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Hmmmm,
Design Classics of India is yet to come!
We have been getting too much worried about our pasts
and tring to find the missing threads!
We borrowed technology and tried to re-engineer it,
Design was the last thing on the mind as basic needs
had to be met! (which is an endless urge)
Now we can claim that we do can make satellites,
softwares, machines, cars, etc.... (though we cannot
provide water to all!)
Its time to design....(and also provide water
parallely!)To make the classic

I think many good designers are doing it....we wont be
able to see its presence....as there are too many
people....
It will be used and the pleasure of using it will make
it classic....may be by chance, by accident...you
might hit upon one....if you find one let us know

Kiran Kulkarni



--- manish pillewar <manishpi@...> wrote:

> I totally agree with what Nandini says.
> Design came from the crafts too.Be it the Lota or
> wooden toys or new
> fashion clothes or Bamboo lampshades for that
> matter.The definition of a
> craft encompasses that of design to an extent. Each
> have evolved from one
> another. Both should benefit from each other. It is
> time that we look back
> and realize what we were, what we had and try and
> instill the fresh concept
> & definition of 'Design' to profit the same.
> As far interaction design is concerned, its always
> been here. The act of
> story telling( the Kawads for eg. or the Ram Lila or
> design of games likes
> Chess and Chauras are all excellent examples of
> interactive products) and
> have been here since ages. It's only that we still
> need the stamp of
> 'Conceptualized in the West' that we still like to
> follow. I agree that
> probably the west in Bauhaus and Ulm defined design
> better. Now that we
> realise that its the same old cloth in a new
> packing, its time to move on.
> Design in the west has moved on from need based to
> experience based design,
> we in India like all other technologies, work
> parallel to each other. We are
> amazing in that we can take the latest technology,
> give it a form of
> 'experience'( based on traditional methods) and take
> it the villages where
> its needed the most.
> I rate Indian Technologists and Designers very high
> in that
> capability.Sodoes the west and thats why they need
> Indian designers.
> India, with its
> diversity, culture, traditions is simply beyond them
> to comprehend.
> Design was in its infancy till now, but we are
> growing & our days have
> come.
> Manish Pillewar
> AEP PD-NID 2002-05
> User Interaction Designer
> [Infosys Technologies, Bangalore.]
>
>
> On 8/2/05, Nandini <naganandini@...> wrote:
> >
> > I agree about all these products being evolved and
> as
> > such not 'designed'.
> > But I disagree with your words 'that we must take
> > > refuge to our craft sector???'
> > Craft products are products too, and there is no
> > difference between a well designed craft product
> and a
> > well designed idustrially made product. And in
> India,
> > craft is a huge sector (I'm afraid i dont know the
> > figures to quote here) and zillions of people make
> a
> > living through it. Besides, a designer working
> with
> > craft has a lot more freedom to work, since the
> > materials, tools and processes are simple enough
> to be
> > entirely in his grasp.
> > There has been some good product design in India,
> in
> > the industrial sector (I can think of luggage) and
> > there has been some some good craft design (like
> > Neelam's jawaja project). And design wise one can
> > think of both in the same level.
> > I think the problem with industrial products here
> in
> > India is that unless one comes up with an
> invention
> > that is entirely new and then designs the product,
> no
> > one gives credit to the product designer. For
> products
> > concieved in the west and then designed here,
> people
> > say oh thats just a copy.
> >
> > regards
> > naga nandini
> > pd 1987 nid
> > bangalore
> >
> > --- sandip paul <dreamer_worldin@...> wrote:
> >
> > > dear all,
> > > many of us have cited examples of design
> > > classics...however i agree to none of them.
> > > one should understand that certain products were
> not
> > > 'designed' but have evolved over time... the
> reason
> > > why they still exist !
> > > haven't we 'designed' a single product for the
> > > industry in all these years....that we must take
> > > refuge to our craft sector???
> > >
> > > with hard feelings to none...
> > >
> > > paul sandip
> > > NID ( 2002-05 ) - PGD(PD)
> > > LG Electronics India Pvt. Ltd.
> > > 09899302457
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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> > >
> > >
> > > Deepankar Bhattacharyya
> <deepankar_bhatta@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > I can think of several...
> > >
> > > How about the kurta or the ghagra as a garment,
> not
> > > to mention the
> > > sari or the dhoti.
> > >
> > > Then again the implements used in the kitchen,
> the
> > > coconut grater or
> > > the thing used for cutting fish, the one where
> one
> > > steadies the
> > > implement with the toes and cuts the fish
> against
> > > the sharp end that
> > > faces upwards, lots of fish shops have them. We
> also
> > > have the
> > > grinder for making wet masala.
> > >
> > > All of these have withstood the passage of time
> > > which surely is an
> > > important criterion for anything to achieve
> classic
> > > status.
> > >
> > > Not to forget the beautiful betel nut cutters
> and
> > > the combs that one
> > > finds in the interiors.
> > >
> > > The 'mora' for sitting on or the low stool used
> in
> > > floor level
> > > kitchens.
> > >
> > > The musical instruments like the tabla or the
> sitar
> > > among so many
> > > others come to mind.
> > >
> > > There really are so many .......
> > >
