Dear Pankaj Sakpal,

Read your e-mail. My compliments! It brings in a
breath of freshness to the ongoing design discourse
which is revolving around 'a particular theme' for the
last several weeks. It's a good departure and relates
to a much wider issue concerning the designers and
non-designers alike.

"Exclusiveness", "Novelty", "Uniqueness" are some of
the metaphors which have gripped our social-psyche
(including design) so much that each individual now
wants to look different, feel different and behave
different. This relates to what you have mentioned as
'isolation'. Design is also cashing on it creating
more exclusiveness and thereby often to more
isolation. Nevertheless, to display all the
exclusiveness we use the public space! Isolationism
thus sheds its frustration eventually in the public
domain.

I think the social disconnection is contributing
homicidal isolationism of approach and action. I also
believe that the design and technology professions
will have to be equally sensitive to such issues and
trends. We design cell phones and the youngsters hook
on to it to keep in touch with the distant
acquaintances while the family and neighbourhood
remain ignored. We design vehicles, luxurious,
powerful and efficient and present them as "objects of
desire". They obsesses us so much with their
performance that many neo-rich brats forget they're
not meant for hitting and running over people. We make
films which show gory images and to accentuate the
horror design special effects ostensibly to entertain
us! Aren't our products and communication making
people more self obsessed and hence isolated?

9/11, Virginia-tech, the so-called Bollywood idol
notoriously running over  unprotected sleeping
humanity represent the similar sordid psyche marked
with social disconnect and isolation. I think the time
has come when design as a profession should come
forward and and clearly articulate what the future
design priorities should be; to design for desire or
to design the desirable? This has a bearing on your
concept of isolation. If we also discuss these issues
through this forum, it would be wonderful and more
relevant. Hope you appreciate.

My compliments again

Mihir Bholey
Communication & Media Relations Officer
NID, Ahmedabad



--- Pankaj Sapkal <pankaj.sapkal@...> wrote:

> Firstly, one must note that the concept of privacy
> is a western concept.
> Obviously, the concept of intruding on it is also
> fully western - a bipolar
> reaction to it. Privacy has simply become a
> euphemism for isolationism -
> this isolationism is precisely what leads to the
> virginia tech kind of
> massacres and suicidality. I do not believe that the
> human psyche functions
> so well in isolated situations as it does in
> situation of being connected
> with other humans.
> The western social paradigm is currently not fully
> able to distinguish
> between snooping (which is one way) and connecting
> (which is both ways).
> In a society where people are well connected to each
> other - either through
> social customs and traditional bonding mechanisms
> and communities (or
> thorough the latest virtual communities), isolation
> will disappear as a
> social phenomenon (some fringe individuals will
> always be there) and
> openness happens (which are not really identical
> with privacy and the giving
> up of privacy).
> There is an element of designing communities which
> will eventually happen
> (and which is beginning to happen to a certain
> extent), which leads to an
> emergent social consciousness where the concepts of
> privacy as isolation (
> and hence the intrusion of privacy) do not exist in
> a way that they are
> currently understood. (I believe that since Indians
> understand social
> paradigms and communities, Indian designers will be
> inherently good at
> community design and at creating social paradigms).
>
> As for countering snooping, wherever there is
> technology, there is
> counter-technology. So wherever it is important, one
> will be able to counter
> one-way snooping.
> Finally, one will stop countering monitoring because
> it will become too
> effort-consuming to counter it all the time from
> every direction. You will
> then only focus on protecting your financial
> information and perhaps the
> intimate aspects of life and not give a damn about
> other stuff.
> Frankly, apart from these two aspects, what else
> needs to be discrete? What
> else has needed to be discrete since thousands of
> years?
>
> Later,
> - Pankaj Sapkal
>
>
> On 4/30/07, Sagarmoy Paul <sagarpaul@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >   Dear Sandip
> >
> > I share your apprehensions and agree that it is
> sick and immoral to
> > pry on children. It is the age of voyeurs and
> peeping Toms.
> > See the high TRP ratings of so-called reality
> shows on tv. All of us
> > are guilty.
> >
> > George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty Four" took little
> longer to arrive
> > than expected. Instead of only "big brothers"
> watching us, it's now
> > everyone's game. In USA there are schools with
> realtime webcasting of
> > classrooms for parents to check their wards from
> time to time in
> > their lap tops or mobile phones. This business has
> cashed on in
> > people's insecurity post 9/11.
> >
> > Tomorrow the business will expand to work places
> (already has),
> > shops, bed rooms, travels. With blue tooth/wifi
> enabled web-cams
> > becoming commonplace, every one has the potential
> of becoming a James
> > Bond. There will no longer be a concept of privacy
> as we have known.
> >
> > The next big thing, which is almost here is GPS
> enabled mobile
> > phones. A teen-tracking GPS service is now
> available where a working
> > parent (or anybody) can define a "virtual-fence"
> around his ward's
> > school to home, for example, without his/her
> knowledge. If he/she
> > deviates from the "fence" the parent starts
> getting automatic SMSs
> > with geographic indicator of his/her current
> location. This way he
> > can keep spying on whoever he wants to. Its
> already here.
> >
> > In spite of all these, massacres in campuses
> happen, kidnappings
> > become daily occurrences.
> >
> > Sagarmoy Paul
> > NID (PEP-GD, 1981-87)
> > THOUGHTSCAPE
> > New Delhi
> >
> > -----------------------------------
> >
> >
> > On 30-Apr-07, at 2:40 PM, p.a.u.l wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Ravi,
> > >
> > > It was nice to see schools getting techno
> savvy...but the issue I
> > > raised was lost somewhere I feel.
> > >
> > > Techonology as aid to teaching is accepted and
> appreciated...but
> > > what about the issues/morals that are not in the
> curriculum but are
> > > still reflected in a person who has been through
> primary education?
> > >
> > > Why are schools only busy finishing up the
> syllabus?..and not
> > > focussing on over all growth of children?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Paul Sandip
> > > Industrial Sculptor
> > > 09899302457
> > >
> > >
> _________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Pudi Ravi Krishna <pudiravi@...
> <pudiravi%40gmail.com>> wrote: Hi
> > Paul,
> > > I had been to a school in Orissa this month.
> > > I was surprised to find closed circuit cameras
> there.
> > > They were installed by an MBA friend of mine who
> is the alumni of the
> > > school.
> > > It was his idea of taking the school forward.
> > >
> > > Over the past two years, he had initiated
> projects like
> > > 1. photo ID card for students
> > > 2. CCTV
> > > 3. IVRS for parents to check marks of their
> wards
> > > 4. Design of database system for student
> information
> > >
> > > His next agenda was SMS enabled information
> retrieval.
> > > When I protested vehemently that such
> interventions put undue pressure
> > > on the students, he dragged me along.
> > >
> > > Some photographs of the study:
> > > http://picasaweb.google.com/pudiravi/School
> > >
> > > The school now enjoys its enhanced reputation as
> being 'technology'
> > > savvy.
> > > Neighbouring schools have to compete on similar
> lines.
> > >
> > > When I questioned the absence of 'Technology' to
> aid teaching, the
> > > principal
> > >
> > > retorted that there was no time since they have
> to cover the
> > > curriculum.
> > > In the end I seem to conclude that business and
> technology have
> > > done what
> > > they believe is right. If the designer believes
> that it is not
> > > right, then
>
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sudhir


Dear Mr Sudhir & Designindia Members / AIDI Members / Alumni
Association Members / well-wishers,


Let me thank you all for taking the trouble and proactively
participating in the vigorous sessions at Pune, Bangalore, Delhi,
Mumbai, Ahmedabad etc. regarding the setting up of CSD and allied
matters of NDP.

