systems that can force
people to change from a 'chalta-hai' attitude.
>
> Regards,
> Dyutiman Moulik
> PD, NID 98-03
> Bangalore
>
> From: deepak pathania
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:37 PM
>
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] channels be blacked
out?
>
> "In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> channels be blacked out, blocked? "
>
> here too my thoughts...
> while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if it
was the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
> my personal answers are the following:
> the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the counter
terrorist forces as the terrorists are getting updates for everything. therefore
what should happen is a delayed telecast. we as spectators to the horrendous
activity need not know everything at the exact moment, we just need to know
things for our sanity, but surely not as it happens.
>
> this would never happen though as media itself is not to united, and there is
no politician with balls who can order this.
>
> also, all channels made a hue and cry about politicians not coming together in
a time like this and standing as one. but why cant the channels and reporters
also behave as one and not throng the place in hundreds, causing much chaos. if
they think politicians can miraculously become one, why cant media have 2 or 3
reporters and share the feed to everyone...only for a cause like this...a
national crisis. why cant they forget trps and exclusives and take it for what
it is, a crisis where people are dying..
>
> it was so frustrating to see media jump on survivors for a sound bite as they
came out after a 20-30-40-50hr ordeal. they would irritate them all through the
walk to airindia building and noone had the decency to even offer to hold the
bags of the old and tired and terror stricken souls. on the otherhand they were
like the last hurdles that the hostages needed to cross. they too behaved like
terrorists, in a different way. i felt like shooting a reporter in his leg and
ask him "sir, how are you feeling? does it pain where the bullet has gone
through?"
>
> also the media was behaving like children who need to be told that they should
stand back or theyll get a bullet in their ass. the forces should have not have
bothered to hold them back and let them enter the taj for their soundbytes if
they wanted, so that a few could have been shot in the bargain, this would have
been a favor to the channels as not only that way they would have had martyrs in
their own ranks, but they would have exclusive dying moment feeds that they
would have run on their channels for years thereafter. and with less media to
cope with, the wasted forces to keep media at bay could have been put in some
more useful task.
>
> everything about this terrorist act was frustrating, the politics,
politicians, the aftermath, the media. only thing that felt reassuring was that
we have our nsg's, armed forces, commandoes and police who put in all they have
literally and they are amazing at what they do, and its further amazing that
they do it in the first place. wish we could start an ipo for them and put in
money/assets directly towards our forces which they can tap directly, whether it
is to buy effective bullet proof jackets, hands free walkie talkie sets*, night
vision devices, infra red cams, surveillance robots etc...whatever they need to
keep their lives intact, as another alarming thing i learnt now, we have only
about 5000 black-cat commandoes (nsg) in india, most of whom are bodyguards to
politicians and their sons visiting discos. so each nsg commando should be our
prized possession if we want to live to see another decade of india shining.
>
> regards
> deepak pathania
> nid 1995
> director
> design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> www.designintervent ion.biz
>
> * i noticed a commando at taj aiming his mp5 gun, left the aim and took the
gun in one hand and with the other he picked up a walkie, spoke, and then put
the walkie back and then resumed his aim and fired . it was fortunate that he
wasnt shot during his conversation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: syed usman
> To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
communication
>
> Brand Terrorism
>
> The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
> a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
> launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
> What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
> years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
> Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?
>
> One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
> mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
> remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
> putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
> global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
> but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
> the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
> message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
> advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
> the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
> A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
> of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
> to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
> die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.
>
> Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
> as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
> everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
> to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
> horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
> press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
> Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
> like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
> further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
> news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
> the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
> situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
> and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
> country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
> in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
> to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
> it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
> chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
> business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
> not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
> enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
> ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
> repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.
>
> In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
> we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
> sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
> own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
> country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
> happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
> terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
> There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
> demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
> are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
> terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
> they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
> ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
> the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
> their objectives by non-stop coverage.
>
> Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
> the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
> the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
> terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
> that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
> knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
> follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
> hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
> could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
> some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
> Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
> comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
> commandos land on rooftops.
>
> Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
> find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
> can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
> anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
> jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
> communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
> understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
> channels being blocked.
>
> Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
> Terrorism! Does it?
>
> Syed Usman
> StudioHonk,
> Gurgaon
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
> <designtalk@designin tervention. biz> wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > "in this case what is the message?"
> >
> > apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my mind
> > about the communication. ..
> >
> > since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
> > political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
> > communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary citizen
> > like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations where
> > creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
> > political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other than
> > competence.
> > the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
> > effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and that
> > too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
> > whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate their
> > cause as best as was possible.
> > these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually professional
> > organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how they
> > make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that they
> > have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
> > organization will have to better this if they have to beat the competition.
> >
> > so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
> > sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
> > collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
> >
> > regards
> > deepak pathania
> > nid 1995
> > director
> > design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> > www.designintervent ion.biz
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kedar prabhavalkar
> > To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> > communication
> >
> > dear partho,
> > could not agree more with you.
> > but what is it they are trying to communicate?
> > when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
> > because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to the
> > toilet etc.
> >
> > in this case what is the message?
> > i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
> > what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
> >
> > could it be that something is basically wrong and please could everybody
> > take this a bit more seriously?
> >
> > or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember the
> > ad but forget what the product was.
> >
> > kedar prabhavalkar
> > JJ, arch
> > 1996
> > studio inspira
> > mumbai
> > Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick. Not
> > wounded. Dead."
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
> > <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in>wrote:
> >
> >> Terror is communication
> >> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It is
> >> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which creates
> >> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off but
> >> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There is
> >> no
> >> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV channel
> >> blast at our living room.
> >> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
> >> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality show
> >> and
> >> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
> >> which
> >> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it has
> >> the
> >> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a deep
> >> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
> >> after.
> >> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to outdo
> >> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is a
> >> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense and
> >> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
> >> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need of
> >> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they also
> >> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
> >> emotion.
> >> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
> >> locations are just props in the story.
> >>
> >> Partho Guha
> >> NID/ Elephant
> >>
> >> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
> >> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "Prashant Kulkarni" reachpk@...   pk151276
Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:54 pm
Why are we discussing this on Design India..I don't understand. There is a
medium called blog! Please blog it.

