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Re: [indiansciencefiction] Perplexing question

See inline.

Dr. Johnson C. Philip wrote:
> We know that the ultimate aim for which mankind is working
> is to establish a better world. Whether it be research

A lot of us actually doubt it.

Couple of weeks back, I was looking at a bunch of some 200 odd pictures
of nature a friend brought on a pen drive. It took me a while to realize
a key attribute of virtually every picture I liked - it tended to have
no man made structure visible! When I looked closely, virtually every
man made structure looked rather crude compared to nature made ones!

Some of the happiest memories I have are not of Bombay (where I've spent
much of my life) but of a little unfenced farm near Kanpur in north that
didn't even have electricity & where I spent a summer in childhood!
Lazing under a tree there vs watching TV on a Sunday afternoon in Bombay...

Will I leave my precious concrete jungle for surroundings that have been
less touched by humans? Not anytime soon, but who knows? May be some day
a quite location on some island in Lakshdweep that actually has
uninterrupted power, fast transport to urban centers, & internet...

Of course we understand nature better with every passing day. And also
how to use what mother earth offers to make gadgets that do things not
yet done by gadgets. Whether that results in a "better world" is
probably an open question. Because definition of "better" depends on
person, mood, stage in life, ...

> free of inequality, exploitation, crime, and tyranny.
Last week's terror attacks on Bombay show some of the progress made.

> However, when we project our history into future using
> science-fiction, somehow the crime, the intensity of crime,
> the exploitation of people, only seem to become more
> prominent, more intense, and more evil.

This view probably also depends on what kind of science fiction you read.

A well known example is Eric Frank Russell. His worlds have all the
stupidity & craziness someone can ask for in science fiction, & yet the
effect is to have fun. Here are two of his very well known stories that
are available online, in case someone is unfamiliar with him (second one
is an early example of Gandhigiri):
"Allamagoosa"
<http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/russell/russell1.html\
>
"- And Then There Were None -"
<http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.htm>

There are other examples. But yes, a lot of what goes as sf is dystopia.
Fortunately, there is so much of it that we can choose to read only the
kind of stuff that goes with personal temperament.

> 3. Or is it that we will remain evil in spite of progress for
> a millennia, or even a hundred thousand years?
Depending on how "evil" is defined, I suppose a Darwinian view of the
universe can offer some perspectives.

--
<http://variety-sf.blogspot.com/>


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Dear Friends, Something that has always perplexed in Science Fiction is the crime-question. Let me put it this way: We know that the ultimate aim for which...
Dr. Johnson C. Philip
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If everything goes very smoothly, where is the chance to enjoy. The story will be generated only if ups and downs.   CMN Dr. Chandra Mohan Nautiyal MSc...
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Now who will answer to these genuine questions raised by Dr.J.C.Philip ?Why an sf writer should at all depict a dystopian future full of gloom and darkness ?...
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Mishraji. please see my humble comments on the question. I am for positivism. It is the way I write too....
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Hello Group, Why is science fiction so full of crime while the world is getting progressively better? Because science fiction is not written for the future,...
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Do you mean to say that the scenario we WANT for future will not be suitable for writing stories about future. That perplexes me much because what social set...
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Dr.Philip, future as depicted in sf denotes a probable future that may come or may not .Its the imagination /some sort of a prophetic vision of an individual...
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Hello, Arthur C Clarke has famously said that we underestimate the scientific progress in the next 100 years, and overestimate in the next 1000. The point is:...
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See inline. ... Most often cited early science fiction story about internet is: Murray Leinster's "A Logic Named Joe" (1946) ...
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Aren't you reading too much into it? It's fiction - & a lot of us read it just for entertainment rather than any kind of enlightenment. Means a lot of authors...
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The end shown i sci- fi is usually not gloomy.  What is shown inSci-Fi i not necessarily right or wrong.  It's a scenario, one of the  several possible...
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Friends I was busy preparing for a Seminar 'Is Cultural Renaissance necessary in India today?' in Hindi organized by Aurobindo Society for Hindi area. Today...
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I agree VMT it was perhaps the reason why Asiomov had a penchant for detective sf stories and had many penned himself. arvind mishra ... From: Vishwa Mohan...
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See inline. ... A lot of us actually doubt it. Couple of weeks back, I was looking at a bunch of some 200 odd pictures of nature a friend brought on a pen...
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crime is a human behaviour. though we are progressing in science &technology, we are going backwards and deteriorating in good human values. Cheating finds...
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Sundarselvan Yes your viewpoint is quite right -thanks ! arvind mishra ... From: sundaraselvan <sundaraselvan@...> Subject: [indiansciencefiction] Re:...
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Although everyone, readers as well as SF writers, dream of a world free from ills, I believe that we lack conviction in that dream. SF writers are always more...
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Many questions are arising here. What should contain in SiFi stories? Good, bad or both the things? I think a story containing only good powers or only evil...
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Zeashan who himself is an accomplished sf writer when speaks on sf I have to value his views on the genre as it omes straight from horse mouth ! Any querries...
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So here is at least one sf author who doesn't believe that any amount of progress, in terms of science or at the social/cultural/ judicial levels can rid the...
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Reema, There is something in most of us that like crimes ,loves the thought of huge destruction,the grandeur of disasters and warfare.Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde's...
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Dear Discussants, I find Arvindji's perspective about SF providing a canvass where crime can be taken to its ultimate zenith without actual harm worth further ...
Reema Sarwal
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Science is just a tool, by using it we can change our physical status. But it is not a set of rules, regulations and laws so can¢t help in rising moralities,...
zeashan zaidi
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Not directly in response to anything you say below, but related. There was a post at Tor about a month back by Katherine Cramer. She once interviewed Hal...
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Dear Friends, I am very happy to note that my crime-question about future did generate wide interest from all of you. Many replies have brought in new...
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1.  No.  As we march forward, new ways to commit crime (aided by continuously progressing sci and tech.) will be found.  However, parallely S&T will help us...
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Dr.Johnson C. Philip 1-The basic nature of man is not going to change for long time as genes take longer to incorporate changes .Therefore developments in S&T...
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Reema-  The evil and good spirits are just two faces of human persona -it depends a lot on the concerned society how to shape and cultivate that? We all have...
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The following is my attempt to answer parts of these large and difficult questions. 1. Why is it that we dream of a world free from ills, but that the world of...
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