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Madhapar Online <http://www.samaj.com/> The purpose of KMK was to
provide a social grouping for all the people who had some sort of roots
connected with Madhapar Gaam in Kutch. ...
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Life Member:Kutch Itihaas Parishad From: jalpa bhuva
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To: hirjipatel@...
Subject: Madhapur Information
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Dear Sir, My name is Jalpa Halai from Nairobi-Kenya. As a madhaparian,
a group of us are doing a website on madhapur gaam. We would highly
appreciate if you could guide us through the history of Madhapur from
its origin to date. We would also welcome information on past and
current activities of Madhaparians in the village such as artifacts,
farming, embroidery and the like. If you could also mail some updated
photos of madhapur gaam such as main gate, chabutro, temples etc would
be highly appreciated. This website would be launched in Nairobi with
an international standing. Such that we shall include all madhaparians
across the world to log in to the website and not only learn about their
gaam but also participate in forums that would enable us grow and
strengthen our bonds. Please assist us with the above issue at the
earliest. Your assistance would be highly appreciated. Thank you.
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Dear friends of Science and Geo-science,
Sub:- Scientist succeeded to convince the central government and
Gujarat government to identify the reality and necessity to protect and
reserve for geological research @
http://www.kutchmitradaily.com/news.aspx
javascript:newWin('ndetail.aspx?id=7213')
At last we got success to protect the geological treasure of kutch which
we are trying to protect and reserve for research since last 7years.
though Local government and Gujarat government geology department could
not succeed to do so and local public leaders failed to identify the
reality and necessity despite the presentation and writing to them and
local news and ETV news.
Scientist succeeded to convince the central government and Gujarat
government to do so.
225 Reservation of the treasured land area of fossils of KUTCH for the
Geological research interest of the University of KUTCH.
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... from EAST - WEST (Kukma, LAHER to LANKI - BHARASAR) covering
mountain range of the area of the following - LAHER, GANGESHWAR -
Gunavari River area, Tapkeshwar and JADURA mountain area, Bharapar
sanatorium and SADATA, Bharasar and LANKI mountain area. Amongst ...
Copy of letters :
To: Department Of geology & Education
The Government of Gujarat State,
Gujarat - I N D I A
Dt. 15August 2005.
From: "Kutch Science Foundation".
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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Subject: Reservation of the treasured land area of fossils of KUTCH for
the
Geological research interest of the University of KUTCH.
Dear Sir/Madam,
Kutch is very rich area of geological science, not only for the minerals
of the
land but also the fossil rich area of KUTCH gives name as "GOLD MINE OF
GEOLOGY". 80% of the types of known fossil types of the world are
available only
in KUTCH and also very rare type of soft body fossils are also available
in some
of the following fossil rich area.
Our observations suggested that if such areas are not protected than
some trader
mentality people will steel those and vandals will destroy such treasure
which
are useful for the research work of the geology and kutch University
will loose
such a treasure of the educational interest.
So we request the government and the concerned geological departments to
take an
appropriate earliest action to reserve such an area mentioned below for
the
purpose of the Kutch university geological research purpose.
As Balasinor is decided as a fossil reserved area for the dinosaurs'
fossil
land, Kutch has multiple varieties of fossils along with rare type of
fossils
and those needs protection from steeling mentality traders and vandals.
Area of the RANN of the Kutch (also area near ANJAR - Kutch) known for
dinosaurs' fossil is under the Military and BSF protection from such
traders and
vandals but following area needs the further protection as reserved
fossil land.
Areas covered for the reservations:
Area of the KHATROL range of the mountain 5 Km south of BHUJ extending
from EAST
- WEST (Kukma, LAHER to LANKI - BHARASAR) covering mountain range of the
area of
the following - LAHER, GANGESHWAR - Gunavari River area, Tapkeshwar and
JADURA
mountain area, Bharapar sanatorium and SADATA, Bharasar and LANKI
mountain area.
Amongst those the Gangeshwar mountain area and Gunavari River area is
very rich
with millions of fossils of variety of types of fossils including the
rare
variety of the soft body marine fossils. So it needs particularly an
attention
to protect it with an earliest action by the Government of the GUJARAT
state.
Types of the fossils available in the area:
Marine fossils : multiple varieties of ammonites and other cephalopods
soft body
fossils. Eg. Octopus soft body fossils.
Belemnites,
Fish and jelly fish fossils,
Turtles and Turtle egg Fossils,
Crocodilians,
Sea shells - Shankhs and chips,
Coral and coral rift fossils,
+ wood fossils and Grass and vegetation fossils,
Pre Jurassic Egg hatcheries.
353 Proposed Research project for a 15 km long Volcanic dykes of
gangeshwar dome area in the KHATROL range hills of KUTCH.
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... 15 KM long volcanic dyke is visible naked and on satellite view,
extending from the Tapkeshwari hill across the Gangeshwar and Gunawari
river region to Reha Chakar area. We can visualise 3-4 major
displacement along the Volcanic dyke area as a sign of major tectonic
...
Dear friends of Kutch, Geology, Science and History,
Proposed Research project for a 15 km long Volcanic dykes of gangeshwar
dome
area in the KHATROL range hills of KUTCH.
Looking back to the geological history of the KUTCH after the uplift of
the land
of the Khatrol hills from the sea bed (fossils of Ammonites and
belemnites) the
khatrol range around the Gangeshwar dome is further lifted by the
volcanic
uplift to form the Gangeshwar dome area. present time a 15 KM long
volcanic dyke
is visible naked and on satellite view, extending from the Tapkeshwari
hill
across the Gangeshwar and Gunawari river region to Reha Chakar area. We
can
visualise 3-4 major displacement along the Volcanic dyke area as a sign
of major
tectonic activity later on not only that but a collapse of mountain hill
area on
the NE side of the dyke as seen in photographs. Recently Gujarat
university is
ready to accept a PHD report on the subject of Ground research of the
Dyke area
of Gangeshwar - Gunawari region of the Khatrol range hills of KUTCH.
