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Friends, Indians and Countrymen;

Recently a close friend of mine sent me a News story about the
National Rifle Association of India and its Secretary General
Baljeet Singh Sethi.

I happen to know Sethi personally and I vouch for the fact that he
is both a crook and a cheat who has regularly looted the NRAI for
personal gain. He is also the face of the Corruption of India;
because even with numerous accusations against him over the last
almost 15 years he has retained the position of Secretary General of
the NRAI; solely on the strength of the SIKH network that is
prevalent in Indian politics.

The youth of India must take the matter into their own hands if we
are to survive the cancerous corrupters in our society.

Sanjay Matkar
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Targetted shooter still unsure of his future
Ajai Masand
New Delhi, August 10

Zakir Khan comes from a family whose monthly earning could be a
middle class family's restaurant expenditure for a day. The family
of five survives on a sum of Rs 1,050 a month and Zakir's father
Azad Khan, a labourer, has no other option but to work in the fields
in Johri village.

Azad's only hope is his son who took to pistol shooting at a young
age and is now one of the top junior shooters in the country.

But as fate would have it, the talented Zakir's career seems
shrouded in despair.

"I am paying the price for speaking the truth," says the 15-year-old
whose name was omitted from the list of campers undergoing training
at the Dr Karni Singh Shooting Ranges under Australian coach Tibor
Gonczol.

It may be recalled that Zakir and another fellow shooter Ruby Tomar
had lodged a written complaint against coach TS Dhillon -- who had
accompanied them to the 11th Meeting of Shooting Hopes at Pizen
(Czech Republic) - accusing him of booking his excess baggage in
their names while returning to India.

Dhillon, the shooters had alleged, did not accompany the team back
and stayed back in London.

An internal inquiry was set into motion by the National Rifle
Association of India (NRAI), and the shooters were accused by NRAI
secretary-general Baljeet Singh Sethi of telling lies.

Sethi had gone to the extent of saying that Ruby Tomar's signature
on the complaint was 'bogus', even before the matter had been put in
front of the NRAI Governing Body, in a way giving a clean chit to
the coach.

As things stand now, Zakir finds himself out of the camp and the
matter has been referred to the Disciplinary Committee.

NRAI's assistant secretary Rajiv Bhatia told Hindustan Times that no
time frame had been set for the disciplinary committee to submit its
report. When asked why Zakir was being kept out of the camp, he
said, "I will not be able to say anything. Ask Mr Sethi. He will be
back on Wednesday."

Meanwhile, Zakir's coach in Johri village, Farooq Pathan, has
written letters to all those who matter in sports administration to
help out the young boy.

In letters written to All India Council of Sports Chairman, Vijay
Kumar Malhotra, Secretary-General (NRAI) Baljeet Singh Sethi,
Secretary-General, Indian Olympic Association Randhir Singh and
Sports Authority of India Director General Shekhar Dutt, he has
urged them all to help the junior shooter out.

"Zakir is the best junior in free pistol and is averaging scores of
544/600, while in air pistol he is ranked second with an average of
575/600.

"It is strange that despite his ranking, he is being kept out of the
20-day training camp," writes Pathan.

"The boy comes from a very poor family and it is beyond him to bear
the shooting expenses. It would also be in the fitness of things to
take him in the camp so that he can utilise the services of foreign
coach Gonczol," Pathan writes.

He further writes it is a "national shame" that such a good
shooter "who has the potential of bagging an Olympic medal" is being
kept out of the camp."

Pathan said that even if the NRAI relented now, Zakir could still
benefit from the camp and the foreign coach.

Dear Moderator,

I am not receiving any mail from NCP in my
mail box for last 3 days. I did, however check
my mail options at yahoo group and the option
selected there is daily individual mail.

I am wondering if others are getting mails why
not me then..?  I checked with my ISP and they feel
nothing wrong there. I am receiving mails from all
other accounts but from NCP.

I wanted to know if I am dropped from the NCPlist
and if so for what reasons?. Hope you would please
take time to reply. My other email id is provided
below:
wpnd1@...


Best regards

Ashok Sharma

By: Meenal Baghel and Deepak Lokhande (www.chalomumbai.com)
  August 31, 2003

Fifty-one-year-old Chhagan Bhujbal, home minister, is
characteristically combative tackling charges of corruption,
inefficiency and inability to keep Mumbai safe.

In an hour long interview to Meenal Baghel and Deepak Lokhande, the
deputy CM, who once bested actor Amjad Khan in a theatre class, gives
a full display of histrionics: Anger, disbelief, disgust and for the
moment, genuinely bruised pride.

Excerpts.

You've been under considerable fire these last few days.

Sher jab zakhmi hota hai, to bachche bhi patthar marte hain. The Sena-
BJP. They're all after me. After all, I effected a party split. They
tried to kill me also. Then as leader of Opposition I was the main
man fighting them. Go through the records and you'll find that no man
in either Congress or NCP Cabinet took them on like I did.

Are you saying that you are the only man in the Cabinet?

I am saying in all parties. What I mean is the way I am fighting —
inside Cabinet or outside, that no one is doing.

We were actually talking about Mr Ribeiro's charges, not the Sena-BJP.

I don't know why he is attacking me. When we came in power...this DG
Arvind Inamdar, I thought he was not competent; I wanted to shift him
to some other place. Immediately, Ribeiro wrote a big column in
newspapers, criticising me. When a new government comes, people do
get changed.

Are you saying…

Please let me finish (getting agitated) You want half-done answers? I
want to ask him, `You talk about the problems of discipline and
corruption in the force. What happened when you were there?' I
remember when Kasbekar was the commissioner and Ribeiro his joint CP,
he breached discipline and went around with the then CM, AR Antulay
on the streets of Bombay at night trying to be Haroon al Rashid.

Second — he says there is too much political influence. Well, I want
to ask, what did he do? Bal Thackeray has said that when Ribeiro
wanted to become police commissioner, he went to him and fell at his
feet.

Everyone knows that Mohan Katre was senior to Ribeiro in the force
but Ribeiro approached Thackeray who then told his close friend
Antulay who in turn told CM Baba Saheb Bhonsale. So that's how
Ribeiro became the commissioner and he talks about political favours!
(Gesticulating wildly).

Mr Bhujbal, you're getting personal…

No, no, no. When he is talking personal, I must retaliate. I am not a
coward.

No, you're not a coward, but you're a very senior minister while he
is a retired bureaucrat. Why should someone of your stature get into
a panga with him?

Arre not panga. I am defending myself. For so many years he went to
the press, made allegations against me and I kept quiet. Now I want
to remind him that one of the most undisciplined acts ever took place
when he was the commissioner. (Shifting into accusatory mode) `Your
(Ribeiro's) crime branch people partied with Dawood's people.

It was recorded and VHS copies were distributed all over and now
you're talking about my crime branch! I have stopped extortion in the
city. During the Sena-BJP administration traders observed Black
Diwali. People were afraid to hold wedding ceremonies in the city.
The film industry wanted to shift out of Bombay.