This letter is to keep you all updated about the National Design
Policy imple! mentation. As you maybe aware, the National Design
Policy (NDP)  was approved by the Cabinet of Government of India on
8th February 2007 and the Department of Industrial Policy &
Promotion (DIPP) has to report back to the Cabinet regarding the
progress of the policy implementation within three months which
expires on 7th May 2007. It was in this context I had requested all
you to respond on different flagged points contained in the NDP. The
Implementation Committee which has representatives of Ministry of
Textiles, Ministry of HRD, CII etc. has also Prof L K Das from IIT,
Delhi  apart from me as Member-Secretary at this point with the
Joint Secretary, Department of Industrial Policy & Promotion (DIPP)
in Chair. This! committee has in detail   discussed in the last two
meetings held on 14th March and 26th April 2007 the action points
and a meeting is now fixed for 4th May 2007 for wrapping up the
current stage.

It is heartening to note that the design Community and allied
professionals have come together in large numbers in Pune,
Bangalore, Mumbai, Delhi & Ahmedabad and this is what is required.
Many are from NID and therefore on another note, may I request you
to go forward and set up NID Alumni Chapters in these cities
urgently. Shri Akhil Sahai (sahai@...  ) and Ms Sujitha Nair
(sujitha@...) from NID would coordinate the activities of the
chap! ters in case you would require any assistance. We are also
planning to bring out an "NID-alumni Bulletin" may be a bi-monthly
with inputs from all of you.

From some of the copies marked to me, I understand that there is
earnest desire for consolidating the design education, profession
and practice which have remained somewhat disparate the last 45
years of so. This is indeed a very good development. I have also
seen some of the recommendations which suggest a fear of Government.
It is important to be practical and note that most of the
organizations set up specifically for different professions have
come up with Government funding atleast in the formative years.
Keeping the autonomy and independence of such organizations is not a
function of the source of finance but a matter of principles,!
conscience and courage of those who manage the affiars. I have found
that it is with the support of the Government that large ideas can
take shape initially. I am not convinced at this stage that the
design community (If it was possible for the design community to set
up such a society and manage its growth without any Government
support, why has it not been done in the last 45 years or atleast
after economic liberalization began in the 1990s?) would be in a
position to set up the necessary infrastructure and scale up in
phases for either Chartered Society of Designers (CSD) or India
Design Council (IDC)  without Government support. I would be very
happy if I am proved wrong. It is very crucial that I get clear
recommendations so that the action paper on CSD can be articulated
in an appropriate manner in the next crucial meeting at Delhi.
The action paper of India Design Council is under preparation by the
CII and it will be examined by the Government appropriately.
Similarly the paper on education is being jointly prepared by Prof
LK Das , IIT, Delhi and Director NID so that it could be placed in
the appropriate context. You all are (the design community)
contributing to the development of the concept and charter of CSD.
In other words, each action paper is being prepared by its key
stakeholders. Once these action papers are ready the Ministry will
process and put it up for directions from the Competent authorities.
We plan to have a formal release of NDP and Action Plan towards the
end of May 2007 or beginning of June 2007.

There were questions as to why and how the interface of
communications are handled. My communication to the design community
in this context has been in my capacity as "Member-Secretary of the
NDP Implementation Committee" constituted by the Government and as
prime mover of this initiative over the last few years in a
sustained manner and I quote my statement in the early days as
Director of NID in the first issue of Design Plus, Vol. 1, March
2001 where I had said "NID wants to strengthen its new design
satellites to act as fountainheads of design movement and provide
inputs to Government for formulation of National Design Policy while
working closely with industry apex associations like CII to help
Indian industry to see design as a strategic tool to build
competitive advantage".  I have! stood by it althrough. I believe,
it is important to me to take your suggestions and communicate the
same to Government and keep in touch till something concrete takes
shape for the Design Community's benefit. I hope considering the
short time at our disposal the matter really needs to be wrapped up
in the next  1-2 days. I need to formalize the proposal to the
Government in this regard by 3rd May 2007 afternoon atleast to
present in the meeting on 4th May 2007 in Delhi at 11.30 a.m. I
cannot assure at this stage how things will play out. I am doing my
best. Please consolidate each meetings' outcomes and forward to
me /my office with Designindia's specific recommendations if any.

With kind regards & best wishes,

Dr Darlie Koshy
Director
National Institute of Design
Paldi, Ahmedabad 380 007
Tel:  0091 79 26605241
Fax: 0091 79 26605242
Cell: 0091 9898095555
E-mail: koshy@... / edoffice@...

Latika,

Thanks, I really appreciate response from such a senior person in the industry!

I strongly believe that the proposed design body must be a facilitator of design
in and from India and NOT a regulator. In the present scenario, we need an
association of design and related companies and not a regulatory body like TRAI.
We first need the platform for design and related companies to grow. Once there
is sufficient growth, then a need of regulator may arise. In my opinion, a
regulator will stifle high growth now. As the industry grows, there will be
automatic regulation (to an extant!).

This association of companies can be similar to NASSCOM or CII which can
influence and lobby in government bodies, other industry
associations, and build a critical mass for the recognition and propagation of
design in India and Indian design abroad. The proposed design body must only act
as a catalyst for the growth of design industry.

The role of a facilitator is of greater significance as it will facilitate
Indian design and related companies to become globally known and competitive.
The role is similar to what NASSCOM had about one and half decades ago when
software industry was not known.

Like NASSCOM, the facilitator must facilitate business, trade, and research in
design while influencing government and trade bodies to give industry status to
design, provide sufficient incentives, probably lower taxes, facilitate
partnerships, etc.

Regards,

Ripul Kumar

Kern Communications Pvt. Ltd.
http://www.kern-comm.com

NID PD 1991-96


----- Original Message ----
From: freedomtree <freedomtree@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:55:29 PM
Subject: RE: [designindia] 7 suggestions for the proposed design body













             Ripul,

All very valid and good points to have for the CSD as the umbrella and

parent body. So special bodies or groups under this could mentor new

designers/even us older ones/ give finacial advice /set up collaborative

projects etc etc.



thanks for the input.



Latika

NID ED 79-84





Latika Khosla CMG

Design Director

Freedom Tree Design

www.freedomtreedesign.com









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Hi Ripul

7. Network of design vendors

I totally agree with this point. Prototyping and Implementation is a
bottleneck in a lot of cases, coming in the way of realising design
concepts. That has a direct link on the credibility of design and
designers. An accrediting system which may be like a star system may
help a good vendor to reach out to other designers. In turn, the vendors
should get access to a directory of design houses so that it eases their
marketing efforts.

Regards
Manish Joshi
NID PD 1999
New Delhi

Firstly, one must note that the concept of privacy is a western concept.
Obviously, the concept of intruding on it is also fully western - a bipolar
reaction to it. Privacy has simply become a euphemism for isolationism -
this isolationism is precisely what leads to the virginia tech kind of
massacres and suicidality. I do not believe that the human psyche functions
so well in isolated situations as it does in situation of being connected
with other humans.
The western social paradigm is currently not fully able to distinguish
between snooping (which is one way) and connecting (which is both ways).
In a society where people are well connected to each other - either through
social customs and traditional bonding mechanisms and communities (or
thorough the latest virtual communities), isolation will disappear as a
social phenomenon (some fringe individuals will always be there) and
openness happens (which are not really identical with privacy and the giving
up of privacy).
There is an element of designing communities which will eventually happen
(and which is beginning to happen to a certain extent), which leads to an
emergent social consciousness where the concepts of privacy as isolation (
and hence the intrusion of privacy) do not exist in a way that they are
currently understood. (I believe that since Indians understand social
paradigms and communities, Indian designers will be inherently good at
community design and at creating social paradigms).

As for countering snooping, wherever there is technology, there is
counter-technology. So wherever it is important, one will be able to counter
one-way snooping.
Finally, one will stop countering monitoring because it will become too
effort-consuming to counter it all the time from every direction. You will
then only focus on protecting your financial information and perhaps the
intimate aspects of life and not give a damn about other stuff.
Frankly, apart from these two aspects, what else needs to be discrete? What
else has needed to be discrete since thousands of years?

