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hi arvind,

sounds very interesting, why not mail it on the group itself!!!

I am hoping/ waiting,  we will greaduate to worry about the
professional world one day.

regards
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--- In designindia@..., srinivasarao pattur
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> Dear Arvind,
> I am shall be happy to learn few things from your
> teaching experience.
> Will you please send me the document.
> Thank you
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> --- Arvind Lodaya <emailarvind@h...> wrote:
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> > Dear all:
> > I've been following the debate on grading with
> > great interest, especially since Srishti works with
> > a very different paradigm, and I'm trying to
> > understand its strengths and weaknesses. I hope
> > this debate continues to build, and that at some
> > point I feel capable enough to contribute.
> > Meanwhile, I've written a somewhat rough and
> > facetious paper on my experiences in education -
> > namely what *I* have learnt from the *students* as
> > a teacher - something I've found not many teachers
> > willing to acknowledge, leave alone commit to
> > print. In a "Reader's Digest" sort of style, I've
> > attempted to instrospect and jot down ten
> > significant things that my students have opened my
> > eyes to - that I was literally blind to before I
> > entered serious teaching.
> > If you're interested, do email me and I'll send you
> > a copy. Perhaps we could compare notes?
> > Best wishes for the new year,
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Dear Arvind,
I am shall be happy to learn few things from your
teaching experience.
Will you please send me the document.
Thank you
Vasu
1992 AEPEP PD NID

--- Arvind Lodaya <emailarvind@...> wrote:

> Dear all:
> I've been following the debate on grading with
> great interest, especially since Srishti works with
> a very different paradigm, and I'm trying to
> understand its strengths and weaknesses. I hope
> this debate continues to build, and that at some
> point I feel capable enough to contribute.
> Meanwhile, I've written a somewhat rough and
> facetious paper on my experiences in education -
> namely what *I* have learnt from the *students* as
> a teacher - something I've found not many teachers
> willing to acknowledge, leave alone commit to
> print. In a "Reader's Digest" sort of style, I've
> attempted to instrospect and jot down ten
> significant things that my students have opened my
> eyes to - that I was literally blind to before I
> entered serious teaching.
> If you're interested, do email me and I'll send you
> a copy. Perhaps we could compare notes?
> Best wishes for the new year,
> Arvind Lodaya
> work | personal




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happy new year to the entire group !!!

hope this year brings each of you all the projects/travel/work/love/meaning/happiness you desire...
all the best for 2005
regards
Upasana

Some interesting points and perspectives coming in on this thread -
Jacob, Sridhar, Deepa and George have really broadened the
discussion nicely.

Transparency in evaluation: This, of course, is a big one, and
as Sridhar says, some sort of systemisation of evaluation in
a professional environment certainly assists transparency.
Incidentally, even industrial designers working with Tata
Motors or Tata Technologies are subject to, er, GRADING, as are
all their fellow professionals, and the grading system used is,
naturally, directly linked to renumeration scales. This works
rather well even for us unruly and vociferous designers
though we did have to provide some actice "assistance" in making
the system work for us. Of course, the point is that designers,
or at least those of us who work as employees in large
organisations, will end up facing a grading system eventually
anyway. And that too, one which is likely to be operated by
(shudder) non-designers. The best way forward then is to ensure
that the system is something one can trust and respond
enthusiastically to.

Also, students may do well to note that employment does inspire a
not-so-subtle shift in priorities and a major broadening of
what we, within the protective walls of an institution, may have
thought of as design "integrity".

I am not so concerned about a grading system at NID for the sake
of grading per se. I just wonder about how well it works, how
effectively it prepares students for a professional life, how
it qualitatively raises standards across the board so that the
human resource output of NID can significantly raise the
design standards of our country (and I believe NID has done a lot
to bring this about, cynics notwithstanding - think about how
large this nation is and how well NID alumni have kept up with
the tectonic shifts that "globalisation" brought about in its
industrial mileu). I don't believe that anyone here holds the
erstwhile qualitative evaluation system as "perfect". Even
then, a significant amount of potential talent "fell between
the cracks", as it no doubt does today too. As I mentioned in
previous posts, it is not enough to look at the evaluation system
in isolation, without a deep analysis of the teaching methodologies,
the content of courses, the progression of skill-set teaching and
finally - a collective understanding and articulation of "the NID
way" as Ranjan described it.