> > > Industrial design products may be difficult to
> find
> > > because we did
> > > not really have a sophisticated enough industry
> or a
> > > market. Now
> > > that we are getting one, everything appears to
> have
> > > been designed
> > > already somewhere in the world and one just
> tweaks
> > > them a bit here
> > > and there, sorry if that doesn't go down too
> well
> > > with our
> > > colleagues from that area of design.
> > >
> > > But Sandy, you didn't really mean, Industrial
> > > products did you?
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Deepankar Bhattacharyya
> > > NID 1970-76
> > > Images Communications
> > > New Delhi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In designindia@..., "sanandan"
>
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Dear All, Today a very close friend asked me a question "Tell me 5 Indian Design Classics". I would love to know how the group reacts to this question and help...
sanandan
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Jul 31, 2005
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In my view, the only truely classic design that has had a huge impact on Indian life is the "Charkha". Unlike other countires, media has not given enough...
Uday Dandavate
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if i remember correctly, prof. kirti trivedi of idc had done a project documenting indian inventive products from all over inidia. he will be right source. ...
sudhakar nadkarni
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Aug 1, 2005
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I can think of several... How about the kurta or the ghagra as a garment, not to mention the sari or the dhoti. Then again the implements used in the kitchen,...
Deepankar Bhattacharyya
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how about jaipur foot...... The idea of making the jaipur foot was first conceived by Mr. Ram Chandra Sharma who designed and developed the foot and the limb...
milind risaldar
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Aug 1, 2005
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dear all, many of us have cited examples of design classics...however i agree to none of them. one should understand that certain products were not 'designed'...
sandip paul
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Hi Sandip, That is an interesting take on the discussion. I have often wondered if design as a 'profession' as it is practiced today in India is really...
Prasant Sivadasan
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Aug 2, 2005
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dear prashant, thanks for the appreciation. why are we concerned so much if we have 'invented' the practice of design as a profession or not? i feel grooming a...
sandip paul
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Hi Sandip, I think the questions I posed had nothing related to guilt. The questions had more to do with trying to understand what the profession/practice of...
Prasant Sivadasan
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I agree about all these products being evolved and as such not 'designed'. But I disagree with your words 'that we must take ... Craft products are products...
Nandini
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Aug 2, 2005
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I totally agree with what Nandini says. Design came from the crafts too.Be it the Lota or wooden toys or new fashion clothes or Bamboo lampshades for that...
manish pillewar
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Aug 2, 2005
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Hmmmm, Design Classics of India is yet to come! We have been getting too much worried about our pasts and tring to find the missing threads! We borrowed...
kulkarni kiran
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Aug 2, 2005
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Design is not defined by the sector of industry it is churned from or by the type of products but by the desire to humanize the process of creating the...
Uday Dandavate
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Definitely there is a huge gap today between the crafts person who makes a product, the exporter who sells it and the ultimate end user. I think this gap can...
Nandini
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Aug 2, 2005
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Uday, you mentioned the disconnect between the producer and consumer in our present economic reality. Would you say 'making the connection' is separate from...
Sridhar Dhulipala
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Aug 2, 2005
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Design, even before it is embodied comes together as an image in a designer's imagination or through the direct manipulation of the material (as in a potter)...
Uday Dandavate
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... the ... to the ... sensitivity. ... Interesting! So aren't there any design classics anywhere in the world? post craftperiod and in the industrial paradigm...
Deepankar Bhattacharyya
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Hi Uday Dandavate, I do not think we have met...but never the less this forum..is perfect for good neat debate..with wisdom...I enjoyed and liked the words put...
prakash unakal
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dear nandini, a craft is no longer a craft if it is torn out of the craftsmans hand and is replicated by machines. there is a lot of difference between a batch...
sandip paul
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Hi All, Please have a look.. http://www.arno.org/designclassics/ Luv & Peace Suvidhaa ... Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send...
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