http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39175484,00.htm

November 30, 2004, 11:50 GMT

The car hire firm says its has cut hardware and maintenance costs
dramatically by migrating 1,500 rental stations to thin clients
running Linux

Car hire firm Europcar International has migrated thousands of PCs
across Europe from Windows fat clients to Linux thin clients, lowering
both its hardware and maintenance costs.

The car hire firm has saved on hardware and maintenance costs by
migrating its 1,500 stations to thin clients running Linux, but Stefan
Ostrowski, the CIO of Europcar, said that while migrating to Linux
thin clients has saved them money, but it would not have been as cost
effective for them to migrate fat clients to Linux.

....

No, 'advocacy' is entirely diffrent from selling.

And this selling is selling the idea and the value, not necessarily for money.

Regards,
  Atul Asthana

On Monday 29 November 2004 17:46, Rakesh 'arky' Ambati wrote:
> Dear Arujun,
>
>   That's nice little story,I really enjoyed that.But
> would suggest using the word 'advocate' instead of
> 'sell'.
>
> Cheers
>
> --arky
>

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Dear Arujun,

   That's nice little story,I really enjoyed that.But
would suggest using the word 'advocate' instead of
'sell'.

Cheers

--arky

--- Arjun Asthana <arjunasthana@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'll tell you a story. This, you should be able to
> find in the cronicles of
> some tech history books/sites.
>
> There was a company called Zilog. Constituted by a
> break away group of Intel
> engineers, who had designed 8080, an 8 bit
> processor. Zilog designed Z80, a
> hugely successful 8 bit processor, on which later,
> CP/M (a very basic OS) was
> standardised.
>
> Zilog also produced Z8000, a 16 bit processor, which
> was technologically far
> superior to 8086. BTW I've used both, along with
> 68000 (Motorola) and some
> wonderful 8 bit ones 1602, 6800, 6502, Z80, 8080/5
> etc for designing various
> control/processing systems.
>
> However, IBM was impressed with Intel's marketing
> and went on to design the
> IBM PC using 8086/88. Rest is history. Not to
> mention that the Mars buggy was
> run by Z80, where technology was of paramount
> importance.
>
> The moral of the story is: marketing sells not the
> technology. Thats the
> reason M$ sells and not Linux. The sooner it is
> understood, better it is.
>
> Lets sell Linux and not wait for the events to lead
> the way. That way may
> never come.
>
> Regards
> Atul Asthana
>
> On Saturday 27 November 2004 22:24, linux_schools
> wrote:
> > --- In linux_schools@..., Arjun
> Asthana
> >
> > <arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
> > > The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use
> Windows and other
> >
> > prop
> >
> > > software.
> > >
> > > Can any one break that?
> >
> > Hello Arjun
> >
> > It will be broken naturally when the time of Linux
> comes.
> >
> > There is Engineering education where they dont
> force to use Windows
> > for  C/C++ programming, Java etc.
> >
> > But nobody uses Linux to do these things in
> Engineering colleges
> > (There may be only few colleges who are doing so).
> >
> > There is also syllabus in Engineering where Word ,
> Excel , powerpoint
> > is part of the introductory computer syllabus in
> First year.
> >
> > Engineering colleges and professional institutes
> shamelessly use
> > pirated software (It may be true for CBSE and
> other schools also).
> >
> >
> > If the Universities and Government enforce the
> rule of legal software
> > usage, these institutes will have no other option
> but to use Linux.
> >
> > When Microsoft comes in search of their baby, we
> have no other option
> > but to give up the baby and also pay fines (We may
> have to learn how
> > many zeros are there in a million) . The fines
> will be so huge   all
> > the institutes would go bankrupt paying the fine
> and close shutters.
> >
> > Everybody is saying, no such thing will happen
> soon. Yes it will not
> > happen soon because the number computers in India
> are only around 1
> > Crore. Let it multiply to 5 to 10 crores, which
> may happen quickly if
> > the prices of computers comes to around Rs.10
> thousand. (Who would
> > have imagined mobile phones will reach more than
> 4.5 crores in such a
> > small time span exceeding the land line phones ?).
> >
> > We may have to wait a little more longer may be 2
> to 4 years when
> > dozens of countries, 100s of big companies rush to
> use Linux in a
> > large scale . Then there will be a great
> conversion boom similar to
> > Y2K projects.  It may be called W2k+8 bug or the
> big MSW bug. The bug
> > is not easy to remove. More than 90 percent of the
> computers would
> > have to be completely cleaned of this bug.
> >
> > People who have very few computers like India (<
> 1%) better not
> > install the bug on new computers. Otherwise India
> may have to spend
> > Billions of Dollars as the USA did for becoming
> stingy for 2 digits of
> > a year as in Y2K bug.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Herald.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >



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I'll tell you a story. This, you should be able to find in the cronicles of
some tech history books/sites.

There was a company called Zilog. Constituted by a break away group of Intel
engineers, who had designed 8080, an 8 bit processor. Zilog designed Z80, a
hugely successful 8 bit processor, on which later, CP/M (a very basic OS) was
standardised.

Zilog also produced Z8000, a 16 bit processor, which was technologically far
superior to 8086. BTW I've used both, along with 68000 (Motorola) and some
wonderful 8 bit ones 1602, 6800, 6502, Z80, 8080/5 etc for designing various
control/processing systems.

However, IBM was impressed with Intel's marketing and went on to design the
IBM PC using 8086/88. Rest is history. Not to mention that the Mars buggy was
run by Z80, where technology was of paramount importance.

The moral of the story is: marketing sells not the technology. Thats the
reason M$ sells and not Linux. The sooner it is understood, better it is.

Lets sell Linux and not wait for the events to lead the way. That way may
never come.

Regards
Atul Asthana

On Saturday 27 November 2004 22:24, linux_schools wrote:
> --- In linux_schools@..., Arjun Asthana
>
> <arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
> > The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use Windows and other
>
> prop
>
> > software.
> >
> > Can any one break that?
>
> Hello Arjun
>
> It will be broken naturally when the time of Linux comes.
>
> There is Engineering education where they dont force to use Windows
> for  C/C++ programming, Java etc.
>
> But nobody uses Linux to do these things in Engineering colleges
> (There may be only few colleges who are doing so).
>
> There is also syllabus in Engineering where Word , Excel , powerpoint
> is part of the introductory computer syllabus in First year.
>
> Engineering colleges and professional institutes shamelessly use
> pirated software (It may be true for CBSE and other schools also).
>
>
> If the Universities and Government enforce the rule of legal software
> usage, these institutes will have no other option but to use Linux.
>
> When Microsoft comes in search of their baby, we have no other option
> but to give up the baby and also pay fines (We may have to learn how
> many zeros are there in a million) . The fines will be so huge   all
> the institutes would go bankrupt paying the fine and close shutters.
>
> Everybody is saying, no such thing will happen soon. Yes it will not
> happen soon because the number computers in India are only around 1
> Crore. Let it multiply to 5 to 10 crores, which may happen quickly if
> the prices of computers comes to around Rs.10 thousand. (Who would
> have imagined mobile phones will reach more than 4.5 crores in such a
> small time span exceeding the land line phones ?).
>
> We may have to wait a little more longer may be 2 to 4 years when
> dozens of countries, 100s of big companies rush to use Linux in a
> large scale . Then there will be a great conversion boom similar to
> Y2K projects.  It may be called W2k+8 bug or the big MSW bug. The bug
> is not easy to remove. More than 90 percent of the computers would
> have to be completely cleaned of this bug.
>
> People who have very few computers like India (< 1%) better not
> install the bug on new computers. Otherwise India may have to spend
> Billions of Dollars as the USA did for becoming stingy for 2 digits of
> a year as in Y2K bug.
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Regards,
  Arjun Asthana