Not easy, now that I think of it.

Hope to hear more on this.

-Jayant S-

I am sorry, that was not the intent. Perhaps it
surfaced that way because of the fact that we plan to
visit Ahmedabad for the convocation and on an
assumptions that we would be able to meet a lot of NID
alumni as well. But in reality we are looking for
people from all over - from different schools
including NIFT (for some softer aspects of design).
For both employment and consulting.

Please ignore the typo error. We are looking at
position in following areas;

1. Industrial Design

2. Interface/Graphics & colours (Discipline not a
constraint PD or any other)

Please get in touch with me on 9810147695 or mail me
at sushant_jena@...


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> why only NIDians??
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> Sushant Jena <sushant_jena@...> wrote:Hi,
>
> Whirlpool Consumer Design Team is looking to expand.
> We are interested in meeting with NID graduates with
> a
> couple of years experience in following areas;
>
> 1. Industrial Design
>
> 2. Interface/Graphics & colours (Discipline not a
> constraint PD or any other)
>
> During the upcoming convocation. We plan to be on
> campus starting 10am on Jan 5th for the rest of the
> day till the Convocation event. Please contact me on
> 09810147695. Or mail me at
> sushant_jena@...
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Deepa, I assume what you found supportive in the jury system was its
transparency, its spontaneity and maybe lack of agenda on part of the
jury members. Transparency is the operating word. Events all around us
from the recent past point towards 'systems and procedures' that
reinforce transparency. In US the Sarbannes Oxley act, and so on are
indicators of such regulations to ensure transparency. This is because
a few established and stable companies were unethical in their
intentions and dealings. A taken for granted peer based audit system
which is in place world wide was abused by a few for personal benefit.
Another example. Of late, large organizations such as GE (including my
employer, Infosys) use performance grading systems. As per this
system, everyone is appraised and then at the end ranked relatively.
It is mandatory to have a certain percentage at the bottom (however
ridiculous it sounds!). There is a lot of apprehension among employees
about such a system. Appraisal systems worked fine till now and they
were in a 'jury format', so people ask why the change now.
Organizations worldwide are increasingly going in for such grading to
ensure sincerity of purpose and transparency. The decision makers and
strategists call the resistance the pain of change and insist that a
grading based system is more reliable, more dependable and importantly
less likely to be hijacked by someone's agenda or politicking. The
events that have led to regulation and 'systemizing' things are
perhaps a loss in faith in human goodness and sincerity. My comments
here are not really to support the grading system, but to indicate
what it seems to me, a 'trend' around us. Nobody really wants to be
measured and graded and sieved in what is apparently impersonal.
My personal experience with the jury system at NID is - it worked for
me since I had imposed faith in the jury members and their
assessments. I could have tea at the gate and chat as friends with
these jury members. But when I faced them at the jury I submitted
myself to critical evaluation which contributed to my learning,
ultimately. It is my faith in the faculty that helped with this
system. Not that we didn't crib about how some juries went or how
certain jury members handled the assessment. That was expected. It was
an intensely natural thing, quite human. I believe a grading system
becomes relevant when these values are compromised and faith is lost.
Perhaps, a grading system that ensures transparency and avoids
pitfalls typical of such systems might be a solution for such
circumstances. This points to Ranjan's earlier message on values and
their erosion (30 dec). Maybe the alternative to grading is in what
Ranjan asked - "Do we know what is it that we value as the NID
way?"...as something that can be passed on through the institution as
a vehicle, for generations.
A caveat: Note that my observations are personal views and are limited
to drawing on trends from an industry sector that is in the midst of
aggresive growth, and what is viewed as an increasingly commoditized
industry. I guess that is not so true of NID, as yet.