2008/12/1 syed usman <syedsyedusman@ gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> Read some of this also.
>
> 'A reporter asks a husband about his wife being stuck, or held as a
> hostage. In the emotional crisis of the moment, the husband reveals it
> and it's on national TV news!!! For the benefit of terrorists to make
> their next strike.'
>
> 'A General sort of suggests that there were no hostages in Oberoi
> Trident (isn't army supposed to be mum about everything) Then, our
> reporter calls the head of Oberoi, and the he confirms a possibility
> of 100 or more people still in the building. The news channel was like
> official intelligence from Ground zero for the terrorists.'
>
> Each one of us can recount many such moments when we wondered how
> could they air this?? How many commandos are landing on the rooftop.
> Which part of Taj is on fire. Which floor has been sealed. Endless
> goof ups, leaks and insensitive investigation in the garb of
> reporting.
>
> Journalism once upon a time was about ethics, about saving the victims
> first and foremost, than being the first to 'REVEAL' some highly
> sensitive pieces of information. Can anyone tell me what's the big
> deal of reporting something first, which is precisely couple of
> minutes before every channel starts showing it? Or coming out with
> "Breaking News" which no other channel has laid their hands on? It's
> pure selfish motive of better TRPs, more viewership, thus more
> revenues in advertising sales (may be not now, but later for sure.)
> This media coverage is not news reporting. This is called News
> Hounding for own gains.
>
> Regards,
> Syed Usman
> StudioHonk
> Gurgaon
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Dyutiman Moulik
> <dyutimanmoulik@ hotmail.com <dyutimanmoulik% 40hotmail. com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The National Security Guards who spearheaded 'Operation Black Tornado'
> for 60 hours since November 27, made a press conference which was aired live
> on NDTV yesterday. I'm not sure how many got a chance to see that, but it
> was a detailed description of the entire operation told step by step by the
> NSG supremo. It was harrowing to hear but at the same time I was very
> impressed by the clarity and detail with which it was described. The NSG
> declared that they had also taken complete responsibility of filtering and
> delaying media content that we saw on television. The reason is obvious and
> comprehendible. They also said that media personnel has very been
> co-operative under their vigilance and their role is highly commendable.
> Yes, along with the brave commandos, firefighters, survivors and martyrs, it
> felt proud to hear about media's brave role too. At least they were not like
> the spineless politicians who cocooned themselves till it was safe to come
> out and offer compensations or take a terrorism 'tourism' with their
> film-maker friends.
> >
> > I partly agree that some reporters were insensitive to ask needless
> questions to injured victims, eyewitnesses and survivors; but they have been
> there to do their job risking their lives 24/7 and today they are no less
> shocked or sad than we audiences are. I'm sure they are also introspecting
> their role and job in this aftermath.
> >
> > A much bigger concern is whether our toothless politicians and
> bureaucrats will do their job after this? And if as common man, we would be
> more vigilant, disciplined and cooperative while waiting in a queue to be
> checked before we enter an airport, metro or theatre. And if we will stop
> piling garbage carelessly anywhere and everywhere (which is proven to be a
> safe hideout for a bomb).
> >
> > I feel this is a time not for bashing or blaming each other (whether
> Pakistan or politician), but a time to seriously introspect our own habits,
> perceptions and actions in daily public life and what we Indians foresee as
> a good and safe 'quality of life'. Do we really understand 'quality of
> public life' at all? Design may not yet play a major role in new anti-terror
> policy-making in our country, but we can do a lot in designing subsequent
> systems that can force people to change from a 'chalta-hai' attitude.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dyutiman Moulik
> > PD, NID 98-03
> > Bangalore
> >
> > From: deepak pathania
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:37 PM
> >
> > To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups. co.in>
> > Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] channels be
> blacked out?
> >
> > "In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> > channels be blacked out, blocked? "
> >
> > here too my thoughts...
> > while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if
> it was the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
> > my personal answers are the following:
> > the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
> happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the counter
> terrorist forces as the terrorists are getting updates for everything.
> therefore what should happen is a delayed telecast. we as spectators to the
> horrendous activity need not know everything at the exact moment, we just
> need to know things for our sanity, but surely not as it happens.
> >
> > this would never happen though as media itself is not to united, and
> there is no politician with balls who can order this.
> >
> > also, all channels made a hue and cry about politicians not coming
> together in a time like this and standing as one. but why cant the channels
> and reporters also behave as one and not throng the place in hundreds,
> causing much chaos. if they think politicians can miraculously become one,
> why cant media have 2 or 3 reporters and share the feed to everyone...only
> for a cause like this...a national crisis. why cant they forget trps and
> exclusives and take it for what it is, a crisis where people are dying..
> >
> > it was so frustrating to see media jump on survivors for a sound bite as
> they came out after a 20-30-40-50hr ordeal. they would irritate them all
> through the walk to airindia building and noone had the decency to even
> offer to hold the bags of the old and tired and terror stricken souls. on
> the otherhand they were like the last hurdles that the hostages needed to
> cross. they too behaved like terrorists, in a different way. i felt like
> shooting a reporter in his leg and ask him "sir, how are you feeling? does
> it pain where the bullet has gone through?"
> >
> > also the media was behaving like children who need to be told that they
> should stand back or theyll get a bullet in their ass. the forces should
> have not have bothered to hold them back and let them enter the taj for
> their soundbytes if they wanted, so that a few could have been shot in the
> bargain, this would have been a favor to the channels as not only that way
> they would have had martyrs in their own ranks, but they would have
> exclusive dying moment feeds that they would have run on their channels for
> years thereafter. and with less media to cope with, the wasted forces to
> keep media at bay could have been put in some more useful task.
> >
> > everything about this terrorist act was frustrating, the politics,
> politicians, the aftermath, the media. only thing that felt reassuring was
> that we have our nsg's, armed forces, commandoes and police who put in all
> they have literally and they are amazing at what they do, and its further
> amazing that they do it in the first place. wish we could start an ipo for
> them and put in money/assets directly towards our forces which they can tap
> directly, whether it is to buy effective bullet proof jackets, hands free
> walkie talkie sets*, night vision devices, infra red cams, surveillance
> robots etc...whatever they need to keep their lives intact, as another
> alarming thing i learnt now, we have only about 5000 black-cat commandoes
> (nsg) in india, most of whom are bodyguards to politicians and their sons
> visiting discos. so each nsg commando should be our prized possession if we
> want to live to see another decade of india shining.
> >
> > regards
> > deepak pathania
> > nid 1995
> > director
> > design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> > www.designintervent ion.biz
> >
> > * i noticed a commando at taj aiming his mp5 gun, left the aim and took
> the gun in one hand and with the other he picked up a walkie, spoke, and
> then put the walkie back and then resumed his aim and fired . it was
> fortunate that he wasnt shot during his conversation.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: syed usman
> > To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups. co.in>
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> communication
> >
> > Brand Terrorism
> >
> > The subject of marketing in business schools teaches us how to launch
> > a brand and build it over the years. Terrorism is a brand that was
> > launched many years ago. By whom and why is not really relevant today.
> > What is relevant is that it has become a strong, global brand. For
> > years its identity (much like any brand logo) was the burning Twin
> > Towers. Today, it's the burning Taj Hotel! So how did it all happen?
> >
> > One of the most effective ways to build a brand is to expose it on a
> > mass media, like television. With a message that goes down deep and is
> > remembered. This is exactly what the terrorists are doing. Imagine
> > putting a brand on the top 10-12 news channels, many of them with
> > global reach. Not for a few seconds on prime time (as other brands do)
> > but for days. That too non-stop. Straight to its core target audience,
> > the common people across psychographics and demographics. And the
> > message is delivered, right where it matters. Now imagine this
> > advertising campaign being aired free of cost. Yes, the training and
