Dear Natasha,

I thought this might help understanding LCA based design problems.

ttp://www.idsa. org/whatsnew/ sections/ ecosection/ okala.html
  http://www.pre. nl/eco-indicator 99/ei99-reports. htm
http://www.pre. nl/simapro/ default.htm? gclid=CNX_ xqm0vJYCFRNOagod QkwXxw
  http://www.epa. gov/nrmrl/ std/sab/traci/
  http://www.gabi- software. com/
  http://www.eiolca. net/
  http://www.searates .com/reference/ portdistance/


I haven't gone through all of them but I think this might be of help may be
about general LCA.
  Regards
Rahul Khadaliya

www.rahulkhadaliya..com




________________________________
From: natasha jeyasingh <njeyasingh@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Saturday, 1 November, 2008 11:46:59 AM
Subject: [designindia] Info needed: LCA and automotive design


Dear All,

Needed some information and thought this would be the best place to get it.

I am looking for information or a way of contacting Dr Kota Harinarayan who
was involved in the development of the Light Combat Aircraft.
If anyone knows how to do so or if anyone knows anyone else (that's a lot of
'anyones' in a sentence) who was involved in the LCA project, could you
please mail me?

I also wanted to know which are the design schools in India that have a
course in Automotive design? and if there is anyone (again!!) who is an
Automotive designer in India, could you also, please get in touch with me.

Thank you all.
regards,
Natasha Jeyasingh
LAD, NID 2005
Interior Stylist
Chennai

--
"wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are"

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Dear All,

Needed some information and thought this would be the best place to get it.

I am looking for information or a way of contacting Dr Kota Harinarayan who
was involved in the development of the Light Combat Aircraft.
If anyone knows how to do so or if anyone knows anyone else (that's a lot of
'anyones' in a sentence) who was involved in the LCA project, could you
please mail me?

I also wanted to know which are the design schools in India that have a
course in Automotive design? and if there is anyone (again!!) who is an
Automotive designer in India, could you also, please get in touch with me.

Thank you all.
regards,
Natasha Jeyasingh
LAD, NID 2005
Interior Stylist
Chennai

--
"wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are"


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Respected Sir,
thanks for your deepawali greetings and well wishing. being a ex-student of
your's it is my pleasure to see your mail here. your class inputs are really an
excellent asset for my design thinking.
 
Very Best Regards,
Santosh K Jha
2004-07, PGDCD
IICD, Jaipur

--- On Mon, 27/10/08, Mahendra Patel <mcpatel@...> wrote:

From: Mahendra Patel <mcpatel@...>
Subject: [designindia] Diwali Greetings from Mahendra Patel
To: designindia@...
Date: Monday, 27 October, 2008, 10:56 AM






Dear DesignIndia Member Friends,

My hearty best wishes for Happy & Prosperous New Year to all of you.
By God's blessings and good luck, I am busy with teaching even after
retiring from NID in 2003. This year has been very satisfying one. Apart
from regular 2 weeks' teachings at SID, Pune I had teaching workshops at
Srishti, IDC and MIT during last 6 months.

Withmy kind regards and love to you and family,

--
Mahendra Patel
M: 09820281341, E: mcpatel@theleafdesi gn.com

Mumbai Address (Chief Mentor):
The Leaf Design, 411, Abhishek, Off New Link Road, Andheri-West, Mumbai 400
053

Pune Address (Senior Faculty):
Symbiosis Institute of Design, S. No. 231/3A-4, Viman Nagar, Pune 411 014

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Before I comment on the exchange, I would like to deliberate on the
history and context of the use of Pictograms in sports events and a
little bit about Warli paintings.

History of Olympic Pictograms

They were first introduced at the 1964 Tokyo Games. The first
systematically designed set of pictograms for both sports and services
was created for the Games in Tokyo in 1964 by Masasa Katzumie as
artistic director and Yoshiro Yamashita as graphic designer. Pictograms
were designed for Mexico in 1968, Munich in 1972 and Moscow in 1980.

In 1972 during Munich Olympics the pictograms were designed under the
direction of Otl Aicher. He used the basic geometry formula. The
pictograms became sort of universal standard.

Montreal games used them without change. Los Angeles and Seoul adopted
them with slight modifications.

During Barcelona games the geometric formula was left behind. The
designer was Josep. M. Trias. It was from this time that the
representational simplification of the human body in three parts (head,
arms and legs) was adopted.

About Sports Pictograms

In the sports pictograms, the fundamental reference point is the human
body in the postures which are most characteristic of the practice of
each sport. The competition ground, however, also appears when necessary
for the sign to be understood, as in the case of swimming. In the other
sports, the human body is combined with the characteristic equipment of
each sport

About Warli Paintings

Warli paintings depict social life. Images of human beings and animals
are created in a loose rhythmic pattern. They depict scenes of human
figures engaged in activities like hunting, dancing, sowing, harvesting,
etc.

Here are a few points to consider

# There are two major milestones in the history of Sports pictograms at
Munich in 1972 and at Barcelona in 1992.

# The history tells us that the pictograms have evolved. At the same
time all of them maintained the connection with the earlier works and
especially with the Munich and Barcelona works.

# Adaptations while maintaining the same connection added to it the
local / regional / national culture representation.

# The point of deviation has been the added cultural representation.

# ""of course Mexico and Osaka Olympics had there own cultural
flavour and without any refuge from Munich symbols"

Mexico and Tokyo (not Osaka) Olympics happened before Munich so the
question of taking any refuge from Munich symbols does not arise.

#  " I am sorry to say that you have killed two beautiful birds in
one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher's Munich Olympic symbols,
which are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer"

For CYG Pictograms the human body postures are used as reference points.
The depiction of human action in a rhythmic manner adopted from Warli
paintings is used for the cultural representation. It is perfectly
natural and appropriate.



I feel there is nothing so sacrosanct about Otl Aicher's Munich
symbols or Warli paintings that they not be touched. For Warli except
for the style of depicting rhythmic action in a particular line stroke,
there is no set / accepted norms. As in the case of CYG symbols they
could have been the starting point, but surely not the execution
direction. They could be the inspiration but not the conclusion. So to
say that beauty of the original has been compromised is untenable. Every
Warli painting is original. The Munich symbols are original and so are
the CYG Symbols.


Regards!

Hrridaysh Deshpande
Director
Elephantversity


--- In designindia@..., sudhakar nadkarni nadkarni36@
wrote:

Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is the
"post-critical society", In brief: a society in which there is nothing
to criticize, in which everything is accepted without resistance

This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st
conference at Bangalore. Congratulations ashish for your great
presentation. I also like to give complements for the logo you
(elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and the shape of the
coin have a cultural connotation.

Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you
have killed two beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl
Aicher's Munich Olympic symbols, which are the best thing ever happen by
any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico, and Osaka Olympics had there own
cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich symbols), and
secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art beauty. The result of
your intercourse between Munich and warli is a bastardized version,
which is obnoxious. I think it is very unethical and should be
immediately withdrawn form father circulation.

I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms. He
should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
pictograms and to develop a sense of originality. And secondly a promise
from him that he will never indulge in this type of crime.

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Dear All,

I believe the work done by The Elephant Team is no act of frivolousness. I'm
100% sure there would have been an elaborate process and research one has done.
The outcome is a clear distillation of variety of ideas and thought directions.
Feedback and comments are good till the time they are positive which typically
would cross the thin line and end up into topics & situations where people are
scoring points. The constructiveness dies.

