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#376 From: "Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...>
Date:: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:05 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Mail Server
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During the OS installation, all packages were installed with RPM packages. And this re-compilation is possible, only in case, if you have installed the packages with source codes. Hence you need to uninstall (erase) concerned RPMs, and compile (install with) source codes (TARs - available on the respective official websites).
 
This is the drawback of RPM, its too hard to change once installed. Source code installation is very much customizeable, even anytime after the installation. First 2-3 times, you'll feel it difficult but with the passage of time and use, you'll feel this more convenience and useful than RPMs.
 
This is the game of just 3-4 commands:
./configure..........................................
make
make install
daemon (start/stop/restart...)
Try it...
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep


Vipin Kumar Singla <look_vip@...> wrote:
Hi everybdy

I hav configured sendmail mail server. Now squirrel mail (Client) is
also working properly with this server. But i want to make my own
customized interface rather than squirrelmail. So i got a tutorial in
an e-book. The tutorial is given ahead. Now the problem is that i hav
php already installed on my linux machine and according to tutorial i
need to compile the php again. But i don't know how.
I am using RHEL 4 and php is installed at the time wen linux was
installed.



Tutorial :


IMAP, POP3 and NNTP functions
Introduction

These functions are not limited to the IMAP protocol, despite their
name. The underlying c-client library also supports NNTP, POP3 and
local mailbox access methods.
Requirements

This extension requires the c-client library to be installed. Grab the
latest version from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/ and compile it.

You have to copy some files to make sure they are in your link path
(e.g.: /usr/local/lib/) and include directory (e.g.:
/usr/local/include). The files to copy can be found in the source tree
under imap-200x/c-lient after a succesfull run of make. Copy
c-client.a to /usr/local/lib/libc-client.a or some other directory on
your link path.

Note: Make sure c-client.a ends up in your link path under the
name libc-client.a.

Copy the following files to /usr/local/include or some other directory
in your include path.

c-client.h
imap4r1.h
rfc822.h
mail.h
linkage.h
env.h
env_unix.h
fs.h
ftl.h
misc.h
nntp.h
nl.h
osdep.h
smtp.h
tcp.h

Note: The name of env_unix.h depends on your OS. Make sure to copy
this files with following symlinks option. To build the c-client
library with SSL or/and Kerberos support read the docs supplied with
the package.

(I have done upto here only. Problem begins from onwards)

Installation

To get these functions to work, you have to compile PHP with
--with-imap=[DIR], where DIR is the c-client install prefix.

Note: Depending how the c-client was configured, you might also
need to add --with-imap-ssl=/path/to/openssl/ and/or
--with-kerberos=/path/to/kerberos into the PHP configure line.



I don't know how to do installation step. Please Help me.

Vipin Kumar Singla
UIET, PU, Chandigarh






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#375 From: "Vipin Kumar Singla" <look_vip@...>
Date:: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:45 am
Subject:: [Help Reqd] Mail Server
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Hi everybdy

I hav configured sendmail mail server. Now squirrel mail (Client) is
also working properly with this server. But i want to make my own
customized interface rather than squirrelmail. So i got a tutorial in
an e-book. The tutorial is given ahead. Now the problem is that i hav
php already installed on my linux machine and according to tutorial i
need to compile the php again. But i don't know how.
I am using RHEL 4 and php is installed at the time wen linux was
installed.



Tutorial :


IMAP, POP3 and NNTP functions
Introduction

These functions are not limited to the IMAP protocol, despite their
name. The underlying c-client library also supports NNTP, POP3 and
local mailbox access methods.
Requirements

This extension requires the c-client library to be installed. Grab the
latest version from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/ and compile it.

You have to copy some files to make sure they are in your link path
(e.g.: /usr/local/lib/) and include directory (e.g.:
/usr/local/include). The files to copy can be found in the source tree
under imap-200x/c-lient after a succesfull run of make. Copy
c-client.a to /usr/local/lib/libc-client.a or some other directory on
your link path.

     Note: Make sure c-client.a ends up in your link path under the
name libc-client.a.

Copy the following files to /usr/local/include or some other directory
in your include path.

c-client.h
imap4r1.h
rfc822.h
mail.h
linkage.h
env.h
env_unix.h
fs.h
ftl.h
misc.h
nntp.h
nl.h
osdep.h
smtp.h
tcp.h

     Note: The name of env_unix.h depends on your OS. Make sure to copy
this files with following symlinks option. To build the c-client
library with SSL or/and Kerberos support read the docs supplied with
the package.

(I have done upto here only. Problem begins from onwards)

Installation

To get these functions to work, you have to compile PHP with
--with-imap=[DIR], where DIR is the c-client install prefix.

     Note: Depending how the c-client was configured, you might also
need to add --with-imap-ssl=/path/to/openssl/ and/or
--with-kerberos=/path/to/kerberos into the PHP configure line.



I don't know how to do installation step. Please Help me.

Vipin Kumar Singla
UIET, PU, Chandigarh

#374 From: LinuxAsia Tux <linuxasia_tux@...>
Date:: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:09 pm
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#373 From: "Vipin Kumar Singla" <look_vip@...>
Date:: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:05 am
Subject:: Sendmail Configurations
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Hi Everybdy

I hav configured sendmail by studying the chapter given on

http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch21_:_Configuri\
ng_Linux_Mail_Servers


This is a very good site for beginners and everything is clearly
mentioned in this page.

Bye

Vipin Kumar Singla
UIET, PU, Chandigarh

#372 From: Jon Davidson <jodvds@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:11 pm
Subject:: Re: MuLinux and Lapton Linux and a Doubt
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I don't know the answer to your other questions, but
to the best of my knowledge the Linux kernel is almost
exactly the size of one floppy.
Maybe this sounds ignorant, but maybe you could save
time by going to the
kernel archive and downloading an older and smaller
kernel. That way it's
guaranteed stable by much testing.

Cheers,
Jonathan

--- Crazy Boy <crazymoonboy@...> wrote:

>     Hi,
>
>   Before reading this mail, please open and read
> http://mulinux.dotsrc.org website.
>
>   1) I am working with a project. That project deals
> with C/Linux programming with Framebuffer support.
> Now, I want to strip down the Linux with minimal
> commands with Framebuffer support (As Lapton Linux)
> into one floppy. And then, I have to run my
> Framebuffer based application or program, which is
> written in C language from another floppy. How can I
> do this?
>
>   2) I observed these below mentioned features in
> MuLinux and Lapton Linux packages. Those are:
>            a) MuLinux with Gcc, X11 .... is very
> good, but without framebuffer support.
>            b) Lapton Floppy Linux with framebuffer
> support is also very good, but  with out
>                  Gcc.
>
>   3) How can I use Lapton Floppy Linux with Gcc
> support?
>
>   4) How can I run my simple C program with
> framebuffer support using your Lapton
>     Floppy Linux.
>
>   5) Please let me know about .raw file, which is
> contained in your MuLinux Floppy and
>     Lapton Linux Floppy.
>
>   6) How can I extract the .raw file contents?
>
>   7) How can I make a .raw file?
>
>   Please tell me. I will be eagarly waiting for your
> reply.
>
>   Thanking you.
>
>   With regards,
> Chandra.
>
>
>
>
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#371 From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 3:46 am
Subject:: LUGs, FSUGs, GLUGs... vital to the movement
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LUGs, FSUGs, GLUGs... vital to the movement
-------------------------------------------

By Frederick Noronha

Someone once again asked, recently, that ever-so-important
question. How do you start and run an active user-group?
Without exaggeration, the GLUG (GNU/Linux User Group), FSUG
(Free Software User Group) or LUG (Linux User Group) is vital
to the Free Software movement in India.