Later,
- Pankaj Sapkal


On 4/30/07, Sagarmoy Paul <sagarpaul@...> wrote:
>
>   Dear Sandip
>
> I share your apprehensions and agree that it is sick and immoral to
> pry on children. It is the age of voyeurs and peeping Toms.
> See the high TRP ratings of so-called reality shows on tv. All of us
> are guilty.
>
> George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty Four" took little longer to arrive
> than expected. Instead of only "big brothers" watching us, it's now
> everyone's game. In USA there are schools with realtime webcasting of
> classrooms for parents to check their wards from time to time in
> their lap tops or mobile phones. This business has cashed on in
> people's insecurity post 9/11.
>
> Tomorrow the business will expand to work places (already has),
> shops, bed rooms, travels. With blue tooth/wifi enabled web-cams
> becoming commonplace, every one has the potential of becoming a James
> Bond. There will no longer be a concept of privacy as we have known.
>
> The next big thing, which is almost here is GPS enabled mobile
> phones. A teen-tracking GPS service is now available where a working
> parent (or anybody) can define a "virtual-fence" around his ward's
> school to home, for example, without his/her knowledge. If he/she
> deviates from the "fence" the parent starts getting automatic SMSs
> with geographic indicator of his/her current location. This way he
> can keep spying on whoever he wants to. Its already here.
>
> In spite of all these, massacres in campuses happen, kidnappings
> become daily occurrences.
>
> Sagarmoy Paul
> NID (PEP-GD, 1981-87)
> THOUGHTSCAPE
> New Delhi
>
> -----------------------------------
>
>
> On 30-Apr-07, at 2:40 PM, p.a.u.l wrote:
>
> > Dear Ravi,
> >
> > It was nice to see schools getting techno savvy...but the issue I
> > raised was lost somewhere I feel.
> >
> > Techonology as aid to teaching is accepted and appreciated...but
> > what about the issues/morals that are not in the curriculum but are
> > still reflected in a person who has been through primary education?
> >
> > Why are schools only busy finishing up the syllabus?..and not
> > focussing on over all growth of children?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Paul Sandip
> > Industrial Sculptor
> > 09899302457
> >
> > _________________________________________________
> >
> > Pudi Ravi Krishna <pudiravi@... <pudiravi%40gmail.com>> wrote: Hi
> Paul,
> > I had been to a school in Orissa this month.
> > I was surprised to find closed circuit cameras there.
> > They were installed by an MBA friend of mine who is the alumni of the
> > school.
> > It was his idea of taking the school forward.
> >
> > Over the past two years, he had initiated projects like
> > 1. photo ID card for students
> > 2. CCTV
> > 3. IVRS for parents to check marks of their wards
> > 4. Design of database system for student information
> >
> > His next agenda was SMS enabled information retrieval.
> > When I protested vehemently that such interventions put undue pressure
> > on the students, he dragged me along.
> >
> > Some photographs of the study:
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/pudiravi/School
> >
> > The school now enjoys its enhanced reputation as being 'technology'
> > savvy.
> > Neighbouring schools have to compete on similar lines.
> >
> > When I questioned the absence of 'Technology' to aid teaching, the
> > principal
> >
> > retorted that there was no time since they have to cover the
> > curriculum.
> > In the end I seem to conclude that business and technology have
> > done what
> > they believe is right. If the designer believes that it is not
> > right, then
> > he will need to adopt a more proactive role.
> >
> > More Gyan:
> > http://mistakesareok.blogspot.com
> >
> > warm regards
> > Pudi Ravi Krishna
> > Mumbai
> >
> > On 27/04/07, p.a.u.l
<dreamer_worldin@...<dreamer_worldin%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The other day I heard some one say that schools in Delhi would
> > now have
> > > CCTV all over, to monitor the activities of the students in schools.
> > >
> > > School is where we groom our future generations. Are we so much
> > in doubt
> > > with the credibility of our educational system, that we need to
> > pry on
> > > children too.
> > >
> > > Where is our society heading towards?
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul Sandip
> > > _______________
> > > Industrial Sculptor
> > > 0 98 99 302 457
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > warm regards
> > Pudi Ravi Krishna
> > Hyderabad
> > 09885194614
> >
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Dear Sandip

I share your apprehensions and agree that it is sick and immoral to
pry on children. It is the age of voyeurs and peeping Toms.
See the high TRP ratings of so-called reality shows on tv. All of us
are guilty.

George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty Four" took little longer to arrive
than expected. Instead of only "big brothers" watching us, it's now
everyone's game. In USA there are schools with realtime webcasting of
classrooms for parents to check their wards from time to time in
their lap tops or mobile phones. This business has cashed on in
people's insecurity post 9/11.

Tomorrow the business will expand to work places (already has),
shops, bed rooms, travels. With blue tooth/wifi enabled web-cams
becoming commonplace, every one has the potential of becoming a James
Bond. There will no longer be a concept of privacy as we have known.

The next big thing, which is almost here is GPS enabled mobile
phones.  A teen-tracking GPS service is now available where a working
parent (or anybody) can define a "virtual-fence" around his ward's
school to home, for example, without his/her knowledge. If he/she
deviates from the "fence" the parent starts getting automatic SMSs
with geographic indicator of his/her current location. This way he
can keep spying on whoever he wants to. Its already here.

In spite of all these,  massacres in campuses happen, kidnappings
become daily occurrences.



Sagarmoy Paul
NID (PEP-GD, 1981-87)
THOUGHTSCAPE
New Delhi

-----------------------------------


On 30-Apr-07, at 2:40 PM, p.a.u.l wrote:

> Dear Ravi,
>
> It was nice to see schools getting techno savvy...but the issue I
> raised was lost somewhere I feel.
>
> Techonology as aid to teaching is accepted and appreciated...but
> what about the issues/morals that are not in the curriculum but are
> still reflected in a person who has been through primary education?
>
> Why are schools only busy finishing up the syllabus?..and not
> focussing on over all growth of children?
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Sandip
> Industrial Sculptor
> 09899302457
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Pudi Ravi Krishna <pudiravi@...> wrote: Hi Paul,
> I had been to a school in Orissa this month.
> I was surprised to find closed circuit cameras there.
> They were installed by an MBA friend of mine who is the alumni of the
> school.
> It was his idea of taking the school forward.
>
> Over the past two years, he had initiated projects like
> 1. photo ID card for students
> 2. CCTV
> 3. IVRS for parents to check marks of their wards
> 4. Design of database system for student information
>
> His next agenda was SMS enabled information retrieval.
> When I protested vehemently that such interventions put undue pressure
> on the students, he dragged me along.
>
> Some photographs of the study:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/pudiravi/School
>
> The school now enjoys its enhanced reputation as being 'technology'
> savvy.
> Neighbouring schools have to compete on similar lines.
>
> When I questioned the absence of 'Technology' to aid teaching, the
> principal
>
> retorted that there was no time since they have to cover the
> curriculum.
> In the end I seem to conclude that business and technology have
> done what
> they believe is right. If the designer believes that it is not
> right, then
> he will need to adopt a more proactive role.
>
> More Gyan:
> http://mistakesareok.blogspot.com
>
> warm regards
> Pudi Ravi Krishna
> Mumbai
>
> On 27/04/07, p.a.u.l <dreamer_worldin@...> wrote:
> >
> > The other day I heard some one say that schools in Delhi would
> now have
> > CCTV all over, to monitor the activities of the students in schools.
> >
> > School is where we groom our future generations. Are we so much
> in doubt
> > with the credibility of our educational system, that we need to
> pry on
> > children too.
> >
> > Where is our society heading towards?
> >
> >
> > Paul Sandip
> > _______________
> > Industrial Sculptor
> > 0 98 99 302 457
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> warm regards
> Pudi Ravi Krishna
> Hyderabad
> 09885194614
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Ripul,
All very valid and good points to have for the CSD as the umbrella and
parent body. So special bodies or groups under this could mentor new
designers/even us older ones/ give finacial advice /set up collaborative
projects etc etc.

thanks for the input.

