Dear Gene,

I trust  you read this article of mine. If you haven't I request you
do. I talked to people at ISO, OpenOffice.org, Sun, IBM and Red Hat. I
also talked to Microsoft. So, I expect you to read it and then
comment, this is an important issue of our times.

Swapnil


--- In indiansciencefiction@..., Gene van Troyer
<gevantry@...> wrote:
>
> On 6/1/08 1:44 AM, "swapnil BHARTIYA" <arnieswap@...> wrote:
>
> >> I trust you, like me and others, must be using computers to create
> >> documents -- letters, stories, articles, etc. If you are using
Windows
> >> (which I don't use), you must be saving it in .doc format. Now, that
> >> format is being created using a proprietary technology of Microsoft.
> >> In future if Microsoft shuts down, you will not be able to access
that
> >> data. Someone will have to reverse engineer the fomat and see the
> >> data, and there can never be 100 % fidility in that. Now, look at
> >> governments which handle data in larger size....election commission
> >> has millions of active voters database. If that database is also in
> >> proprietary format, its a critical situation where the entire
database
> >> of a nation depends on the survival of a company. Which could not be
> >> accepted. However, this will give you clearer picture...
> >>
> In truth, there are many problems in recognizing any proprietary
software
> formats as acceptable international format standards. That is why
> governments and other public institutions should forego deploying any
> company¹s software for any public purpose unless that company guarantees
> that the formatting will be accessible by any OS platform. This
problem has
> been scandalous over the last few years, in as much as many
governments have
> signed agreements with Microsoft to install information sharing
systems on
> line that require the citizenry to use Microsoft products if they
wish to
> use government services on line. In the USA, Canada, and EU this has
sparked
> massive citizen protests and lawsuits, since governments that do
this are in
> effect telling citizens and other public institutions that they bust buy
> Microsoft products. This is nothing less than using taxpayer money to
> support a business monopoly.
>
> This is why the above named governments are being forced by its
citizens to
> to use Open Source information sharing systems which have formats
that work
> on any operating system such as Mac OSX, Linux, Windows, Solaris, OS/2,
> UNIX, and so on. While the operating systems themselves (except
Linux) are
> proprietary, Open Source formats are designed to work with all, of
them. In
> many countries, it has become illegal for taxpayer supported
institutions to
> continue using data sharing software that requires proprietary formats.
>
> Here in Japan, I am furious with the Japanese government around tax
time,
> because I cannot use online government services to handle tax
matters. The
> online systems are Windows-based and require citizens to use Windows
> software and Internet Explorer. This significantly complicates
procedures
> for me and tens of thousands of other citizens and residents of
Japan who
> feel that the government has no business telling us that we have
have to go
> out and buy Microsoft products. We quite rightly raise serious questions
> pertaining to collusion, graft, corruption, bribery, kickbacks, and
other
> actions on the part of public officials when it comes to Microsoft
and the
> proper use of taxpayer money.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gene van Troyer
>

Here in India while central government is not clear about which format
to go for (due to Microsoft pressure), many state governments have gone
to FOSS and GNU/Linux exclusively -- Kerala, Tamil Nadu and even Delhi
Government. But the employees or officers are still using Windows
because they don't want to spend few minutes in understanding the use of
Linux which is much more simpler and continue using Windows which
eventually gets paid by taxpayer's money.

However FOSS people are active in India and they will ensure that no
public data should be craeted using proprietary technologies. Let's hope
it happens.