15 km long Volcanic dykes of gangeshwar dome area in the KHATROL range
hills of
KUTCH & a collapse of mountain hill area on the NE side of the dyke
Collapse of mountain hill side on the NE side of the dyke as seen in
photographs. Volcanic dykes of gangeshwar dome area in the KHATROL range
hills
of KUTCH
Collapse of mountain hill side on the NE side of the dyke as seen in
satellite
view. Volcanic dykes of gangeshwar dome area in the KHATROL range hills
of KUTCH
Below 15 km long Volcanic dykes of gangeshwar dome area in the KHATROL
range
hills of KUTCH as seen in satellite view
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Dear friends of Science
We feel pleasure to invite you to witness the
occasion of the inauguration of Kutch's
FIRST REGIONAL COMMUNITY SCIENCE CENTRE
at the hands of
ACHARYA CHANDANAJI OF VEERAYATAN
Venue:
101,Indraprastha, Sanskarnagar, Bhuj-370 001
Time: 05:00p.m
At this time, you will also be able to witness the glorious moments
when The Kutch's First Mini Planetarium begins to show the stars
inside a small dome of Mini Planetarium
during the Sky Theater Programme entitled
"Our Place In The Universe"
Acharya Chandanaji will also perform the Bhoomipoojan of the Project
of Science Centre at Kutchmitra Park
at 06.30 p.m
Respected Shri Kunwarjibhai Nanjibhai Kenia
will preside over both the functions for the occasions
in the presence of eminent citizens of Bhuj(Kutch)
and
Shri Damjibhai Laljibhai Shah (Anchorwala)
(Eminent Industrialist and Philanthropist)
will be the Chief Guest
Date: Saturday, May6th, 2006 Time : 06:30 p.m
Venue:
Kutchmitra park, Bhuj-Mandvi Road Bhuj-370 001.
FOR
AKSHAY MALHOTRA
INDIAN PLANETARY SOCIETY
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:03 PM
Dear Docs, friends of Science and Medicine,
"Scientists adarakh Khake piche pade" LET US enjoy our ADARAKH TEA -
Ginger may fight ovarian cancer US scientists believe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4876056.stm (More going to back to
traditions and naturopathy and ayurveda)
University of Michigan researchers announced at the American
Association of Cancer Research that tests show ginger kills cancer
cells. The study also found that the spice had the added benefit of
stopping the cells from becoming resistant to treatment. But UK cancer
experts said that, while ginger may in the future form a basis of a
new drug, more research was needed to corroborate the findings. Ginger
is already known to ease nausea and control inflammation, but the
findings by the US team offer cancer patients new hope. Researchers
used ginger powder, similar to that sold in shops, which they
dissolved in a solution and applied to ovarian cancer cells.
They found it caused the cells to die in all the tests done. But it
was the way in which the cells died which offered even more hope. The
tests demonstrated two types of death - apoptosis, which is
essentially cell suicide, and autophagy, a kind of self-digestion.
Report author Rebecca Liu said: "Most ovarian cancer patients develop
recurrent disease that eventually becomes resistant to standard
chemotherapy, which is associated with apoptosis.
"If ginger can cause autophagic cell death in addition to apoptosis,
it may circumvent resistance to conventional chemotherapy." The
researchers warned the results were very preliminary and they plan to
test whether they can obtain similar results in animal studies.
Side-effects
But they added the appeal of ginger was that it would have virtually
no side-effects and would be easy to administer as a capsule. Henry
Scowcroft, science information officer for Cancer Research UK, said
previous research had shown that ginger extract can stop cancer cell
growing so it was possible that ginger could form the basis of a new drug.
But more work was needed before firm conclusions could be drawn, he
added. "This study doesn't mean that people should dash down to the
supermarket and stockpile ginger. "We still don't know whether ginger,
in any form, can prevent or treat cancers in animals or people."
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:09 AM
Dear friends,
At last some One realised that Moon itself could be the source of
Radiations. but it took so long to understand this simple Scientific
phenomenon.
It has been explained since long in lectures explaining how we
produce X rays. In Vacuumed tube we bombard high voltage cathode on
anode plate to create the X-rays. and resulting high temperature
cooled by an oil bath.
Similar circumstances do exist on the Moon naturally. Vacuum is there
and high photon bombarding on the moon surface mineral stones at
high temperature on shining side of the moon creates radiation like
wise. and that radiation frequencies do affect some susceptible at
different levels.
That also may be the source of the full Moon facing the earth may be
influencing some one and some phenomenon's like vegetations and life
and some animals' reproduction system too.
Only we need to understand the reality and evaluating the scientific
phenomenon by the further research. please do feedback your views too
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Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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NASA Science News for September 8, 2005
Astronauts on the Moon will be exposed to cosmic rays and solar
flares--and that's not all: the Moon itself can be a source of
radiation. NASA is sending a robotship to the Moon to measure exactly
how much radiation awaits human explorers.
FULL STORY at
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/08sep_radioactivemoon.htm?list180090
Dear Friends of Geology, History And Science,
If some one ask you What was the ORIGINAL name of the Highest Peak
of the World? every one will say Mt Everest. So how quickly the
History was changed in few years? - WHILE HINDU KUSH (in
AFGHANISTAN) remained the Original NAME. KAILASH, KANCHANJANGHA are
as such but KETU changed to K2 on difficult pronouncing mistakes.
Mt. Everest is Mt. Qomolangma
The real name of World's highest mountain is Qomolangma in Tibet,
commonly known in the west as Mt. Everest. ... Qomolangma
(pronounced Chomolangma). The mountain peak Qomolangma is in
Qomolangma Plateau ... Chinese. Mt. Zhumulangma pinyin. Mt.
Qomolangma Tibetan. Mt. Everest English ...
www.chinapage.com/mountain/qomolangma/qomolangma.html - 3k - Cached -
More pages from this site
Mt. Qomolangma
The highest mountain in the World is known as Mt. Everest in the
West. Its actual name in Tibetan is Mt. Qomolangma (pronounced
Chomolangma). The mountain peak Qomolangma is in Qomolangma Plateau
Qomolangma is a transliteration from Tibetan, meaning "goddess of
mountain." The 8,848-meter Qomolangma is the main peak of the
Himalayas. Situated on the border between China and Nepal, it is the
highest mountain in the world. This majestic peak has long attracted
mountaineers, scientists, and ordinary tourists.
Chinese
Mt. Zhumulangma pinyin
Mt. Qomolangma Tibetan
Mt. Everest English
The mountain was named Mt Everest in 1865 after Sir George Everest,
the surveyor-general of India who mapped the peak in 1852. According
to the Chinese recorded documents the mountain was mapped in 1717 by
Qing Dynasty (1644 to 1912) officials.