On the contrary this is the only group/ company (Elephant Design) who are always
ready to share openly & put up thoughts on the table for criticism, which should
be appreciated rather than stretching it so much.

I feel it was a great effort and a great outcome too.

Shekhar
NID PD 98

Dear Designindia Members,

 
Please note that some important update on “India Design Report” given below: 
According to my little experience and observations, Design in India did not get
much attention relatively. While other creative division like handicrafts making
global foray still design sector is trying to find its feet. Design is just an
incidental activity and informal economy, Design not identified as a strategic
tool in Indian scenario.  
 
One of the main hindered factors is “Lack of communication with government or
business associations from designers and design community.
 
As an individual you would like to change scenario?
You would like to fill the gaps between designers and government?
 
Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) has been actively involved in promotion
of Design in the country. One of the recent initiatives taken up by CII on
Design is the compilation of  India Design Report. 
 
The objectives of the design report is:-

To describe the Indian design business
To know the core competence of the design houses and design schools
To promote the mutual interest of the design community
To assess mutually beneficial creative business collaboration opportunities
To elaborate design infrastructure and design ecology
To identify design zones or cluster mapping
To showcase of India design potential and make design alliances
To develop and share knowledge of design
 
The first comprehensive report on India design sector will create a clear
picture of design industry strengths and potentials. The design report will
analyze the design sector magnitude and characteristics. And it also gives
innumerable insights to design promotion in the country.
 
I believe that India Design Report is a domain centric and collective voice of
Indian designers.
 
Your voice is important and as an individual you can change the scenario, you
can fill the strategic gaps and contribute to promotion of design business in
India by sending filled up questionnaire to seema.gupta@... /
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You can download the questionnaire from the “Designindia” files section or
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inviting proposals for 2008 IDF

Background

Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) along with NID are pleased to partner
Pune Design
Foundation to scale-up the Pune Design Festival and the Design Summit by
announcing
the India Design Festival 2008(IDF 08) from 1-7th December 2008 in Pune.

India Design Festival (IDF) aims to address the following areas:

• How design can inspire transformation for businesses in India.
• To bring together successful design stories from India and overseas
• To discuss new challenges and opportunities for the growth of design industry

Invitation

The idea of India Design Festival is to have few days full of diverse activities
related to
design and impact of design in Pune.

The organizing committee of India Design Festival has started to accept the
event
proposals for the proposed events to be held during India Design Festival from
Businesses, Institutions, Organisations, Bodies and individuals.

You are encouraged to plan / host / conduct / advertise your own events. As a
part of the
IDF your event shall be included in promotional plans of IDF, and you would be
assisted
with putting up IDF branding and information at your site. You would be able to
use the
IDF branding in your communication.

The events have to happen in Pune during 1st to 7th december 2008.
Events must be approved by IDF.

The deadline to submit your proposal is 10th November 2008.

All organizations / individuals who submit event proposals will receive email
notification
of their event's status in three working days from the date of receipt. Formal
notification
will follow.

All accepted event proposals will be represented on the India Design Festival
Website and
the appropriate promotional collaterals of the festival.

For the purpose of submitting the event proposal, Please e-mail  to Seema Gupta
(seema.gupta@...) with a cc to Sudhir Sharma
(sudhir@...) .

You may contact Sudhir Sharma (sudhir@...) (+91 98220 93832) to
discuss your plan or idea.

Dear All,

Thank you for the prompt replies to my post for an illustrator.
I enjoyed going through all the links attached.

I have sent all your contacts as well as other information to Manasi who
works for Karadi tales.
She is the person looking out for an illustrator and so will be getting in
touch with you.

Once again, thanks for the replies.

regards,
Natasha Jeyasingh
LAD, NID 2005
Interior Stylist
Chennai

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YOU HAVE LOST THE PLOT

- Rajdeep Sardesai (Editor-in-Chief, IBN Network)
(http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=60cfd3cb-8223-415c-8418-9\
1945ce8232e)

" My dear Raj,
My apologies for having to communicate through the editorial pages of a
newspaper, but frankly I am left with little choice since you seem to have
decided to stay away from the so-called 'national' non-Marathi media. At the
very outset, let me say that I am impressed with the manner in which you have
carved a niche in Maharashtra's political landscape. I remember meeting you
after the Mumbai municipal corporation elections in February last year. It
wasn't the best of times for you: your party, the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena was
marginalised, while your cousin Uddhav Thackeray and the Shiv Sena had captured
power in the city. With many of your supporters deserting you, you appeared
down, if not quite out. Twenty months later, I see you've bounced back: local
and national dailies have you on the front page, you are the subject of TV
debates and your politics has even united Bihar's warring netas.
And yet, my friend, there is a thin line between fame and notoriety, more so in
the  fickle world of politics. Bashing north Indian students may grab the
headlines, getting arrested may even get you sympathy and strident rhetoric will
always have a constituency, but will they be enough to secure your ultimate
dream of succeeding your uncle Bal Thackeray as the flagbearer of Marathi asmita
(pride)?

If Balasaheb in the 1960s rose to prominence by targeting the south Indian
"lungiwala", you have made the north Indian "bhaiyya" the new 'enemy'. In the
1960s, the Maharashtrian middle-class  in Mumbai was feeling the pressure of
competition for white-collar clerical jobs. Today, it seems that there is a
similar sense of frustration at losing out economically and culturally to other
social groups in Mumbai's endless battle for scarce resources. With the Congress
and the NCP having become the real estate agents of the state's rural-urban
bourgeoisie and the Shiv Sena a pale shadow of its original avatar, the space
has been created for a charismatic leader to emerge as a rabble-rouser espousing
the sons of the soil platform.

But Raj, I must remind you that electoral politics is very different from street
agitations. Sure, the round-the-clock coverage of taxis being stoned and buses
burnt will get you instant recognition. Yes, your name may inspire fear like
your uncle's once did. And perhaps there will always be a core group of lumpen
youth who will be ready to do your bidding. But how much of this will translate
into votes? Identity politics based on hatred and violence is subject to the law
of diminishing returns, especially in a city like Mumbai, the ultimate melting
pot of commerce. Your cousin Uddhav tried a 'Mee Mumbaikar' campaign a few years
ago. It was far more inclusive, but yet was interpreted as being anti-migrant.
The result was that the Shiv Sena lost the 2004 elections — Lok Sabha and
assembly — in its original citadel of Mumbai. Some statistics suggest that one
in every four Mumbaikars is now a migrant from UP or Bihar. Can any political
party afford to
  alienate such a large constituency in highly competitive elections?

Maybe, you are not even looking at winning seats at the moment, but staking
claim to the Sena legacy in a post-Bal Thackeray scenario. Perhaps, that's
exactly what the ruling Congress-NCP combine in Maharashtra wants: like a market
leader who gets competing brands to crush each other, the Congress-NCP
leadership seems to be practising divide and rule politics once again. They did
it with Balasaheb and the communists in the 1960s, with Bhindranwale and the
Akalis in the 1980s, even with the Kashmir Valley politicians in the 1990s. A
larger-than-life Raj Thackeray suits the ruling arrangement in the state because
it could erode its principal rival, the Shiv Sena's support base. It's a
dangerous game, but often when politicians run out of ideas, they prefer to play
with fire. It's a fire that could leave Mumbai scarred for life.

