--- coverify@... wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:54:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: <coverify@...>
> Subject: LTSP Setup working
> To: jj3kk@..., Rakesh 'arky' Ambati
> <rakesh_ambati@...>
>
> Hi,
> With help from Zabil, the LTSP setup is working
> fine.
> Currently we have 5 diskless clients and 4 legacy
> windows mc. The windows mc have the option of
> booting
> from floppy and becoming LTSP clients. So in total
> there are 9 clients.
>
> The only thing left is to make the cabling neater.
> Expecting to be done by Friday. The only thing that
> did not work was the scanner. I bought the Benq4300
> USB scanner but it does not work. On invoking "sane"
> I
> get device io error.
>
> Internet is not yet up as I am waiting for BSNL to
> install the modem. We are getting a 256Kb broadband
> for Rs500 per month.(DataOne scheme)
>
> The next focus is on what we would like to teach and
> collecting the materials for it. I will be leaving
> Blore on March 10th and so the coming weekend is the
> last one I have. Please send me any useful links
> (also
> the one with the material Hearald has done). If
> possible I would like to get together this coming
> weekend to come with a syllabus for the school.
>
> Also can you forward this email to other linux users
> in Blore. They are welcome to come to the school
> anytime and also over the weekend to look at the
> setup. They can call me at 9341455165 for
> directions.
> I think this is the first LTSP setup in Blore (I
> love
> to be wrong) and so a little bit of awareness would
> help others.
>
> with regards
> sanjeev
>
>
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Yes, of course.

Not only a wide range of FLOSS software is available
for the schools, you can even get technical help from
various GNU/Linux User Groups around india.Please go
thro archives of the linux_schools user groups and
K12linux.org site is best place to start.

Regards

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> then can be a example for others.
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Dear All
If I want to run a school totally using FOSS, can I
do. I want to automate the school to the maximum. We
are going to start a school from next year. I will
like people to help us in this direction. This school
then can be a example for others.
--- "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred@...>
wrote:

>
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, kamathln wrote:
>
>
> > Hey what about the activites of this group? HWy so
> down?
> > Have you started somewhere else?
>
> If every one of us undertakes the responsibility of
> posting something
> useful, at least once a week, there will be a lot of
> (useful) activity
> here. What say? FN
>
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Hello

I have uploaded around 20 tuxpaintings done by me at the link below.


http://linuxschools.tripod.com/tuxp1.html

The purpose is to encourage children and even adults to show that we
can enjoy computers by using softwares like tuxpaint.

Send in your tuxpaintings and I will put them up at the groups
website.


Herald.

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, kamathln wrote:


> Hey what about the activites of this group? HWy so down?
> Have you started somewhere else?

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useful, at least once a week, there will be a lot of (useful) activity
here. What say? FN
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Hey what about the activites of this group? HWy so down?
Have you started somewhere else?

Hello members

Latest CDs are made available in Ameerpet

Fedora Core 3, Mandrake 10.1 official, Lormalinux 5.0, Linvertor
bundle of Free softwares for windows (Openoffice 1.1.3,firefox 1.0,
GCompris, tuxpaint and so on )


For phone numbers, timings address etc see the group created solely
for distributing Linux cds in Hyderabad

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/ignu

Soon K12LTSP 4.2.0 which is based on FC3 will be available.


And Finally Wish you all Happy new year 2005. Let us come together to
make it the year of Linux in India in schools


Herald.

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The 8th edition about GAMGI, a free material education program, about
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Forskningsparken, Gaustadalle 21, 0349 OSLO, NORWAY.

Depending on the feedback I got, I had alloted
Rs15,000 for setting up and conducting a 15 day on
site class.

Please tell me an attractive proposal that will
attract  people in LUG and I will bring it to the
board's notice.

I hope that there is no confusion that since it is a
"non profit", only hw would be paid for. Everyone's
time would be compensated for. Similarly once anyone
commits, I would epxect the same level of comitment
from the individual.

It has been our experience in other projects that this
ensures long lasting quality effort.