MOUNTAINEERING. Qomolangma (8848 M) Qomolangma (Everest), the main
peak of the Himalayas, is the highest peak in the earth. At an
altitude of 8848 meters, it is located at 86.9oE and 27.9oN. ... of
Emperor Kang Xi in Qing Dynasty, Qomolangma was called
Zhumulangma'alin (transliteration
What is sagarmatha - Everest - Information - Travel - Sagarmatha -
Everest
What is Sagarmatha - Everest,Info Sagarmatha . ... Everest. Everest
is the highest mountain ... Qomolangma ("Mother of the Universe"),
from which derives the Chinese name of(pinyin: Zhumùlangma Feng).
Although it was named Everest
What is sagarmatha - Everest
Everest is the highest mountain on Earth (as measured from sea
level). The summit ridge of the mountain marks the border between
Nepal and Tibet. In Nepali the mountain is called Sagarmatha
(Sanskrit for "Forehead of the Sky") and in Tibetan Chomolangma or
Qomolangma ("Mother of the Universe"), from which derives the
Chinese name of(pinyin: Zhumùlangma Feng). Although it was named
Everest by Sir Andrew Waugh, the British surveyor-general of India,
in honour of his predecessor Sir George Everest, the popular
pronunciation of Everest (Ev-er-est) is different from how Sir
George pronounced his own last name (Eve-rest)
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:50 PM
Dear friends of Astronomy, Science Maths and philosophy,
Many a times science has discussion of the theoretical parts of
science which is difficult to put in concrete proofs : but
Mathematics' SAC theory does have some explanations.
LET US see first a process of simple chemical process :- OXIDATION &
REDUCTION and using a SAC theory for the process.
1) in simple primary understanding OXIDATION / REDUCTION are process
of some thing combining with OXYGEN or a reverse the process. where
a chemical element O is required. Bur is that all? NO let us go step
further in atomic level exchanges.
A) as O has a -ve charge : and combines with a Positively charged
elemental ion - similar process happens every where in chemistry and
Biochemical processes. SO OXIDATION & REDUCTION can be explained as
process of the combination of +ve & -ve elementary ions, where
OXYGEN is not there!!!
B) going further in sub atomic reactions :- During all the chemical
process of above atomic level reactions there are exchange of -ve
charged sub atomic particles. -ve charged ELECTRONs so it means
OXIDATION & REDUCTION can further be explained as Exchange of the -
ve (electrons)/+ve (protons) electronic charge during the process.
C) further break down of the subatomic particles OXIDATION &
REDUCTION does not need a exchange of -ve (electrons)/+ve
(protons) - any -ve (charged sub particle)/+ve (charged sub
particle) can full fill the process at that sub atomic level.
These theories were based on the basic mathematical SAC theory
solutions of the chemical process of the chemical reactions of the
OXIDATION & REDUCTION. AS actual presence of the element is not
necessary for the reaction eg OXIDATION without Oxygen O2. and all
process of chemical reaction and biochemical Metabolism process may
fall under the sub OXIDATION & REDUCTION process.
Going BACK to the subject of Space
1) SAC - SPACE is main SAC - includes Earth SAC as a sub SAC and all
matter in the space, star, dust and all.
2) SAC Earth is SUB SAC to Space SAC - which includes the Earth
materials - ITS ENERGY, LIFE on the Earth and its ENVIRONMENT and
all we SEE/FEEL on the EARTH.
As in Chemical process of the OXIDATION & REDUCTION we seen level of
Exchanges of atomic and sub atomic exchange. here it may be a
physical exchange of the matter of any form of the Energy from the
main SAC SPACE and sub SAC EARTH or a visa versa.
Example 1) if a rocket fly from SUB SAC EARTH to the Main SAC of the
SPACE - the SAC theory says a PART of the SAC Space is occupied by
the rocket from the Sub SAC EARTH. so Earth has used a part of Main
SAC SPACE. - so Earth is utilising a space. and part of the SPACE is
dragged with the EARTH if Rocket remains in the SPACE.
Going to next step deeper the process can be similar if an
antimatter from the main SAC SPACE arrives to EARTH SAC instead of
MATTER (Rocket) going away from the Earth.
OR say any form of Energy is driven out of the SAC EARTH to main SAC
SPACE - eg Heat loss of the Earth interior to the space or sound
generated by the Earth to the space. Earth vibration - EARTH SONG!!
if the Earth vibration are created by the Earth then that part of
the Vibration energy is going to space using the space than space is
used by the Earth - so earth is taking Space with it while it travel
in the space.
Atmosphere loss in the SPACE by the Earth, or even further WE HAVE
some thing more than PANCH MAHABHOOT with us. AaTMA - LIFE part of
the EARTHen life. that is not a part of PANCH MAHABHOOT and so on
the dissolutions of PANCH MAHABHOOT, AaTMA does not stay in the
Earth. should it be in the SPACE or utilise the MAIN SAC SPACE while
going from the Earthen LIFE? Does that use SPACE and SPACE is
dragged with the EARTH with loss of AaTMA from the EARTHen LIFE?
Previous mail : -
1) As we had some discussion of vibration created in the space by
the Earth and its movements. - what type of waves might those be?
how those travel in the space? does it need a medium to travel in
the space - a theoretical medium? what tune - frequency does it
have? is it one of the tune of we know of (sa, re, ga, ma, pa, dha,
ni, sha?) or a different one? now that has become a subject of
Science philosophy.
2) Now a day science is getting a step closer to the more
complicated philosophical subject - "a space dragged by Earth while
travel through the space" !!! But how could that happen? how a space
(Vacuum) - non mass can be dragged behind the Earth. does the space
has a MASS? & Gravitation to follow the rules of Newtonian?
Veda has given some guidelines as every thing are made from only
from PANCH MAHABHOOT (five parts) even our body. It may be very
difficult to understand for who do not have basics of VEDAs but
there are other ways to give mathematical explanations for those.
A) Earth - Earthy elements - Biochemistry of the body and elements
of the Earth & naturally all body elements are from the Earth only
and non Earthy elements can not be there.
B) JAL - Water - fluid - main component of the body.
C) VAYU - GAS - all gaseous composition of the Boby generated in
body and also in Living respiration and decomposition process.
D) AGNI - FIRE - a process of Burning - respiration - digestion -
metabolism and all METABOLIC?ANABOLIC PROCESS OF THE LIFE and even
cellular death - cellular decomposition process after the clinical
death.