That's in the past…

But these police officers are not my product. You (Ribeiro) trained
them. You taught them. Now you criticise them. (Hollering to a
bearer, "Get me water.")

What about allegations of auctioning of police posts?

The Sena-BJP started these allegations. They had their favourite
officers but then our MLAs wanted their own men to normalise the
situation so I transferred officers at their requests. Immediately
the Sena-BJP began saying, `Paisa liya, paisa liya'.

Look at Mumbai. You name the best officers and they are here, Bajaj
is here, Maria is here. Ahmed Javed. He was just promoted but I made
him Joint CP. It does not happen so fast but I said, "No he's a good
officer." Joint CP Satyapal Singh is there, Mathur is there, PK Jain
is there. All of them have a good track record. You're saying I took
money from them?

It's great that you are defending your men but you know the public
perception of the police force right now is quite low.

(Disregards the question). And am I the only person who takes
decisions on who should the commissioner be? All decisions about IPS
officers are finally endorsed by the CM. It's a process. The file
first comes from the DG's office. I am only one in the chain.

So, you're saying that you do not enforce posting?

I don't get your question…

You are saying that you do not influence postings?

I am one of the chain. Just one station you may say. File comes to
me, the director-general puts his views. I may suggest one or two
changes. That's it.

Coming back to an earlier question. Right now you are defending a
force.

(Cuts in laughingly) I am the home minister. I must.

But at this moment the public perception about the police force is…

I understand. Some blasts have taken place. But we must understand
this in perspective. Law and order is good, extortion is not there,
riots are not there. You must appreciate that there is vast
improvement. I also put Bharat Shah behind bars.

I took on Chhota Shakeel by putting his movie in the docks. I took
action against this tycoon (Bharat Shah). Police came to me with the
file and I said go ahead. I had to suffer for it. Enmity with Chhota
Shakeel, Dawood...

Are you worried about that?

No I am not. I just want to put this on record to people who paint
only my black side.

Can we talk about the blasts?

Blasts zara hatke hain. You must understand, this is terrorism. It's
all over the world. It's international. My police alone can't control
them. Central Government is also involved. We are totally dependent
on IB intelligence.

What about local intelligence?

What does one do? (With terrorism) the (master) brain is in one
country, money comes from another, training goes in the third. The US
has the same problem. Israel who have the best intelligence is facing
this problem too. Such a small country, with a population one-fourth
that on Mumbai, all of them with military training...

That's poor consolation for the people of this city.

Okay... So all the CMs and the PM are meeting in Srinagar and a bomb
attack takes place. What do you say to that? They entered the
Parliament. What do you say? No one asked the home minister to
resign. Here the Sena-BJP started baying for (resignation) from day
one.

Are you saying that Mumbai must learn to live with this terror?

No. We should fight it out. But nowhere in the world have they
achieved 100 per cent control over terrorism.

But do you have an idea of where this is going? In December, after
the first blast, you said SIMI was responsible, in January, you said
LeT, in February, it was the revenge for Gujarat, in July, you said
Pasbaan-e-Ahle Hadees and now it's LeT, SIMI and the Ahle-Hadees.

So what's wrong with that? L K Advani has also confirmed this. SIMI
and LeT are working together. Pasbaan-e-Ahle Hadees is a splinter
group of LeT. Then there is what they call Jamiat-e-Islami-al Hind or
something. All this started after the Gujarat riots so what is it
that I've said that's wrong?

Not wrong. But does the government know what is happening? Or rather
what's going to happen next. There is no network of informers?

We had a network (of informers) till 1992. After those riots, it's
finished. We have no intelligence from the (Muslim) community.

Was banning SIMI the right step?

Well, there was a demand from the MLAs and no one opposed it. Since
we couldn't ban on our own, we asked the Centre.

In retrospect, do you think it was the right thing to do? First,
there is angst in the community, second, they've all gone
underground, the police can no longer monitor what's happening.

I am of the opinion that if some people are engaged in anti-national
things, the government has to take action. SIMI people were arrested
and released when the police realised that not all of them knew what
was going on behind the scenes. I told the police to release those
who were not involved.

But everyone got tarred by the same brush.

Well, at that time the demand (to ban) was there.

What's your personal opinion?

In politics, there is nothing personal. Either you depend upon the
police intelligence or you go by what is the demand of the House.

Can you give us an assurance that you can prevent further blasts?

Can anyone give an assurance (looks disgusted)? But we've been
acting. After the Gujarat riots, we created a Riot Control Police.
After Akshardham we're putting together the Quick Response Team, on
the lines of the NSG, and now there's the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS).

Recently, Mid Day carried a survey where retired bureaucrats and
police officers rated you. How would you personally rate yourself as
home minister?

An education minister can say he built 100 schools. An irrigation
minister can talk about water pumps. Even if he does not meet the
target he still gets credit for whatever is built. But a home
minister's work is not like that (tangible). It's people from within
the society who kill, rob, cheat, rape. But who gets blamed? The home
minister. So how can I rate myself?

PATNA: The Nationalist Congress Party (NCP), here on Monday demanded
that employment should be made a fundamental right.

Speaking at a dharna organised by the NCP, at the income-tax
roundabout, national general secretary Jagannath Mishra said that
the only way to prevent a civil anarchy, especially in Bihar, is to
make employment a fundamental right. He said that unemployment is
the main reason behind the rising crime graph in the state.

Mishra said that youths of the state have no means to earn their
livelihood, as there is almost no employment opportunity left in
both public and private sector. " This is the reason why they get
easily trapped in the net of anti-social elements and indulge in
crimes", he added.

Criticising the government's decision of liberalisation and
globalisation, he said, "although it has helped in increasing
production, there has been no rise in employment oppurtunities. At
the same time the presence of MNCs has destroyed the traditional
industries.

Bk

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Dear Friends,

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pf my e-groups. Please read and make up your mind to support
a free and fearless journalism and true investigative
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>>>>>>>

  TEHELKA INDIA

Help fund its creation.Support Free, Fair & Fearless Media.

Dear Citizen,

I write to you today to enlist your support in
creating a newspaper - Teh elka on the Weekend. The paper will
represent everything Tehelka has come to symbolize, in the last three
years - free, fair and fearless public interest journalism.

Ever since we broke the story on corruption in defence
procurements, we have had to face relentless victimization at the
hands of a powerful establishment. In two years Tehelka's staff has
gone from 120 people to three; its office has been vacated; its
staffers arrested and harassed; and its debts have spiralled. Yet its
support has grown, as has its resolve.

We are determined to keep Tehelka from becoming a bad
story: do the right thing and be destroyed for it. We want Tehelka to
be a good story: do the right thing, suffer for it, but succeed in
the end.

We will be back this October. We will be back as 'Tehelka
on the Weekend', a weekly paper. It will represent everything Tehelka
has stood for in the last three years.It will be aggressively
independent. It will not be aligned to any business house or
political party. It will be aligned only to the public interest.