-sanjeev



--- linux_schools <linux_schools@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In linux_schools@...,
> <coverify@y...> wrote:
>
> > After a lengthy discussion the problem boiled down
> to
> > support. I could not find any local company/person
> in
> > Blore which can support it. I found a sw vendor
> from
> > Kannur that had done this.
> > (http://s2s2net.netfirms.com/index.html)
> > But every one was unsure how out of station
> support
> > would work.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any person that can provide
> > support for LTSP on a need basis. I could then
> propose
> > that we buy the hw from reputed vendor with
> warranty
> > and be left only with support for LTSP from
> private
> > individual on a per need basis. Can this be done
> > remotely ?
> > Does the plan sound feasible ?
> >
> > -sanjeev
> >
>
>
> Hello
>
> I feel its a  great opportunity to train some
> hardware support people
> on LINUX and LTSP  near the school.
>
> The support people could be utilized for any other
> similar projects in
> the future.
>
> If a small advt is given, definitely a lot hardware
> people will come
> forward.
>
> Definitely many members of LUG bangalore may come
> forward to train the
> hardware people,as pointed out by Mr.Jayasimha
> makineni.
>
>
> cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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If the schools have Higher education, like 9th/10th std students, 10+2 etc, some smart people from there could be trained as well, Till the teachers catch on. If the teachers are understanding enough, it wont cause ego problems.. What say??? 



On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 linux_schools wrote :
>--- In linux_schools@..., <coverify@y...> wrote:
>> After a lengthy discussion the problem boiled down to
>> support. I could not find any local company/person in
>> Blore which can support it. I found a sw vendor from
>> Kannur that had done this.
>> (
>http://s2s2net.netfirms.com/index.html)
>> But every one was unsure how out of station support
>> would work.
>>
>> Does anyone know of any person that can provide
>> support for LTSP on a need basis. I could then propose
>> that we buy the hw from reputed vendor with warranty
>> and be left only with support for LTSP from private
>> individual on a per need basis. Can this be done
>> remotely ?
>> Does the plan sound feasible ?
>>
>> -sanjeev
>>
>Hello
>I feel its a  great opportunity to train some hardware support people
>on LINUX and LTSP  near the school.
>The support people could be utilized for any other similar projects in
>the future.
>If a small advt is given, definitely a lot hardware people will come
>forward.
>Definitely many members of LUG bangalore may come forward to train the
>hardware people,as pointed out by Mr.Jayasimha makineni.
>cheers
>Herald.
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--- In linux_schools@..., <coverify@y...> wrote:

> After a lengthy discussion the problem boiled down to
> support. I could not find any local company/person in
> Blore which can support it. I found a sw vendor from
> Kannur that had done this.
> (http://s2s2net.netfirms.com/index.html)
> But every one was unsure how out of station support
> would work.
>
> Does anyone know of any person that can provide
> support for LTSP on a need basis. I could then propose
> that we buy the hw from reputed vendor with warranty
> and be left only with support for LTSP from private
> individual on a per need basis. Can this be done
> remotely ?
> Does the plan sound feasible ?
>
> -sanjeev
>


Hello

I feel its a  great opportunity to train some hardware support people
on LINUX and LTSP  near the school.

The support people could be utilized for any other similar projects in
the future.

If a small advt is given, definitely a lot hardware people will come
forward.

Definitely many members of LUG bangalore may come forward to train the
hardware people,as pointed out by Mr.Jayasimha makineni.


cheers
Herald.

Hi Sanjeev !

I have installed LTSP, Lessdisks and Skolelinux at my work place - Ma Foi
Academy, Chennai.
I am from Hyderabad but I will be very glad to help you in the weekend and
holidays.
I do not mind traveling to Bangalore.
I may not be able to train people for 15 continuous days but can help you select
a local vendor in Bangalore if required.

I am also sure that I can pull in many linux user group members of Hyderabad and
Bangalore to help you achieve your goal.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

cheers,
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--- In linux_schools@..., <coverify@y...> wrote:
HEllo

I downlaoded the file in the message and uploaded in the Files Section.

atms_lab.pdf 9 pages.

Cheers
Herrald.

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the linux_schools
group.

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linux_schools <linux_schools@...>

Hi,
I am working for a non profit organization in US.
Recently we received a grant of $10K to open a
computer lab in a school in Blore. I presented the
attached proposal. Please send comments regarding it
and I will correct it.

After a lengthy discussion the problem boiled down to
support. I could not find any local company/person in
Blore which can support it. I found a sw vendor from
Kannur that had done this.
(http://s2s2net.netfirms.com/index.html)
But every one was unsure how out of station support
would work.

Does anyone know of any person that can provide
support for LTSP on a need basis. I could then propose
that we buy the hw from reputed vendor with warranty
and be left only with support for LTSP from private
individual on a per need basis. Can this be done
remotely ?
Does the plan sound feasible ?