E - 5 ) A AVKAaSh - AaKAaSH - VACUUM - How that can happen a space
in side the body? BODY does not have a SPACE Vacuum in any of
ANATOMICAL and PHYSIOLOGICAL explanations !!
So what is the fact? Is the Medical science of ANATOMY/PHYSIOLOGY
is correct or the PHILOSOPHY of the Vedic BODY SCIENCE? and why
today's Science is after the theoretical explanations of SPACE
DRAGGED BY THE EARTH and EARTH SONG theory of vibration by the Earth
in the space?
ALL this is just difficult of as there are no scientific way to
prove those by the science. but wait for a while there is another
way for theoretical explanations by mathematical theoretical
explanation to show that that can be that. - IF so then Is the VEDIC
philosophical body science is correct? was Rajnishjee was correct
what he said 30 years ago when science was in dark?
LET US SEE in the next coming answers of the Mathematical
explanatory theoretical proof - soon after this - Just wait for this.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
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for Tuesday 07 Dec 2004 10:39
10:37 UT = 16:07 IST?
Events for Tuesday 07 Dec 2004
01:54 Moon rises
02:20 Jupiter rises
Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon
Date (UT) Separation Dist (AU) Dec El
--------- ---------- --------- ---
--
2004 Dec 07 10:39 0° 20' 37" 5.8544 -04° 30' 61.4°
13:36 Moon sets
13:37 Jupiter sets
BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon
Date (UT) Separation Dist (AU) Dec El
--------- ---------- --------- --- --
2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09 IST) 0° 20' 37" 5.8544 -04°
30' 61.4°
Events for Saturday 04 Dec 2004
03:00 Jupiter rises
05:13 Venus rises
05:19 Mars rises
06:56 Start of civil twilight
07:21 Sun rises
08:23 Mercury rises
10:36 Saturn sets
12:56 Moon sets
14:48 Jupiter sets
16:28 Mars sets
16:28 Venus sets
BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon 2004 Dec 07 (10:39
UT = 16:09 IST for 5 hours but MOON AND JUPITER will not rise
during this time. So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but
you may see planets in deam day light - or by telescope
18:09 Sun sets
18:33 End of civil twilight
18:59 Mercury sets
19:01 End of nautical twilight
19:29 End of astronomical twilight
21:15 Saturn rises
So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets
in deam day light - or by telescope
Hope u read This but those timings are for USA and by that time
INDIA WIll have a day
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/29nov_moonjupiter.htm?friend
Lunar Occultation of Jupiter: Dec. 7, 2004 for USA but those timings
are for USA and by that time INDIA WIll have a day
City Jupiter disappears Jupiter reappears Altitude of the Moon
Atlanta, GA 3:54:59 EST 4:52:39 EST 16o to 27o
Chicago, IL 2:50:00 CST 3:54:10 CST 10o to 21o
Dallas, TX 2:56:18 CST 3:37:06 CST 6o to 14o
Miami, FL 4:14:59 EST 4:45:35 EST 26o to 32o
New Orleans, LA 3:02:39 CST 3:38:04 CST 14o to 21o
New York, NY 3:56:23 EST 5:05:51 EST 21o to 32o
San Juan, PR 5:37:20 AST 6:14:33 AST 45o to 53o
St. Louis, MO 2:48:49 CST 3:50:35 CST 9o to 20o
Toronto, ON 3:53:57 EST 5:00:21 EST 16o to 26o
Washington, DC 3:54:29 EST 5:03:17 EST 19o to 31o
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Subject: A meteor strike in Valsad
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:07 AM
Yes , very good enthusiasm for the meteors in Valsad, if there are
not available
handy test for meteors at the moment, do not be dishearten, few of
the tests are
handy and easy for primarily to sort out from ordinary stones. (eg
magnetic,
Specific gravity and chemical lab analysis of elements present and
its
concentrations) if any doubt one can send small part of it to
confirm - to the
Science lab in Natural history museum and science museum. That
really nice some
of us locally are on the way to find out the more details and as
there are
conflicting reports of size and also depth of crater.
How to identify Meteors?
http://www.meteors.com/meteorite_identification_1.htm
Most meteorites tend to be VERY HEAVY for their size. This is
because they
contain iron and other metals in varying amounts. They usually have
a SMOOTH
SURFACE and are SOLID, almost never porous like lava. ????? (this
statement is
conflicting - see an authentic sites below and its samples and
details)
Many says they are never porous like lava but smooth - but not
necessary as out
GADHWARI - Bhuj sample is not smooth it falls in last category below
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?
img=76507&frm=ser&search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?
img=76508&frm=ser&search=meteorite
Wish our member go there on the site and find out some more small
parts
scattered there. They are heavy (higher specific gravity ) as those
meteor fell
from the atmosphere - high temperature burns many elements but Iron
and nickel
may remain and that may give those parts a property to stick with
magnets. This
are on hand tests to sort those from ordinary stones and later can
be analysed
for elements and further test for confirmation of meteor property.
many melted
meteor parts may arrange iron elementals in the line with magnetic
fields and
get very low magnetic signature at that time too. and may deflect a
magnetic
compass needle a bit. but that also present in LAVA surrounding
South Gujarat
mountains and Western Ghat (Sahyadri) Lava stones and
more on meteors SEE and there are conflicting info about meteor
property - many
says they are smooth - but not necessary as out GADHWARI - Bhuj
sample is not
smooth it falls in last category below
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/search.php?search=meteoritehttp://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?
img=76507&frm=ser&search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?
img=76508&frm=ser&search=meteorite
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:54 AM
Thank you for attention,
It has been interesting news since, Some times it happens and some
times scientist makes FUN and words like "closest known pass of such
a very large space rock anytime this century" makes really FUN. as
they do forget all about BECAUSE EVERY ONE was Sleeping (Caught
napping) as the approach was within a critical angle as was coming
from the direction of the sun, as that time radioastronomy fails the
tracking of NEO - asteroids because of the interference by the sun
Radiation. That's the Scientist fails to detect when Asteroid has
more chances to impact at a critical angle entry to the Earths Orbit.