It's not enough just to have a user-group that is premised on
a what's-in-it-for-me approach. Going to LUG meetings to
learn is fine; but unless we actively and aggressively promote
the values of sharing, we can't really expect much. We need
to share not just software, but also knowledge and
information... and, above all, a helpful attitude.

We seen it happen with some of India's groups. After growing
upto a point, a lot of the members get more caught up with
their own high-pressure work, and their lives. After some
time, a user-group that is built largely on getting the most
value for oneself isn't sustainable. So a user-group with a
lot of tech gurus and little of a spirit to share is doomed.

That, to one's mind, is the difference between the Free BSD,
the Open Source, and the Free Software movements. Free BSD
is technically excellent; but with its limited emphasis on
building community, is it any wonder why it has so few
adhere ants even in a country of one-billion plus? Open Source
tends to focus more on the argument of technical excellence.
So, is it accidental that building a sharing culture -- where
people feel strongly about the "ethics" and politics of
software -- takes a back seat? To one's mind, where we have
reached has depended vastly on seemingly-intractable
attitudes of hard-to-shake individuals like Richard "RMS"
Stallman.

It takes just a handful of determined individuals to build a
successful user-group. But you need specific individuals
playing specific roles. One or more to keep track of events,
call meetings. At least a single-person team to keep records,
minute activities, publicise the activities of the group and
so on.

Friends in the Philippines have an incorporated user-group.
It has directors and other post-holders looking after very
specific tasks -- much like a not-for-profit corporate. But
one needn't be that ambitious. The goal is to somehow get the
job done. It's not important how. In Goa, our LUG has been
running for the past six years; we still don't have
committees in place, or elections. Our principle is that
whoever shows enthusiasm, gets the job done. And it has
worked.

One's own prescription for forming and running an active
user-group is simple. Make sure you have an active
mailing-list; this is critical. Have 3-4 regular persons who
commit to do regular postings to your mailing list. Keep your
list a good balance between tech info, evangelising, and
general information. Tech excellence is fine; but don't
forget about the principles of sharing -- of software,
knowledge and more.

Make sure you have a bank of sharable Free/Open Source
software. Get an interested journalist on board; give your
group a profile in the local media. Link up with larger, more
established LUGs close by. Avoid ego-clashes and flame wars in
your LUG; these things destroy. Keep things informal.

S/he's who is active leads; this principle works. Don't
undervalue plans to reach out to newbies and potential
new members. Have a profile, if possible, in local
computer-related events. Share information promiscuously. It
really helps...

Build critical mass (in terms of having an adequate number of
members) or you won't get started. Branch of into having more
regional user-groups and specialist LUGs just in time. You
can have multiple user-groups in one state or city.

Don't fear friendly forks; two user-groups can often be
better than one! Pay attention to colleges and educational
institutions; they love free seminars, sharable software.
Focus on areas of specialist interest -- Free Software and
education, e-governance, small businesses, hardware vendors
and assemblers, and non-profits, among others.

Here's looking forward to many more active and useful
user-groups across India. We also have among the largest
number in any country in the world. Let's aim for improving
quality too.
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#370 From: "YUVRAJ KUKAR" <yuvraj_hpcic@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 5:57 am
Subject:: HI Folks
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I have configured the squid proxy server,all things are working fine
execpt the ping .
ping doesnot respond from the client PCs.

Could you pls help me ....How can i enable ping in squid.

#369 From: Crazy Boy <crazymoonboy@...>
Date:: Thu Jan 5, 2006 2:37 pm
Subject:: MuLinux and Lapton Linux and a Doubt
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Hi,
 
Before reading this mail, please open and read http://mulinux.dotsrc.org website.
 
1) I am working with a project. That project deals with C/Linux programming with Framebuffer support. Now, I want to strip down the Linux with minimal commands with Framebuffer support (As Lapton Linux) into one floppy. And then, I have to run my Framebuffer based application or program, which is written in C language from another floppy. How can I do this?
 
2) I observed these below mentioned features in MuLinux and Lapton Linux packages. Those are:
           a) MuLinux with Gcc, X11 .... is very good, but without framebuffer support.
           b) Lapton Floppy Linux with framebuffer support is also very good, but  with out
               Gcc.
 
3) How can I use Lapton Floppy Linux with Gcc support?
 
4) How can I run my simple C program with framebuffer support using your Lapton
    Floppy Linux.
 
5) Please let me know about .raw file, which is contained in your MuLinux Floppy and
    Lapton Linux Floppy.
 
6) How can I extract the .raw file contents?
 
7) How can I make a .raw file?
 
Please tell me. I will be eagarly waiting for your reply.
 
Thanking you.
 
With regards,
Chandra.


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#368 From: Balwinder Singh <BALWINDER@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:27 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Squirrelmail
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On Monday 09 Jan 2006 4:55 pm, Singh, Navdeep wrote:
> Hi Vipin,
>
>   Can you plz draft a doc on Sendmail configurations.... STEP BY STEP, and
> share with the community?
>

Dont use sendmail use postfix or qmail.  Sendmail has very bad history from
security point of view, also configuration files are not easily
understandable.

Balwinder

#367 From: "Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...>
Date:: Mon Jan 9, 2006 11:25 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Squirrelmail
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Hi Vipin,
 
Can you plz draft a doc on Sendmail configurations.... STEP BY STEP, and share with the community?
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep
 
 


Vipin Kumar Singla <look_vip@...> wrote:
Hello everyone.

I hav configured sendmail mailserver working properly with microsoft
outlook express. Now i don't know anything about squirrelmail. i want
to use the mail server with squirrelmail. Plz tell me frm where to
start?(I hav configured apache and m able to open my site at any
terminal on LAN.)

How can i use squirrel mail.

Thanx.

Vipin Kumar Singla
9888273320

UIET, PU
Chandigarh






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#366 From: Sharninder <sharninder@...>
Date:: Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:32 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Squirrelmail
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> to use the mail server with squirrelmail. Plz tell
> me frm where to
> start?(I hav configured apache and m able to open my
> site at any
> terminal on LAN.)

Start by downloading squirrelamail and going through
the README/INSTALL files.

In short, install squirrelmail in the DocumentRoot
directory of your webserver and run the conf perl
script included with squirrelmail.

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#365 From: "Vipin Kumar Singla" <look_vip@...>
Date:: Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:20 am
Subject:: [Help Reqd] Squirrelmail
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Hello everyone.

I hav configured sendmail mailserver working properly with microsoft
outlook express. Now i don't know anything about squirrelmail. i want
to use the mail server with squirrelmail. Plz tell me frm where to
start?(I hav configured apache and m able to open my site at any
terminal on LAN.)

How can i use squirrel mail.

Thanx.

Vipin Kumar Singla
9888273320

UIET, PU
Chandigarh

#364 From: "Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...>
Date:: Thu Jan 5, 2006 9:14 am
Subject:: RHEL 3.0/4.0 required
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Does anybody have Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4.0 CDs? If so, please let me know.
 
Thanks a lot,
> Navdeep Singh


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#363 From: "Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...>
Date:: Thu Jan 5, 2006 4:04 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Adding user and giving password in singla command
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Arminder you are right your point.
 
Please think in that way that you are giving ONLY `useradd` rights to apache as like as `root`. And let us have an example that there are 10 sites running on the same apache server, obviously all those websites would also be running by `apache` user only. So that `useradd` access will go to all 10 websites' to their 10 respective users. All those 10 sites can create users...
 
And about the root password, I'm not asking that it should be shared. I'm just saying that only Super Administrator of this kind of server will run such PHP scripts, and that user have to know the root password. My point here was; he can use encrypted root password in his scripts (of course with sudo commands) to perform the root tasks with apache (php) user. Effectively other users doesn't know the root password hence can't run the granted commands with sudo.
 