We need hundreds of thousands of Indians to come forward
and join us. That alone can ensure Tehelka retains its complete
independence. You have to make this Tehelka happen. It is with your
advance subscriptions, your engagement that the paper will be created.

Many wonderfully eminent and ordinary people have already
come forward and aligned with Tehelka's vision. I urge you to step
forward and help create the paper by becoming a Founder Subscriber or
a member of the Tehelka Engaged Circle.


As a Founder Subscriber, you will join the ranks of
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Naqvi, John Singh, Dr.Prathap.C.Reddy and more. You will also be a
part of the Tehelka National Collegium where you can have a firsthand
discussion with people at the forefront of change and contribute to
the agenda of Tehelka as well.


By subscribing to Tehelka Engaged Circle, you will have a
platform to connect with warriors who are on the frontlines, fighting
pitched battles against all odds, with socially conscious Indians
like yourself. The Engaged Circle will act as a catalyst to make
issues into crusades and resurrect a critical mass that can make a
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as well, where you can come face to face with these warriors.

Yours sincerely,

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Tehelka Advisory Board
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Log onto http://www.tehelka.com

Dear Bharat,

I thankyou for your positive stand and sincerely appriciate
the fact that you are indeed concerned and are putting
efforts to move our people in right direction.  I like to repeat
again here that with some efforts from many people in all states
we shall be able to remove the hurdles and start kicking happily...
in a right direction. I agree this may seem a utopean dream to
achieve because we of the lack of resources and then Media is not on
our side. It sides with the corrupt and powerful people and the only
option we common people have is to start our first potential contact
compaign and multiply in all states. With just a few hundred
committed people in our first phase will create a massive pyramid of
right people united as a massive force to reckon with.

Our little success with "contact" compain within our smaller circle
of friends, if planned and executed smartly, will link these smaller
pools with the larger and ever grow soon into an oceon of people on
the right track that are just needing a trigger to dash. And believe
miracles do happen and when we with Truth some incredible hings may
emerge out of the unexpected. Sincere approach is the key word.

We shall achieve many things together and when we are with the Truth
with good intentions for our Motherland even sky may lower itself to
help our purpose.

My best regards

Ashok Sharma


"Bharatkumar" <bharatkumar007@y...> wrote:

> Dear Ashok Bhai,
> I am really thank full to you in many due respects.
>  India Needs us,we are the real assets of our country.
> On behalf of NCP IT CELL i am really thankful to you for motivating
> peoples to do something for our motherland.
>
>
> Regards
>
> with love and affection
>
> Take care
>
> BharatKumar S Bhandary(Bk)
>
> < GENTLY SNIPPED >

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Dear Ashok Bhai,
I am really thank full to you in many due respects.
  India Needs us,we are the real assets of our country.
On behalf of NCP IT CELL i am really thankful to you for motivating
peoples to do something for our motherland.


Regards

with love and affection

Take care

BharatKumar S Bhandary(Bk)



--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., "Ashok Sharma"
<agrostar@s...> wrote:
> Conditions in India Part - II
>
>
>
> I suggest the following and welcome corrections from friends:-
>
>
> Draft Proposal on our India-wide link-up  and  working:
>
> It is better for several different organizations to take part in
these crucial matters and in order to do
> this we have to develope a multiple and efficient streering system
where we first allow
> the steering method of each group to operate until the group
evolves to a high level propeller itself.>>
>
> At each growth level, we insert a special interactive liason group
that ensures that many members
> of the group understand their individual tasks and can quickly
complete these specific roles. >>
>
> A joint command can be formed to see the overall success of our
task taken up.>>
>
> Core members could gather into state-related liaison team to
oversee the group's day-to-day functions.>>
> In this way, we shall be able to merge some very diverse activists
and pooling of resources and
> strong elements of existing function groups and NGOs would be able
to solve potential problems effectively.>>
>
> Foremost duty of all implementing members will be to find
potential contacts within their own circle
> and involve these concerned them for a task that is going to grow
huge in proportions but with able
> management skills of friends and members here we shall be able to
form a system that will be fluid
> and self correcting in time.>>
>
> The most crucial will be formation of apex group the success can
come by discussing amongst
> ourselves to launch and achieve the crucial 'first potential
contact numbers in each state and create
> a first circle data base all over India in two to three weeks
time.>>
>
> Each one of us has experience of some sort and certain unique
qualifications and specilities and
> success of our 'first potential contact' assignment would project
and evaluate direction of our mission.>>
>
> If we are not able to carry out this properly, results may yield
to a dismal failure. >>
>
> To each one of us, who do not officially exist as yet, so this
first contacting members from us will detail
> all others 'first potential contactees' what we wish them to know.
>>
>
> Since direct interaction on a mass scale still is not possible, we
must do what is possible and also use
> ways to enlarge our scope and width of our 'window'. >>
>
> It may seem a slow process in the beginning and will be a good
test of our patience.>>
>
> All bad elements and corrupt beaurocrates and leaders who will be
the target of our reforms have a
> a great deal at stake in maintaining the status quo and happily,
confidently and rightfully, we shall intend
> to make it known through an open and wide, formal announcement our
purpose and existence.>>
>
> Declaration can go out in public and to the concerned state or
central government  that we are here
> to put an end to the present illegal system of our governance in
India which is corrupt and shady
> to the core, is working only against the welfare of the people of
India.>>
>
> These white collared criminals and thugs have been managing
hierachically the affairs of India that
> are bringing a doom for common man and they have, out of their
greed and lust,foolishly flouted and
> eroded the national weath, character using all illegitimate means
at their disposal. They are feasting
> on public money and to enrich a few hundreds year after year, they
have ruined the fate of millions.>>
>
> They governed using and twisting the system to their benefit and
deviced means and practices that allowed
> corruption and bad practices to grow that only benefited them more
than the people of India.>>
>
> We wish all the 'first potential contactees' to become the prime
transformers in India and we merely
> be their supervisors and guides and compassionate groups to steer
them and help them achieve this.>>
>
> In this role, we shall be able to retain and put forth our wisdom
and resources that will pave the way for
> success of all that we together want to achieve for overall good
of all. We can not only provide a
> strength they need but would serve as able and wise mediators for
a new political, economic and
> financial system.>>
>
> Our specific intentions: Proposal is open to all for correction or
additions in our Gross objectives:-
>
> Life in  our Big Cities:-
>
> Our urban areas are collapsing with man made ecological disasters
where millions struggling to just
> live in and cope up the pressures of miserable system have to bear
the burden of life. Where many years
> of corrupt, unplanned and inefficient functioning of the state
administration prevails.
> Where a vast majority of people not finding any other alternatives
and have to bear the crushing load and
> eventually get sucked and adopt to a self-centered and corrupt way
of life.
>
> In these large cities of India, where tens of millions live, we
find a haphazard chaos spreading fast to
> unimaginable levels with slums after slums, drugg peddlers, small
and big crimes, spreading HIV/AIDS,
> ill-health,mal-nuetrition, disease, bad and unhygenic living
conditions, corrupt 'hafta-wala police and
> government officials, teams of cruel advocates and mindless
justice making system supportive to powerful
> and the rich, Where the officials, instead of providing justice to
the to tired, helpless, defense-less,
> resource-less, poor and desparate people, start their day with
devilish intention of crushing these already
> sad and hapeless people who need help. These gangs of thugs,
likers robbers band are in every walk of life-
> be it police,civic administration,business,politics,public dealing
officials,railway tickets,government offices
> and many other places who use their sly methods,cunning approach
to pound on those who are in difficulty
> by using their authority,position,even threats and blackmails with
no regard to the respect and difnity of a
> person, unless one, unless one is connected to their high ups or
can grease their palms to subvert and distort
> the facts as they choose to do in order to favour their person.
Where is the fair play and codes of ethic that
> we know...
>
> Here all dirty games are planed and played with the nation by high
level beaurocrates and politicians, side by side,
> and each knowing what others of their clan are doing. Just a few
hundred people are busy victimizing other millions of people in
depriving them a way of life that could provide some relief or a
better quality of life. But citizen are more frustrated and robed of
> their dignity. With no livable housing plans,neighbourhood
facilities or cheap,clean and healthy essential services. Cities
> that we feel proud of are full with thousands of beggers, several
thousand whore and their pimps and handicapped with yet
> a few million others who are thugs,petty criminals or tricksters
in their own way.
>
> We have to help do look into all this and improve everything.
Forming a core team of specially-trained helpers
> is to be formed drawn from the clean and worried section of
society who can lend assistance in all such
> matters in consultation with the residencial welfare associations
and individual residents.
> The main point is to become more deeply involved in improving our
community and in our mother earth and its environment.
>
>
> RURAL INDIA
>
> Our rural areas are to be returned to their original condition of
unspoiled forests and sprawling fields.
> Farmers are turning away from tilling vast areas of agricultural
land because government do not even
> provide facility of water or lift their crops in time or pay them
the price. Subsidies in fertilizers announced
> year after year passed benefits to many hands and government
cooperatives rather than benefitting
> all farmers. There is a general lack of interest developing in
rural belt on account of too many regulations
> that are coming to simple farmers inspired by WTO/GM Crops seed
controversies and other schemes
> and are causing confusion and helping negative mindset making
people dissuade from farming. This is
> not a good trend and has to be corrected.
>
> Un-utilized and waste land area belonging to village panchayats
and or state governement could be given on
> annual lease at nominal price of say at rupees 500 an acre per
year to village youth  making cooperatives to
> grow  to develope organic farming yields or handicraft units where
the villagers are inherently specialized.
> This will not only help state governments to get revenue on
millions of acres of waste land every year but would also provide
> a gainful employment opportunity to villagers within their own
place and block their influx to citieis to find work. Cities
> do not do any good to our village youth and rather their lives are
destroyed and crippled in city madness.
>
> As we become more aware of what is happening, w may begin to
realize the problems of Mother Earth and
> urgency to guide and sustain our eco-system. As if we are under
some kind of spell or amnesia and are ignoring
> some crucial matters too important for communities and related to
the health of our planet.
> We have to correct this and expand in right direction now.
>
> Joining of NGOs to share our efforts and specializations and
our "first potential contact" plan with the people
> is crucial and will provide us an opportunity to aid and help
communities,society and our people with patience and love.
>
> I visualize that we are just on the brink of a vast leap now in
right direction....Let us make this time to be time of many
achievements together and start of our ' first potential contact'
compaign with the people.
>
> Our stand with the Truth and Grace of God will guide us and our
India with love and compassion in our hearts.
> We need to remain unwavering in our commitments to society,our
country and specially to each other.
>
>
> Ashok Sharma
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Conditions in India Part - II