Actually When NEO asteroids is in critical angle - coming from near
angle of the direction of the Sun it is more likely that it will
close pass the Earths orbit and may cross the Moon ORBIT round the
Earth.
if it passes Just out of Moon orbit - either it changes path or
strikes MOON who is our actual guard from asteroid impact. if That
miss than chances of Earth Impact are more likely. BUT ALL THAT
happens only when Asteroid travel near critical angle (near
equatorial Plane) but when it pass more wide angle - NORTH / SOUTH
scientist should just ignore them as a casual visitors.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020617/asteroid.html June 14
2001 when Asteroid 2002MN got within 75,000 miles of Earth and was
travelling at a speed of some 23,000 miles per hour, astronomers
said.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040503.html The
rumours are likely rooted in a real event, however. On Sept. 29,
2004 an asteroid the size of a small city will make the closest
known pass of such a very large space rock anytime this century
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020617/asteroid.html
June 21 — An asteroid the size of a soccer field whizzed by Earth at
a distance much nearer than the Moon, the biggest such space rock in
decades to get this close, scientists said on Thursday.
Asteroid 2002MN was not detected until Monday, three days after its
closest approach on June 14, when it got within 75,000 miles of
Earth and was travelling at a speed of some 23,000 miles per hour,
astronomers said.
It is now several million miles away, according to Brian Marsden of
the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics' Minor Planet
Center, which tracks asteroids.
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: [astronomyclubindia] City-Sized Asteroid to Pass Earth This
Fall n the Gauls will say "By Toutatis"
Toutatis will be too close to earth on 29th sept. check out these
pages for more info:
A minor rumor has hatched on the Internet that a large and deadly
asteroid will strike Earth this fall. Bulletin board discussions
cite a 63 percent chance of impact, while concerned readers have e-
mailed SPACE.com wondering if it is true.Astronomers know of no such
impending doom.The rumors are likely rooted in a real event,
however. On Sept. 29, 2004 an asteroid the size of a small city will
make the closest known pass of such a very large space rock anytime
this century.While not dangerous for now, asteroid Toutatis is
incredibly strange. And scientists are quite familiar with it,
having bounced radar off the tumbling stone on previous flybys to
generate computer renderings of its weird shape and movement.
Toutatis looks something like a dumbbell hurtling awkwardly through
space. It has a crazy rotation that makes normal days impossible.
Scientists can't explain the shape or the spin, but they're eager to
learn more in September when, during the close pass, even backyard
skywatchers will be able to spot the asteroid.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040503.htmlhttp://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/4179_Toutatis/toutatis.html
From: KutchScience Subject:
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Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:51 PM
Dear science friends of and Astronomy,
Sub: Reply - Not an expanding universe? June 2004 Letter
Thanks for information. That's right universe is not expanding and
red shift always been miss-understood. actually scientist were miss-
lead and so miss-lead all - but mathematically and VEDIC Maths proves
that Universe is not expanding - but who understands VEDIC so they
all say they only are RIGHT. I will upload diagrammatic - and
mathematical calculation and why red shift was miss- understood with
the Vedic calculations.
If an Observer "A" is at a distance of "d" from the centre and
watching an object "B" at the distance "2d" from the centre.
Gravitation at "A" at the distance "d" = "g" then Gravitation
at "B" at distance "2d" will be "1/4g" and so speed of the of "A"
will be higher than that of the "B".
So at a unit time if the Universe is expanding: "A" will be at "+A"
and "B" will be at "+B" but as B moves slowly the distance "+B"
to "+A" will reduce than that of "B" to "A". So the Object will be
looking like Object is closing up with a Blue shift. (Not the red
shift as with expanding Universe)
So at a unit time if the Universe is Collapsing: "A" will be at "-A"
and "B" will be at "-B" but as B moves slowly the distance "-B" to "-
A" will increase than that of "B" to "A". So the Object will be
looking like Object is going far up with a RED shift. (Not the red
shift as with expanding Universe but NOT expanding universe)
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Dear Science and astronomy Friends,
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/files/MeasureEarth
.doc
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Hints: as Calculation of AU with the help of Venus transit we need to
measure Earth First in reality rather than just taking it granted. As
on the summer solstice day The sun is on the 23.5 N, we need to go
there and find actual place on 23.5 on the day at local time 12:00
NOON. And that will be real practical aspect rather than just taken
granted Last discussion time.
June 2004) : Measuring the Earth:
Sub: How long will it take and how far we need to go to measure the
Earth? Similar to the experiment below, But all need to do is use
local time. When sun comes overhead (No east or No West). And select
two place A & B of Maximum possible distance apart NORTH and SOUTH
and do the measurement same time at both place as follows.
We can use one control place "S" in South or "N" in North about 50 Km
away to correct any minor errors from short distance "few KM"
experiment.
Similar Example of Latitudes longitude finding at the Local time. –
for tropical of cancer @ Local time you need to find the correct time
when sun is on the head with no shadows East or West. and need to be
there at LOCAL time of 12:00 NOON which may be 12 + MM depending on
the place where you go – Longitudes.
Experiments done at the Place A & B (NEAR 23.5 N) on 12 Noon IST will
have shadow towards East/West. Depending your positions in India
(West/ East of 82.5 E Longitude). And so accordingly you will get
shadow East/West. Measure the length of that of shadow of 3 Meter
pole OR a PLUM LINE shadow and find the Tangent = shadow/ pole - will
give u the angle. Say example : shadow = 600 mm at that time. So
600/3000= 0.2
so anti tangent is an angle of 11.30' degree. so you are 11..30'
West/East of IST line means IF shadow is East than you are WEST and
at 82.30' - 11.30' = 71 degree East longitude.
(If shadow is in the EAST than - you are IN the East of the TIME LINE
so you need to Start an experiment a DAY BEFORE (20 JUNE) and
repeated on 21st JUNE before 2 hours before 12 IST and preferably to
start more than an hour before to set up all arrangements)
Now you find exact time when to take results of the experiment. when
there is no shadow to the EAST/WEST - at 12Noon + (11.3o' x4) = @12 +
46 PM Here you have 46 minutes to do that. To take the next accurate
place readings. When there is no shadow in East/West but to the
NORTH/SOUTH ONLY (depending your position North or south of the SUN
in India or in the world) at that place at that time. GPS may be in
correct to show that but not the SUN.
