From: arvind mishra <drarvind3@...>
Subject: Re: [indiansciencefiction] Re: Arvind Mishraji's note appears in today's issue of SF Signal's MIND-MELD
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Friday, 3 July, 2009, 2:43 PM

Dr.Nautiyal ji
<http://www.sfsignal .com/archives/ 2009/07/mind- meld-guide- to-international -sff-part- ii/>

It's the last entry.

2009/7/3 CHANDRA MOHAN NAUTIYAL <cmnautiyal@yahoo. co.uk>

I couldn't get the context.  Please attach the relevant earliermail so that it becomes easier.   CMN --- On Fri, 3/7/09, arvind mishra <drarvind3@gmail. com> wrote: From: arvind mishra <drarvind3@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [indianscienceficti on] Re: Arvind Mishraji's note appears in today's issue of SF Signal's MIND-MELD To: indiansciencefictio n@yahoogroups. co.in Date: Friday, 3 July, 2009, 5:38 AM A grand idea Adam,this is one of my dreams too and let us work together to achieve this ,We could sit separtely and chart out the modalities.When visiting India next?Great works should begin from the soil where the great idea emerged from (ha ha ) arvind 2009/7/2 mradamlaw <nakedlaw@gmail. com> Oh and, I'm not sure sure if this went without saying, we would also use Science Fiction to teach scientific concepts in the book/textbook. Adam

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From: arvind mishra <drarvind3@...>
Subject: Re: [indiansciencefiction] Re: Arvind Mishraji's note appears in today's issue of SF Signal's MIND-MELD
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Friday, 3 July, 2009, 5:38 AM

A grand idea Adam,this is one of my dreams too and let us work together to achieve this ,We could sit separtely and chart out the modalities.When visiting India next?Great works should begin from the soil where the great idea emerged from (ha ha )
arvind

2009/7/2 mradamlaw <nakedlaw@gmail. com>

Oh and, I'm not sure sure if this went without saying, we would also use Science Fiction to teach scientific concepts in the book/textbook.

Adam

From: tinkoo <tinkoo420@...>
Subject: [indiansciencefiction] Mentions of "Indian Science Fiction Writers Association" & "Vigyan Katha" in yesterday's Strange Horizons
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 8:30 PM

<http://www.strangeh orizons.com/ reviews/2009/ 06/beyond_ balram_s. shtml>

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From: tinkoo <tinkoo420@...>
Subject: [indiansciencefiction] Mentions of "Indian Science Fiction Writers Association" & "Vigyan Katha" in yesterday's Strange Horizons
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 8:30 PM

<http://www.strangeh orizons.com/ reviews/2009/ 06/beyond_ balram_s. shtml>

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From: Unmukt <unmukt.s@...>
Subject: [indiansciencefiction] Re: Addressing an extraterrestrial
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 9:54 AM

This also reminds me the plaque send along with Pioneer-10 and Pioneer-11 that had pictures and distance from the center of the galaxy and pulsars in binary notation. Pictures could be best form of communication of course it presumes that the extra-terrestrial have eyes to see it. The information about the plaque may be seen at
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pioneer_plaque

--- In indiansciencefictio n@yahoogroups. co.in, tinkoo <tinkoo420@. ..> wrote:
>
> You'll get a better clue to communicating with aliens if you do a couple
> of thought experiments:
> a. How will you communicate with a jelly fish?
> b. How will you communicate with a termite colony?
>
> Communicating with many aliens, if they are indeed there, is likely to
> be a few orders of magnitude more difficult. In a lot of cases of
> human/alien communications in fiction, point of the story is something
> else. You might, e.g., want to write a politically sensitive story about
> current violence in Bengal & replace CPM, Trinamool, Naxalites, Congress
> & local cops with various alien factions where the protagonist is a
> human caught in the conflict that has come to his village. There are a
> lot of other reasons to use aliens, but their use in otherwise
> uncomfortable stories is quite common.
>
> A few well known stories that do look at the raw issue of communicating
> with aliens:
>
> * Stanislaw Lem's "Solaris" (novel): How do you even open a conversation
> with a sentient ocean? Where are its hearing organs? Your only clue to
> the fact that it's intelligent is the phenomenon occurring around it
> that it is obviously influencing or designing.
>
> * Terry Carr's "The Dance of the Changer and the Three" (ss): Aliens &
> their motives can be completely incomprehensible to humans, even AFTER
> communication channels have been opened somehow. On first reading, I
> didn't think much of it. After a couple of months of reading, I began to
> get the point of this famous story. It's online:
> <http://www.scifi. com/scifiction/ classics/ classics_ archive/carr/ carr1.html>
>
> * Olaf Stapledon's "Star Maker" (novel): I've only partially read it.
> Each chapter is a novella, & author uses magic for star travel & setting
> up communications with many kinds of aliens during the travels of
> protagonist. But try thinking about how to set up communications with
> any of those aliens using rational means at your disposal? It's a very
> old book (but a very highly regarded one) & might be online (I don't
> have URL though).
>
> "Can we take it granted that they will understand English or so to say
> any prevailing language of our earth?": First time I traveled to
> Muzzaffarnagar in UP, I thought I was talking to aliens. And I do speak
> Hindi. It took a while to figure out that even request there could sound
> like altercation to someone not used to locale. I was still very young
> then & wasn't an experienced traveler yet, but you get the point?
>
> arvind dubey wrote:
> > Respected Unmukt Ji
> >
> > An important question before this is "In which language you will greet
> > them?" Can we take it granted that they will understand English or so to
> > say any prevailing language of our earth? How we will communicate with
> > them. Up to best of my knowledge present Sf writers have not considered
> > this issue seriously (Senior Sf writers/ activist, pls. enlighten me).
> > Aliens in their story may be seen communicating not only in Hindi or
> > English but even in local dialects of these language. We have to think
> > seriously over this issue. For this we have to understand speech, its
> > components, its development, how we utter consonant and bowels,
> > formation of speech at neuron level etc. In one of my SF story (LAUT AAO
> > NINIO) I tried to touch this issue on individual neuron/ nerve ending
> > level. Can we place this issue on this forum for further discussion?
>
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From: tinkoo <tinkoo420@...>
Subject: Re: [indiansciencefiction] Addressing an extraterrestrial
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Friday, 19 June, 2009, 8:21 AM