Now, before you see my writings as the outpourings of an anglicised non-resident
Maharashtrian, let me just say that like you, I too am proud of my roots. I too,
would like to see the cultural identity of Maharashtrians preserved and the
economic well-being of the community assured. Where we differ is that I am a
citizen of the Republic of India first, a proud Goan-Maharashtrian later.
Fourteen years ago, I left Mumbai for Delhi to seek professional growth and was
fortunate to be embraced by the Capital. Like millions of Indians, I too am a
migrant and a beneficiary of a nation whose borders don't stop at state
checkpoints.

Moreover, I cannot accept that 'goondaism' is the way forward for forging a
robust Maharashtrian identity. By vandalising a shop or stoning a taxi, what
kind of mindless regional chauvinism are we promoting? Taking away the
livelihood of a poor taxi driver or beating up some defenceless Bihari students
reflects a fake machismo that is no answer to what ails Maharashtrian society
today. The Maharashtra we are all proud off was inspired by the progressive
ideals of the Bhakti movement, by a Shahu-Phule-Ambedkar legacy of social
reform. Are we going to dismantle that legacy under the weight of  hate
politics?

When you started the MNS a few years ago, it had been pitched as a party
committed to a 'modern' Maharashtra. If that vision still stands, why don't you
take it forward in real terms? Why don't you, for example, set up vocational
courses and technical institutes for young Maharashtrians to make them
competitive in the job market? If cultural identity is such a concern, why not
launch a statewide campaign to promote Marathi art, theatre and cinema by
financially supporting such ventures?

If Mumbai's collapsing infrastructure worries you, then target the
politician-builder nexus first. And isn't it also time we realised that Mumbai
is not Maharashtra, that the long suffering Vidarbha and Marathwada farmer needs
urgent attention? Why not use your political and financial muscle to start
projects in rural Maharashtra instead of focusing your energies on Mumbai's
bright lights alone? An employment generation scheme in a Jalna or a Gadchiroli
may not make the front pages, but it will have far greater value for securing
Maharashtra's future.

Jai Hind, Jai Maharashtra! "

Rajdeep Sardesai (Editor-in-Chief, IBN Network)
Hindustan Times / October 30, 2008


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Dear Sagar,

The work is visible at
http://cygpune2008.com/photo-gallery/

Though i liked the fact that prof. has given his opinion even if it is based on
a few slides
that Ashish presented in the conference, it doesnt in anyway mean that the work
is not
appropriate or aesthetic. I assume that all of us know that work on this scale
is never a
matter of chance but outcome of huge deliberations and presentations.

in my opinion (i am not provoked by the inappropriate language), Pune games to
have
something inspired from local tribal art (warli) used in the language that was
used in
olympics is an example of brilliant graphic design (that is one opinion, as is
the other one).
This also not to say that there was no other way..you could have done in hundred
different
ways. We chose this one and so did the process.

You will get to see this when you come to Pune for the India Design Festival.
All the work
is out on the roads and we are aware that in any such work you are bound to get
all kinds
of response. Surprisingly, the response from people on Pune has to be heard to
be
believed. Please google CYG 2008 Pune and see the blogs for yourself.

What i liked in prof. Nadkarni's mail (inspite of limitation with language) that
he wrote
about what he felt. many times, we keep quiet (to be politically right) if we
know who did
the work. There can not be any growth if we do not discuss, criticise and
appreciate. Also
prof. nadkarni's words are not influenced by pressures of the profession. So I
accept his
criticism with respect with a difference in opinion.

in implementation it did come through very well indeed. I am now worried that
post
games- many things should have been taken off (which havent been)...and they
will soon
become eyesore.

regards
Sudhir Sharma
1989 NID
Elephant



--- In designindia@..., "Sagarmoy Paul" <sagarmoypaul@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ashish
> Is there any site where one can see the pictograms and other identity items
> being discussed here?
>
> I have rarely heard such strong statement against any piece of design work.
> Yes, we should be able to criticise and accept criticism in the right
> spirit. And thanks to Sudhir & Ashish for their gracious acceptance to
> criticism.
>
> Having said that, I find the expression 'bastardize' an extreme ideological
> statement borne out of the frozen puritan ethos of post war design which
> everyone may not share. In design, as in other social sciences there can
> never be one single way of doing things. There is no 'absolute' design
> solution. Even work of greats like Otil Aicher or Milton Glaser look dated
> and inapropriate in todays time. Therefore there is always this search for
> doing newer things. That's why we need design. There exist enough 'perfect'
> chairs, typefaces or bottle openers. That doesn't mean designers will desist
> from trying newer ways of finding solutions. Design is the most dynamic
> human activity and is ever changing – constantly imbibing people's changing
> ethos and expressing it.
>
> Therefore, my stand is why not?
>
> We are always yearning towards finding our own design language. There is
> always criticism that Indian graphic design is too westernised. In that
> sense the idea of merging Warli folk art with functionalism of a signage
> system is a welcome change. After all Warli is a folk art of Maharashtra
> (known beyond its borders) and by incorporating it in a mega sports
> event happening in a city in Maharashtra is very apt design strategy.
>
> But I will not say anything further without seeing it. Maybe
> in implementation it ddn't come through as expected.
> I will closely follow and participate in this discussion which s
> very timely: what is afterall Indian design?
>
> Best regards
>
> Sagarmoy Paul
> NID-GD (1981-87)
> THOUGHTSCAPE
> New Delhi
>
>

Hi Pravin,

Of course politics is a dirty word today, and should not be so.

But (pardon my being pedantic) hasn't it often been a bad word since times
immemorial, regularly used to imply someone who indulges in intrigue and
manipulation?

I like to differentiate between the attributes of a leader, a politician and
an administrator. Very clearly, while there are some overlaps, there are
very very distinct differences.

For example, there are some leaders par excellence who are simply not
politicians, there are some administrators who wish to be leaders (but end
up being manipulative politicians), and then there are some politicians who
are also high quality administrators, but sad leaders. (Pardon me for not
taking names here!)

However, an elected representative (who we term as a politician) is not
meant to be the administrator - he/she is supposed to represent the people
(ideally, as a leader, not just a representative, but that's a rare
situation), and provide ethical and value-based guidance to the
administrative machinery that is put at his/her disposal.

I personally do not feel that an elected representative does not need to be
a high-quality administrator himself/herself  (the IAS machinery has been
created for that very purpose and he is expected to consult and work with
this machinery) - but he/she definitely needs to be dedicated, ethical and
intelligent/wise.

Hence, for some reason, I am not fully comfortable with the statement -
"Politics is a profession like any other", while I agree that a politician
should possess the efficiency of a professional.

I like to believe that a "politician" (who is at least expected to be a
representative of those who elect him/her) should strive to be a leader (and
not merely a representative), and a leader is always a lot lot more than a
mere professional.

