Will You Fry Your Dosa, Vada & Parantha In Gutter Oil?

 

Dear Nandkumar,

I would like to inform you that there is lot of oil in our gutter flows or sewerage. It will be very economical to extract oil there in. You can get very high carbon credits also for it will reduce methane emissions.

 

You are promoting “Poisonous Weed, Its Oil Could Be Adulterant In Vegetable Oils For Human Consumption & Diverting Edible Oils To Run Cars Of The Rich”. Once the prime “Edibles Oils” are bought by the rich nations – Masses in India may have to use “Gutter Oil To Fry Dosa, Vada & Patarantha and For Cooking Biryani, Curries etc.) Soya Bean and Rapeseed/ Mustard are directly used in cars in USA/ EU. India imports 5 MT of edible oils.

 

It is shocking that Satish Lele who lives in Navi Mumbai has assumed Rs. 250/- per hectare (10,000 sq.meter) as annual lease for the land, even if it is barren land.

 

http://www.svlele.com/jatropha.xls

 

Let me give simple to understand description- the following project plans to acquire 1000 hectares of land or 10 square kilometers for just Rs. 250,000 only- or 5-10 villages for Rs.2.5 lakh only ($6000 annual lease)

 

Friends can have an idea of the fraud that is going to happen. In Delhi we have nuisance of “Sanik” farms built on village land acquired cheaply, but in Maharashtra and few other states, unscrupulous people will acquire government or panchyat land for pittance and build their “Farm Houses”.

 

On going through the project report I concluded the promoters knew nothing of “Farming or Agriculture”. Cost of seed collection is computed to be Rs.18,750 per hectare. Or Rs. 10,000/- per ton is case in point.

 

Yield of 7500 kg per hectare is (line 39) will not be possible even in Punjab. Barren waste-lands will not yield even 2000 kg per hectare. Cost of tube-well is charged (Pumps) Rs. 1.50,000/- that will install just one tube-well. (Line 68)

 

I have also considered “300 sq. meter of water tank” to cost Rs. 75,000/- only, (Line 102) I don’t think such a small tank could irrigate 10 million square meter plantations. But will just suit a farmhouse only- the real intensions of the promoters. 

 

The promoters contribution is Rs.6.7million (Line 74) the cost of a two bed room flat in Mumbai and 4 bed room flat in Delhi, promoter wants to acquire land equal to 5-10 villages.

 

He could than divide it into hundred 10 hectares plots and sub lease it for Rs. 1 crore each or Rs. 100 crores for indefinite period. 

 

Obviously Politicians and Public servants are “Whole Heartily Promoting It”.

 

I am ready to give Rs.1000/- per hectare annual lease for 1000 Hectare to 10, 000 Hectare plantation project.

 

Ravinder Singh

 

 "Nandkumar" <nandup_in@...> --------

 

Hello Friends,
This may be interesting to note.
Nandkumar

Dear Prathamesh Deshpande

In the meantime I learned to know that straight vegetable oil (SVO) is used in India for rural power supply (see
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/discovery/svo.html *) and Southern Indian Railways runs some jeeps with SVO, too

(http://www.pcra-biofuels.org/ gives a good overview of running activities). Several thousand cars are running on SVO in Germany. Our company car equipped with a pre-heating devise (alternative to the two tank system) to lower the viscosity runs very well. I was just on the road with a colleague having 50% biodiesel and 50% SVO in the tank - without any alternation. There are several SVO "gaz stations" in Germany, and we think of opening one soon. Here, biodiesel costs about 1 Euro/liter (ca. 54 Rs, cheaper than fossil diesel, as there
are no fossil-fuel-taxes on biodiesel), rapeseed oil is available in large quantity for 0,6 Euro and is sold at the gaz station for about 0,8 Euro (fossil diesel about 1,2 Euro). It's just fun to save money like that, and at the same time drive "climate neutral". Jatropha oil from an Indian Supplier was offered for 45 Rs/liter ** -
which is more expensive than the oil we are currently using, but prices will come down with "professional" large scale Jatropha cultivation. Project calculation on
http://www.svlele.com/jatropha.xls assumes 20 Rs/liter, so it is wise of the Indian Railway to do some tests now and start cultivation. The operation may not be economic at the moment, but delivers important experience for a promising business in the future. Because one thing
is for sure: fossil fuel will get more expensive before Jatropha
plantation reach maturity in 4 to 5 years.

Best regards
Henry Studer

*"In a warm country like India, use of SVO in applications like gen-sets will cause no harm. In critical applications like running jeeps, tractors etc however it may be wise to use a two tank system, ..."

**"We expect rate of jatropha oil would be below the price of rape seeds oil by 2006 but at present due to gap between demand and supply it is available @45RS/LITRE."-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: India_bio_fuels@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:India_bio_fuels@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Prathamesh
Deshpande Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Oktober 2005 11:57
An: India_bio_fuels@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [India_bio_fuels] why is refining of seed oil required?