I'm just saying it should be like that only.... the secure!!!
 
I agree cpanel/ensim/plesk etc. use sudo in their application. But you try their applications to run useradd etc. commands with sudo. We all know that their visudo will have configured as useradd granted to apache, but we can't break it with our virtual domain users. How?
 
I have been part of the similar application development long time back, for a hosting company in Canada.
 
Let us continue the thread to publish the same for others.
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep Singh
 


Arminder Singh Girgla <arminder@...> wrote:
I’m not sure that whether the said code will be running on a shared server or not. Though the way suggested seems easier to do in a dedicated kind of environment. Even the Control Panels based on PHP use sudo acted scripts and those based on Perl use suid mode to work.
 
Basically what that article is saying that the sudo needs to be configured to allow certain rights to apache. E.g. you will allow sudo only for useradd command to apache. It doesn’t mean that apache will run as root and thus have all the rights of root user. On the contrary sharing the root password will have larger repercussions.
 
Alternatively, you can use PHP to create a shell script and then set sudo to be able to execute that script only. Again in this case the person can put in other commands too.
 
Well everything has its pros and cons.
 
Cheers
 
Arminder Singh Girgla
Moderator
+91-98882-27779
 

From: linux_chandigarh@... [mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Singh, Navdeep
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:00 AM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: RE: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Adding user and giving password in singla command
 
But I think the illustrated code is a breach of security in a shared hosting server case.
 
Any virtual domain user can execute root command, granted to apache, using SUDO. Someone can create n number of system users using PHP script.
 
Something should therein SUDO like everytime we need to execute any root command (granted to apache) we need to mention <ROOT PASSWORD> in the line of code (it can be encrypted also - for security measure). That way, only those users can execute the root commands who knows the password also.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong in this regard.
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep
 
 


Arminder Singh Girgla <arminder@...> wrote:
Dear Vipin,

I think the solution to your problem lies in the following article:
http://www.telecofreaks.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9

Cheers

Arminder Singh Girgla
Moderator
+91-98882-27779


-----Original Message-----
From: linux_chandigarh@...
[mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:10 PM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Adding user and giving password
in singla command

Hello

I am trying to make a simple application in php and i need to know how
to create a linux user and giving him password in a single command.

I tried

useradd user_name -p password

but it doesn't work. in man pages it is written that password should
be encrypted. I tried that also but still failed. could you please
help me out of this situation.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla






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#362 From: vipin singla <look_vip@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 8:31 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
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Well Balwinder.
Thanx for replying.
Now i hav configured imap server working properly.
Thanx a lot again.
Vipin

Balwinder Singh <BALWINDER@...> wrote:
Dear Vipin
>  but smbdy told me that mails from server are deleted becoz i hav
> configured pop3 server. according to him i should configure imap server
IMAP should work for you.

> instead of pop3. i tried my best to configure that but i think i failed to
> configure it properly. Any suggestions???? If u are near by then plz tell

What problems are you facing when configuring IMAP. Please give details, so
that we might be able to help you.

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#361 From: vipin singla <look_vip@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 8:26 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Proxy Server
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Well Navdeep
Thanx a lot for replying. I hav restarted squid. even i hav rebooted my Linux machine and squid is on startup services also. it starts successfully. Browser settings are also ok means proxy has been specified. still the problem is same.
Any suggestion???

"Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...> wrote:
Seems your server side settings are OK. Make sure you restarted squid daemon after any configuration changes.
 
Have you provided the appropriate values in the MSIE "Tools -> Internet Options -> Connections -> LAN Settings -> Proxy Server (address + port)" ?????
OR
See which browser you are using, provide the required values of your proxy server address/port.
 
This is very important on the client side after your server side settings.
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep

vipin singla <look_vip@...> wrote:
 Hello Everyone!

I am facing the problem in configuring proxy server from a few day in RHEL 4. I don't know wat m i missing. Here i am telling you the details of my situation.

I hav two ethernet cards in my PC which is to be configured as proxy server.

Our main server IP is 192.168.0.1 from where the internet connection is coming to my PC.

Now on my linux PC which i want to configure as Proxy i am alloted one ip address i.e. 192.168.0.36.

My configurations are :

eth0
IP                  :   192.168.0.36 (IP Address alloted to me)
netmask         :   255.255.255.0
gateway         :   192.168.0.1   (IP address of the main server from where         internet connection is coming to me)

eth1
IP                  :   192.168.10.1 (New Series i want to start)
netmask         :   255.255.255.0
gateway         :   192.168.0.36 (IP address of eth0)

i hav edited the /etc/squid/squid.conf file making following entries.

visible_hostname vipin
http_port 3128
acl group src 192.168.10.1-192.168.10.254 (at the last of all acl's)
http_access allow group

Now to the client PC i hav given the IP address 192.168.10.2

Client PC is pinging to 192.168.10.1 and 192.168.0.36
but not to 192.168.0.1 and is not able to open any site except the one hosted by me on 192.168.10.1.

I have disabled the firewall.

Now i don't know wat m i missing. Any suggestion???
Plz help me.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla
PH.    09888273320

UIET
Panjab University, Chandigarh


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#360 From: "Arminder Singh Girgla" <arminder@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 6:21 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Adding user and giving password in singla command
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I’m not sure that whether the said code will be running on a shared server or not. Though the way suggested seems easier to do in a dedicated kind of environment. Even the Control Panels based on PHP use sudo acted scripts and those based on Perl use suid mode to work.

 

Basically what that article is saying that the sudo needs to be configured to allow certain rights to apache. E.g. you will allow sudo only for useradd command to apache. It doesn’t mean that apache will run as root and thus have all the rights of root user. On the contrary sharing the root password will have larger repercussions.

 

Alternatively, you can use PHP to create a shell script and then set sudo to be able to execute that script only. Again in this case the person can put in other commands too.

 

Well everything has its pros and cons.

 

Cheers

 

Arminder Singh Girgla

Moderator

+91-98882-27779

 


From: linux_chandigarh@... [mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Singh, Navdeep
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:00 AM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: RE: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Adding user and giving password in singla command

 

But I think the illustrated code is a breach of security in a shared hosting server case.

 

Any virtual domain user can execute root command, granted to apache, using SUDO. Someone can create n number of system users using PHP script.

 

Something should therein SUDO like everytime we need to execute any root command (granted to apache) we need to mention <ROOT PASSWORD> in the line of code (it can be encrypted also - for security measure). That way, only those users can execute the root commands who knows the password also.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong in this regard.

 

Thanks,

> Navdeep

 

 



Arminder Singh Girgla <arminder@...> wrote:

Dear Vipin,

I think the solution to your problem lies in the following article:
http://www.telecofreaks.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9

Cheers

Arminder Singh Girgla
Moderator
+91-98882-27779


-----Original Message-----
From: linux_chandigarh@...
[mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:10 PM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Adding user and giving password
in singla command

Hello

I am trying to make a simple application in php and i need to know how
to create a linux user and giving him password in a single command.

I tried

useradd user_name -p password

but it doesn't work. in man pages it is written that password should
be encrypted. I tried that also but still failed. could you please
help me out of this situation.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla






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#359 From: "Arminder Singh Girgla" <arminder@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 6:05 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
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Hi Amit,

Sorry I don't understand what u hv written. In what context hv u shared ur
views? Which mail filters are you talking about?