- Pankaj Sapkal
ex-IDC


On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:32 AM, pravin mishra <mishra_pravin@...>wrote:

>   Hi
> Sorry to deviate from the context. There's
> no doubt that 'politics' is a dirty word today. With the repeated use of
> this
> terminology in this forum, it is obvious, that we are comfortable with this
> and do
> not want to change it.
>
> I am yet to find a child who says I want to grow up to be a
> politician. And the reason for that is not hard to find. Politics is a
> profession like any other profession, and the politicians are entrusted with
> the business of running the country. And it is a sorry state of affairs
> that in India such an
> important job is entrusted to people, many of whom are not even eligible
> for a
> Class-II government job.
>
> Unfortunately, politics
> has replaced words like opportunism. A politician today means one who takes
> advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for
> principles or consequences. We all are to blamed for this. How many of the
> educated professionals go out and vote? And how many people actually vote
> for
> the best candidate, regardless of caste, creed or even party affiliation?
> How
> many people will actually tell their children to grow up and join
> politics?
>
> Politics
> is the science and the art of governance. Politics is nation-building. Like
> you have good design and bad design,
> there is good politics and bad politics. "This is politics" is a rhetoric
> invented
> by the opportunist politicians to weaken any opposing view. Now we all use
> it. Politics
> is the worstest, horriblest, nastiest word of today. If things don't
> change, things will only get worse.
>
> regards
> pravin mishra
> nid animation 98-02
> LIGHTz, Ahmedabad
>
> ________________________________
> From: Pankaj Sapkal <pankaj.sapkal@... <pankaj.sapkal%40gmail.com>>
> To: designindia@... <designindia%40yahoogroups.co.in>
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October, 2008 8:59:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [designindia] Re: after diwali fataka
>
> Very interesting and amusing exchange!
>
> And I must absolutely second Sudhir's statement to Prof. Nadkarni "...thank
> you for not becoming a politician.. .."
>
> It is one quality that has always impressed me about Prof. Nadkarni - his
> integrity and forthrightness of opinion. (Which also means, of course, that
> he is as brutally honest about himself as he is about anyone else).
>
> As his former student, I have often had the repeated pleasure of being at
> the receiving end of prof. Nadkarni's super-blunt opinions, and so I cannot
> help chuckling to myself when I see him abruptly bonking people on the head
> like a zen master!
>
> - Pankaj Sapkal
> ex-IDC
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Sudhir Sharma <sudhirelephant@ yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear Prof. Nadkarni,
> >
> > I accept your compliment and critisim both as the principal designer for
> > both. I am glad
> > that you have spoken your mind and i promise, i will learn from this.
> >
> > Since graduating from design school (19 years back) i do miss this
> academic
> > feedback to
> > work which we do very often. I am sure if we had more feedbacks from
> > professors as well
> > as practicing designers on projects which do either take the common
> > language of design
> > ahead or degress amongst designers..
> >
> > While ofcourse the work is being lauded as perhaps the best ever sports
> > 'Look program" by
> > many, and there is a book being prepared to celebrate this ( i would like
> > to interview you
> > for the book, perhaps the last page should belong to you), I also intend
> to
> > prepare a
> > detailed presentation which includes the positives and negatives of
> working
> > on project of
> > this dimension. I am sure in your long stint as designer,teacher,
> professor
> > you would by
> > now acknowledge the post-society. I do, as I see both sides of the coin
> and
> > perhaps as a
> > designer fielding this offence also have the knowledge of what is good
> for
> > the project and
> > in context.
> >
> > But perhaps what you missed is the common background, underlying logice
> and
> > style that
> > runs in the Pune identity and the Pictograms. Will send you a copy of the
> > book, which may
> > have these details for your further comments.
> >
> > I will be happy to do the one year sabbatical to study anything, as long
> as
> > you plan it for
> > me. But i am not ready to promise that i will not do any mistake in
> > future...that prof.
> > Nadkarni will be killing of a designer.
> >
> > But sincerely..thank you for not becoming a politician.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Sudhir Sharma
> > 1989 NID
> >
> > Elephant Strategy+Design
> >
> >
> > --- In designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups..
> co.in>,
> > sudhakar nadkarni <nadkarni36@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is the
> > "post-critical
> > society", In brief: a society in which there is nothing to criticize, in
> > which everything is
> > accepted without resistance
> > >
> > > This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st
> > conference at
> > Bangalore.
> > > Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to give
> > complements for
> > the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and the
> shape
> > of the coin
> > have a cultural connotation.
> > > Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you
> > have killed two
> > beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher's Munich Olympic
> > symbols, which
> > are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico,
> > and Osaka
> > Olympics had there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
> > symbols), and
> > secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art beauty. The result of
> > your intercourse
> > between Munich and warli is a bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I
> > think it is very
> > unethical and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> > > I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms.
> > > He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
> > pictograms and to
> > develop a sense of originality.
> > > And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this type
> > of crime.
> > >
> > > nadkarni
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
> http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Hi Ashish
Is there any site where one can see the pictograms and other identity items
being discussed here?

I have rarely heard such strong statement against any piece of design work.
Yes, we should be able to criticise and accept criticism in the right
spirit. And thanks to Sudhir & Ashish for their gracious acceptance to
criticism.

Having said that, I find the expression 'bastardize' an extreme ideological
statement borne out of the frozen puritan ethos of post war design which
everyone may not share. In design, as in other social sciences there can
never be one single way of doing things. There is no 'absolute' design
solution. Even work of greats like Otil Aicher or Milton Glaser look dated
and inapropriate in todays time. Therefore there is always this search for
doing newer things. That's why we need design. There exist enough 'perfect'
chairs, typefaces or bottle openers. That doesn't mean designers will desist
from trying newer ways of finding solutions. Design is the most dynamic
human activity and is ever changing – constantly imbibing people's changing
ethos and expressing it.

Therefore, my stand is why not?

We are always yearning towards finding our own design language. There is
always criticism that Indian graphic design is too westernised. In that
sense the idea of merging Warli folk art with functionalism of a signage
system is a welcome change. After all Warli is a folk art of Maharashtra
(known beyond its borders) and by incorporating it in a mega sports
event happening in a city in Maharashtra is very apt design strategy.

But I will not say anything further without seeing it. Maybe
in implementation it ddn't come through as expected.
I will closely follow and participate in this discussion which s
very timely: what is afterall Indian design?

Best regards

Sagarmoy Paul
NID-GD (1981-87)
THOUGHTSCAPE
New Delhi

------------------------


On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Ashish Deshpande <
ashishelephant@...> wrote:

>   Dear Prof. Nadkarni
>
> Thank you for bearing up with my presentation.
> Your critisism is most welcome.
>
> If you remember in my presentation I had said that with so many
> professors around at the conference I feel like I am back at design
> school and presenting to a jury.
>
> Designers do err like so many others and that to my mind is one way
> they grow. I am learning and would pass on your comments to the
> design team.
> I think the design team worked well taking inspirations and
> improvising. In my opinion definately not a crime but rather an
> experiment to do something. The team will definately learn from your
> rap on the knukles yet we would love it if you are able to talk to
> the team the subtle nuances of graphic design which must have got
> missed.
>
> Let us know when you are in Pune and the team would like to present
> the case so that you can critise in meaningful detail.
>
> Pleasure meeting you and do drop at Elephant whenever you are next in
> Pune.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ashish
>
> --- In designindia@... <designindia%40yahoogroups.co.in>,
> sudhakar nadkarni
> <nadkarni36@...> wrote:
> >
> > Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is
> the "post-critical society", In brief: a society in which there is
> nothing to criticize, in which everything is accepted without
> resistance
> >
> > This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design
> 1st conference at Bangalore.
> > Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to
> give complements for the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city.
> Type design and the shape of the coin have a cultural connotation.
> > Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that
> you have killed two beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl
> Aicher's Munich Olympic symbols, which are the best thing ever happen
> by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico, and Osaka Olympics had
> there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
> symbols), and secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art
> beauty. The result of your intercourse between Munich and warli is a
> bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I think it is very unethical
> and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> > I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC
> pictograms.
> > He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
> pictograms and to develop a sense of originality.
> > And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this
> type of crime.
> >
> > nadkarni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I beg to differ. prostitution is worse (even though it is the oldest known
profession)... no child wants to grow up to be a prostitute either... but you
wouldn't mind getting your son married to a politician's daughter or a
politician itself.
Yes, the scenario is mucky... not just because we don't vote, but because we
have accepted things the way they are... It's a difficult job to be a leader in
this nation and more difficult to sustain as one... a lot of filth has
infiltrated because currently our constitution supports the scenario the way it
is... we are waiting that some day the constitution will change... we waiting
that some day the scenario would change... as thinkers and writers, that's the
best thing we know to do... Wait... Crib and Discuss... If each one of us (the
intellectual bunch) begin to be politically active in our daily life, i don't
think that we would consider to be political a negative trait...
suddenly i feel i am no different than the bunch of people sitting at the pan
shop discussing serious matters...
Enough!


rajat nagpal
www.circusmotionpictures.com/






________________________________
From: pravin mishra <mishra_pravin@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 11:32:18 AM
Subject: [designindia] Politics is not a dirty word


Hi
Sorry to deviate from the context. There’s
no doubt that �politics’ is a dirty word today. With the repeated use of
this
terminology in this forum, it is obvious, that we are comfortable with this and
do
not want to change it.