> > the arms would have costed something, but that's a negligible amount.
> > A 30 second advertising film these can cost up to 2 crores. The cost
> > of 10-12 lives of terrorists is again a miniscule investment compared
> > to the overwhelming results. The precious lives of the innocents who
> > die is unfortunately and sadly not counted.
> >
> > Brand terrorism. Being spread around the world and becoming stronger
> > as we read this thanks to our media vehicles. Its a win-win for
> > everyone. The news channels get their high ratings, the terrorists get
> > to build their brand. Who suffers? The people being exposed to these
> > horrific events on their TV screens. One may argue that freedom of
> > press cannot be taken away. How can the news channels not show 'news'?
> > Or why not just switch the damn TV off? Consume at your own risk, much
> > like a warning on a cigarette pack. Or watching news can create
> > further despair, do at own risk. Well none of this is going to happen,
> > news will continue to be aired. Even if it puts in danger the lives of
> > the security forces who are trying to do their best to save the
> > situation. Even if it's not reliable enough, leading to more rumors
> > and creating greater panic across the length and breadth of the
> > country. It will continue to be repeated till people want to throw up
> > in frustration and helplessness. It will be aired even if it continues
> > to effect young minds and change their psyches forever. After all,
> > it's the freedom of press. The terrorists are real smart to have
> > chosen it. Not to forget, news channel is also a business, run by
> > business houses, except perhaps Doordarshan. Bottom line is profits,
> > not social responsibility. One hour of TV news in day is more than
> > enough to cover everything of consequence, wasn't it so some years
> > ago? But then how will channels earn if they don't repeat and go on
> > repeating 24 hours everyday without a break.
> >
> > In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
> > channels be blacked out, blocked? I remember during the Indo-Pak wars
> > we were told to switch off lights in our homes when we heard the
> > sirens. There was no television then. We followed dutifully for our
> > own safety, for the safety of our neighbours, for the safety of our
> > country, we spent hours in darkness. Wars like those are not going to
> > happen in the modern world. War has taken a new form, what we call
> > terrorism. It will be sporadic, cold and sudden, in short bursts.
> > There will be no warning sirens any more, but this new face of war
> > demands a different black out. The black out of channels terrorists
> > are using to spread their heinous message. Just to remind, the
> > terrorists behind the recent attack on Mumbai had no real demands,
> > they only wanted the world to witness it and get scared. The
> > ramifications of which are many as time will show. They wanted to scar
> > the memory for years to come, overnight. We made sure they achieve
> > their objectives by non-stop coverage.
> >
> > Should news channels not be stopped from dousing fuel over the fire in
> > the name of reporting? Should they not come forward in solidarity for
> > the sake of the commandos and the security forces. And not help the
> > terrorists in knowing every move the government is making, every plan
> > that is being executed by not showing it on the TV screens - live? Who
> > knows, many more lives could have been saved if the terrorists didn't
> > follow minute by minute details of Operation Cyclone on TVs in their
> > hotel rooms. Even if the TVs in the hotels were not working, they
> > could have been guided by their counterparts over phone sitting in
> > some other country who had access to the same news on their TVs.
> > Newspaper reporting during such times is a shade less harmful, as it
> > comes at least a day later, not live as people get hit by bullets and
> > commandos land on rooftops.
> >
> > Today, the time has come for news channels to look deep inside and
> > find some conscience if it still lingers somewhere. For those who
> > can't, the government should step in and curb the rights to air
> > anything live during such horrific times. Haven't mobile networks been
> > jammed for security reasons. Isn't that infringing on our rights to
> > communicate? But it is done for a reason and the common person has
> > understood and accepted it, the same reason holds true for news
> > channels being blocked.
> >
> > Freedom of press doesn't give them the right to help build Brand
> > Terrorism! Does it?
> >
> > Syed Usman
> > StudioHonk,
> > Gurgaon
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, deepak pathania
> > <designtalk@designin tervention. biz <designtalk% 40designinterven tion.biz>
>
> wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > "in this case what is the message?"
> > >