Cheers

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Moderator
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-----Original Message-----
From: linux_chandigarh@...
[mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Amit Mittal
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:01 AM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: RE: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Preserving mails at
mailserver

dear all

there are mail filters which act on mails landing to
the server and leaving from the server, and through
which you can define rules and actions:

  *** look for certain pattern in "mail header", and/or
in "mail body"

then define actions:

1. just pass on
2. archive (mail copy)
3. just move in a folder
4. tag a messg
5. delete a mesg ">/dev/null"
6. rank a mesg (what spam filter do)
7. "sensitize" mail filter system based on the user
ranking
8. actions defined on mail size
9. actions defined on source
10. actions defined on destination\
etc

All using simple native tools of Unix/Linux which are
on your linux CD?


Amit Mittal

--- Arminder Singh Girgla <arminder@...> wrote:

> Dear Vipin,
>
> Well dude the kind of thing you require is very
> difficult to achieve.
> Anyways, I think some way it may work. What you need
> to do is to use another
> mail server and then you have to use so technique to
> send the mails to both
> the servers. The users will be allowed POP from one
> server only and other
> will always have the copy. I am not sure, but maybe
> Moxy
> (http://moxy.psychogenic.com/) can help in this
> case. The best part of this
> app is that its for free, no $$$.
>
> The other way you can do is to setup a fetchmail+POP
> on another server. You
> need to run fetchmail with "--keep" option to leave
> the copy of mail on
> server. The users can then POP the mails from this
> server. The copies of
> mails will always be at the original server. You can
> use hosts.allow
> hosts.deny/iptables to block POP access for original
> mail server from all
> but fetchmail server.
>
> As someone suggested, you can use IMAP too, but
> still users may be able to
> delete the messages and they may move them to the
> local folders too. Then in
> that case you will lose the ability to have the copy
> of mails available on
> the server. Still if it servers your purpose the
> following link may help
> settings up Cyrus IMAP (w/SASL):
> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cyrus-IMAP.html
>
> Cheers
>
> Arminder Singh Girgla
> Moderator
> +91-98882-27779
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux_chandigarh@...
> [mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On
> Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: linux_chandigarh@...
> Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required]
> Preserving mails at mailserver
>
> Hello
>
> I am trying to configure sendmail pop3 mail server.
> I have completed
> it. When i use this server with microsoft outlook
> express then the
> mails are deleted from the server but i want to
> preserve the mails on
> the server also. I can do that by setting in outlook
> express but i
> want the changes in the server not at the client so
> that client can
> use whatever he wants. Please help me.
>
> Thank
>
> Vipin Kumar Singla
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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#358 From: Amit Mittal <amittal123@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 5:31 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
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dear all

there are mail filters which act on mails landing to
the server and leaving from the server, and through
which you can define rules and actions:

  *** look for certain pattern in "mail header", and/or
in "mail body"

then define actions:

1. just pass on
2. archive (mail copy)
3. just move in a folder
4. tag a messg
5. delete a mesg ">/dev/null"
6. rank a mesg (what spam filter do)
7. "sensitize" mail filter system based on the user
ranking
8. actions defined on mail size
9. actions defined on source
10. actions defined on destination\
etc

All using simple native tools of Unix/Linux which are
on your linux CD?


Amit Mittal

--- Arminder Singh Girgla <arminder@...> wrote:

> Dear Vipin,
>
> Well dude the kind of thing you require is very
> difficult to achieve.
> Anyways, I think some way it may work. What you need
> to do is to use another
> mail server and then you have to use so technique to
> send the mails to both
> the servers. The users will be allowed POP from one
> server only and other
> will always have the copy. I am not sure, but maybe
> Moxy
> (http://moxy.psychogenic.com/) can help in this
> case. The best part of this
> app is that its for free, no $$$.
>
> The other way you can do is to setup a fetchmail+POP
> on another server. You
> need to run fetchmail with "--keep" option to leave
> the copy of mail on
> server. The users can then POP the mails from this
> server. The copies of
> mails will always be at the original server. You can
> use hosts.allow
> hosts.deny/iptables to block POP access for original
> mail server from all
> but fetchmail server.
>
> As someone suggested, you can use IMAP too, but
> still users may be able to
> delete the messages and they may move them to the
> local folders too. Then in
> that case you will lose the ability to have the copy
> of mails available on
> the server. Still if it servers your purpose the
> following link may help
> settings up Cyrus IMAP (w/SASL):
> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cyrus-IMAP.html
>
> Cheers
>
> Arminder Singh Girgla
> Moderator
> +91-98882-27779
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux_chandigarh@...
> [mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On
> Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: linux_chandigarh@...
> Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required]
> Preserving mails at mailserver
>
> Hello
>
> I am trying to configure sendmail pop3 mail server.
> I have completed
> it. When i use this server with microsoft outlook
> express then the
> mails are deleted from the server but i want to
> preserve the mails on
> the server also. I can do that by setting in outlook
> express but i
> want the changes in the server not at the client so
> that client can
> use whatever he wants. Please help me.
>
> Thank
>
> Vipin Kumar Singla
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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#357 From: Amit Mittal <amittal123@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 5:23 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Proxy Server
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Dear

1. First of all your Internet proving server
"192.168.0.1" should be configured as router.

2. You have to decleare gateway 192.168.0.1 in your
machine, which you have done.

After that you should be able to telnet, traceroute,
ssh remote host on the internet from your linux
machine. traceroute is interesting.

As I told you, you will not be able to ping from the
client machine below your linux machines to other side
of the network segment, since you are on "unconnected
ip network" of IP numbers. 192.168... are non
routable. If you still want to ping, you have to
define routes "to and from" other segments, since the
linux kernel do not create routing map for unconnected
ip numbers.

So the ping is not test of your setup, only try
traceroute, and nslookup from the client on network
192.168.10.xxx


your rest of the setup seems ok.

amit
9876229933

--- vipin singla <look_vip@...> wrote:

>  Hello Everyone!
>
>  I am facing the problem in configuring proxy server
> from a few day in RHEL 4. I don't know wat m i
> missing. Here i am telling you the details of my
> situation.
>
>  I hav two ethernet cards in my PC which is to be
> configured as proxy server.
>
>  Our main server IP is 192.168.0.1 from where the
> internet connection is coming to my PC.
>
>  Now on my linux PC which i want to configure as
> Proxy i am alloted one ip address i.e. 192.168.0.36.
>
>  My configurations are :
>
>  eth0
>  IP                  :   192.168.0.36 (IP Address
> alloted to me)
>  netmask            :    255.255.255.0
>  gateway         :   192.168.0.1   (IP address of
> the main server from where         internet
> connection is coming to me)
>
>  eth1
>  IP                  :   192.168.10.1 (New Series i
> want to start)
>  netmask            :    255.255.255.0
>  gateway            :    192.168.0.36 (IP address of
> eth0)
>
>  i hav edited the /etc/squid/squid.conf file making
> following entries.
>
>  visible_hostname vipin
>  http_port 3128
>  acl group src 192.168.10.1-192.168.10.254 (at the
> last of all acl's)
>  http_access allow group
>
>  Now to the client PC i hav given the IP address
> 192.168.10.2
>
>  Client PC is pinging to 192.168.10.1 and
> 192.168.0.36
>  but not to 192.168.0.1 and is not able to open any
> site except the one hosted by me on 192.168.10.1.
>
>  I have disabled the firewall.
>
>  Now i don't know wat m i missing. Any suggestion???
>  Plz help me.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Vipin Kumar Singla
>  PH.    09888273320
>
>  UIET
>  Panjab University, Chandigarh
>
>
>
>
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#356 From: "Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 4:30 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Adding user and giving password in singla command
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But I think the illustrated code is a breach of security in a shared hosting server case.
 
Any virtual domain user can execute root command, granted to apache, using SUDO. Someone can create n number of system users using PHP script.
 