I am yet to find a child who says I want to grow up to be a
politician. And the reason for that is not hard to find. Politics is a
profession like any other profession, and the politicians are entrusted with
the business of running the country. And it is a sorry state of affairs that in
India such an
important job is entrusted to people, many of whom are not even eligible for a
Class-II government job.

Unfortunately, politics
has replaced words like opportunism. A politician today means one who takes
advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for
principles or consequences. We all are to blamed for this. How many of the
educated professionals go out and vote? And how many people actually vote for
the best candidate, regardless of caste, creed or even party affiliation? How
many people will actually tell their children to grow up and join
politics?

Politics
is the science and the art of governance. Politics is nation-building. Like you
have good design and bad design,
there is good politics and bad politics. “This is politics” is a rhetoric
invented
by the opportunist politicians to weaken any opposing view. Now we all use it.
Politics
is the worstest, horriblest, nastiest word of today. If things don’t change,
things will only get worse.

regards
pravin mishra
nid animation 98-02
LIGHTz, Ahmedabad

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Pankaj Sapkal <pankaj.sapkal@ gmail.com>
To: designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in
Sent: Thursday, 30 October, 2008 8:59:47 PM
Subject: Re: [designindia] Re: after diwali fataka

Very interesting and amusing exchange!

And I must absolutely second Sudhir's statement to Prof. Nadkarni "...thank
you for not becoming a politician.. .."

It is one quality that has always impressed me about Prof. Nadkarni - his
integrity and forthrightness of opinion. (Which also means, of course, that
he is as brutally honest about himself as he is about anyone else).

As his former student, I have often had the repeated pleasure of being at
the receiving end of prof. Nadkarni's super-blunt opinions, and so I cannot
help chuckling to myself when I see him abruptly bonking people on the head
like a zen master!

- Pankaj Sapkal
ex-IDC

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Sudhir Sharma <sudhirelephant@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>   Dear Prof. Nadkarni,
>
> I accept your compliment and critisim both as the principal designer for
> both. I am glad
> that you have spoken your mind and i promise, i will learn from this.
>
> Since graduating from design school (19 years back) i do miss this academic
> feedback to
> work which we do very often. I am sure if we had more feedbacks from
> professors as well
> as practicing designers on projects which do either take the common
> language of design
> ahead or degress amongst designers..
>
> While ofcourse the work is being lauded as perhaps the best ever sports
> 'Look program" by
> many, and there is a book being prepared to celebrate this ( i would like
> to interview you
> for the book, perhaps the last page should belong to you), I also intend to
> prepare a
> detailed presentation which includes the positives and negatives of working
> on project of
> this dimension. I am sure in your long stint as designer,teacher, professor
> you would by
> now acknowledge the post-society. I do, as I see both sides of the coin and
> perhaps as a
> designer fielding this offence also have the knowledge of what is good for
> the project and
> in context.
>
> But perhaps what you missed is the common background, underlying logice and
> style that
> runs in the Pune identity and the Pictograms. Will send you a copy of the
> book, which may
> have these details for your further comments.
>
> I will be happy to do the one year sabbatical to study anything, as long as
> you plan it for
> me. But i am not ready to promise that i will not do any mistake in
> future...that prof.
> Nadkarni will be killing of a designer.
>
> But sincerely..thank you for not becoming a politician.
>
> regards
>
> Sudhir Sharma
> 1989 NID
>
> Elephant Strategy+Design
>
>
> --- In designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups. . co.in>,
> sudhakar nadkarni <nadkarni36@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is the
> "post-critical
> society", In brief: a society in which there is nothing to criticize, in
> which everything is
> accepted without resistance
> >
> > This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st
> conference at
> Bangalore.
> > Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to give
> complements for
> the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and the shape
> of the coin
> have a cultural connotation.
> > Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you
> have killed two
> beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher's Munich Olympic
> symbols, which
> are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico,
> and Osaka
> Olympics had there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
> symbols), and
> secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art beauty. The result of
> your intercourse
> between Munich and warli is a bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I
> think it is very
> unethical and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> > I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms.
> > He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
> pictograms and to
> develop a sense of originality.
> > And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this type
> of crime.
> >
> > nadkarni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Hi
Sorry to deviate from the context. There’s
no doubt that �politics’ is a dirty word today. With the repeated use of
this
terminology in this forum, it is obvious, that we are comfortable with this and
do
not want to change it.

I am yet to find a child who says I want to grow up to be a
politician. And the reason for that is not hard to find. Politics is a
profession like any other profession, and the politicians are entrusted with
the business of running the country. And it is a sorry state of affairs that in
India such an
important job is entrusted to people, many of whom are not even eligible for a
Class-II government job.

Unfortunately, politics
has replaced words like opportunism. A politician today means one who takes
advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for
principles or consequences. We all are to blamed for this. How many of the
educated professionals go out and vote? And how many people actually vote for
the best candidate, regardless of caste, creed or even party affiliation? How
many people will actually tell their children to grow up and join
politics?

Politics
is the science and the art of governance. Politics is nation-building. Like you
have good design and bad design,
there is good politics and bad politics. “This is politics” is a rhetoric
invented
by the opportunist politicians to weaken any opposing view. Now we all use it.
Politics
is the worstest, horriblest, nastiest word of today. If things don’t change,
things will only get worse.

regards
pravin mishra
nid animation 98-02
LIGHTz, Ahmedabad




________________________________
From: Pankaj Sapkal <pankaj.sapkal@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Thursday, 30 October, 2008 8:59:47 PM
Subject: Re: [designindia] Re: after diwali fataka


Very interesting and amusing exchange!

And I must absolutely second Sudhir's statement to Prof. Nadkarni "...thank
you for not becoming a politician.. .."

It is one quality that has always impressed me about Prof. Nadkarni - his
integrity and forthrightness of opinion. (Which also means, of course, that
he is as brutally honest about himself as he is about anyone else).

As his former student, I have often had the repeated pleasure of being at
the receiving end of prof. Nadkarni's super-blunt opinions, and so I cannot
help chuckling to myself when I see him abruptly bonking people on the head
like a zen master!