I suggest the following and welcome corrections from friends:-


Draft Proposal on our India-wide link-up  and  working:

It is better for several different organizations to take part in these crucial
matters and in order to do
this we have to develope a multiple and efficient streering system where we
first allow
the steering method of each group to operate until the group evolves to a high
level propeller itself.>>

At each growth level, we insert a special interactive liason group that ensures
that many members
of the group understand their individual tasks and can quickly complete these
specific roles. >>

A joint command can be formed to see the overall success of our task taken up.>>

Core members could gather into state-related liaison team to oversee the group's
day-to-day functions.>>
In this way, we shall be able to merge some very diverse activists and pooling
of resources and
strong elements of existing function groups and NGOs would be able to solve
potential problems effectively.>>

Foremost duty of all implementing members will be to find potential contacts
within their own circle
and involve these concerned them for a task that is going to grow huge in
proportions but with able
management skills of friends and members here we shall be able to form a system
that will be fluid
and self correcting in time.>>

The most crucial will be formation of apex group the success can come by
discussing amongst
ourselves to launch and achieve the crucial 'first potential contact numbers in
each state and create
a first circle data base all over India in two to three weeks time.>>

Each one of us has experience of some sort and certain unique qualifications and
specilities and
success of our 'first potential contact' assignment would project and evaluate
direction of our mission.>>

If we are not able to carry out this properly, results may yield to a dismal
failure. >>

To each one of us, who do not officially exist as yet, so this first contacting
members from us will detail
all others 'first potential contactees' what we wish them to know. >>

Since direct interaction on a mass scale still is not possible, we must do what
is possible and also use
ways to enlarge our scope and width of our 'window'. >>

It may seem a slow process in the beginning and will be a good test of our
patience.>>

All bad elements and corrupt beaurocrates and leaders who will be the target of
our reforms have a
a great deal at stake in maintaining the status quo and happily, confidently and
rightfully, we shall intend
to make it known through an open and wide, formal announcement our purpose and
existence.>>

Declaration can go out in public and to the concerned state or central
government  that we are here
to put an end to the present illegal system of our governance in India which is
corrupt and shady
to the core, is working only against the welfare of the people of India.>>

These white collared criminals and thugs have been managing hierachically the
affairs of India that
are bringing a doom for common man and they have, out of their greed and
lust,foolishly flouted and
eroded the national weath, character using all illegitimate means at their
disposal. They are feasting
on public money and to enrich a few hundreds year after year, they have ruined
the fate of millions.>>

They governed using and twisting the system to their benefit and deviced means
and practices that allowed
corruption and bad practices to grow that only benefited them more than the
people of India.>>

We wish all the 'first potential contactees' to become the prime transformers in
India and we merely
be their supervisors and guides and compassionate groups to steer them and help
them achieve this.>>

In this role, we shall be able to retain and put forth our wisdom and resources
that will pave the way for
success of all that we together want to achieve for overall good of all. We can
not only provide a
strength they need but would serve as able and wise mediators for a new
political, economic and
financial system.>>

Our specific intentions: Proposal is open to all for correction or additions in
our Gross objectives:-

Life in  our Big Cities:-

Our urban areas are collapsing with man made ecological disasters where millions
struggling to just
live in and cope up the pressures of miserable system have to bear the burden of
life. Where many years
of corrupt, unplanned and inefficient functioning of the state administration
prevails.
Where a vast majority of people not finding any other alternatives and have to
bear the crushing load and
eventually get sucked and adopt to a self-centered and corrupt way of life.

