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Re: [indiansciencefiction] Mahatma with mobile!

Mssrs. Mishra and Tiwari mention “anachronism” in terms of its use in science fiction, with specific reference to steam punk. This discussion point does not assert that science fiction is in any way anachronistic, but only that some stories employ anachronistic tropes. In the case of much steam punk, the most common anachronistic tropes rely on the industrial technology of Victorian Great Britain.

Writers who employ the anachronistic (old or historical) imagery are usually doing so because it gives the atmosphere of their stories an otherworldly, perhaps even surreal effect. The intention of the authors is to shake up our expectations of the world. The image of Mohandas T. Gandhi using a cellular phone is not in itself “anachronistic,” but as a historical figure from a time before the invention of cell phones (or even computers and satellites), but Gandhi is an anachronism (someone out of “old” history”) juxtaposed with the ultramodern. This striking contrast forces us to reexamine our understanding of the world in some small way. We wind up thinking about the significance of this unexpected image.

In a science fiction context, however, that one image also suggests something else: an alternative history. One might be led to wonder that the author might be telling us a story of an alternate or parallel Earth historically similar, but also different, in which technological developments the reader is familiar with in the late 20th century came about 60 years earlier in the alternate world. The sci-fi question being implied is, “What might have happened if the Victorian British had developed computer tech as we know in the 1880s, and how might they have designed it?” Suddenly modern technology as we are familiar with it acquires an antique quality that can be quite charming.

It also reminds us that the way we package technology for public consumption is determined by our prevailing ideas of what makes good industrial design and architecture. Did you know that the first cell phones (and many that are still made), the ones that flip open (I have one of those), are direct design descendents of the communicators used in the 1960s TV series Star Trek? Likewise, many PDAs (Personal Digital Assistants, or palmtop computers) have been based on the data padds that characters in the first Star Trek series used. Those designs in turn were created by industrial designers hired by Gene Roddenberry to create the devices used in the TV show—and these designers in their turn reapplied their imaginative designs in the real world of home appliances. You can say that they made the sci-fi designs into a functional reality for all of us.

Medical technology companies are still trying to design equipment that does what the medical equipment show in Star Trek does, especially with non-intrusive remote biometrical scanners that monitor the internal condition of patients.

My point is that the “anachronistic” is brought about by the juxtaposition of of historically incongruous facts, or by dressing up the world in design concepts that were popular 60 or 100 or 150 years ago. One might have that same giddy sense of anachronism if they encountered our high tech times repackaged according to Art Deco or American Air Stream design concepts.

Cheers,

Gene van Troyer


Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:44 am

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'All works of SF are not necessarily anachronistic'-Vishwa Mohan Tiwari[VMT] Thanks VMT, but is there any voice of dissent or need for further explanation...
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Mssrs. Mishra and Tiwari mention ³anachronism² in terms of its use in science fiction, with specific reference to steam punk. This discussion point does not...
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A lot of thanks to Mr.Gene van Troyer for elaborating concepts/phenomena like anachronism, steam punk, alternate history and their possible correlations and I...
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You can find out a lot about Recusive Science Fiction here: http://www.nesfa.org/Recursion/index.htm ... Recursive SF is basically a sub-sub genre. Most often,...
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Could in any conceivable form a recursive sf contain anachronistic elements Gene ? I have some vague idea and want you to elaborate please. ... -- arvind...
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Yes, of course. Recursion in SF simply means SF that that in some way refers to other SF, SF authors, fans, conventions, and the like. A good example of this...
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Thanks to Gene Troyer for elaborating the issue but I need more on steam punk and alternate world Zeashan Zaidi Gene van Troyer <gevantry@...> wrote: ...
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Zeashan, Gene has elaborated these concepts nicely but if you wish to delve deep into the matter you could see the following links and also go for cross...
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Not being much into the technical dimension of the sci- fi, I am not really deep into the discussions but it's obvious that the members are enjoying and...
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Thanks Gene, Having heard this from Gene,could I dare to ask VMT regarding his own personal experience about the incidence when he himself was shown as a...
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Dear Arvind jee I had missed this E mail earlier, somehow! Indeed it was a very pleasant surprise to find Air Vice Marshal Vishwa Mohan Tiwari in a novel as a...
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"Indeed it was a very pleasant surprise to find Air Vice Marshal Vishwa Mohan Tiwari in a novel as a character interacting with other fictional ones.." VMT ...
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Arvind jee Kamaleshwar was a learned writer or novelist, unlike many other. He used to read foriegn literture as well. Though he never mentioned to me about...
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Yes,I agree with you Tiwaree jee ,Kamleshwar would have accessed such developments in contemporary world classics ! arvind ... politeness, I am sure he knew...
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I guess it's an honour and as iwaree jee belongs to this forum, we all can bask in (reflected) glory! Such inclusion indicates that the person is...
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Dr Nautial Jee Bahut bahut dhanyawaad for your kind remarks. I remember that you had written a review of my book 'Aanand Panchhee Nihaaran kaa'. May be you...
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Ms Gene van Trpyer, Thank you for maintaining the seriousness in our discussions in this small group. You bring out the depth that is hidden in a word like...
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You are quite right Dr.Nautial,Tiwaree ji is not only a bird man but has many more feathers to his his cap....
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As suggested by Tiwaree jee, I shall put up a brief review of his book on birds on this board (Anand panchhee nihaaran kaa) but may take a littl;e bit of...
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Dear Dr Nautial jee Dhanyawad. I am sure you are going to bringout the S&T essence of the book along with it's cultural soul. Punah Dhanyawaad. I am sure you...
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Tiwaree ji is not only a bird man but a knowledgeable aged owl to be more precise..... what an owlish appearance he possesses..We are proud of his...
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Please do post the review,we are eagerly awaiting it ....
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Thanks Tiwaree JI for these words of praise...though I must submit that I am very weak expressing in this foreign language... something may spontaneously...
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If we were to have a compilation of representative science fiction collection, which story'd you like to be included? This is addressed to all. CMN Arvind...
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I'm assuming that this compilation is not limited to science fiction by Indian writers - in that case, my choices would be a) A Walk in the Sun - Geoffrey A...
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Thanks Barua jee and Raman jee for responding. A good clarification is sought. May be we can add names in 3 categories- Indian/ Hindi and world. But let me...
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Dear Dr. Nautial, In the category of 'own' stories, would you like to include my story - ;Aawaaz' ? Is there a ategory for SFstories for children as well ? ...
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Sure, why not Tiwaree jee. I read and found it excellent. Yes, we could have a category for children also i.e. written for children and may be written by...
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Thank you Dr Nautial Vishwa Mohan Tiwari To: indiansciencefiction@...: cmnautiyal@...: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:27:50 +0000Subject:...
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Thank you Dr Nautial. It is better to catch them YOUNG. Vishwa Mohan Tiwari To: indiansciencefiction@...: cmnautiyal@...: Mon,...
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