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--- In linux_schools@..., Arjun Asthana
<arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
>
> How about creating a sales kit (sans cost of sales) for promoting
Linux in
> Schools? Of course, this has to be an end to end solution
promotion. ie
> should also include attaching a hardware and Li support
organisation.


Hello

I have been planning that kind of a thing for a long time and have
been telling one of the hardware guys I know in Hyderabad to go for
it. But It is a slow process. There is a
big Computer sales and training business opportunity using Linux and
thin client solutions to schools and colleges (It would also be a
social service kind of thing because the software is free,hardware
cost least,administrator cost could be zero,downtime minimum,virus
threats nil etc,etc.).

And once the Linux lab is setup, it doesnt want much supervision. The
  support organization should standardise on the hardware front like
using  same components in all the clients, and also all the servers
should have same components so that school and himself will have less
work on the support front.


Kerala is ahead in all these things like they have setup 100 Linux
support centers across the state. Hope other states wakeup.


Cheers
Herald.

--- In linux_schools@..., Arjun Asthana
<arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
>
> The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use Windows and other
prop
> software.
>
> Can any one break that?
>



Hello Arjun

It will be broken naturally when the time of Linux comes.

There is Engineering education where they dont force to use Windows
for  C/C++ programming, Java etc.

But nobody uses Linux to do these things in Engineering colleges
(There may be only few colleges who are doing so).

There is also syllabus in Engineering where Word , Excel , powerpoint
is part of the introductory computer syllabus in First year.

Engineering colleges and professional institutes shamelessly use
pirated software (It may be true for CBSE and other schools also).


If the Universities and Government enforce the rule of legal software
usage, these institutes will have no other option but to use Linux.

When Microsoft comes in search of their baby, we have no other option
but to give up the baby and also pay fines (We may have to learn how
many zeros are there in a million) . The fines will be so huge   all
the institutes would go bankrupt paying the fine and close shutters.

Everybody is saying, no such thing will happen soon. Yes it will not
happen soon because the number computers in India are only around 1
Crore. Let it multiply to 5 to 10 crores, which may happen quickly if
the prices of computers comes to around Rs.10 thousand. (Who would
have imagined mobile phones will reach more than 4.5 crores in such a
small time span exceeding the land line phones ?).

We may have to wait a little more longer may be 2 to 4 years when
dozens of countries, 100s of big companies rush to use Linux in a
large scale . Then there will be a great conversion boom similar to
Y2K projects.  It may be called W2k+8 bug or the big MSW bug. The bug
is not easy to remove. More than 90 percent of the computers would
have to be completely cleaned of this bug.

People who have very few computers like India (< 1%) better not
install the bug on new computers. Otherwise India may have to spend
Billions of Dollars as the USA did for becoming stingy for 2 digits of
a year as in Y2K bug.

Cheers
Herald.

How about creating a sales kit (sans cost of sales) for promoting Linux in
Schools? Of course, this has to be an end to end solution promotion. ie
should also include attaching a hardware and Li support organisation.



On Saturday 27 November 2004 16:44, linux_schools wrote:
>  <lxn_mon@y...> wrote:
> > Dear Herald
> > Any change is difficult. We should be feel good that
> > at least 3 schools are using Linux. At IIM, Ahmedabad
> > we also have been trying to promote FOSS in many
> > schools. Would you believe that more than 150
> > principals of top schools of the country have been
> > given presentations and CDs, but not much
> > breakthroughs. I believe we should keep trying and at
> > one point it is going to take off. Then nothing can
> > stop it. We also must understand why schools are not
> > going for FOSS inspite of so much advantages and try
> > to work upon them.
> >
> > All the best. Laxman
>
> Hello Laxman
>
> I agree with you totally.
>
> We have to keep trying. Otherwise I would have stopped maintaining
> this group
> long back.
>
> Schools are the right place to promote Linux. Engineering Colleges are
> too difficult for promoting Linux. It is because they are already
> habituated to Windows.
>
> Thats why I started this group to baptize the school children with
> Linux rather than trying to convert them to Linux when they are in
> College. Conversion to Linux is a very controvertial topic and is very
> difficult to do, just like religious conversions.
>
> I am really happy that at least 3 schools are using Linux in Hyderabad
> (But was hoping for at least 10 in 1 year) . Also happy that I was able to
> compile a Free Software CD full of Educational softwares and the like
> for schools and colleges, which was a requirement & result of Vande
> Mataram high school implementation.
>
> Its called Linvertor.
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Regards,
  Arjun Asthana

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  May the Source be with you \_________\/

The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use Windows and other prop
software.

Can any one break that?



On Saturday 27 November 2004 15:40, linux_schools wrote:
> Hello friends
>
> By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools creation.
>
> We have turned exactly 1 year today.
>
> In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1 school.
>
> 2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of Vikram.
>
> So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.
>
> Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom time, 40% of H1B
> holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage there hardly any
> awareness.
>
>
>
> If the members put some efforts definitely within the next year, shall
> we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???
>
> When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June last year, many
> people came forward to do something to spread Linux in schools . But
> nothing happened in 1 years time.
>
> There are thousands of private schools out there .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Regards,
  Arjun Asthana

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--#&---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /   / /_/\ \ \
-#&@!8/_/_//_/\___/ /_/\_\  /______\ \ \
  May the Source be with you \_________\/

<lxn_mon@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Herald
> Any change is difficult. We should be feel good that
> at least 3 schools are using Linux. At IIM, Ahmedabad
> we also have been trying to promote FOSS in many
> schools. Would you believe that more than 150
> principals of top schools of the country have been
> given presentations and CDs, but not much
> breakthroughs. I believe we should keep trying and at
> one point it is going to take off. Then nothing can
> stop it. We also must understand why schools are not
> going for FOSS inspite of so much advantages and try
> to work upon them.
>
> All the best. Laxman



Hello Laxman

I agree with you totally.

We have to keep trying. Otherwise I would have stopped maintaining
this group
long back.