In these large cities of India, where tens of millions live, we find a haphazard
chaos spreading fast to
unimaginable levels with slums after slums, drugg peddlers, small and big
crimes, spreading HIV/AIDS,
ill-health,mal-nuetrition, disease, bad and unhygenic living conditions, corrupt
'hafta-wala police and
government officials, teams of cruel advocates and mindless justice making
system supportive to powerful
and the rich, Where the officials, instead of providing justice to the to tired,
helpless, defense-less,
resource-less, poor and desparate people, start their day with devilish
intention of crushing these already
sad and hapeless people who need help. These gangs of thugs, likers robbers band
are in every walk of life-
be it police,civic administration,business,politics,public dealing
officials,railway tickets,government offices
and many other places who use their sly methods,cunning approach to pound on
those who are in difficulty
by using their authority,position,even threats and blackmails with no regard to
the respect and difnity of a
person, unless one, unless one is connected to their high ups or can grease
their palms to subvert and distort
the facts as they choose to do in order to favour their person. Where is the
fair play and codes of ethic that
we know...

Here all dirty games are planed and played with the nation by high level
beaurocrates and politicians, side by side,
and each knowing what others of their clan are doing. Just a few hundred people
are busy victimizing other millions of people in depriving them a way of life
that could provide some relief or a better quality of life. But citizen are more
frustrated and robed of
their dignity. With no livable housing plans,neighbourhood facilities or
cheap,clean and healthy essential services. Cities
that we feel proud of are full with thousands of beggers, several thousand whore
and their pimps and handicapped with yet
a few million others who are thugs,petty criminals or tricksters in their own
way.

We have to help do look into all this and improve everything. Forming a core
team of specially-trained helpers
is to be formed drawn from the clean and worried section of society who can lend
assistance in all such
matters in consultation with the residencial welfare associations and individual
residents.
The main point is to become more deeply involved in improving our community and
in our mother earth and its environment.


RURAL INDIA

Our rural areas are to be returned to their original condition of unspoiled
forests and sprawling fields.
Farmers are turning away from tilling vast areas of agricultural land because
government do not even
provide facility of water or lift their crops in time or pay them the price.
Subsidies in fertilizers announced
year after year passed benefits to many hands and government cooperatives rather
than benefitting
all farmers. There is a general lack of interest developing in rural belt on
account of too many regulations
that are coming to simple farmers inspired by WTO/GM Crops seed controversies
and other schemes
and are causing confusion and helping negative mindset making people dissuade
from farming. This is
not a good trend and has to be corrected.

Un-utilized and waste land area belonging to village panchayats and or state
governement could be given on
annual lease at nominal price of say at rupees 500 an acre per year to village
youth  making cooperatives to
grow  to develope organic farming yields or handicraft units where the villagers
are inherently specialized.
This will not only help state governments to get revenue on millions of acres of
waste land every year but would also provide
a gainful employment opportunity to villagers within their own place and block
their influx to citieis to find work. Cities
do not do any good to our village youth and rather their lives are destroyed and
crippled in city madness.

As we become more aware of what is happening, w may begin to realize the
problems of Mother Earth and
urgency to guide and sustain our eco-system. As if we are under some kind of
spell or amnesia and are ignoring
some crucial matters too important for communities and related to the health of
our planet.
We have to correct this and expand in right direction now.

Joining of NGOs to share our efforts and specializations and our "first
potential contact" plan with the people
is crucial and will provide us an opportunity to aid and help
communities,society and our people with patience and love.

I visualize that we are just on the brink of a vast leap now in right
direction....Let us make this time to be time of many achievements together and
start of our ' first potential contact' compaign with the people.

Our stand with the Truth and Grace of God will guide us and our India with love
and compassion in our hearts.
We need to remain unwavering in our commitments to society,our country and
specially to each other.


Ashok Sharma


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello My friends;

I am happy that there is at least a discussion on these issues in
our group. Now, to clarify some misconceptions:

1) No supercomputers are needed for the building of this database.
As you are aware this program has already been deployed by my
colleagues in the USA, and covers a data base of 4 million people.

How long did this take? Only 120 days (4 months).

2) The task of Identifying and putting onto a data base a population
of 1.2 billion people will take about 2 years, if the matter is made
mandatory. It can be done by contracting the technology to
registered vendors in each State and Region, who will be the
backbone of this whole project. We have to understand that the
project cannot be restricted to government resources; it REQUIRES
the participation of private industry, that is as loyal to India as
the bureaucrats and ministers who just pretend to be loyal.

3) The task of securing the Nation from terrorism CANNOT be done
only by barricading the Parliament from the rest of the Nation by
putting up an electrified fence around the Parliament. all that the
fencing does is barricade the building. What are the MPs going to
do? Stay inside that Parliament house for the rest of their lives?

4) Every person on the Streets is a Target. Last week 60 innocent
people died in Mumbai. Next time the Terrorists will target the
Ministers. And this has happened in India before. From the time of
Indira Gandhi; when the then Railway Minister L.N. Mishra was killed
by a bomb, to Rajiv Gandhi, and a Punjab Chief Minister.

5) The only real security is ENSURED when the criminals know that
they will be caught. The Bombing of Mumbai in 1993 and 2003 has one
thing in common. That the Criminals were not punished and will not
be punished.

Advani can shout himself silly that Pakistan is harbouring the
terrorists, but his shouting actually and acutely points of a
glaring reality; THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA IS IMPOTENT. Shouting
will not bring the guilty to the gallows; only strong action will.

We, the people have to start the action process. Dont depend on the
bureaucrats, they wont let it happen. Most bureaucrats have a single
point agenda in their careers, make millions of dollars in under the
table money and then retire to USA or Canada.

I know it, and you know it. How can we stop it? Thats the multi-
billion dollar question.