Latika
NID ED 79-84


Latika Khosla CMG
Design Director
Freedom Tree Design
www.freedomtreedesign.com


   _____

From: designindia@... [mailto:designindia@...]
On Behalf Of Ripul Kumar
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:34 PM
To: designindia@...
Subject: [designindia] 7 suggestions for the proposed design body



I would have loved to reach Pune, but could not. Here are my 7 suggestions
that the proposed design body can do.

1. Incubation of design entrepreneurs
Many prospective design entrepreneurs drop out of entrepreneurship due to
many reasons -- some of them include lack of capital, lack of adequate
infrastructure, etc. The proposed body must be able to identity and help
such entrepreneurs.

2. Funding for design entrepreneurs
One trouble that many mid-size design companies face is the lack of capital
to grow to become internationally competitive. Be it lack of capital to
hire, or buy equipment, or cash flow. Most banks do not extend working
capital loans to design companies without collaterals. Venture funds still
do not know about design entrepreneurship. So neither debt nor equity
financing is available as easily as to a software company. Can the proposed
design body facilitate dialog between the banks/VCs with deserving
entrepreneurs.

3. Mentoring of design entrepreneurs
Apart from incubation, there are a lot of start-up and growing-up troubles
for design entrepreneurs. The proposed body can set up and facilitate
regular mentoring camps (on the lines of TiE) for such people in
collaboration with successful design people and/or in collaboration with
professors of entrepreneurship of renowned institutes.

4. Consortia of design companies
Many successful design companies abroad (from India too!) are a part of
consortium of companies that work together for projects. Each
company/consultant bring specific skills to the project for it to be
successful. Also such consortium can do work with otherwise no single
company can execute successfully. The proposed design body must be
facilitator of such collaboration between design companies and allied
professionals. The proposed design body can also facilitate foreign and
Indian design companies together for collaboration.

Without a formal consortium, there are also opportunities for design
companies to collaborate with each other for projects. The proposed design
body may be able to facilitate such opportunities.

5. Collaboration between design companies and design institutes
Apart from other challenges, the design industry in India does not find
trained designers. Also, the collaboration between design companies and
institutes seems informal. Many design companies like ours would like to
collaborate with institutes for review and design of courses that benefit
the industry, teach specialized courses, collaborate with institutes for
research services, etc. The proposed design body can facilitate such
interaction and collaboration.

6. Scholarships/loans to deserving designers
There are many options available to deserving design students, moreover the
design body can offer scholarships or loans to deserving design students.
This will ensure that students can find better training options, better job
options; while design companies can find the right people who can be future
employees. The proposed design body can facilitate the scholarships and
loans.

7. Network of design vendors
Many of us use vendors for design related services. Some vendors are good
while others are not. The design body can facilitate a listing of such
vendors which can be socially certified by design companies and consultants
or certified by the body. This will immensely benefit design companies to be
globally competitive.

Cheers,
Ripul Kumar
Kern Communications Pvt. Ltd.
http://www.kern- <http://www.kern-comm.com> comm.com
NID PD 1991-96

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Hi Paul,

I must clarify that there is no intervention yet for aiding
teaching/learning.
The teaching aids that I saw were dusted maps.

The questions that you have posed can best be answered by Jinan.
I guess he is the one constantly raising these issues.

If teachers stress on syllabus, then the culprits are PARENTS.
They send their children to tuitions despite the principal's disapproval.

I asked one such parent as to why he didnt teach his son himself.
His reply was that he would earn more money in that time.
He would rather employ a teacher and pay him 600 per subject.

By the confession of the principal, there arent competent teachers
to question and reinvent learning methodlogies.

  You would be surprised that NCERT books are worse than state board books.
A recent attempt was the redesign of the Class IX history textbook.

*A new kind of history textbook
*http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/17/stories/2006041702711000.htm


  Thats as far as I have reached.

warm regards
Pudi
Mumbai


On 30/04/07, p.a.u.l <dreamer_worldin@...> wrote:

> Dear Ravi,
>
> It was nice to see schools getting techno savvy...but the issue I raised
> was lost somewhere I feel.
>
> Techonology as aid to teaching is accepted and appreciated...but what
> about the issues/morals that are not in the curriculum but are still
> reflected in a person who has been through primary education?
>
> Why are schools only busy finishing up the syllabus?..and not focussing on
> over all growth of children?
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Sandip
> Industrial Sculptor
> 09899302457
>
> _________________________________________________
>
>
> Pudi Ravi Krishna <pudiravi@... >
> wrote:                                  Hi Paul,
> I had been to a school in Orissa this month.
> I was surprised to find closed circuit cameras there.
> They were installed by an MBA friend of mine who is the alumni of the
> school.
> It was his idea of taking the school forward.
>
> Over the past two years, he had initiated projects like
> 1. photo ID card for students
> 2. CCTV
> 3. IVRS for parents to check marks of their wards
> 4. Design of database system for student information
>
> His next agenda was SMS enabled information retrieval.
> When I protested vehemently that such interventions put undue pressure
> on the students, he dragged me along.
>
> Some photographs of the study:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/pudiravi/School
>
> The school now enjoys its enhanced reputation as being 'technology' savvy.
>
> Neighbouring schools have to compete on similar lines.
>
> When I questioned the absence of 'Technology' to aid teaching, the
> principal
>
> retorted that there was no time since they have to cover the curriculum.
> In the end I seem to conclude that business and technology have done what
> they believe is right. If the designer believes that it is not right, then
> he will need to adopt a more proactive role.
>
> More Gyan:
> http://mistakesareok.blogspot.com
>
> warm regards
> Pudi Ravi Krishna
> Mumbai
>
> On 27/04/07, p.a.u.l <dreamer_worldin@... > wrote:
> >
> > The other day I heard some one say that schools in Delhi would now have
> > CCTV all over, to monitor the activities of the students in schools.
> >
> > School is where we groom our future generations. Are we so much in doubt
>
> > with the credibility of our educational system, that we need to pry on
> > children too.
> >
> > Where is our society heading towards?
> >
> >
> > Paul Sandip
> > _______________
> > Industrial Sculptor
> > 0 98 99 302 457
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> warm regards
> Pudi Ravi Krishna
> Hyderabad
> 09885194614
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
warm regards
Pudi Ravi Krishna
Hyderabad
09885194614


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Ravi,

It was nice to see schools getting techno savvy...but the issue I raised was
lost somewhere I feel.

Techonology as aid to teaching is accepted and appreciated...but what about the
issues/morals that are not in the curriculum but are still reflected in a person
who has been through primary education?

Why are schools only busy finishing up the syllabus?..and not focussing on over
all growth of children?

Regards,

Paul Sandip
Industrial Sculptor
09899302457

_________________________________________________


Pudi Ravi Krishna <pudiravi@...> wrote:                                 
Hi Paul,
  I had been to a school in Orissa this month.
  I was surprised to find closed circuit cameras there.
  They were installed by an MBA friend of mine who is the alumni of the
  school.
  It was his idea of taking the school forward.

  Over the past two years, he had initiated projects like
  1. photo ID card for students
  2. CCTV
  3. IVRS for parents to check marks of their wards
  4. Design of database system for student information

  His next agenda was SMS enabled information retrieval.
  When I protested vehemently that such interventions put undue pressure
  on the students, he dragged me along.

  Some photographs of the study:
  http://picasaweb.google.com/pudiravi/School

  The school now enjoys its enhanced reputation as being 'technology' savvy.
  Neighbouring schools have to compete on similar lines.

  When I questioned the absence of 'Technology' to aid teaching, the principal

  retorted that there was no time since they have to cover the curriculum.
  In the end I seem to conclude that business and technology have done what
  they believe is right. If the designer believes that it is not right, then
  he will need to adopt a more proactive role.