Schools are the right place to promote Linux. Engineering Colleges are
too difficult for promoting Linux. It is because they are already
habituated to Windows.

Thats why I started this group to baptize the school children with
Linux rather than trying to convert them to Linux when they are in
College. Conversion to Linux is a very controvertial topic and is very
difficult to do, just like religious conversions.

I am really happy that at least 3 schools are using Linux in Hyderabad
(But was hoping for at least 10 in 1 year) . Also happy that I was able to
compile a Free Software CD full of Educational softwares and the like
for schools and colleges, which was a requirement & result of Vande
Mataram high school implementation.

Its called Linvertor.

Cheers
Herald.

Dear Herald
Any change is difficult. We should be feel good that
at least 3 schools are using Linux. At IIM, Ahmedabad
we also have been trying to promote FOSS in many
schools. Would you believe that more than 150
principals of top schools of the country have been
given presentations and CDs, but not much
breakthroughs. I believe we should keep trying and at
one point it is going to take off. Then nothing can
stop it. We also must understand why schools are not
going for FOSS inspite of so much advantages and try
to work upon them.

All the best. Laxman

--- linux_schools <linux_schools@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello friends
>
> By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools
> creation.
>
> We have turned exactly 1 year today.
>
> In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1
> school.
>
> 2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of
> Vikram.
>
> So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.
>
> Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom
> time, 40% of H1B
> holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage
> there hardly any
> awareness.
>
>
>
> If the members put some efforts definitely within
> the next year, shall
> we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???
>
> When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June
> last year, many
> people came forward to do something to spread Linux
> in schools . But
> nothing happened in 1 years time.
>
> There are thousands of private schools out there .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Congrats!!!

That isn't a bad Stats at all.

--arky

--- linux_schools <linux_schools@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello friends
>
> By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools
> creation.
>
> We have turned exactly 1 year today.
>
> In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1
> school.
>
> 2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of
> Vikram.
>
> So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.
>
> Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom
> time, 40% of H1B
> holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage
> there hardly any
> awareness.
>
>
>
> If the members put some efforts definitely within
> the next year, shall
> we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???
>
> When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June
> last year, many
> people came forward to do something to spread Linux
> in schools . But
> nothing happened in 1 years time.
>
> There are thousands of private schools out there .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     linux_schools-unsubscribe@...
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Hello friends

By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools creation.

We have turned exactly 1 year today.

In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1 school.

2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of Vikram.

So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.

Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom time, 40% of H1B
holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage there hardly any
awareness.



If the members put some efforts definitely within the next year, shall
we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???

When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June last year, many
people came forward to do something to spread Linux in schools . But
nothing happened in 1 years time.

There are thousands of private schools out there .


Cheers
Herald.

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Hi,
   I have taken liberty to change/correct some of the
content of the projects k12book.Its a rough copy coded
in LaTex using Lyx.Currently it only contains only the
chapter outlines.

   Please provide comments, would like to code
GNU/linux computer book in DocBook,please contact me
off-list.

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Hello friends

How about a virtual meet of linux_schools group ?

I suggest a time in the evening like after 6.00 pm.

It will be pretty soon.

cheers
Herald.

Hello

Added a small case study of the K12LTSP implementation at
http://k12ltsp.org/casestudy.html . The case study is at the bottom of
the page. You can search for Hyderabad keyword to go directly to the
case study.


Cheers
Herald.

hi arjun,

its good to know that u have been using linux for very
long, from 5th year onwards.

all the best for ur future.
bye

mani kanth
mafoi mgmt consultants
--- Arjun Asthana <arjunasthana@...> wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> I am using (presently) Red Flag Linux 4.0, which is
> a desktop distro and
> mimics Win 2000, therefore pretty easy to migrate
> people to Linux (c;
>
> I am in Delhi/India.
>
> I have not been part of the group earlier, so I dont
> know who uses Linux in
> school, but I am pretty keen to promote Linux and
> can demonstrate
> installation, configuring services and general
> usage.
>
> Regards
> Arjun Asthana
> Linux user since 1999
> --
> Regards,
>  Arjun Asthana
>
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>
>
>
>
>




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Hi!

I am using (presently) Red Flag Linux 4.0, which is a desktop distro and
mimics Win 2000, therefore pretty easy to migrate people to Linux (c;

I am in Delhi/India.

I have not been part of the group earlier, so I dont know who uses Linux in
school, but I am pretty keen to promote Linux and can demonstrate
installation, configuring services and general usage.

Regards
Arjun Asthana
Linux user since 1999
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Please accepts our best wishes for the Linux@Schools
and its members.