Something should therein SUDO like everytime we need to execute any root command (granted to apache) we need to mention <ROOT PASSWORD> in the line of code (it can be encrypted also - for security measure). That way, only those users can execute the root commands who knows the password also.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong in this regard.
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep
 
 


Arminder Singh Girgla <arminder@...> wrote:
Dear Vipin,

I think the solution to your problem lies in the following article:
http://www.telecofreaks.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9

Cheers

Arminder Singh Girgla
Moderator
+91-98882-27779


-----Original Message-----
From: linux_chandigarh@...
[mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:10 PM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Adding user and giving password
in singla command

Hello

I am trying to make a simple application in php and i need to know how
to create a linux user and giving him password in a single command.

I tried

useradd user_name -p password

but it doesn't work. in man pages it is written that password should
be encrypted. I tried that also but still failed. could you please
help me out of this situation.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla






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#355 From: "Singh, Navdeep" <ns_asr@...>
Date:: Wed Jan 4, 2006 3:58 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Reqd] Proxy Server
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Seems your server side settings are OK. Make sure you restarted squid daemon after any configuration changes.
 
Have you provided the appropriate values in the MSIE "Tools -> Internet Options -> Connections -> LAN Settings -> Proxy Server (address + port)" ?????
OR
See which browser you are using, provide the required values of your proxy server address/port.
 
This is very important on the client side after your server side settings.
 
Thanks,
> Navdeep

vipin singla <look_vip@...> wrote:
 Hello Everyone!

I am facing the problem in configuring proxy server from a few day in RHEL 4. I don't know wat m i missing. Here i am telling you the details of my situation.

I hav two ethernet cards in my PC which is to be configured as proxy server.

Our main server IP is 192.168.0.1 from where the internet connection is coming to my PC.

Now on my linux PC which i want to configure as Proxy i am alloted one ip address i.e. 192.168.0.36.

My configurations are :

eth0
IP                  :   192.168.0.36 (IP Address alloted to me)
netmask         :   255.255.255.0
gateway         :   192.168.0.1   (IP address of the main server from where         internet connection is coming to me)

eth1
IP                  :   192.168.10.1 (New Series i want to start)
netmask         :   255.255.255.0
gateway         :   192.168.0.36 (IP address of eth0)

i hav edited the /etc/squid/squid.conf file making following entries.

visible_hostname vipin
http_port 3128
acl group src 192.168.10.1-192.168.10.254 (at the last of all acl's)
http_access allow group

Now to the client PC i hav given the IP address 192.168.10.2

Client PC is pinging to 192.168.10.1 and 192.168.0.36
but not to 192.168.0.1 and is not able to open any site except the one hosted by me on 192.168.10.1.

I have disabled the firewall.

Now i don't know wat m i missing. Any suggestion???
Plz help me.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla
PH.    09888273320

UIET
Panjab University, Chandigarh


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#354 From: Balwinder Singh <BALWINDER@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 3, 2006 5:54 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
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Dear Vipin
>  but smbdy told me that mails from server are deleted becoz i hav
> configured pop3 server. according to him i should configure imap server
IMAP should work for you.

> instead of pop3. i tried my best to configure that but i think i failed to
> configure it properly. Any suggestions???? If u are near by then plz tell

What problems are you facing when configuring IMAP. Please give details, so
that we might be able to help you.

Balwinder

#353 From: vipin singla <look_vip@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 3, 2006 12:24 pm
Subject:: [Help Reqd] Proxy Server
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 Hello Everyone!

I am facing the problem in configuring proxy server from a few day in RHEL 4. I don't know wat m i missing. Here i am telling you the details of my situation.

I hav two ethernet cards in my PC which is to be configured as proxy server.

Our main server IP is 192.168.0.1 from where the internet connection is coming to my PC.

Now on my linux PC which i want to configure as Proxy i am alloted one ip address i.e. 192.168.0.36.

My configurations are :

eth0
IP                  :   192.168.0.36 (IP Address alloted to me)
netmask         :   255.255.255.0
gateway         :   192.168.0.1   (IP address of the main server from where         internet connection is coming to me)

eth1
IP                  :   192.168.10.1 (New Series i want to start)
netmask         :   255.255.255.0
gateway         :   192.168.0.36 (IP address of eth0)

i hav edited the /etc/squid/squid.conf file making following entries.

visible_hostname vipin
http_port 3128
acl group src 192.168.10.1-192.168.10.254 (at the last of all acl's)
http_access allow group

Now to the client PC i hav given the IP address 192.168.10.2

Client PC is pinging to 192.168.10.1 and 192.168.0.36
but not to 192.168.0.1 and is not able to open any site except the one hosted by me on 192.168.10.1.

I have disabled the firewall.

Now i don't know wat m i missing. Any suggestion???
Plz help me.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla
PH.    09888273320

UIET
Panjab University, Chandigarh


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#352 From: "Arminder Singh Girgla" <arminder@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 3, 2006 6:05 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Adding user and giving password in singla command
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Dear Vipin,

I think the solution to your problem lies in the following article:
http://www.telecofreaks.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9

Cheers

Arminder Singh Girgla
Moderator
+91-98882-27779


-----Original Message-----
From: linux_chandigarh@...
[mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:10 PM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Adding user and giving password
in singla command

Hello

I am trying to make a simple application in php and i need to know how
to create a linux user and giving him password in a single command.

I tried

useradd user_name -p password

but it doesn't work. in man pages it is written that password should
be encrypted. I tried that also but still failed. could you please
help me out of this situation.

Thanks

Vipin Kumar Singla






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#351 From: "Arminder Singh Girgla" <arminder@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 3, 2006 5:39 am
Subject:: RE: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
armindersingh
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Dear Vipin,

Well dude the kind of thing you require is very difficult to achieve.
Anyways, I think some way it may work. What you need to do is to use another
mail server and then you have to use so technique to send the mails to both
the servers. The users will be allowed POP from one server only and other
will always have the copy. I am not sure, but maybe Moxy
(http://moxy.psychogenic.com/) can help in this case. The best part of this
app is that its for free, no $$$.

The other way you can do is to setup a fetchmail+POP on another server. You
need to run fetchmail with "--keep" option to leave the copy of mail on
server. The users can then POP the mails from this server. The copies of
mails will always be at the original server. You can use hosts.allow
hosts.deny/iptables to block POP access for original mail server from all
but fetchmail server.

As someone suggested, you can use IMAP too, but still users may be able to
delete the messages and they may move them to the local folders too. Then in
that case you will lose the ability to have the copy of mails available on
the server. Still if it servers your purpose the following link may help
settings up Cyrus IMAP (w/SASL):
http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cyrus-IMAP.html

Cheers

Arminder Singh Girgla
Moderator
+91-98882-27779


-----Original Message-----
From: linux_chandigarh@...
[mailto:linux_chandigarh@...] On Behalf Of Vipin Kumar Singla
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:16 PM
To: linux_chandigarh@...
Subject: [linux_chandigarh] [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver

Hello

I am trying to configure sendmail pop3 mail server. I have completed
it. When i use this server with microsoft outlook express then the
mails are deleted from the server but i want to preserve the mails on
the server also. I can do that by setting in outlook express but i
want the changes in the server not at the client so that client can
use whatever he wants. Please help me.

Thank

Vipin Kumar Singla






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#350 From: Amit Mittal <amittal123@...>
Date:: Mon Jan 2, 2006 7:42 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
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Imap is superset of pop server. But it does'nt provide
you what you are looking for.  Imap has two big
advantages over pop: 1. you can manipulate folders on
the mail server account, sitting on the client. 2. Low
bandwidth requirements.

