Well, I thought I would stay out of this one, but it is the end of today's
play, and I have some time left over, so here goes...

dear vyas-ji must be chewing his nails in deep regret, or else like a good
mcp having a good laugh, tell us please!

and for our progressive brethren and mrethren in the western hemisphere
thankyou for keeping us backward desis in check, thankyou.

we are perhaps headed through dialogue, to an age where
polarities, merge into a more energized whole,

but to see that one needs to
tune-out, soft-focus, and on that note
good night
eat with all your might sleep tight.

mail end protocol
RM
VC
1990







>
> funny!
> And I may concur with Deepa...there is this great desire for
> "globalization" (sic..whatever that means. Noam Chomsky has a lot of views
> on that) and integration in India. I'm unclear as to what this definition
> of "idealistic" is? But it does sound like something from a 100 years
> ago. The world is changing..work habits and environments are changing and
> perhaps we need to get with the times in 2005 don't you think?
>
> That choice of language almost suggests you want to be left behind
>
> Perhaps you need to rethink what "practical" is? There are "female"
> copter pilots in the Indian armed forces just in case you need a point of
> reference!
> Ramu Dhara
>>>> deeparnirmal@... 04/01/05 1:32 PM >>>
>
> Rit, your explanation and attempted justification is
> only making the whole controversy worse, IMO.
>
> So, rather than improving conditions, we just accept
> that women should not work at night, and start
> formalizing this discrimination? This is just boggling
> my mind.
>
> What next, shall we bar women from the police, since,
> gee whiz, they may come in contact with criminals in
> that situation?
>
> By further extension of this logic, let's also bar
> women from NID, IDC, NIFT etc.- women don't make good
> designers anyway. And let's see, what else can we do
> to roll society back a few hundred years?
>
> Furiously,
> Deepa
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Rit <rit4you@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Female/Male designers,
>> LAST WEEK NEWS:
>>
>> Textile units cheer move to allow women work late
>> night
>> G. Gurumurthy
>> Coimbatore , March 31
>>
>> THE Central Government's decision to amend the
>> Factories Act to allow women to work in night shift
>> between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. has cheered the textile
>> sector, which have been calling for labour reforms
>> in
>> the face of what they call a shortfall in
>> competitive
>> labour to tackle global trade.
>> -----------------------------------
>> THIS WEEK NEWS:
>> Reverse decision on night shift for women workers:
>>
>> New Delhi, Mar 31 (UNI) Strongly opposing the Union
>> cabinet's decision to allow night shifts for women
>> workers, the pro-CPI(M) Centre of Indian Trade
>> Unions
>> (CITU) today urged the government to reverse the
>> decision saying working conditions throughout the
>> country doesn't call for such a move.
>>
>> "This unilateral decision, just two days prior to
>> the
>> meeting of the Labour Minister with the central
>> trade
>> unions, is only to placate the employers,
>> particularly
>> in the SEZ/EPZ and garment sector," Mr Sen said.
>>
>> "The present environment in work places throughout
>> the
>> country is not conducive to venture on such a
>> precipitative move," he said urging the government
>> to
>> reverse the decision.
>>
> _________________________________________________________________
>>
>> So, I believe the requirement could be of a male
>> designer.
>> We should not encourage such discrimination but I
>> believe its is not practical to be so idealistic in
>> present environment in India.
>>
>> To cut it short. They might be looking for a MALE
>> designer who can work day and night for them. J
>>
>> Regards
>> Rit
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Deepa Rathnam Nirmal <deeparnirmal@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have to add I too was shocked to see the
>> > stipulation
>> > for a male- what possible relevance a person's sex
>> > would have for the job is beyond me. Are they
>> > expecting the person to work in some hazardous
>> > situation where a 'delicate' female would not
>> > survive?
>> > Or is there some serious heavy lifting involved?
>> >
>> > Here in the US, there would be a line of gleeful
>> > lawyers outside the door of the organization
>> before
>> > you could utter the word 'lawsuit'. Somebody needs
>> > to
>> > inform these people that such double standards, if
>> > not
>> > pass*, definitely deserve to be.
>> >
>> > Deepa
>> >
>> > Deepa Rathnam Nirmal
>> > CD, NID, 1989-95
>> > SVP, Creative Services, Visum
>> > St. Paul, MN, USA
>> >
>> > --- Prachi <imprachi@...> wrote:
>> > > As Asok pointed out, being a 'female' textile
>> > > designer
>> > > suddenly sounds like an issue. I'm surprised
>> that
>> > > such a
>> > > bias still exists amongst us so-called
>> > > aducated/urban
>> > > societies. And ironically that too in a design
>> > area
>> > > with
>> > > the highest women to men ratio.
>> > >
>> > > Prachi Mishra
>> > > NID,TD
>> > > 2004
>> > > freelancer
>> > > New Delhi
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- Asok George <asokaag@...> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Asok Abraham George
>> > > > Design Lead
>> > > > Volvo Truck Corporation
>> > > > Gothenburg Sweden
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Perhaps I've been living in Sweden for too
>> > > > long...........
>> > > >
>> > > > But posting for a job specifing gender would
>> > never
>> > > be
>> > > > accepted here. Its
>> > > > like saying "only whites need apply".
>> > > >
>> > > > I think such attitudes should not encouraged
>> by
>> > > the
>> > > > design community in
>> > > > India.
>> > > >
>> > > > ASOK
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >From: "Arvind Lodaya"
>> <emailarvind@...>
>> > > > >Reply-To: designindia@...
>> > > > >To: <designindia@...>
>> > > > >Subject: [designindia] "male fabric"
>> > designer!!1
>> > > > >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:31:24 +0530
>> > > > >
>> > > > >This is how Pradyumna's post showed up in my
>> > > mailbox,
>> > > > and I think it is
>> > > > >deliciously ironic!
>> > > > >BTW: What exactly is a "male fabric" and how
>> > does
>> > > it
>> > > > differ from a "female
>> > > > >fabric"?
>> > > > > Message: 4
>> > > > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:41:49 +0530
>> > (IST)
>> > > > > From: "Pradyumna Vyas"
>> > <pradyumna@...>
>> > > > > Subject: Requirement of a Male Fabric
>> > Designer
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [This message is not in displayable
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>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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