Regards,

Sridhar Dhulipala


On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:54:55 -0800 (PST), Deepa Rathnam Nirmal
<deeparnirmal@...> wrote:
>
> Great points, Georgie. I too was lucky to be part of
> the messy education!
>
> I have been following the grading discussion with
> interest. Truthfully, if I had been graded in
> Foundation, my self-esteem would have been completely
> destroyed and I would probably have dropped out.
> That's the truth. I wasn't a straight A when compared
> to my classmates. The jury system with all its flaws
> was what saved me and made me measure my progress
> against myself. It helped me look back at pre-dip and
> think what a long way I had come. And truly I had.
>
> If NID wants to 'fit in' with the rest of the world,
> why not change that diploma to a degree. That would be
> far more constructive, IMO. Not that any of this ever
> prevented anybody from going abroad for further
> education, or just plain succeeding. As has been said
> over and over again, it's the portfolio, the
> experience, the originality and the confidence that
> counts, not the grade.
>
> Deepa
>
> Deepa Rathnam Nirmal
> Senior VP, Creative Services
> Visum Inc.
> 651.487.1465
>
>
> --- icarusindia <icarusindia@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi, my name is George Mathews , passed out in '93
> > and since then have
> > been running Icarus Design in Bangalore.
> > Read some of Ranjan's mail's, Jayant's, Rashmi's and
> > was inspired to
> > contribute something.
> > I feel the issue is not so much to do with grading
> > or not grading.
> > Looking at what is happening in NID this is just one
> > more way in
> > which we begin to talk industry language and make
> > the NID programme
> > more acceptable to the outside world, It is just a
> > method to
> > facilitate a third party evaluation in a situation
> > where the third
> > party is not expected to know anything about Design.
> > In that sense it
> > is in line with all the other developments in NID
> > today. In my
> > opinion there is very little that one can do about
> > this whatever may
> > be one's own view about it.
> >
> > What is being lost in the process is something else,
> > what is being
> > lost is the slim but infinitely more precious
> > possibility that it
> > would actually be possible to give people an
> > education which is not
> > completely being defined by what anyone thinks
> > industry is currently
> > about, what is being lost is the idea that the
> > "designer" is not a
> > pre-defined entity well developed to fit into neat
> > industry holes,
> > what is being lost is the possibility that people
> > can become
> > sensitized in four to five years time after which it
> > would become
> > possible for them to pretty much operate wherever
> > they wished,
> > Industry defined designer being one of them.
> >
> > I cannot help but think that the education of this
> > person, sometimes
> > called a designer is what Ray and Charles had in
> > mind and i think the
> > critical value, which allowed the messiness of NID
> > to be tolerated.
> > It is also what we currently mourn.
> >
> > This is also precisely why it is so difficult to
> > define, but not
> > difficult to recognize.
> >
> > So what needs to be done? I think NID has started
> > walking the path
> > where sooner or later it is going to end up being,
> > let me use a harsh
> > word, a polytechnic, and there may be precious
> > little to do about it.
> >
> > Before that happens, maybe on this very website it
> > would perhaps be
> > possible to capture in someway, this idea of
> > education which happened
> > through the practice of Design and which perhaps can
> > be rebuilt
> > somewhere else. There are so many here who can
> > contribute but the
> > contributions probably need a focus.
> >
> > I do not believe that just because NID seems to be
> > giving up on this
> > goal that the need will cease to exist in society.
> > Indeed  Srishti I
> > think is already taking steps in this direction.
> >
> > With lots of affection to all of us who were
> > fortunate enough to at
> > least feel the tail end of
> > this messy education …George Mathews
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----

From: prkumar

To: designindia@...

Cc: prkumar@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:37 PM

Subject: [designindia]

Hi,

 

This is my introductory mail to the members of designindia.  I am

head of department of a comparatively new Design Programme which was

started in July 2002 at IIT Kanpur.  Students join us for M des degree in two

specializations- Product Design and Visual Communication Design.

 

My academic credentials are in mechanical engineering with B. Tech.

(IIT Kanpur), M.S. (University of California) and Ph D (Brown University). 

However, Design principles were taught to me by my boss when I worked as

a design engineer for a firm in Los Angles after taking my masters’ degree. 

I was deeply involved with him in the design of air bridges which are

flexible walk tunnels between an airport building and a parked aeroplane. 

My boss also taught me the importance of the cost of a product.  In fact,

we made the products so inexpensive that for several decades no body could

compete with him.