Now measure the length of the shadow in accuracy of mm fractions. @
places "A", "B" & "N" or "S"@ the same time. If the Difference of the
length of shadow is 1mm at places "A" and "B" same time at Local time
when sun comes over head –(NO shadow on East or West) the
calculations will be simplified as follows. Anti tan 1/3000 gives the
angle made by shadow on the Earth surface gives the angle = at the
centre of the Earth by the distance of the place "A"to "B" on the
surface of the EARTH. Eg about 1.145' (1+') and find the
Circumference of the Earth = 360 degree. (around 40000 Km)
Similarly Controlled reading at "N" / "S" will help you to find
accuracy eg long distance measure will give more accuracy than 2KM
and correct your readings from that 50 KM distance experiments. (that
will give you about 23.5 mm shadow Difference than that of "A" and
23.5+1 mm than that of "B") so calculate the anti tangent and angle
and circumference of the Earth and Diameter or R for the Earth.
TO SIMPLIFY MORE and Easy work, Let One of the "N" OR "S" be Either
Delhi Jantar Mantar or JAIPUR - JANTAR MANTAR.
We are very rich in our Astronomy engineering - particularly JAIPUR
is the Richest in that sense. Jaipur has very good working
observatory (VEDH SHALA) with guiding facility.
According to an expert guide (who are also expert in astronomical
calculations)- And that all works local timing and longitude -
latitude of the place. Only the persons required to work for it.
We should utilize that place with aided observation with Summer
solstice of 21 June 2004. TEAM A - working with Local observatory
guides and Team B working with at the 23.5 N. That is the best place
for us to utilize the observation at that place and that is relay an
opportunity for Jaipur & Delhi and users too.
(Delhi and Jaipur observatory – Vedh Shala are constructed such a way
that it can work locally @ that Longitude Latitude and also at a
LOCAL time of that place. So we do not need to find the place
location of Longitude-Latitude while working there nor the local
time of that working place (Auto Sun Dial activity) – nor we need
toys like GPS nor sophisticated instruments. Not only that but many
of such astronomical activities – One like coming VENUS TRANSIT on 8
June 2004 also needs to be observed and activity to be worked in same
environment such as Local time and longitude Latitude, so many of
planetarium places and activity are just nothing in comparisons to
such VITAL places as others has to use their toys of GPS and
telescopic compass and Leveling like a Theodolites). So if we use
this place on the day 21 June2004 for a Solistic measurements. (use
the real measured distance from 23.5N to Vedh shala NS distance
measured by vehicle travel)
World geometric dimension Table: created
Earth's Equatorial Diameter
Equatorial Circumference 2D
Earth's Inter Polar Diameter
Inter Polar Circumference 2D
12756 Km (E to W)
40053 KM (E to W)
12714 K m (N to S)
39900 KM (N to S)
(E to W 23:30 N/S)
(Using Tangent 23:30=0.917)
360 degree @ 23.5 Degree
36730km@Tropic of Cancer 360 deg Round the Earth
39900 KM Inter Polar
1 Degree = 60 ` Mins /360
=102 km = 64 Miles
1 Degree = 60 ` Mins /360
=110 km = 70 Miles
1' Min = 60 " Secs /60
=1.7 KM =1.067 Miles
1' Min = 60 " Secs /60
=1.84 KM =1.16 Miles
=1700 M = 5632 Feet
=1840 M = 6124 Feet
1"Sec /60
28.3 M =94 Feet
1"Sec /60
30.8 M =102 Feet
= 37 adult steps
= 18 Second's walk
= 40 adult steps
= 20 Second's walk
1minute walk =300feets=92M
1minute walk =300feets=92M
1hour = 5.4 Km walk
1hour = 5.4 Km walk
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_699546%2C00040005.htm
Jayant Narlikar, Professor Emeritus and founder director of Inter
University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics (IUCAA), has been
awarded the prestigious Prix Janssen Gold Medal for 2004 by the
Society Astronomique de France.
The eminent astronomer will receive the gold medal, the highest award
given by the French Astronomical Society, on May 4, 2004, IUCAA
sources said.
The award is alternately given to a French astronomer (in odd years)
and a foreign astronomer (even years) for significant contribution to
astronomy, they said.
The award is named after French astronomer Pierre-Jules-C sar Janssen
(1824-1907), who was the first to obtain evidence about the existence
of helium on the sun and also discovered the chromosphere, a type of
gaseous envelope surrounding the star.
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:35 AM
Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Vidur, Rathnaji, Dr. Anasji, Dr.
Raghavan,
Thank you for comments and considerations, I do understand your
concerns for technical errors made in practical experimented by
Vidur. Though there was a technical error by Vidur to measure
elongation, as he did not keep in mind to check the (N=>S) line
artificial horizon, and relied on that assumption. it may be 5-6
degree out of line and makes a lot difference. also he should take
consideration of Latitude and position of SUN - about 2 degree north
of equator at that time. and my point to encourage him was that - My
long experience of study of - Astronomical engineering architecture
and Temples of SUN and its applications, I realised that what he was
going to do was Principally correct, and on that bases of
Astronomical engineering architecture - all JANTAR MANTAR are based
and constructed and RAMYANTRA does work on same principal. Though he
should try again correctly again as some ones calculation (~43
degrees) was incorrect and misleading.
More over for correction by spherical astronomical calculations , he
need to do a lot. Such and important books are now disappeared from
the course work of science - though some of translated old copies by
UNIVERSITY GRANTH NIRMAN BOARDS are available some where but now
difficult to get because of copy right laws. but some do hold
photocopies over there. One of such good book is here below.
Astronomy-spherical Smart, William M. Text-Book on Spherical
Astronomy 522.7 S Cambridge: University Press 1931
thank for your reply, I should thank you all to encourage and guide
all those are participating in this field,
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Dear Patelji
You have given very useful information about how little the the
elongation of venus has varied in the past several days. Any quantity
that passes through a maximum or minimum will always chage slowly
close to that maximum or minumum.
Vidurji has made a careful time measurement of the difference between
the setting times of the sun and venus. He has reported for March 27,
a time difference of 3h and 36m and 30s giving an equivalent angle of
~54 degrees. THIS HOW EVER is not the elongation as he had
originally assumed, not even the difference in RA of Venus and sun
(~43 degrees). Yet it was a very accurate measuremnt because he set
up his experiment very carefully! The elongation calculation itself
involved assuming the azimuths today. By tomorrow he will be able to
measure that as wellhopefully.
So by doing this experiment he has really understood nature of
projection effects. Nature works in far more interesting ways than
we initially assume. Vidurji, by reporting it in this forum has made
many more become aware of this which is the essence of a discussion
group.I hope you and your active group will also do this as you may
have clear horizons and report it.Unfortunately I donot have access
to clear horizons.