> > > apart from many other thoughts that come, one new thought crossed my
> mind
> > > about the communication. ..
> > >
> > > since these terrorists dont actually give a damn about religions or
> > > political systems, with indian or even the pak's, so the only clear cut
> > > communication that comes out is that its not intended for ordinary
> citizen
> > > like us.. it is aimed for the others in our nation or other nations
> where
> > > creating unrest is possible. where there is a certain group, sect or
> > > political party which may want to destabalize the govt by means other
> than
> > > competence.
> > > the communication of 26/11 is perhaps, "look how amazing we are, how
> > > effectively we did this whole thing, so much mayhem and destruction and
> that
> > > too at a fairly low cost. USE US for all your needs." its an ad for the
> > > whole world which our media greedily obliged them and helped propogate
> their
> > > cause as best as was possible.
> > > these bllody killers, LET, deccan mujah... etc are eventually
> professional
> > > organisations that need money to sustain themselves and this is how
> they
> > > make their money.. the taj was the biggest most successful ad-film that
> they
> > > have on their portfolio. theyre set for life. now the next new terror
> > > organization will have to better this if they have to beat the
> competition.
> > >
> > > so the communication was clear, its just that it wasnt targetted to us.
> > > sadly we just stand to bear the brunt of it. we are just a part of the
> > > collateral damage, even if the gun points straight at us.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > deepak pathania
> > > nid 1995
> > > director
> > > design intervention (I) pvt. ltd.
> > > www.designintervent ion.biz
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: kedar prabhavalkar
> > > To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups. co.in>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] Terror is
> > > communication
> > >
> > > dear partho,
> > > could not agree more with you.
> > > but what is it they are trying to communicate?
> > > when a baby cries or throws a tantrum it does so
> > > because it cannot speak for itself that it is hungry, needs to go to
> the
> > > toilet etc.
> > >
> > > in this case what is the message?
> > > i mean besides their overt demand for their individual 'causes',
> > > what is the basic message all terrorists are telling the world?
> > >
> > > could it be that something is basically wrong and please could
> everybody
> > > take this a bit more seriously?
> > >
> > > or maybe its like one of those beautifully made ads, where you remember
> the
> > > ad but forget what the product was.
> > >
> > > kedar prabhavalkar
> > > JJ, arch
> > > 1996
> > > studio inspira
> > > mumbai
> > > Woody Allen - "I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick.
> Not
> > > wounded. Dead."
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, partho guha
> > > <parthoelephant@ yahoo.co. in <parthoelephant% 40yahoo.co. in>>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Terror is communication
> > >> The strength of terrorism is not destruction, not death but media. It
> is
> > >> the impact mass media leaves on millions of viewer's mind, which
> creates
> > >> terror. Real terror is not the bomb in the market which has gone off
> but
> > >> those potential bombs planted in the mind of million individual. There
> is
> > >> no
> > >> terrorism (in this scale) without a continuous, repetitive all TV
> channel
> > >> blast at our living room.
> > >> All good terrorist know that. Like an ingenious brand communication
> > >> professional they understand the obsession of the media in reality
> show
> > >> and
> > >> the strength of sensationalizing the event. It is always the bad news
> > >> which
> > >> sales. Like a master storyteller they direct a terror event where it
> has
> > >> the
> > >> maximum exposure. National news is not enough it must qualify as a
> deep
> > >> concern internationally. It the CNN, BBC which is the media they are
> > >> after.
> > >> The terror acts are like episodes of a hit film. The new one has to
> outdo
> > >> the previous one. Some time back remote bombing was news, now there is
> a
> > >> live human involved to add drama, sage and hostage lengthens suspense
> and
> > >> viewing time. The visual quality of the imagery also matters. Each
> > >> terrorist even has there own kind of stories, there is no more a need
> of
> > >> owning it up, we know there brands. It will not be surprising if they
> also
> > >> carry camera and telecast live from the action point to heighten the
> > >> emotion.
> > >> Real terror is a communication exercise and weaponry, death counts,
> > >> locations are just props in the story.
> > >>
> > >> Partho Guha
> > >> NID/ Elephant
> > >>
> > >> Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at
> > >> http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
>
>
>