 

I have been teaching at IIT Kanpur for the last 27 years and have been

enjoying working with design projects of students from various backgrounds,

engineering, physics, mathematics humanities, etc.

 

I will be sharing my views with you which may be quite different

because of my background.  However, I feel that variety is the essence of

design.

 

Before starting the Design Programme at IIT Kanpur, three of us

visited eight international design institutions, two in Italy, one in Netherland,

one in Paris, three in USA, and one in Japan.  Our realization was that these

days engineering departments are shrinking and design education is on the

rise.  For example, the entire workshop space of engineering at Technical

University, Delft, Holland has been transferred to Design Department where

more than four hundred design students earn their design degrees every year. 

Kyushu Institute of Design, Fukoka, graduate more than 300 undergraduate

and 100 postgraduate every year.  The thesis is that for the progress of a

country a large number of designers are needed.  May be, NID took the clue

and started expanding its base.  I understand, that the stepped up activities

with modified procedure is causing a concern among NID graduates.  The

form of a product also depends on the volume. 

 

Two new design institutions are being set up on national level in

Jabalpur and Kanchipuram.  IIT Kanpur is helping in setting up the Jabalpur

institution.  In Jabalpur, they are trying hard to take first batch of design

students in July 2005.

 

To play an important role in designing products processes, India may

soon be following China which opened about 250 design departments in the

last 5 years.

 

 

Prashant Kumar
Head, Design Programme &
Professor, Mechanical Engineering

IIT Kanpur-208016

Tel: 91-512-2597048/2596617/3818371(O)
Fax: 91-512-2596617/2590007

 

 

Great points, Georgie. I too was lucky to be part of
the messy education!

I have been following the grading discussion with
interest. Truthfully, if I had been graded in
Foundation, my self-esteem would have been completely
destroyed and I would probably have dropped out.
That's the truth. I wasn't a straight A when compared
to my classmates. The jury system with all its flaws
was what saved me and made me measure my progress
against myself. It helped me look back at pre-dip and
think what a long way I had come. And truly I had.

If NID wants to 'fit in' with the rest of the world,
why not change that diploma to a degree. That would be
far more constructive, IMO. Not that any of this ever
prevented anybody from going abroad for further
education, or just plain succeeding. As has been said
over and over again, it's the portfolio, the
experience, the originality and the confidence that
counts, not the grade.

Deepa

Deepa Rathnam Nirmal
Senior VP, Creative Services
Visum Inc.
651.487.1465


--- icarusindia <icarusindia@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, my name is George Mathews , passed out in '93
> and since then have
> been running Icarus Design in Bangalore.
> Read some of Ranjan's mail's, Jayant's, Rashmi's and
> was inspired to
> contribute something.
> I feel the issue is not so much to do with grading
> or not grading.
> Looking at what is happening in NID this is just one
> more way in
> which we begin to talk industry language and make
> the NID programme
> more acceptable to the outside world, It is just a
> method to
> facilitate a third party evaluation in a situation
> where the third
> party is not expected to know anything about Design.
> In that sense it
> is in line with all the other developments in NID
> today. In my
> opinion there is very little that one can do about
> this whatever may
> be one's own view about it.
>
> What is being lost in the process is something else,
> what is being
> lost is the slim but infinitely more precious
> possibility that it
> would actually be possible to give people an
> education which is not
> completely being defined by what anyone thinks
> industry is currently
> about, what is being lost is the idea that the
> "designer" is not a
> pre-defined entity well developed to fit into neat
> industry holes,
> what is being lost is the possibility that people
> can become
> sensitized in four to five years time after which it
> would become
> possible for them to pretty much operate wherever
> they wished,
> Industry defined designer being one of them.
>
> I cannot help but think that the education of this
> person, sometimes
> called a designer is what Ray and Charles had in
> mind and i think the
> critical value, which allowed the messiness of NID
> to be tolerated.
> It is also what we currently mourn.
>
> This is also precisely why it is so difficult to
> define, but not
> difficult to recognize.
>
> So what needs to be done? I think NID has started
> walking the path
> where sooner or later it is going to end up being,
> let me use a harsh
> word, a polytechnic, and there may be precious
> little to do about it.
>
> Before that happens, maybe on this very website it
> would perhaps be
> possible to capture in someway, this idea of
> education which happened
> through the practice of Design and which perhaps can
> be rebuilt
> somewhere else. There are so many here who can
> contribute but the
> contributions probably need a focus.
>
> I do not believe that just because NID seems to be
> giving up on this
> goal that the need will cease to exist in society.
> Indeed  Srishti I
> think is already taking steps in this direction.
>
> With lots of affection to all of us who were
> fortunate enough to at
> least feel the tail end of
> this messy education …George Mathews
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Hi, my name is George Mathews , passed out in '93 and since then have
been running Icarus Design in Bangalore.
Read some of Ranjan's mail's, Jayant's, Rashmi's and was inspired to
contribute something.
I feel the issue is not so much to do with grading or not grading.
Looking at what is happening in NID this is just one more way in
which we begin to talk industry language and make the NID programme
more acceptable to the outside world, It is just a method to
facilitate a third party evaluation in a situation where the third
party is not expected to know anything about Design. In that sense it
is in line with all the other developments in NID today. In my
opinion there is very little that one can do about this whatever may
be one's own view about it.