  More Gyan:
  http://mistakesareok.blogspot.com

  warm regards
  Pudi Ravi Krishna
  Mumbai

  On 27/04/07, p.a.u.l <dreamer_worldin@...> wrote:
  >
  > The other day I heard some one say that schools in Delhi would now have
  > CCTV all over, to monitor the activities of the students in schools.
  >
  > School is where we groom our future generations. Are we so much in doubt
  > with the credibility of our educational system, that we need to pry on
  > children too.
  >
  > Where is our society heading towards?
  >
  >
  > Paul Sandip
  > _______________
  > Industrial Sculptor
  > 0 98 99 302 457
  >
  >
  > ---------------------------------
  > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
  > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >
  >

  --
  warm regards
  Pudi Ravi Krishna
  Hyderabad
  09885194614

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






---------------------------------
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would have loved to reach Pune, but could not. Here are my 7 suggestions that
the proposed design body can do.

1. Incubation of design entrepreneurs
Many prospective design entrepreneurs drop out of entrepreneurship due to many
reasons -- some of them include lack of capital, lack of adequate
infrastructure, etc. The proposed body must be able to identity and help such
entrepreneurs.

2. Funding for design entrepreneurs
One trouble that many mid-size design companies face is the lack of capital to
grow to become internationally competitive. Be it lack of capital to hire, or
buy equipment, or cash flow. Most banks do not extend working capital loans to
design companies without collaterals. Venture funds still do not know about
design entrepreneurship. So neither debt nor equity financing is available as
easily as to a software company. Can the proposed design body facilitate dialog
between the banks/VCs with deserving entrepreneurs.

3. Mentoring of design entrepreneurs
Apart from incubation, there are a lot of start-up and growing-up troubles for
design entrepreneurs. The proposed body can set up and facilitate regular
mentoring camps (on the lines of TiE) for such people in collaboration with
successful design people and/or in collaboration with professors of
entrepreneurship of renowned institutes.

4. Consortia of design companies
Many successful design companies abroad (from India too!) are a part of
consortium of companies that work together for projects. Each company/consultant
bring specific skills to the project for it to be successful. Also such
consortium can do work with otherwise no single company can execute
successfully. The proposed design body must be facilitator of such collaboration
between design companies and allied professionals. The proposed design body can
also facilitate foreign and Indian design companies together for collaboration.

Without a formal consortium, there are also opportunities for design companies
to collaborate with each other for projects. The proposed design body may be
able to facilitate such opportunities.

5. Collaboration between design companies and design institutes
Apart from other challenges, the design industry in India does not find trained
designers. Also, the collaboration between design companies and institutes seems
informal. Many design companies like ours would like to collaborate with
institutes for review and design of courses that benefit the industry, teach
specialized courses, collaborate with institutes for research services, etc. The
proposed design body can facilitate such interaction and collaboration.

6. Scholarships/loans to deserving designers
There are many options available to deserving design students, moreover the
design body can offer scholarships or loans to deserving design students. This
will ensure that students can find better training options, better job options;
while design companies can find the right people who can be future employees.
The proposed design body can facilitate the scholarships and loans.

7. Network of design vendors
Many of us use vendors for design related services. Some vendors are good while
others are not. The design body can facilitate a listing of such vendors which
can be socially certified by design companies and consultants or certified by
the body. This will immensely benefit design companies to be globally
competitive.

Cheers,
Ripul Kumar
Kern Communications Pvt. Ltd.
http://www.kern-comm.com
NID PD 1991-96


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Hi Paul,
I had been to a school in Orissa this month.
I was surprised to find closed circuit cameras there.
They were installed by an MBA friend of mine who is the alumni of the
school.
It was his idea of taking the school forward.

Over the past two years, he had initiated projects like
1. photo ID card for students
2. CCTV
3. IVRS for parents to check marks of their wards
4. Design of database system for student information

His next agenda was SMS enabled information retrieval.
When I protested vehemently that such interventions put undue pressure
on the students, he dragged me along.

Some photographs of the study:
http://picasaweb.google.com/pudiravi/School

The school now enjoys its enhanced reputation as being 'technology' savvy.
Neighbouring schools have to compete on similar lines.

When I questioned the absence of 'Technology' to aid teaching, the principal

retorted that there was no time since they have to cover the curriculum.
In the end I seem to conclude that business and technology have done what
they believe is right. If the designer believes that it is not right, then
he will need to adopt a more proactive role.

More Gyan:
http://mistakesareok.blogspot.com


warm regards
Pudi Ravi Krishna
Mumbai

On 27/04/07, p.a.u.l <dreamer_worldin@...> wrote:
>
> The other day I heard some one say that schools in Delhi would now have
> CCTV all over, to monitor the activities of the students in schools.
>
> School is where we groom our future generations. Are we so much in doubt
> with the credibility of our educational system, that we need to pry on
> children too.
>
> Where is our society heading towards?
>
>
> Paul Sandip
> _______________
> Industrial Sculptor
> 0 98 99 302 457
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
warm regards
Pudi Ravi Krishna
Hyderabad
09885194614


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Dear Designers,

   Services of a graphic designer are required on retainership basis for an
upcoming
   E commerce portal. The portal is being developed as an online shopping site
aimed at NRIs in UK and US.
   The work is based out of New Delhi.

   Please send your resumes to saini_deepali2004@...

   Deepali Saini
   AEP PD 1999
   NID



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  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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sure u can still have it,


On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:48 PM, yunuskhimani@... wrote:

> Sorry friends.
>
> We couldn't have the meeting in Jaipur as no designer responded. I
> don't
> blame them as it demanded prompt respoinse and most wouldn't have been
> able to. But it isn't necessary that to have the meeting on 29th,
> we can
> have it anytime during the week. Do let me know if we could still
> have it.
>
> Yunus Khimani
> IICD, Jaipur
>
> > Hi we have 2 confirmations for Mumbai. Whew!
> >
> > Lalit Hira
> >
> > Payal Wadhwa
> >
> > Any other takers. We can also follow this online, if we have only 3
> > attendees in Mumbai.
> >
> > Also please write in with your preferred date and time! nelam has
> done an
> > excellent job putting down some thoughts, so please do write in
> and let us
> > just build on this and anything we can throw in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Latika Khosla CMG
> > Design Director
> > Freedom Tree Design
> > Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.
> > Mumbai 400018 INDIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Just to let the group know that we did meet in New Delhi with 12 Designers
in attendance:

1.      Jatin Bhatt
2.      Hari Nair
3.      Navin Pangti
4.      Kirti Oram
5.      Vijaybahu Joshi
6.      A. Balasubramoniam
7.      Sushant Jena
8.      Sumit Singh
9.      Anthony Lopez
10.     Chetan Sorab
11.     Chandraskehar Bheda
12.     Sagarmoy Paul

The group is currently reviewing the minutes before it will get published
as a consolidated document on the forum by Tuesday May 1st.

Best

Hari Nair
Director, Whirlpool Global Consumer Design Asia

GCD Asia Studio
C-21, Qutab Institutional Area
New Delhi 110016

Off: (91) 11 4168 9150
Mobile: (91) 92125 03576

Please note new telephone numbers

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Dear Mumbai meet Team,
Excellent work done...
Normal or not but result seems very good from outside perspective at least for
me...very well articulated and sincere effort....
I agree that CSD :  is a visionary body, offering good governance and best
practice.
-  CSD need not be.

CSD should not be a petty administrator/ munimji.

CSD should not offer any rating for designers or institutes.

CSD should not be a government body.

CSD Conscience
-
CSD should be the governing, and accrediting body for designers for India.

CSD governing body should not be 100 percent designers but industry leaders,

visionaries and educators and maybe even a peak performing sportsperson or a

journalist/anchor!
-
Prakash Unakal,Bangalore
IDC 89-91

"Intentions and Conviction make all the difference. Being mindful and attentive
to your inner state is key to making outward changes that matter and last.
Unconscious intentions become actions that, unchecked, become unhealthy habits
and Conviction are truth you have made yours"


----- Original Message ----
From: freedomtree <freedomtree@...>
To: designindia@...
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:18:20 PM
Subject: [designindia] Comment on NDP CSD MUMBAI













             Hi



The Mubai meet was  held at Freedom Tree Design studios in Worli.



Following the good Pune example we too had pencils sharpened and ready

(kidding), but a scrappy lunch.



