From: Kutch ScienceSent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 5:53 PM

Subject: www.rediff.com/Rediff On The NeT Bombay geologists unearth
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And New pictures from Dholavira ARCHAELOGY AND FOSSILs GEOLOGY OF
DHOLAIRA.
Bombay geologists unearth dinosaur fossil in Kutch
A four-member team of Bombay-based geologists have unearthed remains
of a Jurassic Age dinosaur's fossil at Kaur Bet in Kutch, which is
said to be one of the oldest prehistoric remains found in India and
in this part of the globe.
''This proves that these mighty reptiles roamed the country millions
of year ago,'' said Dr K K Das, superintendent geologist with Oil and
Natural Gas Corporation Ltd, who is a member of the team. The other
members are Dr K Satyanarayana, deputy general manager (geology dept)
of the ONGC and two other senior geologists of the company, Dr D K
Dasgupta and Dr Alok Dave.
The discovery was made by the ONGC's regional geology laboratory team
recently when they were on a geological mission at Kaur Bet in the
Kutch region of Gujarat, across the western sector. ''The fossil
treasure that the ONGC team has unearthed will help researchers,
geologists and archaeologists a lot'', Dr Das said in Bombay. ''This
is the oldest known remains of a dinosaur in India, and is expected
to belong to the middle Jurassic period, ie, around 178 million years
old," he said.
Talking about what the team has unearthed, Dr Das said, ''We have
unearthed fossil bones of probable spinal column and legs.'' Huge,
petrified tree remains were also found. Currently the fossils have
been kept under the control of the Indian Army and the Border
Security Force, he added.
It was found on the surface along with associated limestone
rocks. ''It belongs to the middle Jurassic age from Kaladongar
formation, geologically dated on the basis of micro-organisms
present,'' he said. It is expected to be around 178 million years
old.
Earlier reported findings were from the Inter-Trappean beds of Anjar
hills, some 80 km from Kaur Bet, which were said to be around 65
million years old. The findings of the team of scientists have been
published in the latest edition of Current Science, a leading science
journal published from Bangalore. He said more research can be
carried out in this area in association with other agencies. On being
asked about the feelings after the team discovered the fossil, Dr Das
said, ''We were really happy.''

From: KutchScience Cc:; news@rediff ; kutchmitra ;
ceo@... ; Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:31 PM
Dear Science friends, Before I write again after a long break to
visit Indian ancient civilisation in Kutch -DHOLAVIRA and Geological
sites of Kutch, I would like to tell that NOW it has become more
difficult to differentiate the Science of Astronomy, Geology and
archaeology in relation to KUTCH.
Archaeological History in thousands of years e.g. Indus civilisation
5000 to 10,000 of years. Geological History of Millions of Years e.
g. Fossilised history of Dinosaurs 65 Mn years to 220+ Mn years and
Astronomical history of the billions of Years e. g. life span of our
SUN 8.64 Bn of years.
When I visited to Dholavira - KOTADA, first I visited the founder of
that ancient civilisation, Shri Sambhudan Gadhavi. I recorded his
visit and I would like to put some of the conclusion of the visit
with him in DHOLAVIRA.
Mr. Sambhudan Gadhavi was interested in our ancient civilisation, but
he was not the archaeologist. THERE WAS LOK VAYAKA - "peoples'
belief" that there was an OLD GADH - Old Castle and people were dead
there many years ago and every one in village Dholavira was aware of
these and That was not the new for local people.
Mr Sambhu Gadhavi was interested in that as those stones of
foundation and castle was evidently visible to every one. He started
to collect the pottery parts and one day he found one with a picture
of the Indus civilisation symbol. "As he was collecting those pottery
parts - THIKARIEs, He was locally also known as DHIKARIO". according
to him he found the pottery part that resembles the picture of the
HARAPPAN which he studied and seen in the history book of year 5-6 of
that time. So he decided to take it to the museum curator of Kutch
Museum at BHUJ. and said to Him " I have found the pottery part that
resembles the picture of the HARAPPAN which I studied and seen in the
history book of year 5-6 ".