What is being lost in the process is something else, what is being
lost is the slim but infinitely more precious possibility that it
would actually be possible to give people an education which is not
completely being defined by what anyone thinks industry is currently
about, what is being lost is the idea that the "designer" is not a
pre-defined entity well developed to fit into neat industry holes,
what is being lost is the possibility that people can become
sensitized in four to five years time after which it would become
possible for them to pretty much operate wherever they wished,
Industry defined designer being one of them.

I cannot help but think that the education of this person, sometimes
called a designer is what Ray and Charles had in mind and i think the
critical value, which allowed the messiness of NID to be tolerated.
It is also what we currently mourn.

This is also precisely why it is so difficult to define, but not
difficult to recognize.

So what needs to be done? I think NID has started walking the path
where sooner or later it is going to end up being, let me use a harsh
word, a polytechnic, and there may be precious little to do about it.

Before that happens, maybe on this very website it would perhaps be
possible to capture in someway, this idea of education which happened
through the practice of Design and which perhaps can be rebuilt
somewhere else. There are so many here who can contribute but the
contributions probably need a focus.

I do not believe that just because NID seems to be giving up on this
goal that the need will cease to exist in society. Indeed  Srishti I
think is already taking steps in this direction.

With lots of affection to all of us who were fortunate enough to at
least feel the tail end of
this messy education …George Mathews

Hi,

Whirlpool Consumer Design Team is looking to expand.
We are interested in meeting with NID graduates with a
couple of years experience in following areas;

1. Industrial Design

2. Interface/Graphics & colours (Discipline not a
constraint PD or any other)

During the upcoming convocation. We plan to be on
campus starting 10am on Jan 5th for the rest of the
day till the Convocation event. Please contact me on
09810147695. Or mail me at sushant_jena@...

I am rushing this mail in, later will draft in a
detailed profile for both the openings

Warm regards

Sushant



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YASU Technologies will be @NID for Interface 2005 to meet students and
graduating professionals. We are looking for talented usability
students and professionals.

Venue: NID Auditorium
Date & Time: Friday 7th Jan 2005, 3.00 to 3:20 PM

We will be on campus full day on 7th as well as 8th of January to
interact with students.

Typically, you will be required to work on improving the usability of
our products. This will involve:
* Understanding users and usage scenarios (contextual inquiry,
usability testing, persona building, creating scenarios, analysis of
user feedback, etc.)
* Designing Navigational Structures
* Task and Detailed Design
* Formative and Summative usability testing (typically low cost)

You must also a good "aesthetic sense," and what to look out for and
what all to take care of while designing interactive systems. You
would be required to conduct comparative case studies between
competitive products, interact with our technical members, business
group, and outside consultants.

Visit our corporate website http://www.yasutech.com for more
information. Our salaries are extremely competitive. Interested?
Please send your resumes to aroy@... . We will take it up
from there.

