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Re: What Format Should Governments Choose!

--- In indiansciencefiction@..., Gene van Troyer
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Without any doubt, it should be open format
Unmukt

> On 6/1/08 1:44 AM, "swapnil BHARTIYA" <arnieswap@...> wrote:
>
> >> I trust you, like me and others, must be using computers to create
> >> documents -- letters, stories, articles, etc. If you are using
Windows
> >> (which I don't use), you must be saving it in .doc format. Now, that
> >> format is being created using a proprietary technology of Microsoft.
> >> In future if Microsoft shuts down, you will not be able to access
that
> >> data. Someone will have to reverse engineer the fomat and see the
> >> data, and there can never be 100 % fidility in that. Now, look at
> >> governments which handle data in larger size....election commission
> >> has millions of active voters database. If that database is also in
> >> proprietary format, its a critical situation where the entire
database
> >> of a nation depends on the survival of a company. Which could not be
> >> accepted. However, this will give you clearer picture...
> >>
> In truth, there are many problems in recognizing any proprietary
software
> formats as acceptable international format standards. That is why
> governments and other public institutions should forego deploying any
> company¹s software for any public purpose unless that company guarantees
> that the formatting will be accessible by any OS platform. This
problem has
> been scandalous over the last few years, in as much as many
governments have
> signed agreements with Microsoft to install information sharing
systems on
> line that require the citizenry to use Microsoft products if they
wish to
> use government services on line. In the USA, Canada, and EU this has
sparked
> massive citizen protests and lawsuits, since governments that do
this are in
> effect telling citizens and other public institutions that they bust buy
> Microsoft products. This is nothing less than using taxpayer money to
> support a business monopoly.
>
> This is why the above named governments are being forced by its
citizens to
> to use Open Source information sharing systems which have formats
that work
> on any operating system such as Mac OSX, Linux, Windows, Solaris, OS/2,
> UNIX, and so on. While the operating systems themselves (except
Linux) are
> proprietary, Open Source formats are designed to work with all, of
them. In
> many countries, it has become illegal for taxpayer supported
institutions to
> continue using data sharing software that requires proprietary formats.
>
> Here in Japan, I am furious with the Japanese government around tax
time,
> because I cannot use online government services to handle tax
matters. The
> online systems are Windows-based and require citizens to use Windows
> software and Internet Explorer. This significantly complicates
procedures
> for me and tens of thousands of other citizens and residents of
Japan who
> feel that the government has no business telling us that we have
have to go
> out and buy Microsoft products. We quite rightly raise serious questions
> pertaining to collusion, graft, corruption, bribery, kickbacks, and
other
> actions on the part of public officials when it comes to Microsoft
and the
> proper use of taxpayer money.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gene van Troyer
>





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... Again, these are separate matters. They are very important considerations, especially when thinking about individual use. But this does not remove the ...
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... <gevantry@...> wrote: Without any doubt, it should be open format Unmukt ... Windows ... that ... database ... software ... problem has ... governments...
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I guess you are the only one Unmukt ji, on the forum, who uses GNU/Linux and Free Software (free as in freedom and not free beer), who else on teh forum uses...
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Dear Swapnil Thank you for presenting the case so lucidly and powerfully. vmt http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood...
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Welcome back Tiwari jee,How was your outing ? arvind ... -- arvind mishra Welcome back Tiwari jee,How was your outing ? arvind 2008/6/2 Vishwa Mohan Tiwari <...
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Arvind jee thank you for welcoming back. I delivered a speech at the 'Madhya Pradesh Saahity Parishad, at Bhopal " Page Three Versus chapter three', and three...
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Dear Tiwaree ji , Was it page 3 versus page 3 or page 4 ? Please correct me. arvind mishra ... From: Vishwa Mohan Tiwari <onevishwa@...> Subject: RE:...
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Arvind jee It is 'Page three versus Chapter three' vmt Vishwa Mohan Tiwari To: indiansciencefiction@...: arvind_drmishra@...:...
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Swapnil Thanks a lot ,as you have elaborated the subject in a lucid way its now quite understandable. It has ignited my interest in the subject. Thanks again. ...
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Gene, please ignore my previous email on the same issue, consider this one: (Swapnil) Gene wrote: Again, these are separate matters. They are very important ...
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Advancement of the discussion is ok but what conceivable connections all this may have with sf is more important here. If someone tries to extrapolate its...
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AND of course thanks a lot to Swapnil for initiating a very important discussion on a burning issue of presnt times. ... -- arvind mishra AND of course thanks...
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I always liked the idea of suitably paying an inventor of its IP even if it empties tax payers ballet a bit. But since it is a highly controversial issue...
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SWAPNIL My humble suggestion was and still is to explore the possible sf connections to the issue. But being a proactive and a technology activist guy as you...
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... Swapnil¹s original article as quoted on the list did contain a sci-fi element. The year is 2090. There is a world wide outbreak of smallpox virus. The...
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Right, Gene,it was the part which initially fascinated be but the later part of the discussion became technology obsessed...moving the fiction part to my...
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Dear Gene, Provoked by the issue, when I started talking to experts on OOXML, I did formulate a SF story, its almost done. I will share if with you as and when...
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... later ... part ... level ... Dear Arvind ji, This issue is highly sensitive. And I am surprised how come a forum which consist science communicators can...
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Swapnil, That's fine,You have done your part nicely.Now let others decide and do their part to save India and all that you are genuinely concerned about. ...
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Swapnil jee thank you for the important and critcal information. I feel that apart from choosing the OS etc, I can do very little. For changing over from MS, i...
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Respected Sir, First of all I would like to thank you for realising the criticality and seriousness of the issue. To be honest with you using Linux is as ...
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Hats off to the altruistic behaviour Swapil, and congrats to VMT for this great opportunity. And if it is not the shameless self promotion ,hats off to this...
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Thanks Arvidn Ji! Dear all, Any one on the forum, who wants to try Linux, just let me know. All those who are in vicinity -- Delhi and NCR -- I will personally...
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thats great.....and data saving ? ??On 05/06/2008, swapnil.bhartiya < ... -- arvind mishra thats great.....and data saving ? ??On 05/06/2008, swapnil.bhartiya...
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actually LIVE CD comes as great help when your Windows crashes and u cant do anything but format thus deleting everything on C drive. But by using Linux u can...
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i request u to try... ... indiansciencefiction@...<indiansciencefiction%40yahoogroups.co.in>, ... criticality ... Linux is as ... friend have ......
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Arvind jee You are correct about Swapnil. Thanks vmt Vishwa Mohan Tiwari To: indiansciencefiction@...: drarvind3@...: Thu, 5 Jun...
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Respected VMT, Altruism is a feature engraved in Man's GENES.And how a smart guy like Swapnil could be an exception? Lately, I have begun to realize the...
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Thanks for your words of praise, Arvind ji. If you want to give Linux a try I can send you DVD and CDs of Ubuntu. Please let me know :-) Swapnil ... since my ...
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Dear Swapnil   I have some doubt about ¡Linux¢. Though I have not much knowledge about this O.S. But if I am not wrong, It is an open source software,...
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