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--- In linux_schools@..., "linux_schools"
<linux_schools@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello friends
>
> How about a virtual meet of linux_schools group ?
>
> I suggest a time in the evening like after 6.00 pm.
>
> It will be pretty soon.
>
> cheers
> Herald.


Hi Herald,
Just Post the date.
Aditya Pratap V.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39175484,00.htm

November 30, 2004, 11:50 GMT

The car hire firm says its has cut hardware and maintenance costs
dramatically by migrating 1,500 rental stations to thin clients
running Linux

Car hire firm Europcar International has migrated thousands of PCs
across Europe from Windows fat clients to Linux thin clients, lowering
both its hardware and maintenance costs.

The car hire firm has saved on hardware and maintenance costs by
migrating its 1,500 stations to thin clients running Linux, but Stefan
Ostrowski, the CIO of Europcar, said that while migrating to Linux
thin clients has saved them money, but it would not have been as cost
effective for them to migrate fat clients to Linux.

....

No, 'advocacy' is entirely diffrent from selling.

And this selling is selling the idea and the value, not necessarily for money.

Regards,
  Atul Asthana

On Monday 29 November 2004 17:46, Rakesh 'arky' Ambati wrote:
> Dear Arujun,
>
>   That's nice little story,I really enjoyed that.But
> would suggest using the word 'advocate' instead of
> 'sell'.
>
> Cheers
>
> --arky
>

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Dear Arujun,

   That's nice little story,I really enjoyed that.But
would suggest using the word 'advocate' instead of
'sell'.

Cheers

--arky

--- Arjun Asthana <arjunasthana@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'll tell you a story. This, you should be able to
> find in the cronicles of
> some tech history books/sites.
>
> There was a company called Zilog. Constituted by a
> break away group of Intel
> engineers, who had designed 8080, an 8 bit
> processor. Zilog designed Z80, a
> hugely successful 8 bit processor, on which later,
> CP/M (a very basic OS) was
> standardised.
>
> Zilog also produced Z8000, a 16 bit processor, which
> was technologically far
> superior to 8086. BTW I've used both, along with
> 68000 (Motorola) and some
> wonderful 8 bit ones 1602, 6800, 6502, Z80, 8080/5
> etc for designing various
> control/processing systems.
>
> However, IBM was impressed with Intel's marketing
> and went on to design the
> IBM PC using 8086/88. Rest is history. Not to
> mention that the Mars buggy was
> run by Z80, where technology was of paramount
> importance.
>
> The moral of the story is: marketing sells not the
> technology. Thats the
> reason M$ sells and not Linux. The sooner it is
> understood, better it is.
>
> Lets sell Linux and not wait for the events to lead
> the way. That way may
> never come.
>
> Regards
> Atul Asthana
>
> On Saturday 27 November 2004 22:24, linux_schools
> wrote:
> > --- In linux_schools@..., Arjun
> Asthana
> >
> > <arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
> > > The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use
> Windows and other
> >
> > prop
> >
> > > software.
> > >
> > > Can any one break that?
> >
> > Hello Arjun
> >
> > It will be broken naturally when the time of Linux
> comes.
> >
> > There is Engineering education where they dont
> force to use Windows
> > for  C/C++ programming, Java etc.
> >
> > But nobody uses Linux to do these things in
> Engineering colleges
> > (There may be only few colleges who are doing so).
> >
> > There is also syllabus in Engineering where Word ,
> Excel , powerpoint
> > is part of the introductory computer syllabus in
> First year.
> >
> > Engineering colleges and professional institutes
> shamelessly use
> > pirated software (It may be true for CBSE and
> other schools also).
> >
> >
> > If the Universities and Government enforce the
> rule of legal software
> > usage, these institutes will have no other option
> but to use Linux.
> >
> > When Microsoft comes in search of their baby, we
> have no other option
> > but to give up the baby and also pay fines (We may
> have to learn how
> > many zeros are there in a million) . The fines
> will be so huge   all
> > the institutes would go bankrupt paying the fine
> and close shutters.
> >
> > Everybody is saying, no such thing will happen
> soon. Yes it will not
> > happen soon because the number computers in India
> are only around 1
> > Crore. Let it multiply to 5 to 10 crores, which
> may happen quickly if
> > the prices of computers comes to around Rs.10
> thousand. (Who would
> > have imagined mobile phones will reach more than
> 4.5 crores in such a
> > small time span exceeding the land line phones ?).
> >
> > We may have to wait a little more longer may be 2
> to 4 years when
> > dozens of countries, 100s of big companies rush to
> use Linux in a
> > large scale . Then there will be a great
> conversion boom similar to
> > Y2K projects.  It may be called W2k+8 bug or the
> big MSW bug. The bug
> > is not easy to remove. More than 90 percent of the
> computers would
> > have to be completely cleaned of this bug.
> >
> > People who have very few computers like India (<
> 1%) better not
> > install the bug on new computers. Otherwise India
> may have to spend
> > Billions of Dollars as the USA did for becoming
> stingy for 2 digits of
> > a year as in Y2K bug.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Herald.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >



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I'll tell you a story. This, you should be able to find in the cronicles of
some tech history books/sites.

There was a company called Zilog. Constituted by a break away group of Intel
engineers, who had designed 8080, an 8 bit processor. Zilog designed Z80, a
hugely successful 8 bit processor, on which later, CP/M (a very basic OS) was
standardised.

Zilog also produced Z8000, a 16 bit processor, which was technologically far
superior to 8086. BTW I've used both, along with 68000 (Motorola) and some
wonderful 8 bit ones 1602, 6800, 6502, Z80, 8080/5 etc for designing various
control/processing systems.

However, IBM was impressed with Intel's marketing and went on to design the
IBM PC using 8086/88. Rest is history. Not to mention that the Mars buggy was
run by Z80, where technology was of paramount importance.

The moral of the story is: marketing sells not the technology. Thats the
reason M$ sells and not Linux. The sooner it is understood, better it is.

Lets sell Linux and not wait for the events to lead the way. That way may
never come.

Regards
Atul Asthana

On Saturday 27 November 2004 22:24, linux_schools wrote:
> --- In linux_schools@..., Arjun Asthana
>
> <arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
> > The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use Windows and other
>
> prop
>
> > software.
> >
> > Can any one break that?
>
> Hello Arjun
>
> It will be broken naturally when the time of Linux comes.
>
> There is Engineering education where they dont force to use Windows
> for  C/C++ programming, Java etc.
>
> But nobody uses Linux to do these things in Engineering colleges
> (There may be only few colleges who are doing so).
>
> There is also syllabus in Engineering where Word , Excel , powerpoint
> is part of the introductory computer syllabus in First year.
>
> Engineering colleges and professional institutes shamelessly use
> pirated software (It may be true for CBSE and other schools also).
>
>
> If the Universities and Government enforce the rule of legal software
> usage, these institutes will have no other option but to use Linux.
>
> When Microsoft comes in search of their baby, we have no other option
> but to give up the baby and also pay fines (We may have to learn how
> many zeros are there in a million) . The fines will be so huge   all
> the institutes would go bankrupt paying the fine and close shutters.
>
> Everybody is saying, no such thing will happen soon. Yes it will not
> happen soon because the number computers in India are only around 1
> Crore. Let it multiply to 5 to 10 crores, which may happen quickly if
> the prices of computers comes to around Rs.10 thousand. (Who would
> have imagined mobile phones will reach more than 4.5 crores in such a
> small time span exceeding the land line phones ?).
>
> We may have to wait a little more longer may be 2 to 4 years when
> dozens of countries, 100s of big companies rush to use Linux in a
> large scale . Then there will be a great conversion boom similar to
> Y2K projects.  It may be called W2k+8 bug or the big MSW bug. The bug
> is not easy to remove. More than 90 percent of the computers would
> have to be completely cleaned of this bug.
>
> People who have very few computers like India (< 1%) better not
> install the bug on new computers. Otherwise India may have to spend
> Billions of Dollars as the USA did for becoming stingy for 2 digits of
> a year as in Y2K bug.
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Regards,
  Arjun Asthana

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--- In linux_schools@..., Arjun Asthana
<arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
>
> How about creating a sales kit (sans cost of sales) for promoting
Linux in
> Schools? Of course, this has to be an end to end solution
promotion. ie
> should also include attaching a hardware and Li support
organisation.


Hello

I have been planning that kind of a thing for a long time and have
been telling one of the hardware guys I know in Hyderabad to go for
it. But It is a slow process. There is a
big Computer sales and training business opportunity using Linux and
thin client solutions to schools and colleges (It would also be a
social service kind of thing because the software is free,hardware
cost least,administrator cost could be zero,downtime minimum,virus
threats nil etc,etc.).