--arky

--- linux_schools <linux_schools@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> It all started by the Correspondent of the school
> Mr.Aditya Pratap Rao contacting the linux_schools
> group .
>
> From  "vprataprao_in" <vprataprao_in@...>
> Date:  Fri Mar 26, 2004  7:37 am
> Subject:  Linux in School
>
> Hi,
> I happen to be the correspondent of a High School in
> Goshamahal and a Linux enthusiast. I am interested
> in
> introducing
> Linux in my school. I have about four / five
> computers
> in the
> computer lab. I am running Fedora on two of them,
> though I have not
> been successful in networking them.
> I was on the look out for some useful software for
> school
> kids based on linux. At last I have found a group to
> cater to the
> needs of schools.
> I am certainly ready to implement Linux in my
> school.
> Kindly let me know the details.
> Thanking in advance,
>
> Aditya Pratap V.
>
> ----
>
> The school has classes from LKG to 10th class.
> Strength of students is around 600.
>
> We planned to teach around 10 teachers first before
> teaching the students.
>
>  The training for the teachers was started in June
> 2nd
> week. The teachers had absolutely no knowledge of
> using a computer. Teachers were given training in
> groups of 2 or 3 whenever they had spare time. Their
> normal class schedule was not disturbed. They were
> given around 10 classes training over a period of 2
> weeks, 1 hour daily.
>
> These were the softwares used for training the
> teachers:
>
> GCompris for keyboard,mouse operation etc, for about
> 5
> classes until they got accustomed to use mouse and
> keyboard with some ease.
>
> Also learnt advanced colour names while using
> Gcompris
>  .
>
> Tuxtype
> Tuxpaint
>
> gedit for typing practice .
>
> Teachers used their respective class text books as
> typing material. Eg: Typing a nursery rhyme by LKG
> teacher. I need not explain the benefits of doing
> so.
> The aim is to use Computer as a learning and
> teaching
> tool to enhance the learning and teaching experience
> of any subject.
>
> Some teachers even had computers at home , but were
> afraid to use it. Some were very nervous that they
> didnt know anything about computers and were asking
> regulary if their progress was good.
>
> To make it easy for the teachers to use mouse, the
> GNOME desktop was simplified. Only the relevant
> programs mentioned above were added to the task bar.
> RedHat Start button was removed.
>
> Icons and taskbar were made extra large to make it
> easy  for them to learn using mouse.
>
> We planned to teach the Higher classes like 10th
> standard first and teach the lower classes one by
> one.
> 10th class were briefly introduced to theory and
> then
> they practised for around 10 days since they have to
> concentrate on board exams.
>
> And the school intends to teach computers from 5th
> class to 10th class
> students only.
>
> The 9th class students have been given unique
> project
> of preparing a magazine in groups of 8 students.
> They
> have to collect information from various sources
> like
> newspaper, books,magazines etc . At a time 2
> students
> work on the project on a computer.
>
>
>
> These may be useful tips for other schools:
>
> 1. Don't burden the students with Computer Science
> syllabus (Like
> Word,excel,powerpoint,internet,Programming etc ),
> who
> are already over burdened by their normal school
> syllabus.(Internet may be good when supervised and
> controlled.In many
>  schools,most of the time it is being used for
> playing online games
> and other timewasting things. Also it may take a few
> more years in
> India when internet becomes as cheap as cable tv)
>
> 2.Keep in mind "LESS IS MORE".
>
> 3.Teach only basics. Invent/device/create/experiment
> activities using Computers to complement and enhance
> the learning and teaching process of different
> school subjects.
>
> Car driver doesnt need to know how to repair a car
> or
> how to design a car. He just has to learn driving
> and
> use it to travel .Using imagination we can travel to
> interesting places.
>
> In the same way use the computer
> for doing creative activities like creating a
> magazine, creating paintings by children using
> tuxpaint and so on.
>
>
> I definitely feel, a lot of
> interesting and creative activities will be carried
> out at Vandemataram High school in the years to
> come.
> There are enough educational softwares in K12LTSP to
> explore and more are being added with every new
> release.
>
> Vande Mataram !!!
> -----------------
>
> I am extremely thankful to Mr.Aditya Pratap Rao, for
> giving me an
> opportunity to implement K12LTSP Linux in the
> school. I also thank the
> teachers who showed great enthusiasm to learn and
> patiently followed
> the theory and practicals .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald D'Sa.
>
> P.S: Please let me know if there is any school which
> has implemented
> GNU/Linux in school in AP, before Vande Mataram has
> done so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     linux_schools-unsubscribe@...
>
>
>
>
>
>


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   |        Bangalore (INDIA)         |
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It all started by the Correspondent of the school
Mr.Aditya Pratap Rao contacting the linux_schools
group .

From  "vprataprao_in" <vprataprao_in@...>
Date:  Fri Mar 26, 2004  7:37 am
Subject:  Linux in School

Hi,
I happen to be the correspondent of a High School in
Goshamahal and a Linux enthusiast. I am interested in
introducing
Linux in my school. I have about four / five computers
in the
computer lab. I am running Fedora on two of them,
though I have not
been successful in networking them.
I was on the look out for some useful software for
school
kids based on linux. At last I have found a group to
cater to the
needs of schools.
I am certainly ready to implement Linux in my school.
Kindly let me know the details.
Thanking in advance,

Aditya Pratap V.

----

The school has classes from LKG to 10th class.
Strength of students is around 600.

We planned to teach around 10 teachers first before
teaching the students.

  The training for the teachers was started in June 2nd
week. The teachers had absolutely no knowledge of
using a computer. Teachers were given training in
groups of 2 or 3 whenever they had spare time. Their
normal class schedule was not disturbed. They were
given around 10 classes training over a period of 2
weeks, 1 hour daily.

These were the softwares used for training the
teachers:

GCompris for keyboard,mouse operation etc, for about 5
classes until they got accustomed to use mouse and
keyboard with some ease.

Also learnt advanced colour names while using Gcompris
  .

Tuxtype
Tuxpaint

gedit for typing practice .

Teachers used their respective class text books as
typing material. Eg: Typing a nursery rhyme by LKG
teacher. I need not explain the benefits of doing so.
The aim is to use Computer as a learning and teaching
tool to enhance the learning and teaching experience
of any subject.

Some teachers even had computers at home , but were
afraid to use it. Some were very nervous that they
didnt know anything about computers and were asking
regulary if their progress was good.

To make it easy for the teachers to use mouse, the
GNOME desktop was simplified. Only the relevant
programs mentioned above were added to the task bar.
RedHat Start button was removed.

Icons and taskbar were made extra large to make it
easy  for them to learn using mouse.

We planned to teach the Higher classes like 10th
standard first and teach the lower classes one by one.
10th class were briefly introduced to theory and then
they practised for around 10 days since they have to
concentrate on board exams.

And the school intends to teach computers from 5th class to 10th class
students only.

The 9th class students have been given unique project
of preparing a magazine in groups of 8 students. They
have to collect information from various sources like
newspaper, books,magazines etc . At a time 2 students
work on the project on a computer.



These may be useful tips for other schools:

1. Don't burden the students with Computer Science
syllabus (Like
Word,excel,powerpoint,internet,Programming etc ), who
are already over burdened by their normal school
syllabus.(Internet may be good when supervised and controlled.In many
  schools,most of the time it is being used for playing online games
and other timewasting things. Also it may take a few more years in
India when internet becomes as cheap as cable tv)

2.Keep in mind "LESS IS MORE".

3.Teach only basics. Invent/device/create/experiment
activities using Computers to complement and enhance
the learning and teaching process of different school subjects.

Car driver doesnt need to know how to repair a car or
how to design a car. He just has to learn driving and
use it to travel .Using imagination we can travel to
interesting places.

In the same way use the computer
for doing creative activities like creating a
magazine, creating paintings by children using
tuxpaint and so on.


I definitely feel, a lot of
interesting and creative activities will be carried
out at Vandemataram High school in the years to come.
There are enough educational softwares in K12LTSP to
explore and more are being added with every new
release.

Vande Mataram !!!
-----------------

I am extremely thankful to Mr.Aditya Pratap Rao, for giving me an
opportunity to implement K12LTSP Linux in the school. I also thank the
teachers who showed great enthusiasm to learn and patiently followed
the theory and practicals .


Cheers
Herald D'Sa.

P.S: Please let me know if there is any school which has implemented
GNU/Linux in school in AP, before Vande Mataram has done so.

Hello

I am happy to announce this great news to you all.

Here is directly from the Principals Desk:

------------------
From the principal's desk:

The school was planning to introduce computers in a phased manner as a
part of the curriculum.

We were intending to introduce computers as aid to the learning
process of our school children. Our aim was not to burden the students
with a new subject but to make the learning process more lively and
interesting.

Due to budget constraints we could not think of implementing any
Microsoft product.

Our correspondent, Mr. Aditya Pratap has been using Linux for a long
time now. He suggested that we install Linux in our computer lab. He
contacted Mr. Herald through Linux User Group. Mr. Herald was kind
enough to take the trouble of installing K12LTSP on our school
computers.