- Pankaj Sapkal
ex-IDC

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Sudhir Sharma <sudhirelephant@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>   Dear Prof. Nadkarni,
>
> I accept your compliment and critisim both as the principal designer for
> both. I am glad
> that you have spoken your mind and i promise, i will learn from this.
>
> Since graduating from design school (19 years back) i do miss this academic
> feedback to
> work which we do very often. I am sure if we had more feedbacks from
> professors as well
> as practicing designers on projects which do either take the common
> language of design
> ahead or degress amongst designers..
>
> While ofcourse the work is being lauded as perhaps the best ever sports
> 'Look program" by
> many, and there is a book being prepared to celebrate this ( i would like
> to interview you
> for the book, perhaps the last page should belong to you), I also intend to
> prepare a
> detailed presentation which includes the positives and negatives of working
> on project of
> this dimension. I am sure in your long stint as designer,teacher, professor
> you would by
> now acknowledge the post-society. I do, as I see both sides of the coin and
> perhaps as a
> designer fielding this offence also have the knowledge of what is good for
> the project and
> in context.
>
> But perhaps what you missed is the common background, underlying logice and
> style that
> runs in the Pune identity and the Pictograms. Will send you a copy of the
> book, which may
> have these details for your further comments.
>
> I will be happy to do the one year sabbatical to study anything, as long as
> you plan it for
> me. But i am not ready to promise that i will not do any mistake in
> future...that prof.
> Nadkarni will be killing of a designer.
>
> But sincerely..thank you for not becoming a politician.
>
> regards
>
> Sudhir Sharma
> 1989 NID
>
> Elephant Strategy+Design
>
>
> --- In designindia@ yahoogroups. co.in <designindia% 40yahoogroups.. co.in>,
> sudhakar nadkarni <nadkarni36@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is the
> "post-critical
> society", In brief: a society in which there is nothing to criticize, in
> which everything is
> accepted without resistance
> >
> > This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st
> conference at
> Bangalore.
> > Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to give
> complements for
> the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and the shape
> of the coin
> have a cultural connotation.
> > Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you
> have killed two
> beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher's Munich Olympic
> symbols, which
> are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico,
> and Osaka
> Olympics had there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
> symbols), and
> secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art beauty. The result of
> your intercourse
> between Munich and warli is a bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I
> think it is very
> unethical and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> > I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms.
> > He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
> pictograms and to
> develop a sense of originality.
> > And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this type
> of crime.
> >
> > nadkarni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

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Dear Prof. Nadkarni

Thank you for bearing up with my presentation.
Your critisism is most welcome.

If you remember in my presentation I had said that with so many
professors around at the conference I feel like I am back at design
school and presenting to a jury.

Designers do err like so many others and that to my mind is one way
they grow. I am learning and would pass on your comments to the
design team.
I think the design team worked well taking inspirations and
improvising. In my opinion definately not a crime but rather an
experiment to do something. The team will definately learn from your
rap on the knukles yet we would love it if you are able to talk to
the team the subtle nuances of graphic design  which must have got
missed.

Let us know when you are in Pune and the team would like to present
the case so that you can critise in meaningful detail.

Pleasure meeting you and do drop at Elephant whenever you are next in
Pune.

Cheers

Ashish




--- In designindia@..., sudhakar nadkarni
<nadkarni36@...> wrote:
>
> Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is
the "post-critical society", In brief: a society in which there is
nothing to criticize, in which everything is accepted without
resistance
>
> This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design
1st conference at Bangalore.
> Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to
give complements for the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city.
Type design and the shape of the coin have a cultural connotation.
> Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that
you have killed two beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl
Aicher's Munich Olympic symbols, which are the best thing ever happen
by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico, and Osaka Olympics had
there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
symbols), and secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art
beauty. The result of your intercourse between Munich and warli is a
bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I think it is very unethical
and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC
pictograms.
> He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
pictograms and to develop a sense of originality.
> And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this
type of crime.
>
> nadkarni
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Very interesting and amusing exchange!

And I must absolutely second Sudhir's statement to Prof. Nadkarni "...thank
you for not becoming a politician...."

It is one quality that has always impressed me about Prof. Nadkarni - his
integrity and forthrightness of opinion. (Which also means, of course, that
he is as brutally honest about himself as he is about anyone else).

As his former student, I have often had the repeated pleasure of being at
the receiving end of prof. Nadkarni's super-blunt opinions, and so I cannot
help chuckling to myself when I see him abruptly bonking people on the head
like a zen master!

- Pankaj Sapkal
ex-IDC


On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Sudhir Sharma <sudhirelephant@...>wrote:

>   Dear Prof. Nadkarni,
>
> I accept your compliment and critisim both as the principal designer for
> both. I am glad
> that you have spoken your mind and i promise, i will learn from this.
>
> Since graduating from design school (19 years back) i do miss this academic
> feedback to
> work which we do very often. I am sure if we had more feedbacks from
> professors as well
> as practicing designers on projects which do either take the common
> language of design
> ahead or degress amongst designers.
>
> While ofcourse the work is being lauded as perhaps the best ever sports
> 'Look program" by
> many, and there is a book being prepared to celebrate this ( i would like
> to interview you
> for the book, perhaps the last page should belong to you), I also intend to
> prepare a
> detailed presentation which includes the positives and negatives of working
> on project of
> this dimension. I am sure in your long stint as designer,teacher, professor
> you would by
> now acknowledge the post-society. I do, as I see both sides of the coin and
> perhaps as a
> designer fielding this offence also have the knowledge of what is good for
> the project and
> in context.
>
> But perhaps what you missed is the common background, underlying logice and
> style that
> runs in the Pune identity and the Pictograms. Will send you a copy of the
> book, which may
> have these details for your further comments.
>
> I will be happy to do the one year sabbatical to study anything, as long as
> you plan it for
> me. But i am not ready to promise that i will not do any mistake in
> future...that prof.
> Nadkarni will be killing of a designer.
>
> But sincerely..thank you for not becoming a politician.
>
> regards
>
> Sudhir Sharma
> 1989 NID
>
> Elephant Strategy+Design
>
>
> --- In designindia@... <designindia%40yahoogroups.co.in>,
> sudhakar nadkarni <nadkarni36@...> wrote:
> >
> > Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is the
> "post-critical
> society", In brief: a society in which there is nothing to criticize, in
> which everything is
> accepted without resistance
> >
> > This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st
> conference at
> Bangalore.
> > Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to give
> complements for
> the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and the shape
> of the coin
> have a cultural connotation.
> > Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you
> have killed two
> beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher's Munich Olympic
> symbols, which
> are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico,
> and Osaka
> Olympics had there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
> symbols), and
> secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art beauty. The result of
> your intercourse
> between Munich and warli is a bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I
> think it is very
> unethical and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> > I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms.
> > He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of
> pictograms and to
> develop a sense of originality.
> > And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this type
> of crime.
> >
> > nadkarni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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hey
great stuff man! it's original.. like all your previous collections.
i like the name 'knot for you' ..it speaks!
keep it up anuj!

pravin mishra
nid animation 98-02
LIGHTz, Ahmedabad




________________________________
From: anuj sharma <anuj_sharma90@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Thursday, 30 October, 2008 1:55:14 PM
Subject: [designindia] my work link



hi everyone
I am posting link for my latest collection for lakme spring summer 09 show.
Please let me know your views and comments.

The collection is called knot for you. It is made using simple knots and
explores some ways of using it on fabric. The collection is made using
rectangular piece of fabric with minimal stitching and no cuts.

http://picasaweb. google.com/ anujsharma. nid/LakmeSpringS ummer09#

thanks you for your time.
regards
anuj sharma
AEP Apparel Design NID 1996
MA Sportswear UK 2002










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Dear Prof. Nadkarni,

I accept your compliment and critisim both as the principal designer for both. I
am glad
that you have spoken your mind and i promise, i will learn from this.