And the research started and we found the NEW - Most ANCIENT Indian-
Indus civilisation of the world. which is destroyed before about 5000
years? so that civilisation must have developed before another 5000
years means that civilisation must be 10,000 years old. which I wrote
in 2000 that that time scale relates to Mahabharata and the
YADAVASTHALi time.
Surprisingly same LOK VAYAKA is there "peoples' believe that there is
NAND KUVA - well and many NAND related Things were found including
NAND KUVA - a well" and that confirms that at that time scale that
Nand Vansh is YADU VANSH and so that is part of The YadavaSthali.
Human Bones found at those places requires to be examined for the
injury by sharp weapons. one skull was found with the injury of spear.
Not only that archaeologists at Dholavira found some fossilised
stones of the WOOD FOSSILs. - Picture "woodfossile3.jpg" is attached -
holding in my hand. Not only that some of the stone used in the
construction of Old DHOLAVIRA are those fossils stones. and that
needs attention of the Geologists along with the Archaeologists
working in Dholavira.
Khadir - where Dholavira is established is it self a land of fossils.
Land is in the RANN of the KUTCH and also border area. so prohibited
for exploration. So we contacted the Military authority to assist us.
They promised us to take us to escort to those places of KHADIR and
BHANJADO Mountain and KAUR BAT for Dinosaurs fossils land of 180 Mn
years old and also collaborate with us for scientific research. That
will explore not only the Archaeology but also those Geological areas
of the fossils land.
LOK VAYAKA "Peoples belief" says there are more Castles in the middle
of the desert and on the Mountain of BHANJADO. and that co relate
with the MAHABHARAT. so more ancient civilisation -even more ANCIENT
than the Dholavira are to be found in those area - north of the
Dholavira.
*** A NEW INDUS CIVILISATION JUST FOUND. recorded and documented on
13/September 2002.
New sites of Indus have been found in Kutch Near KERA. five
kilometres away from the LAKHO FULANI's Kera Castle. That is a place
of Rivers and Water reservoir. LOK VAYAKA - people's belief is that
there was a GADH - Castle and KHANDERS- old house foundations. also
Water reservoir which dried after the LIGHT stroked from the sky
without THUNDER - or Noise!! - MAY IT BE AN ASTEROID IMPACT? let us
see.
We were waiting to visit this place since many years and we got the
right person, timing and situation, We found our Historian BHARATBA.
M. Jadeja. We visited a farming land. we found the part of the GADH -
castle and the land covered in the trees. most of that was destroyed
for farming and the castle stones were used to make boundaries of
that farming land. the farmers also found the foundation stones of
the houses and the castle. human bones. and Indus civilisation THINGS
like KHADALIO and JUGS and potteries. Some of those are attached with
this mail. e.g. Khandali.jpg, Shankh.jpg, Indus.jpg, etc.
KERA castle history is within 1000 years and if the any of the Castle
was built after that that would have been recorded in the history.
But that is not the case as our historian says. so that must be our
NEW ancient Indus civilisation in the Kutch. We took all the
foundlings to our best friend & ex-curator of Kutch Museum who also
guided Mr. Shambhudan Gadhavi for exploration of Dholavira. He
suggested that those looks dating back to Indus civilisation and
older than 3500 to 4000 years old and needs more accurate dating.
But surprisingly we recovered a porous fragile Stone - and still
Heavier than stone, Metallic, burnt and shining, at the look I
recognised as perfect Asteroid. That was part of Asteroid. might have
broken when ploughing the farming land. but I found small part of it
6"*4". that refers to the LOK VAYAKA - people's belief is that there
was a GADH - Castle and KHANDERS- old house foundations. also Water
reservoir which dried after the LIGHT stroked from the sky without
THUNDER - or Noise!! - MAY IT BE AN ASTEROID IMPACT that destroyed
that civilisation? Now question arises that how that civilisation
destroyed? more evidently with asteroid or some thing else. and if
that was the reason than whether all such civilisation has similar
impacts in the Kutch or some thing else. as most of the reasons for
the destruction of civilisation are not found yet and things needed
to explore the Astronomical aspects of the Ancient Civilisation.