Swapnil


--- In indiansciencefiction@..., Gene van Troyer
<gevantry@...> wrote:
>
> On 6/1/08 1:44 AM, "swapnil BHARTIYA" arnieswap@... wrote:
>
> >> I trust you, like me and others, must be using computers to create
> >> documents -- letters, stories, articles, etc. If you are using
Windows
> >> (which I don't use), you must be saving it in .doc format. Now,
that
> >> format is being created using a proprietary technology of
Microsoft.
> >> In future if Microsoft shuts down, you will not be able to access
that
> >> data. Someone will have to reverse engineer the fomat and see the
> >> data, and there can never be 100 % fidility in that. Now, look at
> >> governments which handle data in larger size....election commission
> >> has millions of active voters database. If that database is also in
> >> proprietary format, its a critical situation where the entire
database
> >> of a nation depends on the survival of a company. Which could not
be
> >> accepted. However, this will give you clearer picture...
> >>
> In truth, there are many problems in recognizing any proprietary
software
> formats as acceptable international format standards. That is why
> governments and other public institutions should forego deploying any
> company¹s software for any public purpose unless that company
guarantees
> that the formatting will be accessible by any OS platform. This
problem has
> been scandalous over the last few years, in as much as many
governments have
> signed agreements with Microsoft to install information sharing
systems on
> line that require the citizenry to use Microsoft products if they wish
to
> use government services on line. In the USA, Canada, and EU this has
sparked
> massive citizen protests and lawsuits, since governments that do this
are in
> effect telling citizens and other public institutions that they bust
buy
> Microsoft products. This is nothing less than using taxpayer money to
> support a business monopoly.
>
> This is why the above named governments are being forced by its
citizens to
> to use Open Source information sharing systems which have formats that
work
> on any operating system such as Mac OSX, Linux, Windows, Solaris,
OS/2,
> UNIX, and so on. While the operating systems themselves (except Linux)
are
> proprietary, Open Source formats are designed to work with all, of
them. In
> many countries, it has become illegal for taxpayer supported
institutions to
> continue using data sharing software that requires proprietary
formats.
>
> Here in Japan, I am furious with the Japanese government around tax
time,
> because I cannot use online government services to handle tax matters.
The
> online systems are Windows-based and require citizens to use Windows
> software and Internet Explorer. This significantly complicates
procedures
> for me and tens of thousands of other citizens and residents of Japan
who
> feel that the government has no business telling us that we have have
to go
> out and buy Microsoft products. We quite rightly raise serious
questions
> pertaining to collusion, graft, corruption, bribery, kickbacks, and
other
> actions on the part of public officials when it comes to Microsoft and
the
> proper use of taxpayer money.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gene van Troyer
>

Swapnil
Thanks a lot ,as you have elaborated the subject in a lucid way its now quite understandable.
It has ignited my interest in the subject.
Thanks again.
ml

On Sat, 31 May 2008 swapnil BHARTIYA wrote :
>Dear Mr Gupta.
>
>I trust you, like me and others, must be using computers to create
>documents -- letters, stories, articles, etc. If you are using Windows
>(which I don't use), you must be saving it in .doc format. Now, that
>format is being created using a proprietary technology of Microsoft.
>In future if Microsoft shuts down, you will not be able to access that
>data. Someone will have to reverse engineer the fomat and see the
>data, and there can never be 100 % fidility in that. Now, look at
>governments which handle data in larger size....election commission
>has millions of active voters database. If that database is also in
>proprietary format, its a critical situation where the entire database
>of a nation depends on the survival of a company. Which could not be
>accepted. However, this will give you clearer picture:
>
>Hypothesis 1: Year 2090
>The small pox epidemic breaks out in 2090 and people are dying. The
>disease was believed to have been eradicated in the 1980s. The
>government can control the situation but needs to look back at the
>data of 1984, the year the disease was overcome. But when health
>officials examine the pool of data, they find that it is encoded in a
>proprietary format that they cannot decode. By this time, the company
>that controlled the format has shut its business and ventured into
>other profitable
>domains. The company says that support for that format ended 60 years
>ago, and now they have no means to help. The government has the
>solution in its hands, but is unable to get to it to help the people.
>It watches helplessly as the epidemic spreads and peopledie. A nation
>that depended on proprietary technology becomes helpless.
>
>Fact 1: Year 1995
>Iran was pounded with US sanctions and all US-based companies were
>barred from operating in the country. The entire IT infrastructure
>that was dependent on US-based companies came to a halt. Basic
>facilities like railway ticket reservations, issuing and paying
>electric bills, as well as
>advanced services—everything came under siege. Since the companies
>could not offer any support or services, the country was left high and
>dry, as the technologies were proprietary and the most brilliant
>engineers could not do a thing. Then free software came to the rescue
>and a nation that had been brought to its knees, stood tall again.
>
>These two cases show how fatal it could be to depend on closed or
>proprietary technologies.
>
>The story deals with the issue of Microsoft coming out with a
>technology and misguiding everyone that it is open, thus its very
>important for governments to realise which technology to go for.
>
>The story deals with the same issue...
>
>hope it helps....
>
>Swapnil
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM, ML Gupta <mlguptavns@...> wrote:
> >  Swapnil
> > For a lay person in the field like me please introduce the subject first
> > with of course a brief commentary on  your stand on it and then may be an
> > interested guy  is lured to read  a pdf on it.
> > Would you deliver please ?
> > ml
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 31 May 2008 swapnil.bhartiya wrote :
> >
> >>Dear All
> >>
> >>This is a serious issue. This month I did a major story on Microsoft's
> >>OOXML format and the manner it got approved at ISO, which raises a lot
> >>of questions on ISO as a body itself. Also this story calls for
> >>government bodies to be more careful while picking up proprietary
> >>technologies.
> >>
> >>The story is attached at PDF. You can access this file at the URL:
> >>http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/indiansciencefiction/files/OOXML.pdf
> >>
> >>Swapnil Bhartiya
> >>Assistant Editor
> >>EFYTimes.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>--
>Swapnil Bhartiya
>Assistant Editor
>EFYTimes.com
>
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I trust you, like me and others, must be using computers to create
documents -- letters, stories, articles, etc. If you are using Windows
(which I don't use), you must be saving it in .doc format. Now, that
format is being created using a proprietary technology of Microsoft.
In future if Microsoft shuts down, you will not be able to access that
data. Someone will have to reverse engineer the fomat and see the
data, and there can never be 100 % fidility in that. Now, look at
governments which handle data in larger size....election commission
has millions of active voters database. If that database is also in
proprietary format, its a critical situation where the entire database
of a nation depends on the survival of a company. Which could not be
accepted. However, this will give you clearer picture...