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Re: channels be blacked out?
Posted by: "shubhi sachan" shubh_sac@...   shubh_sac
Mon Dec 1, 2008 6:59 pm
Hi!
 
We The Unhappy Souls
 
Amazing and the most surprising thing is that being so much focused and being so
thoughtful to every thing why we are still suffering.
we have such clear vision too every thing, but still every thing comtinues in
its same way.
 
Arent we part of any such organisations, nobody is here a son or daughter to a
politician, or no body a part of any media company.
As least at those places where we visit daily we can bring change to them.
What are we WAITNG for...
 
Regards
Shubhi
--- On Mon, 1/12/08, Dyutiman Moulik <dyutimanmoulik@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Dyutiman Moulik <dyutimanmoulik@ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] channels be blacked
out?
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Date: Monday, 1 December, 2008, 4:52 PM

Hi,

The National Security Guards who spearheaded 'Operation Black Tornado' for 60
hours since November 27, made a press conference which was aired live on NDTV
yesterday. I'm not sure how many got a chance to see that, but it was a detailed
description of the entire operation told step by step by the NSG supremo. It was
harrowing to hear but at the same time I was very impressed by the clarity and
detail with which it was described. The NSG declared that they had also taken
complete responsibility of filtering and delaying media content that we saw on
television. The reason is obvious and comprehendible. They also said that media
personnel has very been co-operative under their vigilance and their role is
highly commendable. Yes, along with the brave commandos, firefighters, survivors
and martyrs, it felt proud to hear about media's brave role too. At least they
were not like the spineless politicians who cocooned themselves till it was safe
to come out and
offer compensations or take a terrorism 'tourism' with their film-maker friends.

I partly agree that some reporters were insensitive to ask needless questions to
injured victims, eyewitnesses and survivors; but they have been there to do
their job risking their lives 24/7 and today they are no less shocked or sad
than we audiences are. I'm sure they are also introspecting their role and job
in this aftermath.

A much bigger concern is whether our toothless politicians and bureaucrats will
do their job after this? And if as common man, we would be more vigilant,
disciplined and cooperative while waiting in a queue to be checked before we
enter an airport, metro or theatre. And if we will stop piling garbage
carelessly anywhere and everywhere (which is proven to be a safe hideout for a
bomb).

I feel this is a time not for bashing or blaming each other (whether Pakistan or
politician), but a time to seriously introspect our own habits, perceptions and
actions in daily public life and what we Indians foresee as a good and safe
'quality of life'. Do we really understand 'quality of public life' at all?
Design may not yet play a major role in new anti-terror policy-making in our
country, but we can do a lot in designing subsequent systems that can force
people to change from a 'chalta-hai' attitude.

Regards,
Dyutiman Moulik
PD, NID 98-03
Bangalore

From: deepak pathania
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:37 PM
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Subject: Re: [Designindia: www.indiadesignfest ival.org] channels be blacked
out?

"In a crisis where a country is under attack, should not the news
channels be blacked out, blocked? "

here too my thoughts...
while i was watching the entire sad events unfolding, i was wondering if it was
the right thing that we were getting to watch it.
my personal answers are the following:
the news channels should not be blocked as we all want to know whats
happening... however it IS a fact that it gives away the moves of the counter
terrorist

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