Asteroid is attached with this mail as asteroid2.jpg.
Looking for further investigation and exploration of the areas of
Kutch and Ancient civilisation of the KUTCH. and we will send samples
to the archaeology department of Gujarat state and Archaeology
department of India. Asteroid sample will be sent to Natural History
and science Museum of London to compare with the other samples of the
Asteroids in the museum.
National Geographic Vol 197 No. 6 - JUNE 2000 - subject Indus
Civilisation.
I was just collecting the information in Indus and was studying the
role of the local languages to understand the interpretation of the
archaeological findings and How the Archaeologists ignore local
beliefs which comes in the generations of the local people or due to
that, may misinterpret the finding. as I just found one more of the
Indus civilisation in the kutch on the River bank. which is not
explored yet as is being used in the Farm land!!! Not only that
farmer has used the stones of that GADH of the ANCIENT INDUS
civilisation for making the boundary of his farm land and some of
that GADH is still left. We also discovered SEA SHELLs
called "SHANKHs" and a part of asteroid which might be a small part
of the big asteroid which might be broken by farming that land.
Some times mind of the archaeologist see only which is their mind and
can not see the historical time scale with those belief which comes
from the generations of the people.

Archaeologists missed the belief of the people - NAND KUVA-well and
many NAND related findings according to the beliefs of the local
people, which was found in the Dholavira by the archaeological
findings by Mr. Bisht. That time scale of 5000 years back - Who was
NAND -(YADU VANSH) and war of there after - called YADAVA STHALI -
during that time about 560 million people died in that region in war
amongst themselves not the rituals as our mind see it because we see
only which we know about it. so we need to know more, study the local
people and believes and culture and many more aspects rather than
just guessing game.
SIMILARLY now a days archaeologist just think what they know about.
Many Civilisation had relation with SEA SHELLs, and they think that,
those sells were used for preparing the ORNAMENTS!!! all Depends
where the shells were found. If we find any sliced shells than that
may be so but That is not the case for INDUS civilisation. Elephant
tusk Ivory was available at that time scale, and sliced sea shells
were not found as we think of it. Actually that time scale and Place
of Indus civilisation suggest that Those particular type & particular
sized shells were used to produce a NAAD - Shell sounds. That is
called "SHANKH NAADs" - Shell sounds used for alerting for fights.
eg. "SHANKH NAADs" for WAR time during MAHABHARAT before 5103 years.
Accidentally I just got the National geographic magazine on my hand
and I read some thin and LAUGHED at the following words and the
interpretation. to understand the fact and the findings we need to
understand all about the local people and believes and culture and
many more aspects. in other word we need to be a part of those
culture amongst them and then interpret those.
Refer article : National Geographic Vol 197 No. 6 - JUNE 2000 - Page
118 -2nd Paragraph- subject Indus Civilisation.
? hethan=hetten=Means HERE not the LEFT ?
uttan=uthe=There Not the Right –
I assume that some one used Right hand to indicate - May be, he may
be right handed? If so the Left handed might have interpreted other
way round!!!
Sorry to criticise National geographic but the fact need to be
understood and credits need to be earned.
We are very much thankful for the Local people - Farmers who escort
and guided us to the new places of the Ancient civilisations.
Military personals, our Ex-curator Shree Vaidya saheb and
Archaeologists, Geologists, and our Historian Bharatba. M. Jadeja to
support our work in a team and future co-operations.
Following reports will be ready soon and will be forwarded on mail
request only
1) An Archaeological report of Ancient Indus civilisations - and to
be Explored in the Kutch.
2) Geological survey of the KUTCH - a land of FOSSILs and dinosaurs.
3) Astronomical importance and Asteroids of the Kutch (23.5 N - an
astronomical importance.)
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