Amit
Sector 39, Chandigarh
9876229933
--- vipin singla <look_vip@...> wrote:

> Thanx a lot Amit.
>  but smbdy told me that mails from server are
> deleted becoz i hav configured pop3 server.
> according to him i should configure imap server
> instead of pop3. i tried my best to configure that
> but i think i failed to configure it properly. Any
> suggestions???? If u are near by then plz tell me so
> that i can contact you personally.
>
>  Thanx again
>  Vipin Kumar Singla
>  UIET, Panjab University, Chandigarh
>  9888273320
>
> Amit Mittal <amittal123@...> wrote:     there
> are 2 options:
>
>  1. configure your MS-outlook (or pop2 client) to
> stop
>  deleting mails when it downloads from the server
>  ("keep a copy on the server" option).
>
>  2. In above still the administrator has no control
>  over the client behaviour. Thus, copy all mails as
>  soon as they land on your server, and copy all
> mails
>  as they leave from your server. This is rather
>  complicated and some out side sendmail. Extention
> to
>  this is you can install a small search engine to
>  search past mails, even if the user has deleted
> mails
>  from his/her account.
>
>  2nd option find uts use in an enterprise where it
> is
>  required to archive (in-out) mails. Since 70% of an
>  enterprise data is stored in mails as IDC et.el
> stats,
>  which is un-organised.
>
>  Amit Mittal
>  Chandigarh
>  9876229933
>
>
>  --- Vipin Kumar Singla <look_vip@...> wrote:
>
>  > Hello
>  >
>  > I am trying to configure sendmail pop3 mail
> server.
>  > I have completed
>  > it. When i use this server with microsoft outlook
>  > express then the
>  > mails are deleted from the server but i want to
>  > preserve the mails on
>  > the server also. I can do that by setting in
> outlook
>  > express but i
>  > want the changes in the server not at the client
> so
>  > that client can
>  > use whatever he wants. Please help me.
>  >
>  > Thank
>  >
>  > Vipin Kumar Singla
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
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#349 From: vipin singla <look_vip@...>
Date:: Mon Jan 2, 2006 7:02 am
Subject:: Re: [Help Required] Preserving mails at mailserver
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Thanx a lot Amit.
but smbdy told me that mails from server are deleted becoz i hav configured pop3 server. according to him i should configure imap server instead of pop3. i tried my best to configure that but i think i failed to configure it properly. Any suggestions???? If u are near by then plz tell me so that i can contact you personally.

Thanx again
Vipin Kumar Singla
UIET, Panjab University, Chandigarh
9888273320

Amit Mittal <amittal123@...> wrote:
there are 2 options:

1. configure your MS-outlook (or pop2 client) to stop
deleting mails when it downloads from the server
("keep a copy on the server" option).

2. In above still the administrator has no control
over the client behaviour. Thus, copy all mails as
soon as they land on your server, and copy all mails
as they leave from your server. This is rather
complicated and some out side sendmail. Extention to
this is you can install a small search engine to
search past mails, even if the user has deleted mails
from his/her account.

2nd option find uts use in an enterprise where it is
required to archive (in-out) mails. Since 70% of an
enterprise data is stored in mails as IDC et.el stats,
which is un-organised.

Amit Mittal
Chandigarh
9876229933


--- Vipin Kumar Singla <look_vip@...> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am trying to configure sendmail pop3 mail server.
> I have completed
> it. When i use this server with microsoft outlook
> express then the
> mails are deleted from the server but i want to
> preserve the mails on
> the server also. I can do that by setting in outlook
> express but i
> want the changes in the server not at the client so
> that client can
> use whatever he wants. Please help me.
>
> Thank
>
> Vipin Kumar Singla
>
>
>
>


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#348 From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred@...>
Date:: Sun Jan 1, 2006 8:24 pm
Subject:: INDIA: FN's Eye on FLOSS (Free/Libre and Open Source Software) 2JAN2006
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Please forward this to FLOSS groups you know... help it grow -FN

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LFY, DELHI AND LINUX ASIA... SEEKING COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT:
LINUXForYou editor Rahul Chopra <rahul@...> reminds us
of the forthcoming LinuxAsia event in Delhi. Rahul writes:

           This email is w.r.t. LinuxAsia, and to seek your help
           in building the community side to it.  LinuxAsia has
           managed to become the biggest B2B event, where top
           industry players meet customers at a national level. I
           am tempted to try and see if we can help drive the
           community push further in Delhi through LinuxAsia.

We have planned the following community initiatives for
LinuxAsia 2006:

* The Dot.Org mela where [free software and] open source
   projects will be provided a FREE booth space subject to
   registration and approval by the technical committee.

* The [GNU]Linux Newbie sessions where new comers sit through a
   one hour session, which is presented by the [GNU]Linux/[FL]OSS
   community takes them through a series of presentations, which
   would help the newbies to understand [free software and] open
   source and Linux better, and the benefits associated. We need
   good speakers who WANT TO TAKE LINUX TO THE MASSES, and can do
   a good job at that.

* Free LUG booths where we want more and more LUGs to be
   represented at Delhi to tell the world that India rocks when
   it comes to [GNU]Linux/[FL]OSS.

MORE ABOUT LINUX ASIA: You can submit your conference
proposal for LinuxAsia 2006 till January 8, 2006. Deadlines
for speakers as below:

* January 8, 2006: Proposal deadline
* January 15, 2006: Notification of acceptance to speakers
* January 22, 2006: Final presentation materials due
* February 8, 2006: LinuxAsia 2006 Conference begins

Submit your conference proposal at http://www.linuxasia.net/speakers

LinuxAsia Conference & Expo 2006 February 8-10, 2006 | New
Delhi, India http://www.linuxasia.net

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FREE SOFTWARE AND MEDIA, OPTIONS FOR B'LORE: Anivar Aravind
<anivar@...> an active member of the Free Software
Foundation of India has this to write: "I got a mail from
Jaromil (the creator of dyne:bolic, http://rastasoft.org/)
saying that he will be in Bangalore by March/April 2006 for some
programme of Mahiti. Can we plan some free software amd media
workshops at that time? Any one interested? Any collaborators?"

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FSF-INDIA DIRECTOR Dr G Nagarjuna <nagarjun@...> of
the Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education at the TIFR in
Mumbai, announces that the FSF is entering 2006 with a very
important task, drafting GPLv-3.

         GPLv-2 was released in 1991, and it is the most widely
         used free software license.  During the course of time,
         the computing environments are transforming,
         particularly with the entrance of webservices and
         embedded devices.  In the context of these changes, it
         is possible that user's freedom may not be preserved.

FSF says it is "committed to protect the software freedom even
under the transformed conditions in future." A draft of the
GPL-v3 will be released during the First International Public
GPL-v3 launch conference to be held at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology (MIT) on January 16 and 17, 2006. Dr
Nagarjuna is expected to represent FSF India.

He writes: "I invite the  free software community in India to
actively participate in shaping the new license.  If you would
like to share any specific inputs let us discuss them here in
the list. You may also want to send me your thoughts directly.
Wishing you all a success in protecting software freedom."