We found K12LTSP to be an interesting software, complete with a set of
really useful programs that our students found very interesting.
Mr. Herald also undertook the role of giving training. He first
trained 10 of our teachers, who were completely new to computers, the
fundamentals of computers.

This training continued for about two
Weeks. The training consisted of how to handle computers - the use of
keyboard and mouse. Then they were introduced to programs like
gcompris, which we found very useful for beginners, TuxType and
TuxPaint. Then slowly wordprocessing was introduced to them in the
form of "GEdit".

There are a lot many programs in K12LTSP that are useful for the
students.

These teachers have now started training the students in using
computers. The students have now become more confident in using
computers.

Computers have been introduced from Class V onwards.
The students of Class IX have been given a small project of taking out
a magazine by collecting information from various sources and
collating it using gedit.

In the beginning I was a little apprehensive about the response, but
now I find that both the teachers and the students are comfortable.
Linux has helped not only in reducing the implementation cost to the
absolute minimum but also has given a stable platform which doesn't
require any form of maintenance or interference. It has been more than
three months now since we implemented this Linux based learning. There
haven't been any breakdowns, virus attacks or any other form of
disturbances.

The students are enjoying their computer period and are  finding it
useful as well.

We are very thankful to Mr. Herald for having taken time to come down
to our school and train our teachers and students.

Principal
Vande Mataram Bala Vatika High School,
Goshamahal, Hyderabad - 12
-------------------


More details would be given in next postings.

Cheers
Herald D'Sa.

suggestions for book11.pdf

page #3 "Table of contents instead" of just "contents"
Page # 23 Lycoris , Lindows aka Linspire logos are definetly out becuase they
dont share with
community

if i would have been given a choice even fedora will be out , knoppix has
terminal server that
will suffice out needs.
page #24 same as above
page #38 typo ;-) activaties in the heading

Otherwise it looks ok, i will try to send a doc on similar lines

in the meantime you can refer to book.schoolforge.net also


cheers
Satyakam




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Hello

I have created one small image for learning typing. It has qwerty asdf
etc as they are on keyboard.

Files-> asdf.jpg and qwerty.jpg

Both are same with different colour combinations.

It has been created using tuxpaint.

Tuxpaint could be useful for preparing small graphical charts or
presentations.


You can also see them in photos section.

Herald.

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hi!  Here there is a list of linux educational software that I think will be
useful in the schools. I downloaded already some of this packages, in tar.gzip
format. The thing is that I do not manage to compile them in the schools. So
please if someone (this goes for Anil seth and Ashley) can find and download
the RPM will be really appreciated. Another problem is that different schools
have different distributions of linux. I really need this RPM for Mandrake9 (in
olps). For mandrake10 will be important to have them in one month, because is
the system we are going to install in Siolim Supercomplex (4-5 schools).
Red-hat 7.2 is running in chorao and hcs. So, find what you can. Also windows
software can be useful, if you know something or have something please put it
together.

The list:

This list of software is from www.gnu.org/home.html


BKchem is a chemical drawing program written in Python. It is platform
independent
http://www.zirael.org/bkchem/

Chemtool is a GTK+-based 2D chemical structure editor for X11. It draws organic
molecules easily and store them as a X bitmap file. You can export drawings in
XFig format for further annotation, or as Postscript files (using xfig's
companion program transfig). The distribution includes a set of sample
molecular structure drawings.
http://ruby.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/~martin/chemtool/

E-Cell System is an object-oriented software suite for modelling, simulation,
and analysis of large scale complex systems such as biological cells. It allows
many components, driven by multiple algorithms with different timescales, to
coexist. The core library is written in C++ with a Python binding, and frontend
software uses Python.
http://ecell.sf.net/

'GenChemLab' is an OpenGL-based application intended to simulate several common
general chemistry laboratory exercises. It is meant to be used to help students
prepare for actual lab experience. Supported experiments include titration,
calorimetry, freezing point depression, vapor pressure, electrochemistry, and
spectrophotometry
http://genchemlab.sourceforge.net/

Earth3D visualizes the earth in realtime in a 3D view. You can rotate and zoom
the view until countries, cities and even single houses become visible (in
areas where the necessary map resolution is available), and fly around. You can
also embed external data like current earthquake positions or cloud data.
Additional data layers can be added to the view, e.g. country flags and names.
http://www.earth3d.org

Xrmap interactively displays portions of the Earth, using the huge CIA world
vector map. It is based on an earlier console utility 'rmap' by Reza Naima
(http://www.reza.net/rmap/). It shows political boundaries, major and minor
rivers, glaciers, lakes, canals, etc. The map is accurate to a very large zoom
factor (possibly exceeding 100). Spherical, rectangular, Mercator and Miller
projections are implemented, and all features can be set interactively from the
GUI.
http://frmas.free.fr/li_1.htm

Calcoo is a scientific calculator designed to provide maximum usability. Its
features bitmapped button labels and display digits to improve readability, no
double-function buttons, undo/redo buttons, copy/paste interaction with the X
clipboard, both RPN and algebraic modes, two memory registers with displays,
displays for Y, Z, and T registers, and tick marks to separate thousands.
http://calcoo.sourceforge.net/

Dr. Genius Refers to Geometric Exploration and Numeric Intuitive User System.
It is a merge of two projects: Dr. Geo and the Genius calculator.
The Genius Calculator is a multiple precision calculator with an interpreted
language, GEL, plus a large mathematical library written in GEL. Dr. Geo is a
vector drawing software with mathematical constraints- we call this
"interactive geometry."
http://drgenius.seul.org/

Lets user draw geometric figures based on mathematical properties and move part
of that figure with respect to its properties. Dr. Geo is an educational
package designed to explore geometry interactively (as opposed to seeing
figures drawn on a sheet of paper). The interface is simple but efficient for
younger users, can handle different languages, and can be used by either
geometry or computer science teachers.
http://ofset.sourceforge.net/drgeo/

The player has 16 cards with numbers. An operation is displayed on a small
screen at the right of the board. You have to click on the right answer on the
board. The card with the answer disappears. Kalcul supports addition,
subtraction, multiplication, and division. There are 3 levels: easy, medium and
hard.
http://website.lineone.net/~a-m.mahfouf/kalcul.html

Spotter lets students check their answers to math and science questions. It
tells whether the answer is correct, and can also help diagnose an incorrect
answer; the instructor can also add hints. Spotter isn't limited to numerical
problems. For instance, if the problem is to solve the equation x-b-7a=0 for x,
the student can type in either b+7a or 7a+b as the answer, and the program will
know it's correct. Spotter is set up as an interactive web page that you can
access through any computer that has an internet connection and a web browser.
http://www.lightandmatter.com/spotter/spotter.html

