In my opinion, this forum  represents  a group of intellectuals and is primarily aimed towards promotion of professional creativity among ourselves. Obviously, it is not a political forum, where we criticize our opponents, nor a business group where we can ride over our rivals. Thus politeness does become a part and parcel of such forums. While we should be free to express our views boldly, but at the same time it should be done in such a manner that it does not hurt the feeling of others. The Indian Science Fiction Writers Group consists of people who are extremely mature, highly educated, widely experienced and all of them have proved their intellectual strength before the readers, audiences & people interested in the field of science. Thus they have got the capability to understand what is right & what is wrong. Thus I firmly believe that by keeping ourselves within the safe limits of politeness & firmness, we should continue our work. Bimal K. Srivastava      --- On Sun, 4/5/08, arvind mishra <drarvind3@...> wrote: From: arvind mishra <drarvind3@...> Subject: Re: [indiansciencefiction] Issues of Etiquette To: indiansciencefiction@... Date: Sunday, 4 May, 2008, 8:20 AM Now I feel a bit uncomfortable, humbled  after  going through in between the lines of the the the creative giants on the issue.Am I really 'Excessively polite' ?Even to the extent that it becomes irritating to a friend like Dr.C.M.  Nautiyal  who  as I  honestly know him  personally  should be labeled yet another listed 'extra polite' member of the  forum.Being the 'Naked Apes' [Desmond Morris] as we are,  is not it safe to remain 'extra polite' in this impatient,impersona l , aggressive world ?Why take chances to loose the part of list carrying such lovable people and personalities. And is not this' irritating extra politeness ' is something which gives this forum a distinct flavor and identity ? More ever its a style which make  the forum a bit different from a lot others really superb ones on the web. The posts of Gene are always like some poem for me which which takes all my wit to grasp it  properly.And the same of  VMT' s  as well. But for that matter what is poem and I am tempted to quote here from RAM CHARIT MANAS : "sugam agam mridu manju kathore ,arth amit ati aakhar thore"[293,1.Ayodhya kaand-dialogue between Bharat and lord Rama.] {Easily intelligible  yet  incomprehensible ,soft and sweet yet hard,pregnant with vast meaning though too concise] If  all goes well  I  shall  invite Gene  shortly if he could please  introduce us what  sf  poem is about ,its definition, nature and possibly  all about it.Honestly ,even a year or two  back I did not know what this bird/word is about. [No] thanks, arvind On 03/05/2008, Vishwa Mohan Tiwari <onevishwa@hotmail. com> wrote: "In my opinion, you should not advise/ preach people about things related to etiquette (Swapnil jee should thank Anant jee, Dr Nautiyal should thank Gene and so on) because it implies that you treat those people as etiquetteless or ,   if they were already doing it, uncomfortable or give an impression that ou are dictating to them. They should, but it should be their business.  You shouldn't be dictating even as moderator."...CMN said. In my opinion no sensible and polite and civilized person can disagree with what CMN has said, and I thank him for taking this 'unpopular' but justified stand. CMN has not been rude at all, and he need not feel concernd about it. However I have noticed a special relationship between Arvind and Swapnil, Arvind is treated  like an elder brother by Swapnil  and Arvind treats him like a younger brother. Whether this should carry on for longer period, is debatable. CMN feels that it should not be carried on any longer, and I agree with CMN ( Who am I??) Again ,however, the fact, that a person has translated another persons story in another language,  is a matter of celebration. I feel Arvind was in this mood of celebration in which he told his younger brother to celebrate and be nice about it. From this perspetive, there is no crossing of boundaries by any one, unless Swapnil feels otherwise. Let us celebrate, Thank you Anant jee for the translation. Let us reciprocate if we can. Let this cross language creativity increase. On this forum we should create a magazine that inter alia, does this fuction as well. Let us create a multilingual E SF magazine. And when a knowledgeable foriegner and a fine creative writer Gene (Thank you Gene) sees in our behaviour on this forum, viz. 'no rudeness' and 'extra politeness',   it has to be correct, at least,  for two reasons.  Firstly, he has a fresh view. and secondly, he is unbiased, and not unnecessary polite. Arvind, mostly, if at all, has been more polite than necessary, but since his engine runs on emotional fuel, he sometimes presses the 'throttle' more than required, but that is OK, indeed welcome. It would be a pity   if emotions would  not playing theior roles; and in a lighter vein, 'Kuchh naheen to adaawat he sahee', as Ghalib has famously said!! Friends forgive me, for what I have written, no for what I have been preaching. Who am I to preach all such senior scientists and authors and thinkers?? Best wishes Vishwa Mohan Tiwari ____________ _________ _________ __ To: indiansciencefictio n@yahoogroups. co.in From: gevantry@nirai. ne.jp Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:19:42 +0900 Subject: [indianscienceficti on] Issues of Etiquette Fellow list members, I think most of us here have enough life experience to know when to practice good manners, and to understand when someone is perhaps being rude. I actually haven't encountered any rudeness on this list, or perhaps I should say, I haven't seen any of what I would consider rudeness. Quite the opposite: there seems to be an an almost excessive politeness. In as much as it is exceedingly easy to misunderstand people's intentions the text only, it is understandable that some of us would take on very polite tones in the interest of avoiding angry letter fights. I have seen flame wars, and they are terrible to behold. I much prefer the politeness, even if it may seem at times a little over done. Just so you know, it is unnecessary to thank me for anything I may post to this list, and if I say something a little ignorant I fully expect someone to note it (though gently, I hope). I am not offended if someone does not thank me. Arvind Mishra is the list moderator, though, and it is his prerogative to act in a moderatorish fashion. To this end, as one who has participated on panel discussions at conferences, I get the sense that Arvind views postings to this list as mini-panel discussions with his role being to act as moderator to thank participants, summarize what has been said, and to encourage some additional discussion with probing questions—just like a good moderator at a symposium or conference panel discussion. Since this is actually an e-mail list, this formal panel discussion structure may be a little off-putting from time to time. Just some thoughts I'm putting out. Cheers, Gene van Troyer ---- "(You Are Here) Topquark" in Strange Horizons: http://www.strangeh orizons.com/ 2008/20080421/ topquark- p.shtml ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowsl ive.com/messenge r/overview. html?ocid= TXT_TAGLM_ WL_Refresh_ messenger_ 052008 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://in.groups. yahoo.com/ group/indianscie ncefiction/ <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to:     http://in.groups. yahoo.com/ group/indianscie ncefiction/ join     (Yahoo! 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