Since graduating from design school (19 years back) i do miss this academic
feedback to
work which we do very often. I am sure if we had more feedbacks from professors
as well
as practicing designers on projects which do either take the common language of
design
ahead or degress amongst designers.

While ofcourse the work is being lauded as perhaps the best ever sports 'Look
program" by
many, and there is a book being prepared to celebrate this ( i would like to
interview you
for the book, perhaps the last page should belong to you), I also intend to
prepare a
detailed presentation which includes the positives and negatives of working on
project of
this dimension. I am sure in your long stint as designer,teacher, professor you
would by
now acknowledge the post-society. I do, as I see both sides of the coin and
perhaps as a
designer fielding this offence also have the knowledge of what is good for the
project and
in context.

But perhaps what you missed is the common background, underlying logice and
style that
runs in the Pune identity and the Pictograms. Will send you a copy of the book,
which may
have these details for your further comments.

I will be happy to do the one year sabbatical to study anything, as long as you
plan it for
me. But i am not ready to promise that i will not do any mistake in
future...that prof.
Nadkarni will be killing of a designer.

But sincerely..thank you for not becoming a politician.

regards

Sudhir Sharma
1989 NID

Elephant Strategy+Design




--- In designindia@..., sudhakar nadkarni <nadkarni36@...> wrote:
>
> Among the numerous "post-societies" that are formed today there is the
"post-critical
society", In brief: a society in which there is nothing to criticize, in which
everything is
accepted without resistance
>
> This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st
conference at
Bangalore.
> Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to give
complements for
the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and the shape of
the coin
have a cultural connotation.
> Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you have
killed two
beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher's Munich Olympic
symbols, which
are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer (ofcourse Mexico, and
Osaka
Olympics had there own cultural flavor and without any refuge from Munich
symbols), and
secondly you have killed warli paintings folk art beauty. The result of your
intercourse
between Munich and warli is a bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I think
it is very
unethical and should be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
> I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms.
> He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of pictograms
and to
develop a sense of originality.
> And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this type of
crime.
>
> nadkarni
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Among the numerous “post-societies” that are formed today there is the
“post-critical society”, In brief: a society in which there is nothing to
criticize, in which everything is accepted without resistance

This is in response to Ashish Deshpande's presentation at design 1st conference
at Bangalore.
Congratulations ashish for your great presentation. I also like to give
complements for the logo you (elephant) have designed Pune city. Type design and
the shape of the coin have a cultural connotation.
Regarding the pictograms designed for CYG, i am sorry to say that you have
killed two beutiful birds in one stone. You have killed Otl Aicher’s Munich
Olympic symbols, which are the best thing ever happen by any graphic designer
(ofcourse Mexico, and Osaka Olympics had there own cultural flavor and without
any refuge from Munich symbols), and secondly you have killed warli paintings
folk art beauty. The result of your intercourse between Munich and warli is a
bastardized version, which is obnoxious. I think it is very unethical and should
be immediately withdrawn form father circulation.
I propose following punishment to the designer of the CYC pictograms.
He should be given a one-year sabbatical leave to study design of pictograms and
to develop a sense of originality.
And secondly a promise from him that he will never indulge in this type of
crime.

nadkarni






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hi everyone
I am posting link for my latest collection for lakme spring summer 09 show.
Please let me know your views and comments.

The collection is called knot for you. It is made using simple knots and
explores some ways of using it on fabric. The collection is made using
rectangular piece of fabric with minimal stitching and no cuts.

http://picasaweb.google.com/anujsharma.nid/LakmeSpringSummer09#

thanks you for your time.
regards
anuj sharma
AEP Apparel Design NID 1996
MA Sportswear UK 2002






















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Hi friends,
Kindly take note of some *important upcoming dates* (marked in *bold*) for
Design Incubator's Weekend Workshops on User Experience Design, Winter 2008
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Facility and Infrastructure support for this workshop is provided by MphasiS
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Hi Everyone,

What is Difference between UI Standards and Design standards

Regards

Rakesh

first of all one needs to show some sensitivity for using typefaces and
fonts!!!!

  Riddhi Shah Mody
FrankfurterAllee 21
10247 Berlin

mo: +49 17660890125




________________________________
From: dns dinesh <dns123_in@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:52:03 AM
Subject: [designindia] suggestions



Dear Members

National Center for Textile design is maintaing his website http://designdiary.
nic.in
which is giving the relevant informations regrdings designs, thems and trend and
color forecast. The objective of the website is to provide information to
manugacturing organisations, byers, students and designers. The site was
developed 5 yrs back and needs relook with the changed technology and objective.
I inted to make this site very exhastive and useful. My idea is that weaving
organistaions/ cooperative socities who r remotely loctaed are making the
tradtional designs and colors which r prevelant in that area thus limiting thier
marketing capability. They can get informations and designs from the website.
Simlary buying house/ exporters can use the desgins for their busines/exports
and can directly contact the weaving organisations.
For designers/students this site should act as repository of designs.

I request all the members to go thro/visit the site and give their valuable
suggestions for modifying the website and what information should be put inthe
website so that it fulfills its ultimate requirement and becomes worldclass
site.

dinesh singh
additional development commissioner( handlooms)
office of development commissioner( handlooms)
Udyog Bhawan ,New Delhi
Min of Textiles
Govt of India
thanx and take care

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Dear Members
 
National Center for Textile design is maintaing his website
http://designdiary.nic.in
which is giving the relevant informations regrdings designs, thems and trend and
color forecast. The objective of the website is to provide information to
manugacturing organisations, byers, students and designers. The site was
developed 5 yrs back and needs relook with the changed technology and objective.
I inted to make this site very exhastive and useful. My idea is that weaving
organistaions/cooperative socities who r remotely loctaed are making the
tradtional designs and colors which r prevelant in that area thus limiting thier
marketing capability. They can get informations and designs from the website.
Simlary buying house/ exporters can use the desgins for their busines/exports
and can directly contact the weaving organisations.
For designers/students this site should act as repository of designs.
 
I request all the members to go thro/visit the site and give their valuable
suggestions for modifying the website and what information should be put inthe
website so that it fulfills its ultimate requirement and becomes worldclass
site.
 
dinesh singh
additional development commissioner(handlooms)
office of development commissioner(handlooms)
Udyog Bhawan ,New Delhi
Min of Textiles
Govt of India
thanx and take care




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Dear Designindia Members,
 
According to my little experience and observations, Design in India did not get
much attention relatively. While other creative division like handicrafts making
global foray still design sector is trying to find its feet. Design is just an
incidental activity and informal economy, Design not identified as a strategic
tool in Indian scenario.  
 
One of the main hindered factors is “Lack of communication with government or
business associations from designers and design community.
 
As an individual you would like to change scenario?
You would like to fill the gaps between designers and government?
 
Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) has been actively involved in promotion
of Design in the country. One of the recent initiatives taken up by CII on
Design is the compilation of an India Design Report. 
 
The objectives of India design report is

To describe the Indian design business
To know the core competence of the design houses and design schools
To promote the mutual interest of the design community
To assess mutually beneficial creative business collaboration opportunities
To elaborate design infrastructure and design ecology
To identify design zones or cluster mapping
To showcase of India design potential and make design alliances
To develop and share knowledge of design
 
The first comprehensive report on India design sector will create a clear
picture of design industry strengths and potentials. The design report will
analyze the design sector magnitude and characteristics. And it also gives
innumerable insights to design promotion in the country.
 