Visit http;//gplv3.fsf.org/

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           CHECK THE PROJECT RESOURCE CENTRE, which is meant to
           be a network to discuss GNU/Linux and FLOSS projects
           for students. It has recently been looking at the
           Sarai.net offer for support for those taking up such
           initiatives too.
           https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc

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NepaLinux IS OUT: It was released on December 22, 2005.
NepaLinux is a Debian and Morphix based GNU/Linux distribution
focused for Desktop usage in Nepali language computing. It
contains applications for Desktop users like: OpenOffice.org,
Nepali Gnome Desktop, Nepali input systems etc.

http://www.nepalinux.org/

It is drawing some early praise too. Our Greek friend Simos
Xenitellis <simos.lists@...> writes: "Congratulations to
everyone contributed in the work! I tried out the Live CD and I
must say I am really impressed with the level of integration and
completeness of localisation. You use a consistent colour theme
through out the LiveCD which means you went to great efforts to
update the icons/backgrouns/logos/etc. Also, every single
message in the menus was localised to Nepali; I had trouble to
navigate on the system :) I took some screenshots in PNG format
http://planet.hellug.gr/misc/nepalinux.png
http://planet.hellug.gr/misc/nepalinux-ooo.png "

Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya (MPP) is the principal archive of
books and periodicals in the Nepali language, the mother tongue
(or lingua franca) of a little over 30 million people of South
Asia. It manages the largest archive in the Nepali language, and
supports the use of Nepali for the social, economic and cultural
advancement of all Nepali. Since January 2004, Madan Puraskar
Pustakalaya undertook the Nepal component of the 30-month long
PAN Localization Project (www.PANL10n.net), a multi-nation
localization project being conducted in Afghanistan, Bangladesh,
Bhutan, Cambodia, Laos, Nepal, and Sri Lanka, with the support
of International Development and Research Center (IDRC), Canada.
This project includes a Nepali GNU/Linux distribution
'NepaLinux' comprising of localized GNOME, OpenOffice.org,
Mozilla suite, and other utilities that include Nepali
Spellchecker, Thesaurus, Nepali Unicode support, etc. This
distribution can be used in Nepali as well in English
environment. Though NepaLinux is basically a live CD it can also
be installed in the computer. The work for the installation
process has been facilitated through the European Commission
supported Bhasha Sanchar Project -- http://www.bhashasanchar.org
-- which is led by the Open University (UK).

NepaLinux is a Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS), in
which the source code is open and the users have the freedom to
use, study, modify according to one's needs and redistribute it.
NepaLinux, being a Free/Open Source Software, does not charge
for its software unlike proprietary software, which cost a lot
and also do not allow the users to study, modify, or
redistribute.

Some of the packages included in NepaLinux are Linux Kernel
2.6.12, Gnome 2.10 Desktop Environment, OpenOffice.org 2.0, Gimp
Graphics Editor, IRC Client, Gaim Messenging Tool, Development
Tools (Includes C and C++), Mozilla Suite, GnomeBaker CD/DVD
Burning Utility, Firewall Security, Antivirus, Rootkit and
Sniffer Detection Tool, Image Viewers, Games, etc.

The official website for NepaLinux is www.nepalinux.org. Other
available places to look for assistance are:

- Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya support forum: www.mpp.org.np/forum
- NepaLinux Mailing List www.nepalinux.org/lists
- NepaLinux Wiki: www.nepalinux.org/wiki
- IRC for realtime queries (#nepalinux on irc.freenode.net)

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           CD OF THE GNU/LINUX KIND: Nelson Lobo
           <lobonanc@...> offers a number of downloaded
           distros for sale, at reasonable prices. See
           http://linuxdvdsale.tripod.com Money raised goes to
           support local GNU/Linux activities in North Goa.

GNU/Linux CDs offered at Rs 45 per CD plus courier charges.
Order via trueindian29@... or trueindian29@... While
ordering please denote the name of distro with correct release
no and number of CDs wanted. Moserbaer/Equal CDs. Abilash
P.Alias Puthuvamkunnathu House, Pindimana P O, Kothamangalam,
Ernakulam, Kerala, Pin 686698 Phone 04852825951.

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DP's TIPS ON IRC: Diabolic Preacher <pintooo15@...> from
Goa has this to say: People new to using IRC should take a look
at http://irchelp.org/ a tutorial can be found at
http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html

A list of Internet Relay Chat (IRC) clients can be found at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_clients IRC lets you
join the official channels of most open source projects and
interact with people for asking/answering queries in real time.

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SEARCHING FOR A MEET VENUE? HOW ABOUT DOING IT ONLINE, VIA IRC?
This idea has been doing the rounds on LUGs, FSUGs and GLUGs
across India. It comes from Chennai-based software engineer
Shakthi Kannan <cyborg4k@...> who moots having an
all-India online meet via IRC. Date: Jan 1, 2006. Time 1500 hrs
IST. Channel #gnu-india on irc.freenode.net

Sorry about the short (no?) notice from FN's side. But just
sharing this idea to be taken up in future. Shakthi says: "No
agenda as such. The idea is to get to meet folks from different
FSUGs/GLUGs, get to know what FSUGs/GLUGs have been and are
working on, free software ideas/suggestions/plans/activities for
2006." Useful concept. It was inspired, Shakthi says, after he
heard of Luggers in Mumbai discuss where the next meet be held.

Contact Shakthi Kannan, MS Software Engineer, Hexaware
Technologies [E]: cyborg4k@... [M]: (91) 98407-87007 [W]:
http://www.shakthimaan.com [L]: Chennai, India

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           LUG.IN: Mitul Lambani <webmaster@...> of Mumbai is
           planning to activate and improve content levels on his
           http://lug.in site. A site for user-groups working on
           GNU/Linux. And if you'd like a listing of user-groups
           in (and nearby) India, visit FN's
           http://wikiwikiweb.de/LugsList

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FLOSS GEEK'S BLOG: Check Prakash Advani's <advani@...>
blog: http://cityblogger.com Writes Prakash, a FLOSS proponent:
"I use Wordpress, I think it supports multiple domains. It is
open source thats the reason why I use it."

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IOSN STUDY: The International Open Source Network - A Case Study
is available at http://www.apdip.net/news/iosncasestudy

           UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme
           runs a Centre of Excellence for Free/Libre Open Source
           Software (FOSS) in the Asia-Pacific region - the
           International Open Source Network (IOSN). As part of
           its myriad activities, IOSN hosts a community operated
           portal at http://www.iosn.net. This case study
           attempts to document and understand the community- and
           technology-related dimensions of this portal. For more
           information contact: Sunil Abraham and Khairil Yusof
           info@...

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FLOSS FOR GOVERNMENTS... SINGAPORE TOO: More and more countries
are embracing the collaborative model of open source on a
national level to fend off caged IT models. The Infocomm
Development Authority of Singapore’s (IDA) Technology Group has
positioned Linux as a medium term technology bet, which means
one to three years to mass adoption.
http://computerworld.com.sg/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=3215&pubid=3&issu\
eid=78

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AN EXPAT-HINDU PRIEST-DEBIAN GEEK'S VIEW: Jaldhar H. Vyas
<jaldhar@...> who has the unusual combination of Hindu
priest and Debian geek, is based in the US, and part of La Salle
Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/

A great guy to meet with, this 34-year-old was in Bangalore
recently. On going back, Vyas reported that one of the problems
GNU/Linux users in countries like India face is low bandwidth.
Therefore, he argued, a distribution on CD or DVD is preferred
over large network installations or updates. He has found a
sponsor and is looking for a 1-DVD version of the Debian system.

He wrote to FN'sEyeOnGNULinux: "This is for distribution with
the Linux For You Magazine.  So 1 DVD is a must. However if you
want to also distribute DVDs I encourage you wholeheartedly. My
ultimate goal is that no one interested in Debian should be
prevented from trying it due to a lack of access."