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: Has Begal 2 Crash Landed? let ufs find out TONIGHT !
Dear Science and Astronomy Friends,
Its Very sad to know that Begal 2 is not working properly, but not
unexpectedly. as chances of success are just ranging from 1/3 to 1/2
ONLY. let us know tonight to attempt to revive the Mars BEGAL 2 probe.
This time the BEGAL 2 system was prepared for an IMPERIAL system so
no one just blame any mistakes of Imperial to metric conversion
errors just to hide their own mistakes of the understanding mars
gravitation and Wrong calculations. Nor will blame any one putting
wrong programmes or signs - as that's all wrong as all programmes and
modules are practically ground tested before sending. BUT I thing
time will tell them to understand those own mistakes. Let us see what
is happening in 24 hours or so and on 1st of JANUARY NASA probe
landing on MARS with metric system based (system may be any thing -
should not make any difference but is some thing lands on surface at
1.5 times faster speed than expected it does make more difference -
and no other things to be blamed to cover up just own mistakes - but
need to correct them. in the future).
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:49 PM
Subject: Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas
traffic?
Dear space - science friends,
Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas traffic?
There have been many news of traffic congestion on the Mars around
the Christmas. But will there be any such traffic congestion on the
Mars? Three Mars missions are programmed in this year. And news goes
on the spread just as humours of the congestion on the Mars.
News spread and our sites and news media just copy those news and
paste as such as if that is the reality! No one thinks of the real
aspects and facts remain undisclosed.
We are expert in copying. no doubt we are the expert in that field.
not only the news but even whole of the films and so many more. We
need to understand and Forward our own thoughts and evaluate the
reality on our way. Thinks of Four dimensions of the space. - three
dimensions of the space and a time factor for the space travel. any
two or three mars crafts of meter of size can not make any congestion
on the Mars Surface at all. and there is fourth factor of the time -
each one is not expected at the same time to make any congestion.
Reality mars area and gravitation. infect there are many reasons to
have multiple mars mission in short interval of time. (same time -
area). mars has nearly same surface LAND area as that of the earth
land area(1/3 of total surface of the earth) and for such a big
surface area, three small modules will be like a LOST on The MARS
rather than a congestion on the MARS. We do remember last failure and
crash land and disputes. there was a calculation error of the
gravitational acceleration on the mars and so crash landed (over
speed of landing resulting the damage of the function of the last
mission). argue was that the system failed because of the Metric and
imperial system mistakes. So miss-judgement of the gravitation of
mars resulted in accelerated landing resulted in failure of the
mission. Actually that was more complicated than that was disputed
for.
Comparison with Earth, Moon and Sun gravitation with that of Mars.
Suns gravitation is nearly equal in comparison to MOON and Earth as
those both are nearly Equidistance from the Sun. When we think of
landing acceleration and MARS-g for the Mars, we need to see back to
SUN as well. As sun is approximately 1.5 (1.5AU) time further from
the mars, sun's gravitation is reduced by 1/(1.5x1.5) = 1/2.25 = 0.44
and that make MARS to enhance its own gravitation to accelerate the
landing probe on the MARS surface.
Which was not the problem with Moon landing calculations. and here we
do not have any option. we learned from previous failure and we need
to correct this time.
Chances of Success are 50 -50 according to the probe BEEGAL2
designer, so instead of the single we should plan multiple mission at
the appropriate time (EK SE DO BHALA), else schedule for next mission
will be pushed back for our Mars expedition mission. and there are
chances that any one can miss the target mission (we failed last one
and if still if we miss one of three , still there will be two to
communicate or help each other). And there is also a competition of
successful Mars Mission. NASA and ESA all are trying to make first
success of their mission to the Mars. More than two missions are
essential for these reasons and also multiple functions can be
carried out instead of the repeated missions which may waste time.
If any case any one fails, still the two working probes can
communicate via earth station. may help each other to find the cause
of any failure. even track each other. and if it happened so that
will be a miracle to find and trace the faulty probe on SUCH A BIG
SURFACE AREA OF THE MARS. and I am sure there will not be any
congestion but that will be like a mission of the "lost on the Mars".
and if it happened that way a BIG Sci fi movie will be on the way for
that "lost on the Mars". and we are always ready to copy it again as
we copy on the news.
Trace the other and Communication among the working probes is also
not an easy task. searching for the companion will be a big job for
each other. a single message will take at least 4 minutes
(Approximate 73,000,000 km / 3, 00,000 km /s speed of message= 243
seconds) to reach on the Mars (only one way message transmission).
and to see other partner and if found, send pictures back to earth is
a really tough job, time consuming and lot of patience will require
handling it rather than a congestion issue on the MARS.
Finding probes and Mars Obiter? could be easier if the Mars orbital
is left in the ORBIT around the Mars to make the communication and
tracking device assistance. (as was the case in the Moon landing -
Lunar landing Module and Lunar orbital - Returning Craft)
Science Fiction & films - if any exiting thing happed, that will give
rise to the next big movie of Mars expedition and Sci fi film. but
that depend what will happen. Hope our film industry will follow
their steps behind them. Needs step ahead for such an action, what
might happen rather that what has happened, for the inspiration of
the science in our scientific society to enhance the scientific
thinking and encouragement. we should be ready to offer all the
support for such a sci fi activity for our society. Hope some one
will come forward to think about it.
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Time to Be ready to
celebrate Christmas on Mars.
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:45 PM
3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G
=1) Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756
d and 1d from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 =
129709 km = 1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d
from the Sun – Sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636,
mean will be equal to that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
and Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider
than the expected (nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d
=129709 km – as for the Earth 1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at
that place in space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating
quite earlier than we think and more time gives more speed of probes
to wards the mars surface – and speed is gained more than we think
(speed = gt) towards the Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all
data. And see what happens to their gravitational field area. Which
one shrinks and which one swells up and how much? What will be the
effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes.
Even space shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of
entry to save from friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
We should keep in mind that Astronauts travelling to ISS never feel
the acceleration of Earth G but Deceleration of the Earth G. those
orbits are well below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth.
E.G. lower orbits from 300 to 800 and geosichronising orbits to 36000
Km. But those all orbits are still well below the Gravitational field
limit of the Earth, Higher the orbit slower the circular speed of the
Body in the orbit. ranging from 90 minutes to a day for a single
circle.