Because you see we started at 10.30 and thought we would be over soon

enough. But the session continued thru until 7.30 pm. (Are we normal?) We

wrote and discussed a lot. Went thru everyones mails on the site, and write

ups compiled by those in session already as well as Design with India

comments by Ranjan and Sam Pitroda. We agree with much of what is said and

only write in with additional points of view.



I wholly thank all below for a stimulating day. In all this policing and

policing we swapped stories and remembered to have fun today!



Piyush Sharma, PD, NID 2005, Usability Specialist HFI



Suvodeep Das, PD, NID 2004, Usability Specialist HFI



Uttam Pal Singh, VC, NID 2004, UPSC Film and Animation



Deepti Pant FDP - Design management 2001, FTII Ralibha



Latika Khosla ED, NID 1984, Freedom Tree Design



Comment on NDP



1) NDP emphasizes more on the "hand" than the "mind" and "heart". It is

defining design as a tangible end product rather than PROCESS.



2) NDP as is leaves out the journey (process) and emphasizes on the

destination (product) whereas it is the journey which is the more enriching

and encompassing definition of design than the end product. NDP needs to

recognize that design of services and process design for organizations

whether that be for industry or social systems is also a DESIGN DELIVERABLE

rather than just a commodity.



3) Keeping this in mind, a broader definition thus helps us define who are

the 'designers' eligible for CSD. (For example, CSD should be open to

various disciplines of design: industrial designers, film makers, design

strategists, fashion designers, software designers. This may then pre-clude,

the tailors and the dtp technicians, as designers.)



One Body



1) Designers in India should have one single umbrella body, with separate

working committees to serve different interest groups.



CSD should be the governing, and accrediting body for designers for India.

CSD governing body should not be 100 percent designers but industry leaders,

visionaries and educators and maybe even a peak performing sportsperson or a

journalist/anchor!



2) Indians/designers are story tellers. We want to tell a little story here.



Guru Gobind Singhji, called upon 5 disciples to form the khalsa. After

anointing them, he in turn asked be made a disciple of the order by them.



This humility in the structure of the organization is what we expect of the

nature of CSD and its accredited institutions and members.



3) Membership to CSD should be limited to graduates/alumni of the accredited

design institutes. Professional working in design after suitable work

experience can apply for membership, which will be seconded and reviewed by

a panel.



Some indications for structure of CSD.



Under the aegis of CSD there may be various working committees. The Indian

Design Council should be one of bodies under the CSD.



Some responsibilities/ functions /working committees.



1) Accreditation: of design institutes, their curriculum, (etc as mentioned

by other groups.)



2) Lobby group: to give better breaks to the start up Indian design and

entrepreneurship and liaise with government on policy.



3) Marketing:  To be the final platform interface for industry/

international meets etc. 4) Mentoring programs: for CSD members. Design

planning tools.



5) Design Evangelist:  Mentors, evangelists, idols to spread design.



6) Communication: Open source. An open online dictionary and directory of

design.



Our language and formats should borrow not only from industry but from other

successful professions that have connected with the hearts of the Indians.

Movies, sports, NGO's. Like the English language that incorporated 'foreign

language' words the CSD online dictionary should define design terms and

processes in colloquial language.



Example,  is there a 'doosra' or 'googly' or a 'get well soon'(Gandhigiri)

in design?



7) Recognition: CSD to set standards for recognition.



What CSD need not be.



It is a visionary body, offering good governance and best practice.



CSD should not be a petty administrator/ munimji.



CSD should not offer any rating for designers or institutes.



CSD should not be a government body.



CSD Conscience



As we hurtle toward huge growth, a CSD working committee should help us

balance consumption and production and understand sustainable and ethical

consumption.



India is going into rapid overdrive regarding manufacturing and consumerism.

The WEALTH of economies is traditionally measured by amount of production

and consumption. Now we should measure it as WELL BEING of a society in

which PEOPLE LIVE BETTER CONSUMING LESS..



with regards to all,



Latika Khosla and Mumbai Designers



Latika Khosla CMG

Design Director

Freedom Tree Design

Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.

Mumbai 400018 INDIA



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Hi

The Mubai meet was  held at Freedom Tree Design studios in Worli.

Following the good Pune example we too had pencils sharpened and ready
(kidding), but a scrappy lunch.

Because you see we started at 10.30 and thought we would be over soon
enough. But the session continued thru until 7.30 pm. (Are we normal?) We
wrote and discussed a lot. Went thru everyones mails on the site, and write
ups compiled by those in session already as well as Design with India
comments by Ranjan and Sam Pitroda. We agree with much of what is said and
only write in with additional points of view.



I wholly thank all below for a stimulating day. In all this policing and
policing we swapped stories and remembered to have fun today!



Piyush Sharma, PD, NID 2005, Usability Specialist HFI

Suvodeep Das, PD, NID 2004, Usability Specialist HFI

Uttam Pal Singh, VC, NID 2004, UPSC Film and Animation

Deepti Pant FDP - Design management 2001, FTII Ralibha

Latika Khosla ED, NID 1984, Freedom Tree Design





Comment on NDP





1) NDP emphasizes more on the "hand" than the "mind" and "heart". It is
defining design as a tangible end product rather than PROCESS.

2) NDP as is leaves out the journey (process) and emphasizes on the
destination (product) whereas it is the journey which is the more enriching
and encompassing definition of design than the end product. NDP needs to
recognize that design of services and process design for organizations
whether that be for industry or social systems is also a DESIGN DELIVERABLE
rather than just a commodity.

3) Keeping this in mind, a broader definition thus helps us define who are
the 'designers' eligible for CSD. (For example, CSD should be open to
various disciplines of design: industrial designers, film makers, design
strategists, fashion designers, software designers. This may then pre-clude,
the tailors and the dtp technicians, as designers.)







One Body



1) Designers in India should have one single umbrella body, with separate
working committees to serve different interest groups.

CSD should be the governing, and accrediting body for designers for India.
CSD governing body should not be 100 percent designers but industry leaders,
visionaries and educators and maybe even a peak performing sportsperson or a
journalist/anchor!



2) Indians/designers are story tellers. We want to tell a little story here.


Guru Gobind Singhji, called upon 5 disciples to form the khalsa. After
anointing them, he in turn asked be made a disciple of the order by them.

This humility in the structure of the organization is what we expect of the
nature of CSD and its accredited institutions and members.



3) Membership to CSD should be limited to graduates/alumni of the accredited
design institutes. Professional working in design after suitable work
experience can apply for membership, which will be seconded and reviewed by
a panel.





Some indications for structure of CSD.



Under the aegis of CSD there may be various working committees. The Indian
Design Council should be one of bodies under the CSD.



Some responsibilities/functions /working committees.

1) Accreditation: of design institutes, their curriculum, (etc as mentioned
by other groups.)

2) Lobby group: to give better breaks to the start up Indian design and
entrepreneurship and liaise with government on policy.

3) Marketing:  To be the final platform interface for industry/
international meets etc. 4) Mentoring programs: for CSD members. Design
planning tools.

5) Design Evangelist:  Mentors, evangelists, idols to spread design.

6) Communication: Open source. An open online dictionary and directory of
design.

Our language and formats should borrow not only from industry but from other
successful professions that have connected with the hearts of the Indians.
Movies, sports, NGO's. Like the English language that incorporated 'foreign
language' words the CSD online dictionary should define design terms and
processes in colloquial language.

Example,  is there a 'doosra' or 'googly' or a 'get well soon'(Gandhigiri)
in design?

7) Recognition: CSD to set standards for recognition.





What CSD need not be.



It is a visionary body, offering good governance and best practice.



CSD should not be a petty administrator/munimji.

CSD should not offer any rating for designers or institutes.

CSD should not be a government body.







CSD Conscience



As we hurtle toward huge growth, a CSD working committee should help us
balance consumption and production and understand sustainable and ethical
consumption.