Tux Math Scrabble is a math version of the popular board game. It is highly
entertaining as well as great educational value. The game challenges young
people to construct compound equations and consider multiple abstract
possibilities. There are three skill-levels for practice from basic addition
and subtraction through to multiplication and division.
http://www.asymptopia.org/

WIMS (WWW Interactive Mathematics Server) is a CGI Web application that hosts
interactive mathematical activities such as exercises, computational math, and
graphing tools. It features automatic score processing with strong
anti-cheating mechanisms, virtual classes allowing teachers to guide/control
student works, online exercise creation, animated graphics, a message board
allowing inline mathematical formulas, and more. It can also be used for
education within other disciplines.
http://wims.unice.fr/

GCompris is a complete educational suite for children from 2 to 10. It includes
more than 40 activities. It is board-based and currently includes several
boards. It offers activities dedicated to little kids like learning the mouse
and keybord. It teaches letters, numbers, words, basic algebra training,
reading time on an analog clock, vector drawing, and much more.
http://gcompris.sourceforge.net/about.html

'JILetters' assists young children with learning the Western alphabet through
visual and auditory means. It uses a phonic representation of each letter and
cursive script to present the letters of the alphabet. It lets children
memorise letters from visual cues.
http://jiletters.sf.net

The Vocabumonkey project aims to produce a highly accessible collection of
software focused on math and language skills grounded in proven learning
principles that cater to real learning needs.
http://www.vocabumonkey.org/

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-----------

Here there is other names of interesting packages, but I do not have the web:

bookcase

cbtcombo

childsplay

spotter



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  		 Free Software is  the way to go if we desire  to have a
  		 society where children are taught to be independent,
  		 resourceful, productive, co-operative, rational, intelligent
  		 and socially responsible. The Free Software Movement has
  		 contributed several thousand useful applications.  With
  		 little effort from more volunteers, we could make the free
  		 software wealth reach everyone.-- Ramanraj K
  		 <ramanraj@...>

############################################################################

HACKERS WANTED, FSF CALLING: From the FSF-India mailing list
http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-prog there's a word of advice from
Anand Babu <ab@...>: "Yes I am need of developers for Free Software
Projects. If you are new to FSF projects, (you can get started) like this

  	 * Setup a Debian GNU/Linux system (best distro for developers)
  	 * Create an account for yourself at http://savannah.gnu.org.
  	 * Take a look at current GNU Task List at
    	   https://savannah.gnu.org/people/?group=tasklist

Choose one and start hacking. This process will help you prepare yourself
with the GNU's way of hacking software. Then, when you feel you are ready
for the main stream, you can jump into GNU Hurd kernel hacking (the most
important pending task).

Anand Babu <ab@...> said at another time: "Kernel hacking is too
difficult for newbies. I need developers with sold experience in C and
system programming with a Hacker's attitude. I would recommend newbies to
start hacking at the applications level, submitting patches, getting
familiar with GNU coding standards and Free Software development model."

############################################################################

[GNU]LINUX DEMO DAY IN DELHI:  Raj Mathur <raju@...> announced
plans to hold a Linux Demo Day, organized by India Linux Users Group, Delhi
(ILUGD, www.linux-delhi.org).

  	 Says Mathur: "We will   be conducting Linux-related  talks  and
  	 presentations in the Hamdard Archives Auditorium, on Saturday, Sept
  	 25, 2004, by some of our resident experts, and hopefully they will
  	 interest people who've already taken the plunge as well as those who
  	 are just about to. There'll be lots of demonstrations/talks
  	 throughout the day and plenty of opportunities to gain hands-on
  	 experience of different Linux distributions and applications for
  	 yourself. There is space outside the auditorium, which will be used
  	 for giving the demos. The demos and the talks will go on
  	 concurrently. We'll also be distributing Linux goodies at low or no
  	 cost.

Venue: Jamia Hamdard Archives Auditorium Hamdard University, New Delhi
110062. Landmark: Adjacent to Batra Hospital. Entry from Gate 6 Date:
September 25, 2004 Time: 10 am-6 pm (Registration at 9:30 am)
Contact: ldd2k4@... Entry: Free -- all are invited.

############################################################################

  	 LINUX GURUS... IN BHOPAL: kvprashant@... has set up the
  	 Linux_Gurus mailing list.  He describes it as: "A new linux user
  	 group for people of Bhopal needs your help and guidence." Do
  	 support! To join, send a blank email to
  	 linux_gurus-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

############################################################################

SEPTEMBER 2004's issue of Developer IQ contains:

    	 * GCC 3.4.1, Tcl/Tk 8.5, Mono 1.0, Python 2.3.4, Visual Tcl 1.6.0,
    	   Mlton-Perl, PHP (among other programming tools).  Apache HTTP
    	   server, XEmacs 21.4.5, GTK+ 2.4, PHP source code.

    	 * CD2 is dedicated to the Morphix Gamer. Games run from your CD ROM
        	   drive, regardless of the OS you run.

A summary of the FLOSS-related content has been posted earlier to various
GNU/Linux lists in India.

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INDIA PRESIDENT'S VIEW ON FLOSS:
http://news.com.com/Indian+president+calls+for+open+source+in+defense/2100-7344_\
3-5259836.html


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  	 HINDI ET AL IN GNOME 2.0: Gnome 2.8 is released, with Hindi,
  	 Bengali, Gujarati, Punjabi and Tamil as supported languages.  See
  	 http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/ Source: Guntupalli Karunakar
  	 <karunakar@...> Indianisation work:
  	 http://www.indlinux.org

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INDIC SOLUTIONS? Interested in this field, check out
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indlinux-group

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  	 JOIN THE 'FRIENDLY LUG' ILUG-GOA'S mailing list at
  	 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa MAIN LIST
  	 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa-announce LOW VOLUME, ANNOUNCE
  	 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teach-yourself-linux FOR NEWBIES
  	 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linuxgoahelp TECH HELP LIST
  	 OR VISIT http://ilug-goa.notlong.com http://www.ilug-margao.org

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FLOSS IDEAS SPREADING? Please take a look at http://www.feetus.org.  V. Sasi
Kumar <vsasi@...> describes it thus: " Open access here in India. An
initiative worthy of promotion."

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PROMOTING A PROPRIETARY FORMAT, FORCING A PROPRIETARY APPLICATION: V. Sasi
Kumar <vsasi@...> of the Centre for Earth Science Studies in Tvn
writes: "Indian Institute of Science asks alumni to fill up their details in
a document in MS Word format. This is a mail I sent them more than two weeks
back. No response as yet.

"Sir, I find that the proforma for membership records is given in a
proprietary format (MS Word) which forces me to use a proprietary
application. Indirectly you are promoting a particular company's software
that uses a closed format for its files, which is not a very good practice
for an internationally reputed institute like IISc.

