Hi George,

Sounds interesting. Is it possible to illustrate your
thoughts on problem solving/innovation vs design by
way of some examples?

Siddharth Dash
AEP - PD 1992
Mumbai
--- icarus design <icarusdesign@...> wrote:


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Dear Deepankar,
I would tend to think that most desingers actually
have a sense of the
eventual outcome which they then tend to refine in
consecutive steps. The
more i observe and practise Design the more i tend to
believe that this is
the truth of the process rather than what it is often
made out to be i.e a
"problem solving approach" and this actually makes it
rather exciting
because this funny ability to project forward, and
trust it and then have
the skills to make it visible flies against much
present day preconceived
ideas of "problem solving" "innovation" etc. it also
actually would mean
that the core of the ability cannot be "systematised"
and it will remain
gloriously personal. However this ability to project
forward and then
actualise is the Design inheritence, our one
horizontal contribution, which
everyone can use in their own field and in a sense can
be taught to
everyone, regardless of their backgrounds. So a wish
that i nurture is to
define Design inclusively, so that we may be able to
isolate that one factor
which is unique to our way of doing things which can
actually become very
valuable common property.
George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deepankar Bhattacharyya"
<deepankar_bhatta@...>
To: <designindia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: [designindia] Re: defining design


> hi George, Arvind,
>
> I wonder if designers don't actually visualise a set
of possible end
> results and then figure out how to make it happen,
of course, a
> great deal of inputting of various kinds of
information does happen
> before s/he attempts it.
>
> Doesn't one dream up the possibility first?
>
> Do managers do this? Building visions and strategic
goals perhaps?
>
> Inventors definitely do something like this.
>
> Artists and pure scientists are more exploratory ,
ways of seeing,
> search for underlying truths are more important,
looking for
> principles and so on.
>
> I guess there are people who build knowledge and
others who apply it
> to fuel dreams, sometimes practical, sometimes not.
>
> interesting discussion this, I need to think more on
this.
>
> regards
>
> Deepankar Bhattacharyya
> NID 1970-76
> Images Communications
> New Delhi
>
>
>
>
> --- In designindia@..., "icarus
design"
> <icarusdesign@v...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Arvind,
> > Actually my thought is to define Design
"generically".
> > I feel managers are engaged in "Design" when they
imagine, project
> forward
> > and have the skills to then make their idea
visible and working.
> > Engineers are engaged in the same kind of process
when they too
> imagine a
> > new extension of Movement or Thought and are then
able to make it
> visible
> > through materials and technology.
> > By placing imagination before the act ....... i.e
by avoiding the
> definition
> > of Design as a "problem solving process" i am
trying to avoid the
> pretension
> > that the process is completely logical,
mathematical or
> predictable. Some
> > fallouts of the definition are : you can imagine
in an area where
> you do not
> > have the ability to plan, but there you are
engaged in an activity
> of
> > imagination not Design, you can plan in an area
where you do not
> have the
> > ability to imagine then you are a project manager
[perhaps] but
> not a
> > designer.
> > Speaking of intentionality i need to say what mine
was to attempt a
> > definition of Design .... i was interested in
defining design from
> the point
> > of view of "capability" and "human ability" and
less from the
> point of view
> > of positioning it between art, science etc.......
> > So perhaps the quintessential ability of a manager
is to provide
> leadership
> > to achieve a target or objective while having the
ability to
> maximise on
> > resources.
> > My other intention was also to make it congruent
with what i
> observe about
> > design on an everyday basis which is that the
Designer is a
> Designer only in
> > a particular field where he has deep
understanding, in other areas
> he may
> > have much to say that is valid because the process
of Design in
> any field
> > leads to self understanding which leads to a mind
which has a
> point of view
> > about almost anything under the sun.
> > This however should not lead to a misguided sense
of being able to
> actually
> > Design in any field at any time.
> >
> > Would be great to hear what you have to say.
> > George
> > NID AEP PD
> > 1993
> > www.icarus.co.in
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arvind [work]" <emailarvind@h...>
> > To: <designindia@...>
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:55 AM
> > Subject: [designindia] defining design
> >
> >
> > > George said:
> > >
> > > "Design is the human ability to imagine an
eventual outcome and
> create a
> > > plan to achieve it."
> > >
> > > My response:
> > >
> > > The problem with defining design in terms of
human
> intentionality and
> > > planning is that it becomes too generic. For
example, management
> could
> > also
> > > define itself exactly the same way! (I am also
wary of management
> > > appropriating design and reducing it to another
> mechanistic "process".)
> > >
> > > If you envisage a continuum between "art" and
"management", I'd
> locate
> > > design much closer to the "art" end -- because
it's more about
> ideation,
> > > imagination and invention than operation,
execution and
> organisation. On
> > the
> > > other hand, if you envisage a continuum between
"art"
> and "scientific
> > > invention", I'd locate design bang in the
middle, because both
> are
> > actually
> > > about imagining/inventing the
unimagined/uninvented.
> > >
> > > While "making" *is* pivotal to design, its core
lies in
> the "imagining": I
> > > can envision a situation where a designer
"imagines" but does
> not "make",
> > > but the other way round does not work. I've used
the expression
> > > "conservative artist" to explain what/who a
designer is. Don't
> know if
> > > you'll agree.
> > >
> > > Best/Arvind
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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