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           GNU/LINUX FOR KIDS: If anyone is interested in
           GNU/Linux for children, Liz Probert <liz@...>
           has done an excellent piece on it:
           http://www.fraw.org.uk/pubs/cltcpb/cltc_pb-02.html

Also see some FLOSS-in-education links at
http://del.icio.us/fredericknoronh [Specially FLOSSinEducation]
http://tasty.pablotron.org/bookmarks.php/fredericknoronha

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GIS AND OPEN OFFICE IN MARATHI: Jitendra Shah
<jituviju@...> announced via the
indic-computing-users@... mailing list that
http://203.199.16.202 contains a few GIS applications and a few
web-based database application= s using FLOSS. Also, incudes
tenders of Maharashtra Government for rate-contracts where
OpenOffice.org with Marathi (Gargi) fonts as compulsory on
either platforms (proprietory or opensource). The Maharashtra
government buys an estimated 5000 PCs machines annually.

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LIST FOR INDIC COMPUTING USERS: See this
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-user

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           FLOSS, IN THE REAL WORLD, A QUERY FROM INDIA: M
           Sasikumar, NCST <sasi@...> asks: "Do any of
           you know of any organisation in India actually using
           [Free/Libre and] Open Source Software in practice? We
           are trying to gather information on actual use of this
           nature -- this is useful to build confidence in
           potential users. Usage can include desktops/laptops
           running Linux and other [Free/Libre and] Open Source
           software, applications running on [GNU]Linux,
           applications which are built using OSS, using OSS
           applications (Koha, Compere, etc)?" M Sasikumar is at
           the KBCS/ETU Division of CDAC Mumbai (formerly NCST).

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G KARUNAKAR IS keen to map the FLOSS movement in India at the
URL below. See Karunakar's work at http://www.indlinux.org and
his blog at http://cartoonsoft.com/blog

http://linux-bangalore.org/2005/wiki/index.php/Community_Issues#Mapping_the_FOSS\
_movement_in_India

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FREE SOFTWARE, AS A SOCIAL MOVEMENT: An interesting interview
with RMS (Richard M Stallman) on Free Software as a social
movement:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=13&ItemID=9350
Also slashdoted at
http://slashdot.org/articles/05/12/20/0356217.shtml?tid=117&tid=185
Thanks to Anivar Aravind <anivar@...> for this link.

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CONVERGENCE OF MOVEMENTS TO FIGHT IPRs ON INFORMATION: GRAIN has
recently been taking an interest in what we have been calling
‘convergence’: the ways in which people are resisting the push
for monopoly rights over information in different sectors. In
this time of unprecendented centralisation of power and control,
resistance is building on many fronts. We couldn’t help
wondering if our various struggles might be more effective if we
found some common ground. http://www.grain.org/convergence/

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GIS FOR EVERYONE: Raj <rajganesh@...> recently came up with
a proposal for the project 'GIS for everyone'. He says this is
"about implementing GIS application/tool, making it
user-friendly, and to make it appealing to users visually and
functionally based on feedback from implementation."

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           LINUXCHIX, a network for women in Free/Libre and Open
           Source Software. Check out the mailing list at
           http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indianlc/

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KERNEL JANITORS IS A PROJECT to help persons wanting to be
kernel hackers, to get their feet wet, while doing something
useful for the community. URL: http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/
(Thanks Ringo and Bharathi Subramanian)

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ONE DAY ONE COMMAND is a useful service put out by Bharathi
Subramanian <sbharathi@...>. If you'd like him to post
this direct to your user-group's mailing list, contact Bharathi.
Specimen posts: http://www.livejournal.com/community/ilugc/
A great way of keeping your mailing-list active, and also
sharing information on the nuts and bolts of FLOSS technologies.

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           HACKING THE HURD, INDIAN TECHIES GO FOR IT: Praveen A
           <pravi.a@...> recently announced a GNU/Hurd BoF.
           It's for you, if you are a GNU/Hurd user/developer or
           simply want to know more about GNU/Hurd. It was
           organised by India GNU/Hurd User Group (I-Hug), #i-hug
           at irc.freenode.org and i-hug.sarovar.org on December
           20. If you missed the event, get in touch with Praveen
           offline.

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FSF FRIENDS IN DELHI: A new mailing list announced by Arun M
<arun@...> who says, "In order to bring together friends
of FSF India in Delhi, we are creating a new mailing list. If
you are from Delhi or interested in FSF India activities in
Delhi join our new mailing list.
http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsf-delhi

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ONE COMMENT ON FLOSS AND EDUCATION: "Most distributions contain
simple games. But only a few contain programs that are really
good for use with young kids (see the following section). SuSE
Linux has probably the widest selection of games and educational
software. Mandrake is also fairly good, closely followed by
Debian. But Red Hat tends to be the worst of all the major
distributions as it concentrates on being a more technical Linux
system rather than a user-friendly desktop system. Of all the
distributions I've tried."

A friend from Redhat replies: "We are aware of this and are
working on alternatives. We are also working on trimming down
the OS so that it can run on older hardware."

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UBUNTU IN ASIA: The Ubuntu team is planning to have business
tour around Asia next year. If they visit your country and if
you are interested in it with some extra time/energy, feel free
to contact them. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour

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INDIAN CONTRIBUTION to the world of FLOSS: Check these URLs
http://www.fsf.org.in/free-software-directory/dir.html
http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/?IndianFreeSoftwareProjects

Writes prominent hacker Anand Babu <ab@...> -- see his
-- blog at http://ab.freeshell.org comments: "My main
motivation to compile this list is to bring together
potential free software hackers from India and recognize
their work. We should also make sure that this directory is
contributed back to mainstream DIRECTORY.FSF.ORG".

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PONDICHERRY LUG IS active again. Check
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/p_lug/

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PUBLIC-INTEREST LITIGATION AGAINST BANGALORE ONE: A PIL
against the Bangalore One project's alleged irregularities
has been admitted by the Karnataka High Court, according to a
post from the eGov INDIA <egovindia@...> mailing list.
This Dec 17, 2005 post said what had been challenged was "the
legality of prescribing Microsoft technology which is
proprietary and costed when [Free/Libre and] Open Source
Software was available free. The MoU entered into between the
Government of Karnataka and Microsoft had been challenged in
the Writ Petition." See also:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec142005/state18431120051213.asp

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FREE SOFTWARE ON THE SCREEN: V. Sasi Kumar
<sasi.fsf@...> explains how bridges are being built
between FLOSS and film-makers: "On December 15, we did a
short demonstration of Free Software related to media at the
International Film Festival of Kerala. We showed Blender,
Audacity, Kino, Adore, etc., although we could not really
demonstrate all features of the applications since we did not
have anyone who was experienced in using them. However,
Blender and Adore attracted some attention and a few
professionals talked to us after the demo. I understand that
a couple of other people collected our contact details from
the Kerala State Chalachitra Academy (organisers of the
Festival) later. We had put up a few posters at the major
venue (Kairali-Sree theatre complex) earlier. IFFK is
considered as one of the top ten Film Festivals in the world,
and we are happy that we could get an entry there. We hope to
plan and conduct similar demonstrations in the coming years.
A report on the demo with a couple of photographs will be put
up on our web page soon."

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BOOK IN BENGALI: Dipankar Das has been at this book for a
long time now aiming to provide a holistic idea of GNU-Linux
in Bengali. Some dated information is here:
http://www.geocities.com/sankarshan76/glt-mad/index.htm

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Copyleft verbatim copying, with credits is both allowed and
encouraged. We invite you to ILUG-Goa, the friendly GNU/Linux
user group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/join

JOIN THE GNU/Linux in India network, for useful information, at
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#347 From: Nikhil Prabhakar <clicknipra@...>
Date:: Sun Jan 1, 2006 11:10 am
Subject:: KDE rules
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Hi,
No flame war intended.Just found a good article on KDE and why it rules.

http://www.terra.es/personal/diegocg/kde/

Regards
Nikhil Prabhakar

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