"Instead, I suggest that the proforma be made available in open formats like
Postscript, PDF, XML, etc. This would enable anyone using any word processor
or any free application (like xpdf, Open Office, etc.) to read the file
without loss of formatting. May I also point out that even our President,
Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, has prompted scientists and technologists to move
from proprietary software to free software for several reasons, including
national security and economics."

############################################################################

  	 UPDATES FROM BANGALORE: Atul Chitnis <achitnis@...> recently
  	 announced the launch of the Linux Bangalore/2004 website at
  	 http://linux-bangalore.org/2004

  	 Adds he: "On behalf of the managers of Linux Bangalore/2004 I invite
  	 all of you visit the site, read all it has to offer, then get onto
  	 the discussion list http://linux-bangalore.org/2004/discuss/ "

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INTERNATIONAL OPEN SOURCE NETWORK: The International Open Source Network
(IOSN - http://www.iosn.net) is a Centre of Excellence for Free / Open
Source Software in the Asia-Pacific Region. IOSN is an initiative of the
Asia-Pacific Information Development Programme (APDIP -
http://www.apdip.net), which has been supporting the strategic and effective
use of Information Communication Technology (ICT) for poverty alleviation
and sustainable human development in the Asia-Pacific region since 1997. Via
a small secretariat, the IOSN is tasked specifically to facilitate and
network Free / Open Source Software advocates and human resources in the
region. Activities undertaken by IOSN is listed below:

A. Free / Open Source Information Resource Facility

        1. Collaborative Website: On-going Mapping of Free / Open Source
           activities in Asia-Pacific;  Collaborative    database     of
           countries;   languages, fonts,and organisations in Asia-Pacific;
           On-line Information/Clearing-house and Mailing Lists
        2. Software Repository: A collection of FOSS software and GNU/Linux
           distributions specific to the Asia Pacific is being created.
        3. Documentation of Best Practise
        4. Open Source Primers: General FOSS by Kenneth Wong/Phet Sayo;
           Malaysia; Licensing by Shunling Chen-Taiwan; Policy by Kenneth
           Wong; Localisation by Anousak Souphavanh / Theppitak
           Karoonboonyanan - Thailand; Network/Security/Infrastructure by
           Gaurab Raj Upadhaya - Nepal; and Education by Wooi Tong Tan -
           Malaysia.

B. Creation of a Database of Free / Open Source Experts and Human
      Resources in the Region

        1. Networking of Experts
        2. Technical Support

C. Training and Workshops

        1. FOSSAP 2004: More than 50 senior policy makers and open source
           practitioners from 20 countries attended this event.
           http://www.iosn.net/fossap/
        2. Training of Trainers: We are currently planning the first
           training in Vietnam in partnership with Linux Professional
           Institute

D. Research and Development

        1. Localisation Toolkit in collaboration with Centre for Advanced
           Computing [CDAC], India
        2. End-user training material in Text and Multimedia format. Script
           by Dr. Nah Soo Hoe, Malaysia and production by GetIT multimedia,
           Singapore.
        3. GNU/Linux Live CD Project by Colin Charles, Australia of the
           Fedora Project.
        4. Q&A on FOSS R&D/Case Studies of implementations
        5. Micro-grant Programme in collaboration with University of South
           Pacific

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AN INDIAN IN MALAYSIA: Nice to note that Sunil Abraham  sunil@... has
taken on the responsibility of being the Manager of the International Open
Source Network. He's located at UNDP Asia-Pacific Development Information
Programme Wisma UN, Block C Kompleks Pejabat Damansara. Jalan Dungun,
Damansara Heights. 50490 Kuala Lumpur. P. O. Box 12544, 50782, Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia Telephones: (60) 3-2091-5167, Fax: (60) 3-2095-2087

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  	 LINDEC: Check plans for the Linux Desktop Conference --
  	 http://www.gnomebangalore.org/lindec/ -- that happens on September
  	 26 (Sunday), 2004.

############################################################################

DISCUSSION ON THE chillu character in Mayalayam Unicode. One well-informed
discussant was Mahesh T. Pai * http://paivakil.port5.com

############################################################################

MORE ON INDIC ISSUES: Javier SOLA <javier@...> says that discussion
on some Indic issues in Unicode is available at
http://www.unicode.org/~ecartis/indic/ Contact Javier for the required
user-id and password needed to access.

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GNU/LINUX EQUIVALENTS: Sreekiran <dwija@...> drew attention to a
file of GNU/Linux equivalents in software terms:
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml

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INDIC LOCALIZERS MEET AT MUMBAI: G Karunakar <karunakar@...>
announced the Indic Localizers Meet that was held on Sept 18-19 in Mumbai.
For more details see http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/IndicMeet

Languagewise participants expected were:

    *  Bengali - Ankur group - Sayamindu Dasgupta, Sankarshan
       Mukhopadhyay/Runa Bhattacharjee, Indranil Das Gupta
    *  Gujarati - Utkarsh - Nirav Mehta, Ankur Patel
    *  Hindi - IndLinux - G Karunakar, Ravishankar Shrivastava
    *  Kannada - Pramod Raghavendra, Hari Prasad Nadig
    *  Marathi - Indictrans - Jitendra Shah, Swapnil Hajare
    *  Malayalam - SMC group - Mahesh T Pai , Arun M
    *  Punjabi - Punlinux, Amampreet Singh Alam
    *  Oriya - oriya.sarovar.org - Gora Mohanty
    *  Telugu - ?
    *  Tamil - Tamillinux team - R Hariram Aatreya, N Jayaradha
    *  Urdu - Ravikant Sharma

Others

    *  Nagarjuna G - FSF India, TIFR
    *  Prakash Advani - Onward Novell India
    *  Venky Hariharan - Red Hat India
    *  Abhijit Dutta - IBM India
    *  Dr Om Vikas - TDIL, MIT, GOI
    *  Hema Murthy - ?TeNet, IIT Chennai
    *  Alka Irani - CDAC
    *  M Sasikumar - CDAC
    *  Michael Sauntak - Burmese Localization


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FROM PAKISTAN: The Open Source Resource Center (OSRC)
[http://www.osrc.org.pk] had scheduled a seminar on Free and Open Source
Software in Karachi on 14 September 2004. For registration and details,
visit http://www.osrc.org.pk/seminar/

The Open Source Resource Center (OSRC) is a first such forum in Pakistan
created by Pakistan Software Export Board (G) Ltd. [http://www.pseb.org.pk/]
at Islamabad. The Resource Center aims to bring together wide range of
expertise related to [Free/Libre and] Open Source Technologies and Resources
at one place. The IT companies can access, share, and contribute the
knowledge particular to the development and transformation of IT products on
FLOSS. The Resource Center works to bring together established technology
vendors, startups, open source community members and enterprise IT
users/customers to jointly explore new opportunities for OSS deployment and
how to capitalize on them.