And once the Linux lab is setup, it doesnt want much supervision. The
  support organization should standardise on the hardware front like
using  same components in all the clients, and also all the servers
should have same components so that school and himself will have less
work on the support front.


Kerala is ahead in all these things like they have setup 100 Linux
support centers across the state. Hope other states wakeup.


Cheers
Herald.

--- In linux_schools@..., Arjun Asthana
<arjunasthana@g...> wrote:
>
> The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use Windows and other
prop
> software.
>
> Can any one break that?
>



Hello Arjun

It will be broken naturally when the time of Linux comes.

There is Engineering education where they dont force to use Windows
for  C/C++ programming, Java etc.

But nobody uses Linux to do these things in Engineering colleges
(There may be only few colleges who are doing so).

There is also syllabus in Engineering where Word , Excel , powerpoint
is part of the introductory computer syllabus in First year.

Engineering colleges and professional institutes shamelessly use
pirated software (It may be true for CBSE and other schools also).


If the Universities and Government enforce the rule of legal software
usage, these institutes will have no other option but to use Linux.

When Microsoft comes in search of their baby, we have no other option
but to give up the baby and also pay fines (We may have to learn how
many zeros are there in a million) . The fines will be so huge   all
the institutes would go bankrupt paying the fine and close shutters.

Everybody is saying, no such thing will happen soon. Yes it will not
happen soon because the number computers in India are only around 1
Crore. Let it multiply to 5 to 10 crores, which may happen quickly if
the prices of computers comes to around Rs.10 thousand. (Who would
have imagined mobile phones will reach more than 4.5 crores in such a
small time span exceeding the land line phones ?).

We may have to wait a little more longer may be 2 to 4 years when
dozens of countries, 100s of big companies rush to use Linux in a
large scale . Then there will be a great conversion boom similar to
Y2K projects.  It may be called W2k+8 bug or the big MSW bug. The bug
is not easy to remove. More than 90 percent of the computers would
have to be completely cleaned of this bug.

People who have very few computers like India (< 1%) better not
install the bug on new computers. Otherwise India may have to spend
Billions of Dollars as the USA did for becoming stingy for 2 digits of
a year as in Y2K bug.

Cheers
Herald.

How about creating a sales kit (sans cost of sales) for promoting Linux in
Schools? Of course, this has to be an end to end solution promotion. ie
should also include attaching a hardware and Li support organisation.



On Saturday 27 November 2004 16:44, linux_schools wrote:
>  <lxn_mon@y...> wrote:
> > Dear Herald
> > Any change is difficult. We should be feel good that
> > at least 3 schools are using Linux. At IIM, Ahmedabad
> > we also have been trying to promote FOSS in many
> > schools. Would you believe that more than 150
> > principals of top schools of the country have been
> > given presentations and CDs, but not much
> > breakthroughs. I believe we should keep trying and at
> > one point it is going to take off. Then nothing can
> > stop it. We also must understand why schools are not
> > going for FOSS inspite of so much advantages and try
> > to work upon them.
> >
> > All the best. Laxman
>
> Hello Laxman
>
> I agree with you totally.
>
> We have to keep trying. Otherwise I would have stopped maintaining
> this group
> long back.
>
> Schools are the right place to promote Linux. Engineering Colleges are
> too difficult for promoting Linux. It is because they are already
> habituated to Windows.
>
> Thats why I started this group to baptize the school children with
> Linux rather than trying to convert them to Linux when they are in
> College. Conversion to Linux is a very controvertial topic and is very
> difficult to do, just like religious conversions.
>
> I am really happy that at least 3 schools are using Linux in Hyderabad
> (But was hoping for at least 10 in 1 year) . Also happy that I was able to
> compile a Free Software CD full of Educational softwares and the like
> for schools and colleges, which was a requirement & result of Vande
> Mataram high school implementation.
>
> Its called Linvertor.
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Regards,
  Arjun Asthana

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--#&---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /   / /_/\ \ \
-#&@!8/_/_//_/\___/ /_/\_\  /______\ \ \
  May the Source be with you \_________\/

The problem is that CBSE forces schools to use Windows and other prop
software.

Can any one break that?