You'll get a better clue to communicating with aliens if you do a couple
of thought experiments:
a. How will you communicate with a jelly fish?
b. How will you communicate with a termite colony?

Communicating with many aliens, if they are indeed there, is likely to
be a few orders of magnitude more difficult. In a lot of cases of
human/alien communications in fiction, point of the story is something
else.. You might, e.g., want to write a politically sensitive story about
current violence in Bengal & replace CPM, Trinamool, Naxalites, Congress
& local cops with various alien factions where the protagonist is a
human caught in the conflict that has come to his village. There are a
lot of other reasons to use aliens, but their use in otherwise
uncomfortable stories is quite common.

A few well known stories that do look at the raw issue of communicating
with aliens:

* Stanislaw Lem's "Solaris" (novel): How do you even open a conversation
with a sentient ocean? Where are its hearing organs? Your only clue to
the fact that it's intelligent is the phenomenon occurring around it
that it is obviously influencing or designing..

* Terry Carr's "The Dance of the Changer and the Three" (ss): Aliens &
their motives can be completely incomprehensible to humans, even AFTER
communication channels have been opened somehow. On first reading, I
didn't think much of it. After a couple of months of reading, I began to
get the point of this famous story. It's online:
<http://www.scifi. com/scifiction/ classics/ classics_ archive/carr/ carr1.html>

* Olaf Stapledon's "Star Maker" (novel): I've only partially read it.
Each chapter is a novella, & author uses magic for star travel & setting
up communications with many kinds of aliens during the travels of
protagonist. But try thinking about how to set up communications with
any of those aliens using rational means at your disposal? It's a very
old book (but a very highly regarded one) & might be online (I don't
have URL though).

"Can we take it granted that they will understand English or so to say
any prevailing language of our earth?": First time I traveled to
Muzzaffarnagar in UP, I thought I was talking to aliens. And I do speak
Hindi. It took a while to figure out that even request there could sound
like altercation to someone not used to locale. I was still very young
then & wasn't an experienced traveler yet, but you get the point?

arvind dubey wrote:
> Respected Unmukt Ji
>
> An important question before this is "In which language you will greet
> them?" Can we take it granted that they will understand English or so to
> say any prevailing language of our earth? How we will communicate with
> them. Up to best of my knowledge present Sf writers have not considered
> this issue seriously (Senior Sf writers/ activist, pls. enlighten me).
> Aliens in their story may be seen communicating not only in Hindi or
> English but even in local dialects of these language. We have to think
> seriously over this issue. For this we have to understand speech, its
> components, its development, how we utter consonant and bowels,
> formation of speech at neuron level etc. In one of my SF story (LAUT AAO
> NINIO) I tried to touch this issue on individual neuron/ nerve ending
> level. Can we place this issue on this forum for further discussion?

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An important question before this is "In which language you will greet them?" Can we take it granted that they will understand English or so to say any prevailing language of our earth? How we will communicate with them. Up to best of my knowledge present Sf writers have not considered this issue seriously (Senior Sf writers/ activist, pls. enlighten me). Aliens in their story may be seen communicating not only in Hindi or English but even in local dialects of these language. We have to think seriously over this issue. For this we have to understand speech, its components, its development, how we utter consonant and bowels, formation of speech at neuron level etc. In one of my SF story (LAUT AAO NINIO) I tried to touch this issue on individual neuron/ nerve ending level. Can we place this issue on this forum for further discussion?

arvind dubey

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From: Unmukt <unmukt.s@...>
Subject: [indiansciencefiction] Addressing an extraterrestrial
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:40 AM

How do you greet an extraterrestrial? What should be appropriate greetings? If you are keen or would like to contribute read here
http://www.latimes. com/news/ nationworld/ nation/la- sci-aliens7- 2009jun07, 0,500345. story
My only hope is they are not like the ones in the 'War of the World' or 'Independence Day'.

From: Dr. RPRaman <rpraman1@...>
Subject: [indiansciencefiction] Celebrating Darwin
To: indiansciencefiction@...
Date: Wednesday, 17 June, 2009, 11:50 AM

It was heartening to note that a top US University is celebrating 150 years of Darwin in a year round celebration. Darwin was no ordinary human being. He proved to be the Mount Everest among all the scientists mounts of his time and thereafter as well. He is one of greatest biologists of all times. He is the fulcrum around which entire theory of "Eovolution of Species" revolves.

Let's celebrate the life and times and acievements of this extraordinary human being.

(rpr)