If the body travel from OUTSIDE of Earth gravitation files of Earth
towards the Earth and if Enters the Earth G Field - it feels the
acceleration of earth G depending on the enter angle to the Earth G
sphere. and accordingly bends the path of the travel. May pass in the
field or divert the path in the space. .
E.G. satellites orbiting earth at about 36000 Km is about six times
above the earth centre and the G falls to about 1/6 X 1/6 = 1/36 so G
=980/36 CM = only 27.22 CM, while body at the height of Earth G
boundary at 260 000 km it has G of less than a 1/2CM and tends to
ZERO if the body just slides the Earth G sphere - means may not enter
at all to the earth G filed and NO EARTH G is applicable to that
body.
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From: KutchScience Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:55 AM
On 8th June 2004 the planet Venus will cross the Sun's disk as seen
from Earth. It will cut into the solar disk at about 5:20am in the
morning and will pass off the other limb at about 11:23am. The last
occasion on which this happened was 1882, over a century ago.
Looking at the Sun at any time is potentially dangerous and can
result in serious eye damage or blindness. The safest way to view the
Sun is indirectly using a projection method.
VENUS Radius vector: 0.7261900 AU (109 million km) and SUN Radius
vector: 1.0150791 AU (152 million km)
ON 8th June Venus is at 0. : 0.7262 AU from Sun so 0.2889 AU from
Earth (1.0150791-0. 0.7262). And VENUS Diameter is 12012KM which
covers area of Sun about 12012 x 1.0151/0.2889 = 42206 Km Sun area.
This is greater part of the Sun than VENUS Diameter.
Sun D= 1391980 and divide by area covered by VENUS 42206, Gives us
how big area of Sun is covered by Planet Venus of 12012 Km diameter.
1391980 /42206 =32.98. So it covers nearly about 1/33of the Sun.
You may view the Sun directly only through a special filter made for
safe solar viewing. If you are not certain that a filter is approved
and safe or you have any other doubts - DO NOT USE IT.
Times of Transit 8th June 2004
All times given in UT (h:m:s).
Dec. 1631
Dec. 1639
June 1761
June 1769
Dec. 1874
Dec. 1882
June 2004
June 2012
Dec. 2117
Dec. 2125
External Ingress 05:19:57 (IST 10:49:57)
Internal Ingress 05:39:39 (IST 11:09:39)
Internal Egress 11:04:06 (IST 16:34:06)
External Egress 11:23:15 (IST 16:53:15)
As you can see from the list below, transits of Venus across the
Sun's disk are very rare (there are only about 12 per millennium!).
We are quite lucky that two transits are going to happen in the next
few years although the second one is only partially visible from some
parts of Europe.
There is a curious 243 year repeating pattern with two transits in
December (around the 8th) 8 years apart. Then wait 121 and half
years, then two June transits (around 7th), again 8 years apart. Then
wait 105 and half years and the pattern repeats again.
Information about Venus for 08 Jun 2004 05:00:40
(Julian day number 2453164.70880)
Local Information
Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 7m 50.39s
Declination: +22° 45' 5.7"
Constellation: Taurus
Altitude: 8° 31' 55"
Azimuth: 62° 49' 41"
Rise: 3h 47m 31s
Transit: 12h 8m 16s
Set: 20h 27m 25s
Geocentric Information
Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 7m 49.135s
Declination: +22° 45' 30.29"
True distance: 0.2888833 AU (43 million km)
Horizontal parallax: 30.44"
Heliocentric Information
Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:
Ecliptic longitude: 257° 39' 19.4"
Ecliptic latitude: -0° 3' 19.8"
Radius vector: 0.7261900 AU (109 million km)
Physical Information
Magnitude: -3.7
Phase: 0.000
Phase angle: 180.0°
Elongation: 0.0°
Diameter: 57.74"
Light time: 0h 2m 24.2s
Position angle of the bright limb: 294.5°
Mass: 4.8690e+024 kg (0.815 x Earth)
Mean equatorial radius: 6051.8 km (0.9488 x Earth)
Maximum angular diameter: 60.2"
Minimum geocentric distance: 0.277 AU
Geometric flattening: 0
Sidereal rotation period: 243d 0h 26m 56s (retrograde)
Mean density: 5.24 g/cm^3
Geometric albedo: 0.65 Information about Sun for 08 Jun 2004 05:00:40
(Julian day number 2453164.70880)
Local Information
Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 6m 42.74s
Declination: +22° 52' 23.6"
Constellation: Taurus
Altitude: 8° 46' 41"
Azimuth: 62° 58' 21"
Rise: 3h 42m 53s
Transit: 12h 9m 9s
Set: 20h 35m 54s
Geocentric Information
Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 6m 42.384s
Declination: +22° 52' 30.62"
True distance: 1.0150685 AU (152 million km)
Horizontal parallax: 8.66"
Heliocentric Information
Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:
Ecliptic longitude: 77° 45' 6.0"
Ecliptic latitude: -0° 0' 0.1"
Radius vector: 1.0150791 AU (152 million km)
Physical Information
Magnitude: -26.8
Light time: 0h 8m 26.5s
Mass: 1.9891e+030 kg (3.329e+005 x Earth)
Mean equatorial radius: 696000 km (109.1 x Earth)
Events for Tuesday 08 Jun 2004
00:26 Pluto transits the meridian
00:28 Uranus rises
00:44 Moon rises
00:45 Jupiter sets
01:24 Start of nautical twilight
02:51 Start of civil twilight
03:11 Mercury rises
03:43 Sun rises
03:48 Venus rises
04:14 Neptune transits the meridian
05:08 Moon transits the meridian
05:10 Pluto sets
05:38 Uranus transits the meridian
05:38 Saturn rises
06:04 Mars rises
08:44 Neptune sets
09:45 Moon sets
10:47 Uranus sets
11:00 Jupiter rises
11:17 Mercury transits the meridian
12:08 Venus transits the meridian
12:09 Sun transits the meridian
13:57 Saturn transits the meridian
14:30 Mars transits the meridian
17:51 Jupiter transits the meridian
19:26 Mercury sets
19:39 Pluto rises
20:27 Venus sets
20:36 Sun sets
21:28 End of civil twilight
22:17 Saturn sets
22:55 Mars sets
22:56 End of nautical twilight
23:39 Neptune rises
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