About YASU
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flagship product is QuickRules, a business rules engine with over 80
customers who are leading players globally in areas like insurance,
banking and finance. Our product QuickRules was identified as a
visionary product by Gartner Magic Quadrant 2003 and we have also won
the best product award from HYSEA in 2004. YASU has been ranked among
the 500 fastest growing technology companies in the Asia-Pacific
region by Deloitte & Touche.

One of our strengths has been our people. We have some of the finest
people around. Our people are mostly from IITs, NID, and RECs. We are
a young and vibrant company and our customers are mostly in US,
Europe, and Asia-Pacific.

dear sumit!
greetings!
thanks for such a wonderful effort to prepare a
directory of NID alumni. but the contact addresses
(recent)are not there which is the main drawback in
this and all other dirctories exists. so if you can
have a provision of putting all the present contact
add. and ph. nos. that will be the USP of your
directory.
it was a suggestion...
bye..
sourendu das

--- Sumit Dey <anotherdey@...> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> Following link will direct you to a small tool that
> would help this
> community to communicate better... an Online Alumni
> Directory with
> smart search that can fetch you a result when you
> are not too sure of
> a name or surname spelling. E.g. my name is often
> spelled as Sumit,
> Sumeet, Sumith!!!
>
> http://i.1asphost.com/sdey/alumni/
>
> To login, use your name/surname (as mentioned in
> NID's
> certificate)
>
> Username: name[dot]surname[underscore]gradYear (e.g
> sumit.dey_1993,
> no caps)
> Password: gradYear  (e.g. 1993)
>
>
> This is my personal project that's been hosted on a
> free server,
> hence if you face any problem please inform
> me(anotherdey@yahoo[dot]
> com). The database currently includes all designers
> who have
> graduated till 2003, i.e total 966 Alumni (Name,
> Discipline and Year
> of Graduation).
>
> Please treat this as a prototype only and would be
> glad to have your
> comments on further improvements and directions.
> Works fine with IE
> 5.0+ and Netscape 7.2(Windows) but not tested on
> Mac.
>
> Wishing you all a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
>
> Hope the New Year brings this Community more closer.
>
> Regards
> Sumit
>
>
>
>
>




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Some time back, while in US, I watched a documentary by a well-known
New York Times Journalist, Thomas Friedman on Outsourcing to India.

Instead of the usual India bashing, he presented an interesting
perspective on the Outsourcing. How is it effecting Indian culture,
and how the it benefits both ways (and also topics like Outsourcing
reducing terrorism).

Amongst lot of people he interviewed (Premji, Nilekani) he interviewed
an animation and gaming company in Bangalore.

The spin the animation company had on this issue was like this...

They recruit people (although generalised) people who comes from
families traditionally rooted in sculpture and tanjore paintings... So
the animation film (on Bal-Krishna) takes it's inspiration from
traditional Indian art. It's taking it to next levels.

The voice overs are done by actors from Hollywood (given the potential
international appeal of Bal - Krishna, amongst kids).

Similarly, the gaming industry though outsourced it's work to India
stands to benefit from the sales of these games (especially by rising
middle classes) in countries where middle class has increased buying
powers due to out-sourcing.

You can catch a glimpse of this hour long documentary at

http://www.nytimes.com/videopages/2004/05/26/opinion/20040526_INDIA_VIDEO.html?oref=login


(Biography- http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/FRIEDMAN-BIO.html)

Regards
Anshuman
Consultant (User Experience)
MindTree Consulting



On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:51:13 +0530, Sridhar Dhulipala <s.dhuli@...> wrote:
>
> Prasun and others, just in case you haven't already seen this, check
> out - "Animation India 2005 from Jan. 12 to 13". For the report go to
> - http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/006200412290311.htm
>
> Regards,
>
> Sridhar Dhulipala

Hi
  I am Jacob Mathew, and I have been following the group ever since Sudhir
introduced me to it about a month back.
I am a product design graduate from NID year of joining 1979.
I am a partner at Tessaract Design Bangalore and have been working largely in
retail  interiors for the twenty odd years we have had Tessaract for...

We  have a number of  NID grads working with us and we hope to have a few more
joining us this year. I continue to hire people on the basis of their portfolio
and experience and doubt if I would find grades very useful.I think the
nature of grades might make students pick on projects that might showcase their
existing skills rather than encourage true exploration and learning and maybe
bring in that element of swotting that design education has thankfully been
without so far.
Competition and benchmarking are two sides of the same coin and are an integral
part of the world of commercial success and I think that should be an integral
part of design education.