India is going into rapid overdrive regarding manufacturing and consumerism.
The WEALTH of economies is traditionally measured by amount of production
and consumption. Now we should measure it as WELL BEING of a society in
which PEOPLE LIVE BETTER CONSUMING LESS..






  with regards to all,



Latika Khosla and Mumbai Designers





Latika Khosla CMG
Design Director
Freedom Tree Design
Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.
Mumbai 400018 INDIA













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I just came across an article for a detailed read on various regulatory bodies
that bring 'standardisation' in industry (not in profession) ...have a look.

http://www.singhania.com/publications/REGULATORY%20BODIES%20IN%20INDIA.doc

Manoj Kothari
Onio Design



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Venue - Seminar Hall NID   .   Sunday 29th April 2007   .    10.30 am to
1.30 pm    .    No. of participants - 27

A majority of the participants were recent graduates of NID, some of
whom are not designindia members, and some though members do not follow
the discussions there regularly and were therefore not conversant with
the issues at hand. It was heartening though to see so many young newly
minted designers participating and hopefully they will bring in others
as well.
These are my notes (and interpretations) on significant points from the
discussions, others will also be sharing their notes and views.

*On CSD
- *Should work to raise consciousness about design in Indian society
-Platform for collective action which can be more powerful than what
individuals can achieve singly
-Where do we fit 'ethics' - it is not being spoken about
-A platform for stimulate and make possible multi disciplinary design
action/projects (collaboration across design disciplines) . A place
where everybody pushes the envelope together. Also collaborations within
streams - animators, filmmakers etc
-Support and give confidence to designers
-A web presence which is a cross between design council (uk) and core77
- individual portfolios of members plus case studies and valuable
information.
-Web peer review for membership of those without edu.qualifications.
-Can craftspersons be members? Can it be a chartered society of
designers and innovators?
-House was divided on membership - one view was that it should be broad
based and develop processes to include practitioners without formal
training, craftspersons etc. others felt it should be strictly
restricted to qualified professionals as widening it gets confusing and
harder to organise.
-Local bodies would be more manageable and effective than a national one
- maybe regional, north, east..or statewise, these could then feed or be
connected to national body. This may also help address local issues at
grassroots .

*On Design Policy
*-Should be an articulation of Govt.'s commitment to the well being of
design, design education, and design promotion and an understanding of
the benefits that can accrue from the same
-Several members expressed dissatisfaction with the policy in its
current form -in terms of content, scattered and not comprehensive and
in terms of language - should be a crisp, inspirational document which
people rally around and can be assimilated by all. (remember Eames Report)
-Some felt that it is ratified by the cabinet and we should therefore
let be, and maybe it can be influenced in time.(the inevitability effect)
-We need more transparency regarding formulation/decisions related to
design policy - who are we sending these recommendations to? who does
the national design policy committee consist of? Why are there no
designers on it? they are speaking to us through mails on our web group,
how do we speak to them?
-Lets organise in Ahmedabad a 3 day design event - calling the best
minds we can identify from within and outside design, to debate and
share ideas about what we want to do with design and how that translates
into policy. An event that is does not go un noticed by press, govt.,
business and the public.

rashmi korjan . studio korjan . ahmedabad (nid pd 1976)



*Ahmedabad meet attended by:*

    1. Amit Sheth - Minds Eye Pvt. Ltd.
    2. Suchitra Sheth  - Setu
    3. Dinesh Korjan  - Studio Korjan
    4. Deepti Trivedi  - Freelance
    5. Samir More  - NID
    6. Kumar Vyas
    7. Khalid A Rafique  - G.I.F.T
    8. Dinesh Sharma  - Isiliye Design
    9. Anirban Dutta Gupta
   10. Akhila Krishnan
   11. Gautam Patel  - D'Three
   12. Parth Suthar
   13. Vaishali
   14. Arnav Kumar
   15. Navleen Kohli
   16. Dhaara Jagad
   17. Ranjit Dahiya
   18. Hitendra Vala
   19. Narendra Patel  - Animedia
   20. Pravin Mishra  - Lightz
   21. Dhun Karkaria  - Karizma Communications
   22. Satyajeet Kumar  - Topolate
   23. Anuj Sharma  - Anuj Sharma
   24. Amit Sinha  - Textrade International
   25. Angira Shah  - Square1
   26. Rashmi Korjan  - Studio Korjan
   27. Raju Panna



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Day 2- Designindia strategy Meet at Pune
"Design Council & Design Promotion'


17 members of Designindia/Pune design foundation attended the 2nd
day meet.

Members represented Design Entrepreneurs, Designers in Corporates,
Design Educationists.

We had two sessions- One on the Design Council and the other one on
Design promotion

Symbiosis Institute of design hosted the two day event in a very
professional manner.
Designindia and Pune Design Foundation thank Symbiosis Institute of
Design, ts faculty and students for the gesture and look for further
support in future.

A good side effect of this event was that all designers and design
institutes came together, and there were discussions on sidelines to
have professionals to visit design schools, and design schools to
support events more often.

Look for a design vibrant Pune now.

I am uploading the report on this session in pdf format. I hope it
is useful.

Members present today
1. Sudhir Sharma   -Elephant Strategy + Design
2. Balakrishna Mahajan- Ticket Design
3. Dr. Dinesh S. Katre- C-DAC
4. Darpana Athale - Sarvasva Design
5. Sanjay Jain- MIT Institute of Design
6. Ashish Deshpande- Elephant Strategy + Design
7. Subhash Kotwal- Symbiosis Institute of Design
8. Nishma Pandit- Ticket Design
9. Ashwini Deshpande- Elephant Strategy + Design
10. Anirudh Natu- Symbiosis Institute of Design
11. Dhimant Panchal - MIT Institute of Design
12. Parag Sen- One Creative Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
13. Shrikrishna S. Athale-Sarvasva Designs Pvt. Ltd.
14. Satish Gokhale  -Design Directions
15. Vaibhavi Ranade-Symbiosis Institute of Design
16. Vinay Mundada-Symbiosis Institute of Design
17. Hrridaysh Deshpande-Creative-i College
18. Pankaj Sapkal-Remote 3D
19. Arvind Merchant-MIT Institute of Design



regards

Sudhir Sharma

1989nid
elephant
pune

Sorry friends.

We couldn't have the meeting in Jaipur as no designer responded. I don't
blame them as it demanded prompt respoinse and most wouldn't have been
able to. But it isn't necessary that to have the meeting on 29th, we can
have it anytime during the week. Do let me know if we could still have it.

Yunus Khimani
IICD, Jaipur

> Hi we have 2 confirmations for Mumbai. Whew!
>
> Lalit Hira
>
> Payal Wadhwa
>
> Any other takers.  We can also follow this online, if we have only  3
> attendees in Mumbai.
>
> Also please write in with your preferred date and time!  nelam has done an
> excellent job putting down some thoughts, so please do write in and let us
> just build on this and anything we can throw in.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Latika Khosla CMG
> Design Director
> Freedom Tree Design
> Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.
> Mumbai 400018 INDIA
>
>
>
>
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We had a meeting of professional designers in Pune today.
22 members of Designindia/Pune design foundation attended the
meeting.

Members represented Design Entrepreneurs, Designers in Corporates,
Design Educationists.

We had two sessions today. Balance two sessions will happen tomorrow
(today already) on 29th April.
Symbiosis Institute of design has hosted the event and organized in
a very professional manner, with a logo designed for the event,
signage on campus, registration process, name tags for each member
and a registration kit for each member with printed dockets, writing
pad, pen and pencil. Print outs of the agenda as well as the NDP was
also given to each member.

Tea was served at work and SID organized sumptuous lunch. The event
has been recorded on Video and has been extensively photographed.
Student volunteers took down notes to help documentation. Overall
brilliantly managed as an event.

Designers present and Designindia thank SID for setting the
benchmark and all the help.

Session1.
Freewheeling. Every member had five minutes on the podium to put
across his/her general thoughts about NDP/CSD design promotion
Details are given below:
Ashish Deshpande of Elephant made a detailed presentation on Chater
of Pune Design Foundation which is under construct.