Sardar Sanjay Matkar






--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., GALAXICINDIAN
<galaxicindian@y...> wrote:
>
> Bio-Metrix ID System...
>
>
> The concept of biometrics id card would involve scanning of thumb
> or eyes or some body part of all the human being living in India
and
> as such would involve an operation of a massive scale until and
unless
> Governments makes it compulsory to do it in phased manner upto
> each block and panchayat level.Another difficulty to be negotiated
will be
> link up identification data to a super computer and in case of a
break-down
> link it further with some setallite system to keep it operational
round the
> clock for every nook and corner of India. Card readers located at
every point
> cannot store huge national data in billions and would need some
sort of
> national hook up system so that a guy comming from Assam may find
> entry door open for him automatically in Mumbai or Delhi after is
ID is
> cleared electronically from the national data base..
>
> Even if this is accomplished, which by all means is a utopian task
as a
> simple system of manual ration card or a photo Id cards for voting
too
> remain incomplete becuse of our 'attitude' . Give India a scheme
that
> some other country can do it better for us may be we shall jump at
it.
> Who watches ' doordarshan' these days..? We were too tired and
thought
> foreign media to call in and report us our own news...So we have
all others
> but not "doordarshan"
>
> We are called a soft state by other nations not because our Jawans
give their
> lives on borders without waging a valliant battle but because of
our 'attitude'..
> and our systems are too loose and corrupt to the core and never it
is admitted
> or adopted a national priority to tackle by the trash that sits in
the parliament.
>
> Assuming for a minute that this scheme of Bio-metric id system is
cleared next
> step while drawing up the national budget will be how to siphon
away a few hundred
> crores from this and inflate the cost for the nation. Show them
the money for them
> out of a good project and I am sure BK  it may be accepted and
implemented too,
> though it will remain ineffective, I believe.
>
> Ashok Sharma
>
>
> Bharatkumar <bharatkumar007@y...> wrote:
> Sanju,
>
> In India wat honest citizens says is never implemented,only
> ministers and bureaucrats are the one who decide the fate of our
> motherland.
> If u decide to do it then also i bet my last watever i have that
NO
> Body Is Gooing To Give U Permission Nor No One Here Is Interested
In
> Improveing The Life Standard Of Indian People.
>
> So Bro no point in talking about Citizens Identity Card!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Yaaro Ka Yaar Bk
>
>
> --- In nationalistcongressparty@..., Sanjay Matkar
> <kozak_vodka@y...> wrote:
> > BK;
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that many people in India will not want to give their
> personal information to the Government, but I bet you my last
dollar
> that these are people who are doing illegal activities and dont
want
> to be caught.
> >
> > If the Biometric ID card offers you benefits like improved
medical
> care, relief from black market; ( like, not having to book your
> train reservations 3 months in advance because agent capture block
> seats for money and sell them in black markets; because House
prices
> are rising since people have many houses under benami names,
etc.).
> why would a honest and law abiding citizen of India not want these
> ID cards?
> >
> > Yes, people woth criminal motives will object to it; and this
> includes ministers and bureaucrats, because it will stop their
> illegal and immoral activities. But the honest citizen has nothing
> to fear because it will help to imporve the quality of life.
> >
> > Sanjay!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bharatkumar <bharatkumar007@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sanju,
> > We all regret yesterdays trajic incident that shook Mumbai once
> > again and our condolance to the vitcims familly members.
> > I liked ur opinion about Citizens Identity Card ,it is really a
> > good thing if it implemented in India.
> > But the question is,Whether the Goverment or the Politicians
like
> > to pass this bill?
> > Coz in my knowlege this issue about Citizens Identity Card was
> rased
> > by few cautious people but then these people are benumbed and
have
> > maintained a silence over years.
> >
> > Bro u must be haveing Social Security No in USA,it has all
details
> > abt an individual,if this system is implemented in India there
> will
> > be many who dunnot want to give out there details..........
> >
> > But i strongly feel tht all ppl living in Mumbai and Suburbs
need
> to
> > have a Citizens Identity Cards ,tht will help in to keep check
of
> > inflow of ppl in Mumbai and also it will help our Scottland
Yards
> to
> > keep check on terrorist like activity.
> >
> > BK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In nationalistcongressparty@..., "Sanjay"
> > wrote:
> > > Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
> > >
> > > All of us are shocked at the Bomb-blasts that killed between
45
> to
> > 60
> > > people yesterday in Mumbai and injured at least 200 hundred
> > others.
> > > The pyschological impact on our people and their children is
> > > unmeasurable.
> > >
> > > This incident points out the cruel fact that India needs to
> deploy
> > > Citizens Identity Cards immediately and without any more
delay.
> > The
> > > latest technology available in India will make the ID cards
very
> > > cheap and the use of Biometric cards will guarantee that they
> > cannot
> > > be forged by the commom criminals.
> > >
> > > Many Politicians will shout out against this proposal. That is
> > > because they want and need the unidentified vote banks that
are
> > > required to stuff the ballot boxes with votes. It is time that
> the
> > > CITIZENS of India demanded that National ID cards be made
> > mandatory.
> > >
> > > Teams of professionals in the Infotech industry have studied
> this
> > > issue over the last two three years, and the general consensus
> is
> > > that Biometric ID cards that cannot be tampered with or easily
> > > duplicated will cost about Rs 100 per card to manufacture. The
> > back
> > > office infrastructure will cost between 100 to 150 crores over
a
> > > three stage implementation. What this will achieve is the
> follows:
> > >
> > > 1) Every citizen of India will be identified by Name,
> > fingerprints,
> > > face photo and more importantly by Facial recognization
software
> > that
> > > catches disguised faces.
> > >
> > > 2)The black market of everything in India, be it Train
Tickets,
> or
> > > Benaami properties will immediately be traced and caught.
> > >
> > > 3) Corruption in Government will decline by at least 50%. The
> > > government corruption is today dependent on Huge paper files
> that
> > > hide all the anomalities of the Government.
> > >
> > > 4)Most importantly, the Non-Citizens of India who enter
> illegally
> > > will be exposed since they cannot have access to the high
> > technology
> > > that is required to manufacture Biometric ID cards.
> > >
> > > In one swoop India can control crime as well as trace
> undesirable
> > > elements in society; thereby assuring the law abiding citizens
> of
> > > India a peaceful society.
> > >
> > > Sardar Sanjay Matkar.
> >
> >
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--- ramasare prasad <ramasare@...> wrote:
Plwase note my "reply" as follows:Vijay Mavani(28/08)
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PLease remove me from list
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Vijay
Mavani(vijay_mavani888@...)dt.Aug-28,2003
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Dear asshok,
Its a proper initiative, and needs constructive
planning, , I support your idea, n wish you get us
together under one roof. good luck


--- Ashok Sharma <agrostar@...> wrote:
>
> Conditions in India Part -I
>
>
>  Dear friends,
>
> Let us discuss more amongst ourself - issues that
> are been considered a priority by many of us and
> are related to some conditions in India at crisis
> level now. I request for suggestions from all
> members to
> this list on following an action plan intended to
> create a wider interactions by and between various
> groups in all parts of India. In order to extract
> the optimum from individuals and groups we need to
> know:-
>
>   a.. How we have to function henceforth.
>   a.. Structure and functioning of groups.
>   a.. Find our how even as an individuals and in
> scattered groups / NGOs we work together to achieve
> overall objectives and ends in a smooth manner.
>   a.. How we can achieve and reflect in our working
> a good India-wide cooperation that could becomes a
> unique model for other groups that may come into
> existence in months to come so that all all efforts
> areautomatically absorbed to sustain us ever better
> and we all grow and get stronger by time.
>   a.. How we can remove any kind of doubt or
> suspicion in our motives.
>
>
> Ashok Sharma
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Conditions in India Part -I


  Dear friends,

Let us discuss more amongst ourself - issues that are been considered a priority
by many of us and
are related to some conditions in India at crisis level now. I request for
suggestions from all members to
this list on following an action plan intended to create a wider interactions by
and between various
groups in all parts of India. In order to extract the optimum from individuals
and groups we need to
know:-

   a.. How we have to function henceforth.
   a.. Structure and functioning of groups.
   a.. Find our how even as an individuals and in scattered groups / NGOs we work
together to achieve overall objectives and ends in a smooth manner.
   a.. How we can achieve and reflect in our working a good India-wide
cooperation that could becomes a unique model for other groups that may come
into existence in months to come so that all all efforts areautomatically
absorbed to sustain us ever better and we all grow and get stronger by time.
   a.. How we can remove any kind of doubt or suspicion in our motives.