Regards
and Happy New Year everyone

Jacob

designindia@... wrote:

> hi,
>
> welcome to design india egroup. I am sudhir sharma and i moderate this group.
> I was in NID during 1983-1989 time and then started elephant design with four
other graduates.
>
> It will be very nice if u can post a brief introduction of yr self on the
group as yr first message. Where are u, what are u doing, where did u study and
any issues u may want to disscuss. this will help others and friends to know
that u are there and to know u.
>
> Also chk out pictures, update yr address in database phonebook as well as take
part in Polls. You have a choice of not recieving mails in yr mailbox and chk
them online...if u need any help on this count let me know.
>
> the membership to this group is through invitation only...only u can invite yr
friend, or whomever u think worthy of being on a professional designers group.
DO send me a mail if you want someone to be invited on the group.
>
> thank you once again and keep posting messages.
>
> regards
> sudhir sharma
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Happy new year 2005!!

Have fun
servo

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with the Service Tax dept. Please check in the Files section.

Warm regards.
Dinesh Korjan

Get up be counted, Have you casted your Vote?

Visit POLL section of the this yahoo egroup regularily and put in your opinion,
It is surprising ho many of us think of design profession and what it really
is...

You are welcome to debate those issues, but your vote can tilt the poll...

So be there...sign of leadership is that they are always there.....

lets remove some myths from our profession...POLL...and often.

regards
PS: you need a yahoo id for polling. In case you do not want yahoo id...just
mail in your opinion.

hi,

welcome to design india egroup. I am sudhir sharma and i moderate this group.
I was in NID during 1983-1989 time and then started elephant design with four
other graduates.

It will be very nice if u can post a brief introduction of yr self on the group
as yr first message. Where are u, what are u doing, where did u study and any
issues u may want to disscuss. this will help others and friends to know that u
are there and to know u.

Also chk out pictures, update yr address in database phonebook as well as take
part in Polls. You have a choice of not recieving mails in yr mailbox and chk
them online...if u need any help on this count let me know.

the membership to this group is through invitation only...only u can invite yr
friend, or whomever u think worthy of being on a professional designers group.
DO send me a mail if you want someone to be invited on the group.

thank you once again and keep posting messages.

regards
sudhir sharma

Hello everyone

Wishing you all a very Happy & a prosperous 2005

regards
Ramneek

Some time back, while in US, I watched a documentary by a well-known
New York Times Journalist, Thomas Friedman on Outsourcing to India.

Instead of the usual India bashing, he presented an interesting
perspective on the Outsourcing. How is it effecting Indian culture,
and how the it benefits both ways (and also topics like Outsourcing
reducing terrorism).

Amongst lot of people he interviewed (Premji, Nilekani) he interviewed
an animation and gaming company in Bangalore.

The spin the animation company had on this issue was like this...

They recruit people (although generalised) people who comes from
families traditionally rooted in sculpture and tanjore paintings... So
the animation film (on Bal-Krishna) takes it's inspiration from
traditional Indian art. It's taking it to next levels.

The voice overs are done by actors from Hollywood (given the potential
international appeal of Bal - Krishna, amongst kids).

Similarly, the gaming industry though outsourced it's work to India
stands to benefit from the sales of these games (especially by rising
middle classes) in countries where middle class has increased buying
powers due to out-sourcing.

You can catch a glimpse of this hour long documentary at

http://www.nytimes.com/videopages/2004/05/26/opinion/20040526_INDIA_VIDEO.html?o\
ref=login


(Biography- http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/FRIEDMAN-BIO.html)

Regards
Anshuman
Consultant (User Experience)
MindTree Consulting



On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:51:13 +0530, Sridhar Dhulipala <s.dhuli@...> wrote:
>
> Prasun and others, just in case you haven't already seen this, check
> out - "Animation India 2005 from Jan. 12 to 13". For the report go to
> - http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/006200412290311.htm
>
> Regards,
>
> Sridhar Dhulipala