I believe that India Design Report is a domain centric and collective voice of
Indian designers.
 
As an individual you can change the scenario, you can fill the strategic gaps
and contribute to promotion of design business in India by sending filled up
questionnaire to seema.gupta@... / rajakumar.kanajam@...
 
You can download the questionnaire from the “Designindia” files section or
E-mail to rajakumar.kanajam@...
 
We look forward to receive Designindia’s 2000+ member valuable information.
 
Thank you so much for your support.
 
Regards
Rajakumar
Product Design, Uni. Coventry-06 (MSRSAS)
Design Management from Uni. Salford
 




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Dear All,

Someone I know is looking for an illustrator for a series of Children's
books.
She would like the illustrations to be hand done and not computer generated.

If anyone is interested, do mail me back with your contact details at:
njeyasingh@...

Thank you.

Regards,

Natasha Jeyasingh
LAD NID 2005
Interior Stylist
Chennai

--
"wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are"


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Dear Mr Jha,
Thanks for your encouraging letter to us. I wish more and more people should
join our social movements and contribute their ideas, articles etc to make this
movement a dynamic
With regards
Dr. Sunil Bhatia

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, anand jha <jha.anand@...> wrote:

From: anand jha <jha.anand@...>
Subject: Re: [designindia] October 2008 Vol-3 No-10 Newsletter of Design For All
Institute of India
To: designindia@..., dr_subha@...
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:01 AM

Dear Dr. Bhatia and others at Design for all team

       your october newsletter issue was amazing. its rarely that one
comes across something as comprehensive as this . Thanks for making
this newsletter accessable to us through your webspace. i only wish if
indian companies and manufacturers
could see design as a possibilitizer for creating more livable
communities than just a cosmatic precursor to engineering.for a big
chunk of
western world inclusive design seems to be getting its deserving space
because more and more people are slipping into a senior age bracket.
the post industrial post modern west has moved towards sensitive
technologies, inclusion not just in terms of empowerment
of non tech users but also open source and free trade movements which
have brought a lot of third world citizens in this loop. We here
at india are happy denouncing our creative local economic setup ,
choosing machines and complexity over craftmanship and simplicity and
putting ourselves in the bracket of fluctuating and insecure so called
developed nations .
i just hope that current economic meltdown provokes discussions on
seeing long term  where ideas , institutions, products and people are
looked beyond their ability of  being assembly lined and consumed.

thanks again

anand
IDDC-05 07


On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Dr. Sunil Bhatia <dr_subha@...>
wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> It is a great moment for Design For All Institute of India that
> world's most respected and regarded institute Royal College of Art/
> Helen Hamlyn Centre, London has collaborated with us for our special
> issue of October 2008 newsletter. The notice of publication is in
> front of your computer and the newsletter can be downloaded from our
> website www.designforall.in or click the following link
>
> http://www.designforall.in/newsletter_Oct2008.pdf
>
> The content of October 2008 Vol-3, No-10
>
> 1.
>
> Chairman's
Desk…………………………………………………2
>
> 2.
>
> Editorial of Director Prof Jeremy Myerson
>
> And Mr. Rama Gheerawo……………………………………….20
>
> 3.
>
> About us Helen Hamyln Centre.......……………………….27
>
> 4.
>
> Living Proof Case Studies…………………………………….40
>
> 5.
>
> Living Independently –Inspirational Kitchen
>
> And Bathroom Design for Older People;………………….101
>
> 6.
>
> Packaging for people – user-centred innovation……..127
>
> 7.
>
> "Designing with users, how?"
>
> Investigate users involvement tactics for effective
>
> inclusive design processes……………………………………142
>
> 8.
>
> The Welcoming Workplace:
>
> Meeting the challenges of office design for older
>
> knowledge workers ……………………………………………173
>
> Other regular features
>
> We have moderate success and many improvements are required to re-
> shape for the actual impacts of the newsletter for our social
> movement of Design For All/Universal Design. We welcome your
> suggestions.
> This e- newsletter is free and you can forward this newsletter to
> the concern persons for their reference. If you intimate their e-
> mail to us, we shall gladly enroll them in our database.
> Those who are interested in print version they can send their
> request to dr_subha@...
> With regards
> Dr. Sunil Bhatia
> Design For All Institute Of India
> Dr_subha@...
>
>



--
anand jha
industrial designer
general motors technical centre india
itpb bangalore
www.withanand.blogspot.com:9886038116

------------------------------------



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Dear Dr. Bhatia and others at Design for all team

       your october newsletter issue was amazing. its rarely that one
comes across something as comprehensive as this . Thanks for making
this newsletter accessable to us through your webspace. i only wish if
indian companies and manufacturers
could see design as a possibilitizer for creating more livable
communities than just a cosmatic precursor to engineering.for a big
chunk of
western world inclusive design seems to be getting its deserving space
because more and more people are slipping into a senior age bracket.
the post industrial post modern west has moved towards sensitive
technologies, inclusion not just in terms of empowerment
of non tech users but also open source and free trade movements which
have brought a lot of third world citizens in this loop. We here
at india are happy denouncing our creative local economic setup ,
choosing machines and complexity over craftmanship and simplicity and
putting ourselves in the bracket of fluctuating and insecure so called
developed nations .
i just hope that current economic meltdown provokes discussions on
seeing long term  where ideas , institutions, products and people are
looked beyond their ability of  being assembly lined and consumed.

thanks again

anand
IDDC-05 07


On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Dr. Sunil Bhatia <dr_subha@...> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> It is a great moment for Design For All Institute of India that
> world's most respected and regarded institute Royal College of Art/
> Helen Hamlyn Centre, London has collaborated with us for our special
> issue of October 2008 newsletter. The notice of publication is in
> front of your computer and the newsletter can be downloaded from our
> website www.designforall.in or click the following link
>
> http://www.designforall.in/newsletter_Oct2008.pdf
>
> The content of October 2008 Vol-3, No-10
>
> 1.
>
> Chairman's Desk…………………………………………………2
>
> 2.
>
> Editorial of Director Prof Jeremy Myerson
>
> And Mr. Rama Gheerawo……………………………………….20
>
> 3.
>
> About us Helen Hamyln Centre.......……………………….27
>
> 4.
>
> Living Proof Case Studies…………………………………….40
>
> 5.
>
> Living Independently –Inspirational Kitchen
>
> And Bathroom Design for Older People;………………….101
>
> 6.
>
> Packaging for people – user-centred innovation……..127
>
> 7.
>
> "Designing with users, how?"
>
> Investigate users involvement tactics for effective
>
> inclusive design processes……………………………………142
>
> 8.
>
> The Welcoming Workplace:
>
> Meeting the challenges of office design for older
>
> knowledge workers ……………………………………………173
>
> Other regular features
>
> We have moderate success and many improvements are required to re-
> shape for the actual impacts of the newsletter for our social
> movement of Design For All/Universal Design. We welcome your
> suggestions.
> This e- newsletter is free and you can forward this newsletter to
> the concern persons for their reference. If you intimate their e-
> mail to us, we shall gladly enroll them in our database.
> Those who are interested in print version they can send their
> request to dr_subha@...
> With regards
> Dr. Sunil Bhatia
> Design For All Institute Of India
> Dr_subha@...
>
>



--
anand jha
industrial designer
general motors technical centre india
itpb bangalore
www.withanand.blogspot.com:9886038116

Happy Diwali  to all  :)
 
 
 




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