On Saturday 27 November 2004 15:40, linux_schools wrote:
> Hello friends
>
> By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools creation.
>
> We have turned exactly 1 year today.
>
> In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1 school.
>
> 2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of Vikram.
>
> So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.
>
> Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom time, 40% of H1B
> holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage there hardly any
> awareness.
>
>
>
> If the members put some efforts definitely within the next year, shall
> we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???
>
> When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June last year, many
> people came forward to do something to spread Linux in schools . But
> nothing happened in 1 years time.
>
> There are thousands of private schools out there .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Regards,
  Arjun Asthana

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---#&---(_)__  __ ____  __    / / /\ \
--#&---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /   / /_/\ \ \
-#&@!8/_/_//_/\___/ /_/\_\  /______\ \ \
  May the Source be with you \_________\/

<lxn_mon@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Herald
> Any change is difficult. We should be feel good that
> at least 3 schools are using Linux. At IIM, Ahmedabad
> we also have been trying to promote FOSS in many
> schools. Would you believe that more than 150
> principals of top schools of the country have been
> given presentations and CDs, but not much
> breakthroughs. I believe we should keep trying and at
> one point it is going to take off. Then nothing can
> stop it. We also must understand why schools are not
> going for FOSS inspite of so much advantages and try
> to work upon them.
>
> All the best. Laxman



Hello Laxman

I agree with you totally.

We have to keep trying. Otherwise I would have stopped maintaining
this group
long back.

Schools are the right place to promote Linux. Engineering Colleges are
too difficult for promoting Linux. It is because they are already
habituated to Windows.

Thats why I started this group to baptize the school children with
Linux rather than trying to convert them to Linux when they are in
College. Conversion to Linux is a very controvertial topic and is very
difficult to do, just like religious conversions.

I am really happy that at least 3 schools are using Linux in Hyderabad
(But was hoping for at least 10 in 1 year) . Also happy that I was able to
compile a Free Software CD full of Educational softwares and the like
for schools and colleges, which was a requirement & result of Vande
Mataram high school implementation.

Its called Linvertor.

Cheers
Herald.

Dear Herald
Any change is difficult. We should be feel good that
at least 3 schools are using Linux. At IIM, Ahmedabad
we also have been trying to promote FOSS in many
schools. Would you believe that more than 150
principals of top schools of the country have been
given presentations and CDs, but not much
breakthroughs. I believe we should keep trying and at
one point it is going to take off. Then nothing can
stop it. We also must understand why schools are not
going for FOSS inspite of so much advantages and try
to work upon them.

All the best. Laxman

--- linux_schools <linux_schools@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello friends
>
> By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools
> creation.
>
> We have turned exactly 1 year today.
>
> In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1
> school.
>
> 2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of
> Vikram.
>
> So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.
>
> Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom
> time, 40% of H1B
> holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage
> there hardly any
> awareness.
>
>
>
> If the members put some efforts definitely within
> the next year, shall
> we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???
>
> When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June
> last year, many
> people came forward to do something to spread Linux
> in schools . But
> nothing happened in 1 years time.
>
> There are thousands of private schools out there .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Congrats!!!

That isn't a bad Stats at all.

--arky

--- linux_schools <linux_schools@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello friends
>
> By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools
> creation.
>
> We have turned exactly 1 year today.
>
> In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1
> school.
>
> 2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of
> Vikram.
>
> So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.
>
> Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom
> time, 40% of H1B
> holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage
> there hardly any
> awareness.
>
>
>
> If the members put some efforts definitely within
> the next year, shall
> we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???
>
> When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June
> last year, many
> people came forward to do something to spread Linux
> in schools . But
> nothing happened in 1 years time.
>
> There are thousands of private schools out there .
>
>
> Cheers
> Herald.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     linux_schools-unsubscribe@...
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>
>
>
>


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Hello friends

By chance i just saw the Date of linux_schools creation.

We have turned exactly 1 year today.

In one year I could implement k12ltsp in only 1 school.

2 more schools are using K12LTSP with the help of Vikram.

So in total 3 schools using GNU/Linux in Hyderabad.

Its a very pathetic statistics. During the boom time, 40% of H1B
holders from India were from AP. But in Linux usage there hardly any
awareness.



If the members put some efforts definitely within the next year, shall
we expect at least 25 schools using GNU/LINUX ???

When I gave a k12ltsp demo at ilughyd around June last year, many
people came forward to do something to spread Linux in schools . But
nothing happened in 1 years time.

There are thousands of private schools out there .


Cheers
Herald.

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