Ashok Sharma





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PLease remove me from list
thanks


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New Delhi, Aug 26: Nationalist Congress Party, which is a partner in
the Maharashtra ministry, today asked the ruling NDA coalition at
the Centre to extend all help to the Sushil Kumar Shinde government
in fighting terrorism and stop "politicking" over it.

"The acts of terrorism have to be met with joint political will,
understanding and fighting terrorism of this kind is equally the
responsibility of the Central government, if not more. Therefore,
the NDA government should extend all cooperation in combating
terrorism, rather than politicking over it," NCP general secretary
Tariq Anwar said today.

Condemning yesterday's blasts in Mumbai leaving 52 people dead and a
large number injured, Anwar said that the state government should
take steps on a war footing to arrest the culprits and invoke Pota.

Wondering about the timing of the blasts, especially in view of the
political developments in u p and the ASI report on Ayodhya, the NCP
leader strongly criticised the statements issued by Shiv Sena and
BJP which, he alleged, had chosen to do "politics on dead bodies."



Bk

Source : rediff.com ( http://in.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/26mars.htm )

On the night of August 27, turn off your TV. Step outside. And watch
the real stars. Mars, the red planet, will be closest to Earth in
about 60,000 years! Any kid will tell you how to spot the
planet: 'Climb that water tank...' But beyond those iron rungs, it is
easy to get lost in space. So, here's a guide for your mission.

Pre-flight briefing

When it comes to space 'close' is a relative term. In a few hours,
when you look across at Mars, you will be looking across 55.76
million kilometres! Yes, that is close. In astronomical terms it is
your backyard. And the best ever view of the planet you can have in
your lifetime.

In India, Mars will be the closest to Earth at 3:21 pm. But it will
be daylight. Wait a few hours till your place under the Sun moves
away from it. When night falls, Mars should shine the brightest in
the eastern sky. A night later on August 28, at 10:56 pm, the Sun,
Earth and Mars will be in a straight line, or in 'opposition' as the
astronomers would have it. This affords a slightly better view but
not for the naked eye or the amateur's telescope.

The spectacle returns only in year 2287. Then Mars will be 70,000 km
closer than what it will be now.

Watching with the naked eye

Though Mars's tryst with Earth occurs at 3.21 pm, the planet rises
after 7 pm. Don't rush yet. Astronomers suggest 8.30 pm should be the
easiest. Because August 27 brings a new moon there should be no
viewing trouble at all minus the possibility of clouds.
Walk on to the terrace of your building or an open ground and face
east. In August, Mars should be found there. In the south-south east,
if you are finicky.
The famous red planet is orange! Ask me why? Well, it gives off a
rusty orange hue due to the rust coloured dust that covers much of
it. Mars is currently surrounded by faint constellations so there is
little chance you will miss it.
Mars will be at its greatest 'apparent' diameter and a 'visual
magnitude', or brightness, of -2.9, the maximum possible for the
planet. On July 1, Mars was at a brightness of -1.5 and it grows
brighter at the rate of one tenth of a magnitude every day. Some
describe the planet's glow to that of a plane's landing light.
If you are familiar with constellations, then remember Mars will be
close to the Capricornus-Aquarius border.
Apart from viewing a reddish ball, there is little else that you can
decipher with the naked eye. But remember that what you are seeing is
probably the best view of Mars you will ever get.
Mars will be visible till early morning. But over the night it will
move in the 'retrograde', that is from the east to the west.
On August 28, when Mars will be in opposition at 10:56 pm, it will be
fully lit and not gibbous. The average opposition occurs about every
two years, when Earth laps Mars on its orbit around the Sun. In 1995,
the opposition brought Mars 101.1 million kilometres from the Earth,
twice as far as this most recent approach.
Watching with instruments

You can use a powerful set of binoculars or telescope to see the
planet. A good telescope will afford you the luxury of seeing greater
detail on the planet, like the polar ice caps.
Ensure that the telescope is set up on a steady surface. Though Mars
rises around 7 pm, you cannot see much detail then even if you use a
telescope. It is best to wait for another 2 hours.
Once you spot the planet with the naked eye, point your telescope at
it and look for the polar ice caps. You can see a hint of it through
the telescope in the form of a white cloudy patch. Seen through a
modest aperture telescope, Mars will, at best, be visible as a marble
sized disk on which some dark markings can be made out.
Remember that it takes time for the eye to get accustomed to details.
So spend about 10 minutes watching the planet through the telescope
before you attempt discerning any surface details.
Once your eyes are tuned in and if you are using a high-quality 4- or
6-inch telescope you should be able to make out one or both of the
planet's tiny, white polar caps or at least the polar cloud hoods,
dark surface markings, occasional white clouds and, possibly, signs
of a moving dust storm!
If you don't own a good telescope

Special viewings of the planet have been arranged throughout India.

Mumbai: The Nehru Planetarium at Worli is organising viewings through
specially set up telescopes. The planetarium has arranged for four
telescopes on its premises and people can drop by anytime after 8.30
pm to take a peep. The viewings are for free and will continue till
September 2.

Apart from the planetarium, local amateur astronomers clubs like the
Akash Mitra in Kalyan and Khagol Mandal, which has various branches
throughout the city, have also arranged for viewings.

Bangalore: The Indian Institute of Astrophysics has organised a
special lecture on Mars on August 27 at 8 pm at the IIAP auditorium.
The lecture will be followed by viewings through 6-inch telescopes.

Chennai: Telescopes have been arranged at the Birla Planetarium. They
will be open for public viewing 8 pm onwards.

Delhi: The Nehru Planetarium at Teen Murti complex has special
screenings on the red planet. These are 45-minute documentaries being
shown at 5, 6 and 7 pm.

After 8 pm, five telescopes set up on the premises will be made
available to the public. The programme is called 'Public sky watch'.
The Amateur Astronomers Association of Delhi has organised the
viewings.

Other cities: Planetariums in almost all cities have organised
special viewings for August 27 and 28. Apart from them, a number of
amateur astronomers clubs are active. Details of them can be had from
the Confederation of Indian Amateur Astronomers.

Bio-Metrix ID System...