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FLOSS AND EDUCATION: Thanks to the IOSN-General mailing list for this, and
Nandalal Gunaratne of the Lanka Linux User Group.

http://www.schoolforge.net
http://www.schoolforge.org.uk
http://www.schooltool.org
http://www.scholarpack.org
http://www.theopencd.sunsite.dk
http://www.lfsp.net (linux for schools project)
http://http://www.affs.org.uk/education/index.html  Free Software assn.
http;//edu.kde.org kde edutainment
http://www.tux4kids.com/tyx4kids
http://www.debian,org/devel/debian-jr
http://www.bluelinux.org
http:/k12os.org
http://www.osef.org/
http://richtex.ca/seul
http://www.freeeduc.org

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  	 PRIMER ON FLOSS, VIA MALAYSIA: IOSN has produced a primer on
  	 Free/Open Source Software Licensing and an early pre-copyedited
  	 draft of the primer is now available for public review and feedback.
  	 This primer is an introductory summary of licensing issues involved
  	 with using the different FOSS licenses, primarily the GNU GPL
  	 license. It offers several scenarios, and proposes a framework for
  	 licensing of government sponsored software.  The primer also
  	 addresses common questions and misconceptions regarding copyright
  	 and licensing issues. Further details from khairil@...
  	 http://www.iosn.net/licensing/foss-licensing-primer/

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IOSN mailing list. Join the International Open Source Network
(Malaysia-based) mailing list iosn-general@...
http://lists.apdip.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iosn-general

############################################################################

SOME ASIAN G/LINKS AND GNU/LUGS: A query brought in some interesting links
to LUGs in and around Asia. Here's a listing of some:

Lanka Linux User Group (LK-LUG) has been operating since 1998.They also have
a localization project: http://sinhala.linux.lk Check out more details at
http://www.linux.lk or http://www.lug.lk

Cambodia's English-language Majordomo-based mailing-list is at
linux@... Once there, one can also have a look at their KhmerOS
Initiative, to create UNICODE based Khmer language software -- in both the
Windows and the Linux environments. Check out http://www.KhmerOS.info

The Iranian LUG is pretty active: http://www.farsilinux.org Saudi's mailing
list is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saudi_linux/

Outside this continent, but probably having shared interests is the
http://fossfa.net This is the body working to promote Free and Open Source
Software in Africa. It has some 53 member states.

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  	 THE STEPS AHEAD: Anand Babu wrote to friends from South Africa that
  	 the FSF-India working group is discussing initiatives on
  	 e-governance, localization and live CD distributions,
  	 super-computing grid and other core GNU tasks through Free Software
  	 Development Lab. Says he: "So far Government has hardly done
  	 anything for the Free Software Movement in India. Here is a three
  	 step approach they need to take: (1) Standardize on Free Software
  	 for all Governmental use. (2) Actively support and promote (educate)
  	 Free Software as #1 choice for the community (3) Fund Free Software
  	 initiatives.

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OPEN OFFICE IN KANNADA: Pramod R <pramodleo@...> recently announced
that OpenOffice.org in Kannada is nearing 100% translations. Said he: "We
hope to have a review of the same during October 2nd & 3rd. For details:
http://www.kannudi.org/wiki/index.php?title=Openoffice.org_First_Review_Meet

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NEWSLETTER ON LOCALIZATION: Localization Newsletter Issue 6, Vol 1 ( 1st
September 2004) is out, and available at
http://www.indlinux.org/nl/issue6.html

Highlights include * KDE Hindi translation review workshop at Sarai
* New Pango releases * Mozilla supports Pango upstream * Indic printing to work
from Gnome 2.8 (release mid-Sept) *  Utkal - New Oriya Opentype font available
- http://oriya.sarovar.org/download/utkalm.ttf.gz
* Indic Unicode issues and updates on Indic list at Unicode.
* Tamil PC team featured in Team watch

For older issues of L10n Newsletter check http://www.indlinux.org/nl/

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USEFUL SCRIPT FOR STUDENTS: Robin Turner of Bilkent Universitesi in
Ankara-Turkey <robin@...> recently announced on the FSF-India
list that he has just updated his script for enabling students to upload
their work via a web page. Improvements: 1. Students choose which essay they
are submitting and the program automatically renames the file to something
appropriate ("this is because I am fed up with recieving files named 'My
Essay.doc'"); 2. The program now runs in taint mode and untaints submitted
variables ("I don't know if this really makes it any more secure, but it
makes me feel righteous"). If anyone wants to use it, it's at
<www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin/scripts/101upload.cgi>.

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Hello All

Please look at the Tux painting adoring linux_schools group

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_schools/

This was created by Ms.Mehek , 11 year old from Hyderabad using tuxpaint.

Can we  compare the penguin pyramids to OSS development model ?

This painting depicts a game held in India during Lord Krishnas
birthday celebrations. The purpose of the game is to break one pot
filled with some treasure high above the ground.

During the game, the participants are disturbed by throwing water on
them by the spectators. The participants fall many times.

Recently there was one article about the OSS development model having
no democratic setup. The complaint was only a few people called the
"inner core"  do the real development.

I feel the pyramid painting rightly depicts this scenario.

The inner core are responsible for most of the things, but we have to
also consider the support of the lower layer of the pyramid.

Shall we have some discussion on this.


Herald.

Hello Friends

I created a webpage for this group a few weeks back.

Here it is:

linuxschools.tripod.com



There is not much content right now.

It could be used for downloading useful things from this group without
logging in to yahoogroups.

Feedback welcome.

Herald.

Dear Sanjeev
You can follow the syllabus that the board is having
as there are alternative to all proprietary software
in OSS. We have put together them in 4 CDs. Once you
start we can give you the same.

We are located in Ahmedabad.

Regards.. Laxman

  --- coverify <coverify@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just joined the group. I am working for a non
> profit organization
> (www.hohinc.org) and we are planning to setup a
> school computer lab
> in Bangalore. The address of the school is-
>
> ATMA SHREE EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
> 7th MAIN ROAD THAYAGARAGANAGAR,
> BANGALORE 560028 INDIA
>
> I am looking for resources that could -
>   1. Support the hardware
>   2. Syllabus based on open source software for
> children of class 1
> to Xth.
>   Since the standard of English is not very good,
> are there any
> support for "Kannada" language.
>   3. Are there any such center in Bangalore that we
> can contact.
>
> Thanks
> sanjeev
>
>
>

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Hi,
I just joined the group. I am working for a non profit organization
(www.hohinc.org) and we are planning to setup a school computer lab
in Bangalore. The address of the school is-

ATMA SHREE EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
7th MAIN ROAD THAYAGARAGANAGAR,
BANGALORE 560028 INDIA

I am looking for resources that could -
   1. Support the hardware
   2. Syllabus based on open source software for children of class 1
to Xth.
   Since the standard of English is not very good, are there any
support for "Kannada" language.
   3. Are there any such center in Bangalore that we can contact.

Thanks
sanjeev

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A guide to complement the already existing documentation out there!

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