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Re: [feflow] Boundary condition

Thanks Pete,

As workaround I manage to generate some input files: one for the
"power functions" and one for the "time variant ID". For the
generation of the file, I have temporary assigned the boundary
conditions as the time-constant and the I exported them as ASCII file
that I modified and imported again to simulate time-variant boundary
conditions.
However, I noticed that importing an external file using the command
"database" is quite tricky. Following the procedure described in this
forum:

http://feflow.info/forum/index.php/topic,446.msg1332.html#msg1332

I used the commands: Assign - database - Import Time-varying IDs -
Head BC/Seepage - Automatic regionalization.But I had to use 'Inverse
Distance Weighting' with only one neighboring point as the
regionalization method for getting the exact numbers I wanted for each
node.


In theory the command "interpolate" the data. To avoid the
interpolation I used "

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Pete Sinton <psinton@...> wrote:
> Hi Gio,
>
> I see your point. There's no way around it but you can create the node
> and power lists outside of feflow and edit them into an ascii fem. I've
> done a lot of this; let me know if I can help.
>
> *Pete*
>
>
> Giovanni Firmani wrote:
>>
>> Pete,
>>
>> assigning a pressure condition or a head condition for feflow is
>> exactly the same. Let assume (as in my case) I have to model a
>> seepage, I would use h=z and p=0. If the seepage boundary changes with
>> time I would need a different power function for each node (as there
>> is a different head for each node). But as p=0 is the same for each
>> node it would be easier to use only one power function for all the
>> nodes. This is the reason why I was wondering if it is possible to use
>> a power function for a pressure boundary condition
>>
>> Ciao
>> Gio
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Pete Sinton <psinton@...
>> <mailto:psinton%40aquageo.us>> wrote:
>> > Odd, but you are right. On my first attempt, it seemed to work, but when
>> > I looked at the node with the inspector, it indicated the boundary
>> > condition was a HEAD node, not pressure.
>> >
>> > It does not really matter though, because the help file indicates
>> > (consistent with physics) that feflow converts the pressure to total
>> > head anyway using equation h = p/(rho*g) + node_elevation. So if you
>> > input a pressure or a head, feflow ultimately operates on head. You can
>> > input a total head for the vadose zone and it will understand that the
>> > fixed head is above the water table if the head you input is smaller
>> > than the elevation of the node. Such nodes should probably only be set
>> > in a variable-saturation model, not confined or phreatic.
>> >
>> > *Pete Sinton*
>> >
>> > www.aquageo.us
>> >
>> >
>> > Giovanni Firmani wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I tried that
>> >>
>> >> When I use options->pressure instead of head I cannot define any
>> >> time-variant function. It seems that is not possible to assign a time
>> >> variant function for the presure :(
>> >>
>> >> Giovanni
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Pete Sinton <psinton@...
>> <mailto:psinton%40aquageo.us>
>> >> <mailto:psinton%40aquageo.us>> wrote:
>> >> > yes - it is done the same you would do with head, but select
>> pressure as
>> >> > the variable of choice. under the mesh inspector, set the light
>> >> > blue button to "options", then select "head (1st kind)" button.
>> Select
>> >> > pressure as the variable of choice.
>> >> >
>> >> > *Pete Sinton*
>> >> >
>> >> > www.aquageo.us
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Giovanni Firmani wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is it possible to set up a time-varying function for the pressure
>> >> >> instead of the head when dealing with unsaturated problems?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Giovanni



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Is it possible to set up a time-varying function for the pressure instead of the head when dealing with unsaturated problems? Regards Giovanni...
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yes - it is done the same you would do with head, but select pressure as the variable of choice. under the mesh inspector, set the light blue button to...
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I tried that When I use options->pressure instead of head I cannot define any time-variant function. It seems that is not possible to assign a time variant...
Giovanni Firmani
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Odd, but you are right. On my first attempt, it seemed to work, but when I looked at the node with the inspector, it indicated the boundary condition was a...
Pete Sinton
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Feb 7, 2009
4:23 am

Pete, assigning a pressure condition or a head condition for feflow is exactly the same. Let assume (as in my case) I have to model a seepage, I would use h=z...
Giovanni Firmani
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Feb 7, 2009
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Hi Gio, I see your point. There's no way around it but you can create the node and power lists outside of feflow and edit them into an ascii fem. I've done a...
Pete Sinton
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Feb 7, 2009
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Thanks Pete, As workaround I manage to generate some input files: one for the "power functions" and one for the "time variant ID". For the generation of the...
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