Hi Friends,

Thanks Heini Studer for bringing the question back to the group. Well, I got the answer for the same question. Why cant seeds oil be directly used in engines and has to be refined? The answer is as follows:

Using seeds oil directly in the engine will have problems like start ability, ignition, piston ring sticking, fuel filter pluggung, deposit formation etc...

This is because seeds oil itself is highly viscous and extremely volatile. Hence it is not compatible with diesel.

Regards

Prathamesh Deshpande

Heini Studer <hstuder@...> wrote:
Dear bio fuel colleagues, dear Prathamesh

It looks like no one so far has answered the question of Prathamesh regarding the sense of refining.

I am a young Swiss industrial engineer, working for a German company mainly
working on solar energy technologies. We recently alternated one of our
company cars on pure plant oil fuel (using rapeseed-oil, as used as base for
biodiesel in Germany). We think of expanding our activities for bio fuels, but asking the same question as Prathamish: Why do we have to refine?

Vishal Mehta lanced the discussion regarding scale of production. Refining
is the only thing, which requests central and capital intensive
processing. Certainly we are aware of the difference of pure plant (/vegetable)
oil and refined bio diesel; as I understand, it’s mainly a question of viscosity. As the diesel engines do not like the viscose plant oil at cold
temperatures, it is made "more liquid" by refining. But experience shows that
mixing 20% pure plant oil with diesel allows driving even in the cold German
winter. A small preheating device allows driving with 100% pure plant oil.
Regarding the warm temperatures in India, I guess there should be fewer problems in India. We only have experience regarding rapeseed oil and used frying-oil.

We would like to make engine tests with pure Jatropha oil. We hope Jatropha cultivation in India would require less energy (and capital) than rapeseed in Germany. Anyway, avoiding refining saves capital and energy. Does anyone have more info on pure plant oil fuels? We are looking for about 100 L of Jatropha oil for engine testing.

So far we have found the following providers or promoters of Jatropha oil:
www.svlele.com (Excellent site, there's a list of suppliers. Someone mentioned to invite him to our forum. Actually his page made me aware of the India_bio_fuel newsgroup, as you may subscribe on his page.)
www.jatrophaworld.org (Jatropha promotion center, supply seeds, good
page) www.biodieseltoday.com (looks quite professional, but they ask
incredible prices for seeds and oil)

Any other good links? I have started a "database" (bio fuel links) on our yahoogroup-site. Please add your links. The project of Daimler Chrysler
sounds interesting, but I keep asking: Why centralized, energy and capital-intensive diesel production? I prefer the simple plant oil: We do not need a
capital and energy intensive industry, but can supply decentral with simple means. The challenge is financing and coordinating the cultivation and the
distribution/marketing of the oil. I am more than happy to support all engagement in this direction.

I believe bio fuels could be a much larger chance for the Indian economy
than the "IT-boom". Not only a few percent high educated can profit of it,
but the large rural population. Instead of importing expensive fossil fuel,
self-sufficiency in fuel provides decentral employment. Therewith, raising
oil prices will not jeopardize the energy demanding economy but raise
the attractiveness of bio fuels. Because of high taxes of fossil fuels, pure
plant oil in the tank is less expensive than diesel.

Best regards, I look forward on interesting response from India!

Henry Studer

(P.S.: I was working in Pune, Maharashtra, for 2 month, see my
webpage on
http://n.ethz.ch/student/hestuder/indien/indien.html. But still I
have to learn a lot from this impressive land. If you want to learn to know
about our solar technologiy, see www.sunvention.com)

----- Original Message -----
From: Prathamesh Deshpande
To: India_bio_fuels@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: [India_bio_fuels] refining of seeds oil


Dear Sir's,

What is the difference between the oil that is extracted from the seeds and
the oil that is refined from the extracted oil?

Also I read an article saying that we can use both of the above mentioned
oils in combination with diesel, so why do we have to refine it.

Regards

Prathamesh

 --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Prathamesh Deshpande <dprathamesh@...>
An: India_bio_fuels@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [India_bio_fuels] New member
Datum: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:56:40 -0700 (PDT)

Hi to all,

Latest news about bio diesel is that a UK based firm D1 Oils Plc is
commissioning its bio diesel refinery in Chennai in a years time.

Also IOC has entered the market along with Indian Railways for production of bio fuels. In fact IR has already started using about 5%BD in their locomotives. They have already planted Jatropha seeds for large-scale production which will give yield in @ a couple of years.

As far as the Gov. policies go even I am unaware of the concessions or the benefits one will get from them.

Pls. let me know the Gov policies for the promotion of BD.

Also I am planning to plant seeds of Jatropha in Maharashtra. Could anyone tell me any suppliers for the same?

Thanks and Regards

Prathamesh Deshpande