Session2.
Focussed discussions on CSD . Here members were grouped in 3
categories that they represented. Each group has collated its own
points focused on CSD. Please find an attachment pdf on the same.
Session2 report is ten pages, please download the pdf. If needed I
can paste it on the group (but it will be too long)


Here are some highlights/ comments from the session 1.
(Since there were too many thoughts I am not crediting each thought)

1. India doesn't have too many Design entrepreneurs
2. Design gets confused with other professions- architects,
interior designers
3. Designers must have Tax sops to set up design business
4. CSD should recognise the design institutes
5. There should be some difference small / tiny design
education institutes
6. Role of foreign design schools in design education in india
should be clear
7. Need to high light economic benefits of Design practice
8. Design policy should fund design research of national
impotance
9. NDP as it is not balanced education vs practice
10. It is more of a Nation Design educationj Policy. It should
focus on Design practice
11. Design practice as well as CSD have no bench marks in India
12. Design practice has no system / process/ business/ or
recognition
13. CSd needs to streamline business, deliveries, profession,
processes
14. Need to bring out the Value of Design Intervention
15. We need to make society design sensitive
16. Need clarity on Design and Designer
17. Define who is a designer
18. Define what is design
19. Design is an activity as well as an object
20. Design education needed at primary school level
21. Introduce design education in school
22. Design needs to Align with Industry
23. Designers employed in Industry are less involved in NDP and
CSD issues
24. NDP should focus on Industrial competitive ness
25. Need a certain way to standardise and regulate the profession
26. Bollywood and IT industry have had no government
intervention but have thrived and impacted society
27. Lets do what we can with what we have
28. NDP/ CSD need a motivating agenda
29. Need design journals to publish and share research and case
studies.
30. Share professional knowledge
31. Need to have design confrences, exhibitions, awards
32. CSD should be autonomous with no govt control, but
recognised by govt
33. Accrrdition of Design Institutes as mentioned in NDP is a
big NO. it should be recognition not accredtion
34. CSD will work for organised designers
35. CSD will not work for non-organised designers
36. Bounded and non-bounded designers
37. How do u define graphic designers
38. List professional streams of designers
39. Things happen inspite of government
40. NID should have a gardeners role and not a banyan trees job
41. CSD would be a bigger body with architects and other
designers
42. Since professionals feel the need of this body, it is the
right time to have one
43. R&D benefits to smaller organisations.
44. An organisation should get nbenefits if it employs a CSD
45. PDF and other regional bodies should be onvolved in
promotion of design
46. Be careful when you regulate
47. NDP or NID-P
48. Design council and CSD should be advisory to govt on Design
Policy
49. Govt should use only CSD- designers for govt jobs
50. CSD institute like CA Institute

Members Present for the meet

1.Sudhir Sharma -Elephant Strategy + Design
2.Balakrishna Mahajan-Ticket Design
3.Dr. Dinesh S. Katre-C-DAC
4.Unmesh Kulkarni-Philips Design
5.Pankaj Jhunja-Renault
6.Atul Joshi-Design Incubator
7.Sanjay Jain -MIT Institute of Design
8.Ashish Deshpande-Elephant Strategy + Design
9.Subhash Kotwal-Symbiosis Institute of Design
10.Nishma Pandit -Ticket Design
11.Ashwini Deshpande-Elephant Strategy + Design
12.Anirudh Natu-Symbiosis Institute of Design
13.Dhimant Panchal-MIT Institute of Design
14.Parag Sen-Cluster One Creative Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
15.Shrikrishna S. Athale-Sarvasva Designs Pvt. Ltd.
16.Satish Gokhale-Design Directions
17.Vaibhavi Ranade-Symbiosis Institute of Design
18.Nachiket Thakur-Mahindra Composites
19.Vikram Mitra-Design Genesis
20.Hrridaysh Deshpande-Creative-i College
21.Manoj Kothari -Onio Design Pvt. Ltd.
22.Pankaj Sapkal-Remote 3D




regards

Sudhir Sharma

Founder Director & Principal Designer
Elephant Strategy + Design

Founder moderator "Designindia".

Cell No. +91 98220 93832

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Hi
for design India meet Mumbai,
we will meet at worli.
shall we say 10.30, on sunday 29th morning?

Hope this gets posted on the site, or sudhir please upload this message.

Freedom Tree Design
Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.
Mumbai 400018 INDIA

My cell no is 98-192-77777

If coming by train get off at mahalaxmi and take cab to worli seaface.
do call for exact directions.

Latika


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hi , i would like to come too.
   29th 10 am at ur office for design meet in mumbai ..
   if u cld give ur no too for exact loaction
   thanks
   deepti 9833439953

Uttam pal Singh Chawla <upsc01@...> wrote:
           Hi,

I know this is late but i would like to confirm my
participation for the design meet in mumbai.

29th 10am at ur office sounds good.
Please confirm!

Uttam Pal Singh

--- freedomtree <freedomtree@...> wrote:

> Hi we have 2 confirmations for Mumbai. Whew!
>
> Lalit Hira
>
> Payal Wadhwa
>
> Any other takers. We can also follow this online,
> if we have only 3
> attendees in Mumbai.
>
> Also please write in with your preferred date and
> time! nelam has done an
> excellent job putting down some thoughts, so please
> do write in and let us
> just build on this and anything we can throw in.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Latika Khosla CMG
> Design Director
> Freedom Tree Design
> Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.
> Mumbai 400018 INDIA
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi,

I know this is late but i would like to confirm my
participation for the design meet in mumbai.

29th 10am at ur office sounds good.
Please confirm!

Uttam Pal Singh


--- freedomtree <freedomtree@...> wrote:

> Hi we have 2 confirmations for Mumbai. Whew!
>
> Lalit Hira
>
> Payal Wadhwa
>
> Any other takers.  We can also follow this online,
> if we have only  3
> attendees in Mumbai.
>
> Also please write in with your preferred date and
> time!  nelam has done an
> excellent job putting down some thoughts, so please
> do write in and let us
> just build on this and anything we can throw in.
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> Thanks
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> Latika Khosla CMG
> Design Director
> Freedom Tree Design
> Silverene, 63 Worli Sea face Rd.
> Mumbai 400018 INDIA
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hi, neelam/group:
since i can't attend today's discussion, i thought i would put down my
not-too-developed thoughts on the CSD issue. hope these help in some way...
love/arvind

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Jottings for a Chartered Body for Designers

Membership should be by:
(i) qualification OR passing a series of examinations, and
(ii) payment of membership fees (waivers may be available for deserving cases)

Mandate (in no particular order or hierarchy):
1. Regulation of design practice, and protecting its (national) interests
2. Engagement with & feeding back to design education
3. Promotion & lobbying for greater design influence (MPR: "Building a design
culture")
4. Facilitating/sponsoring more & more industry-academia-social
sector-government interaction & collaboration
5. Conducting regular (strategic, critical, trans-sectoral)
state-of-the-discipline studies & disseminating the findings
6. Setting short-term & long-term agendas for Indian design
7. Networking with other professional bodies (design/non-design;
Indian/overseas; industry/non-industry)

Structure:
. Let a dedicated core group (elected/nominated by the present body of design
practitioners) of not more than 15 individuals assume responsibility to
aggregate, consolidate and define the overall norms, objectives, etc. for the
chartered body - in the form of a 'constitution' and an operational plan
. Once these documents have been agreed upon, let local bodies evolve
. Let there be no 'central' location or headquarters; let the colleactive
leadership be comprised of representatives from various local bodies
. However, let each local body have a real entity with dedicated staff and
clearcut agendas & deliverables (it would make sense to 'house' these within
design institutes, but not if it causes political disturbance)
. Let each local body be funded from multiple sources: (i) central government,
ministries of industry/ IT/ S&T/ I&B/ commerce/ export/ handicraft/ education/
etc., (ii) state government, relevant ministries/departments, (iii) membership
fees, and (iv) industry sponsors if any (unconditional)


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