Dear Mr Gupta.

I trust you, like me and others, must be using computers to create
documents -- letters, stories, articles, etc. If you are using Windows
(which I don't use), you must be saving it in .doc format. Now, that
format is being created using a proprietary technology of Microsoft.
In future if Microsoft shuts down, you will not be able to access that
data. Someone will have to reverse engineer the fomat and see the
data, and there can never be 100 % fidility in that. Now, look at
governments which handle data in larger size....election commission
has millions of active voters database. If that database is also in
proprietary format, its a critical situation where the entire database
of a nation depends on the survival of a company. Which could not be
accepted. However, this will give you clearer picture:

Hypothesis 1: Year 2090
The small pox epidemic breaks out in 2090 and people are dying. The
disease was believed to have been eradicated in the 1980s. The
government can control the situation but needs to look back at the
data of 1984, the year the disease was overcome. But when health
officials examine the pool of data, they find that it is encoded in a
proprietary format that they cannot decode. By this time, the company
that controlled the format has shut its business and ventured into
other profitable
domains. The company says that support for that format ended 60 years
ago, and now they have no means to help. The government has the
solution in its hands, but is unable to get to it to help the people.
It watches helplessly as the epidemic spreads and peopledie. A nation
that depended on proprietary technology becomes helpless.

Fact 1: Year 1995
Iran was pounded with US sanctions and all US-based companies were
barred from operating in the country. The entire IT infrastructure
that was dependent on US-based companies came to a halt. Basic
facilities like railway ticket reservations, issuing and paying
electric bills, as well as
advanced services—everything came under siege. Since the companies
could not offer any support or services, the country was left high and
dry, as the technologies were proprietary and the most brilliant
engineers could not do a thing. Then free software came to the rescue
and a nation that had been brought to its knees, stood tall again.

These two cases show how fatal it could be to depend on closed or
proprietary technologies.

The story deals with the issue of Microsoft coming out with a
technology and misguiding everyone that it is open, thus its very
important for governments to realise which technology to go for.

The story deals with the same issue...

hope it helps....

Swapnil




On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM, ML Gupta <mlguptavns@...> wrote:
>   Swapnil
> For a lay person in the field like me please introduce the subject first
> with of course a brief commentary on  your stand on it and then may be an
> interested guy  is lured to read  a pdf on it.
> Would you deliver please ?
> ml
>
>
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 swapnil.bhartiya wrote :
>
>>Dear All
>>
>>This is a serious issue. This month I did a major story on Microsoft's
>>OOXML format and the manner it got approved at ISO, which raises a lot
>>of questions on ISO as a body itself. Also this story calls for
>>government bodies to be more careful while picking up proprietary
>>technologies.
>>
>>The story is attached at PDF. You can access this file at the URL:
>>http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/indiansciencefiction/files/OOXML.pdf
>>
>>Swapnil Bhartiya
>>Assistant Editor
>>EFYTimes.com
>>
>>
>
>
>



--
Swapnil Bhartiya
Assistant Editor
EFYTimes.com

*I use LINUX, what do you use? *

  Swapnil
For a lay person in the field like me please introduce the subject first with of course a brief commentary on  your stand on it and then may be an interested guy  is lured to read  a pdf on it.
Would you deliver please ?
ml


On Sat, 31 May 2008 swapnil.bhartiya wrote :
>Dear All
>
>This is a serious issue. This month I did a major story on Microsoft's
>OOXML format and the manner it got approved at ISO, which raises a lot
>of questions on ISO as a body itself. Also this story calls for
>government bodies to be more careful while picking up proprietary
>technologies.
>
>The story is attached at PDF. You can access this file at the URL:
>http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/indiansciencefiction/files/OOXML.pdf
>
>Swapnil Bhartiya
>Assistant Editor
>EFYTimes.com
>
>

Dear All

This is a serious issue. This month I did a major story on Microsoft's
OOXML format and the manner it got approved at ISO, which raises a lot
of questions on ISO as a body itself. Also this story calls for
government bodies to be more careful while picking up proprietary
technologies.

The story is attached at PDF. You can access this file at the URL:
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/indiansciencefiction/files/OOXML.pdf

Swapnil Bhartiya
Assistant Editor
EFYTimes.com

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Friends,

There appears to be no dissent till now on the issue of the 'first Indian  sf story ' as specified by me in the previous post.

It appears then that  Hindi serial  sf ,'The Aaschrya Vrittant -'A Strange Tale '[1884-1888] by Ambika Datt Vyas definitely enjoys the status of being the first Indian sf story.

SF writing in many other Indian languages seems to have been initiated much later.In Malayalam for instance sf writing appears to have  been initiated since 1950,with the initiative taken by Keral Sastra Sahity Parishad-a most   respected autonomous body of science popularization in India.

Similarly,Assamese language with its very laudable role and history in science writings stepped into the arena of sf writing in the late 1930's.

Kannada follows almost similar suite which is stated to be in sf writing since 1940's with the advent of Dr.Sadanand Nayak with his famous sf love story employing a plot on heart transplant.

In Marathi too though SF writing started late around 1910 with the publication of a translation of Verne's  'Men in the Moon' serialized in a magazine named 'Kerala Kokil' printed and published in Cochin,it enjoys a coveted -very rich contemporary status in sf writings in  India.

In yet another prominent Indian Language ,Tamil the history of sf writing could be traced  back to 1959,of course a very late beginning, in writings of a great poet[Mhakavi],C.Subramania Bhartiya whose story entitled ,'Kakkai Parliament[Parliament of the crows] has some sf elements.

Having presented this account I am tempted to conclude that Hindi ,the lingua franca of India evidently took a leading role in sf writing but what is it's  present scenario is altogether a different story -to be narrated at some other time and space.

arvind

Thanks Gene for cautioning.  There are several like this running (one is on poetry where almost every poem makes to the final round and the prospective poet is tempeted to buy the book.  And you never know, the pound 100 may not go to anyone at all.  Sincerely  CM Nautiyal  CMN

Hi Everybody,
Films are for entertainment and  not  to teach science.More ever films have made a great contribution in popularizing sf however diluted.
ML


On Wed, 21 May 2008 Arvind Mishra wrote :
>Dear CMN
>Thanks for the nice gesture,
>Much has been already deliberated on
>the subject.This form of EYE SCI FI should not be taken
>seriously as their sole aim is to earn money-big money only.They are to
>apply all the formulas to make the films a big box office hit
>masquerading in the name of sci fi since big money is also involved in making of such films. How one can dare,even think of taking any choices !
>Thanks again for keeping me
>awake.
>arvind mishra
>--- On
>Tue, 20/5/08, CHANDRA MOHAN NAUTIYAL
><cmnautiyal@yahoo.
>co.uk>
>wrote:
> From: CHANDRA MOHAN NAUTIYAL <cmnautiyal@yahoo.
>co.uk>
>Subject: [indianscienceficti
>on] Re: Science fiction books vis-
>  a'- vis  Sci-fi films
>To: indiansciencefictio
>n@yahoogroups.
>co.in
>Date: Tuesday, 20 May, 2008, 3:42 PM
>Dear friends,
>
>Sorry to wake up from the summer siesta.
>
>This has been the longest lull in my memory on this forum.  It's time it rocks again.  Here is an extract from an article of Jim Burge in Interdiscipinary Science reviews, 2002, Vol. 227, p.-165- 168 for your comments:
>
>On page 166, Burge writes:
>
>Science fiction literature, at its best, performs social and philosophical thought experiments, and often involves genuine scientific ideas.  When the genre becomes film, the science seems to get filtered out.  The best that can be hoped for is a single quasi scientific conceit, a what if scenario something like 'suppose someone started making undetectable robots' ('Blade runner'), 'suppose someone used genetic engineering to recreate dinosaurs ('Jurrasic Park'), 'suppose we made contact with a nice extra terrestrial civiisation' ,  or 'suppose we made contact with some nasty extra terrestrial intelligence' ('ET').  Beyond this, the script writer fight shy of followig through the scietific implications of their hypotheses.  The story works itself out well or badly witout any further scientific understanding which might underlie the world in which the characters find themselves.themselv es.
>
>lllustrating with "The Beautiful Mind', Burge adds that 'game theory doesn't constitute a strcutured element of the plot' and that 'films which seem at first to be about science usually turnout on further investigation to be about something else'.
>
>
>On p. 167:
>
>Writer believes that Crichton's book was much better than the Jurrasic Pak film.  It happened 'despite the fact that he himself was the scriptwriter and he is no mean director himself'!'
>
>He says, 'scratch a film which seems to have a scientific content and you will find nothing but a different genre in disguise'. It is as if laws of nature come in the way of good story telling.'
>
>He further writes, 'The failure to respond to science does seem to be specific to film: books (and indeed theatre) have a more creditable record.'
>
>These should provide enough food forthought and comments.
>
>Wake up please.
>
>CMN
>
>
>Dr. Chandra Mohan Nautiyal
>MSc (UOR/IIT-R); PhD (PRL/ GU); FGS (I); F-NCSTC-NW; Member Executive, Vigyan Parishad
>
>Scientist-in- Charge, Radiocarbon Lab.
>Geophysical and Geochemical Investigations in Relation to Quaternary Palaeoclimate Reconstruction
>BSIP, 53, University Road, Lucknow- 226007.  INDIA
>Phone :
>0522-2712218 (Res), 2740008, 2740011 (Off),      Mob : 091-09415107078
>
>http://www.geocitie s.com/cmnautiyal /cmnautiyal. html
>
>--- On
>Mon, 12/5/08, arvind mishra
><drarvind3@gmail. com>
>wrote:
> From: arvind mishra <drarvind3@gmail. com>
>Subject: Re: [indianscienceficti on] Science Communication Journal
>To: indiansciencefictio n@yahoogroups. co.in
>Date: Monday, 12 May, 2008, 5:52 PM
>A great site indeed.Congrats for your coming article ...
>And thanks for forum's mention...
>regards,
>arvind
>2008/5/12 CHANDRA MOHAN NAUTIYAL <
>cmnautiyal@yahoo. co.uk
>>:
>Dear Friends,
>
>Recently I came across a journal of science communication 'JCOM' which is published (online) from Italy quarterly with editors from several countries (Italy, Brazil, Argentina and France).
>
>The journal is free to access and is indexed in several reference works.
>
>The links are
>
>JCOM
>Journal of Science Communication
>http://jcom. sissa.it
>SISSA
>e-mail:
>jcom-eo@jcom. sissa.it
>
>All its previous issues are avialable online.
>
>Similarly Indian Journal of Science Communication is also free to access online and old issues are also available.
>
>Those interested may consult these.  A paper of mine is due to appear in the former inissue to be published on 21st of June. Therein our forum and our effort of writing a joint science ficion is mentioned too.
>
>CMN
>Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage.
>Get it now
>--
>arvind mishra
>Bring your gang together. Do your thing.
>Find your favourite Yahoo! Group.
> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.
>Click here.
>

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