The concept of biometrics id card would involve scanning of thumb
or eyes or some body part of all the human being living in India and
as such would involve an operation of a massive scale until and unless
Governments makes it compulsory to do it in phased manner upto
each block and panchayat level.Another difficulty to be negotiated will be
link up identification data to a super computer and in case of a break-down
link it further with some setallite system to keep it operational round the
clock for every nook and corner of India. Card readers located at every point
cannot store huge national data in billions and would need some sort of
national hook up system so that a guy comming from Assam may find
entry door open for him automatically in Mumbai or Delhi after is ID is
cleared electronically from the national data base..

Even if this is accomplished, which by all means is a utopian task as a
simple system of manual ration card or a photo Id cards for voting too
remain incomplete becuse of our 'attitude' . Give India a scheme that
some other country can do it better for us may be we shall jump at it.
Who watches ' doordarshan' these days..? We were too tired and thought
foreign media to call in and report us our own news...So we have all others
but not "doordarshan"

We are called a soft state by other nations not because our Jawans give their
lives on borders without waging a valliant battle but because of our
'attitude'..
and our systems are too loose and corrupt to the core and never it is admitted
or adopted a national priority to tackle by the trash that sits in the
parliament.

Assuming for a minute that this scheme of Bio-metric id system is cleared next
step while drawing up the national budget will be how to siphon away a few
hundred
crores from this and inflate the cost for the nation. Show them the money for
them
out of a good project and I am sure BK  it may be accepted and implemented too,
though it will remain ineffective, I believe.

Ashok Sharma


Bharatkumar <bharatkumar007@...> wrote:
Sanju,

In India wat honest citizens says is never implemented,only
ministers and bureaucrats are the one who decide the fate of our
motherland.
If u decide to do it then also i bet my last watever i have that NO
Body Is Gooing To Give U Permission Nor No One Here Is Interested In
Improveing The Life Standard Of Indian People.

So Bro no point in talking about Citizens Identity Card!!!!!!!!!




Yaaro Ka Yaar Bk


--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., Sanjay Matkar
<kozak_vodka@y...> wrote:
> BK;
>
>
>
> I agree that many people in India will not want to give their
personal information to the Government, but I bet you my last dollar
that these are people who are doing illegal activities and dont want
to be caught.
>
> If the Biometric ID card offers you benefits like improved medical
care, relief from black market; ( like, not having to book your
train reservations 3 months in advance because agent capture block
seats for money and sell them in black markets; because House prices
are rising since people have many houses under benami names, etc.).
why would a honest and law abiding citizen of India not want these
ID cards?
>
> Yes, people woth criminal motives will object to it; and this
includes ministers and bureaucrats, because it will stop their
illegal and immoral activities. But the honest citizen has nothing
to fear because it will help to imporve the quality of life.
>
> Sanjay!
>
>
>
>
> Bharatkumar <bharatkumar007@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sanju,
> We all regret yesterdays trajic incident that shook Mumbai once
> again and our condolance to the vitcims familly members.
> I liked ur opinion about Citizens Identity Card ,it is really a
> good thing if it implemented in India.
> But the question is,Whether the Goverment or the Politicians like
> to pass this bill?
> Coz in my knowlege this issue about Citizens Identity Card was
rased
> by few cautious people but then these people are benumbed and have
> maintained a silence over years.
>
> Bro u must be haveing Social Security No in USA,it has all details
> abt an individual,if this system is implemented in India there
will
> be many who dunnot want to give out there details..........
>
> But i strongly feel tht all ppl living in Mumbai and Suburbs need
to
> have a Citizens Identity Cards ,tht will help in to keep check of
> inflow of ppl in Mumbai and also it will help our Scottland Yards
to
> keep check on terrorist like activity.
>
> BK
>
>
>
>
> --- In nationalistcongressparty@..., "Sanjay"
> wrote:
> > Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
> >
> > All of us are shocked at the Bomb-blasts that killed between 45
to
> 60
> > people yesterday in Mumbai and injured at least 200 hundred
> others.
> > The pyschological impact on our people and their children is
> > unmeasurable.
> >
> > This incident points out the cruel fact that India needs to
deploy
> > Citizens Identity Cards immediately and without any more delay.
> The
> > latest technology available in India will make the ID cards very
> > cheap and the use of Biometric cards will guarantee that they
> cannot
> > be forged by the commom criminals.
> >
> > Many Politicians will shout out against this proposal. That is
> > because they want and need the unidentified vote banks that are
> > required to stuff the ballot boxes with votes. It is time that
the
> > CITIZENS of India demanded that National ID cards be made
> mandatory.
> >
> > Teams of professionals in the Infotech industry have studied
this
> > issue over the last two three years, and the general consensus
is
> > that Biometric ID cards that cannot be tampered with or easily
> > duplicated will cost about Rs 100 per card to manufacture. The
> back
> > office infrastructure will cost between 100 to 150 crores over a
> > three stage implementation. What this will achieve is the
follows:
> >
> > 1) Every citizen of India will be identified by Name,
> fingerprints,
> > face photo and more importantly by Facial recognization software
> that
> > catches disguised faces.
> >
> > 2)The black market of everything in India, be it Train Tickets,
or
> > Benaami properties will immediately be traced and caught.
> >
> > 3) Corruption in Government will decline by at least 50%. The
> > government corruption is today dependent on Huge paper files
that
> > hide all the anomalities of the Government.
> >
> > 4)Most importantly, the Non-Citizens of India who enter
illegally
> > will be exposed since they cannot have access to the high
> technology
> > that is required to manufacture Biometric ID cards.
> >
> > In one swoop India can control crime as well as trace
undesirable
> > elements in society; thereby assuring the law abiding citizens
of
> > India a peaceful society.
> >
> > Sardar Sanjay Matkar.
>
>
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Sanju,

In India wat honest citizens says is never implemented,only
ministers and bureaucrats are the one who decide the fate of our
motherland.
If u decide to do it then also i bet my last watever i have that NO
Body Is Gooing To Give U Permission Nor No One Here Is Interested In
Improveing The Life Standard Of Indian People.

So Bro no point in talking about Citizens Identity Card!!!!!!!!!




Yaaro Ka Yaar Bk


--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., Sanjay Matkar
<kozak_vodka@y...> wrote:
> BK;
>
>
>
> I agree that many people in India will not want to give their
personal information to the Government, but I bet you my last dollar
that these are people who are doing illegal activities and dont want
to be caught.
>
> If the Biometric ID card offers you benefits like improved medical
care, relief from black market; ( like, not having to book your
train reservations 3 months in advance because agent capture block
seats for money and sell them in black markets; because House prices
are rising since people have many houses under benami names, etc.).
why would a honest and law abiding citizen of India not want these
ID cards?
>
> Yes, people woth criminal motives will object to it; and this
includes ministers and bureaucrats, because it will stop their
illegal and immoral activities. But the honest citizen has nothing
to fear because it will help to imporve the quality of life.
>
> Sanjay!
>
>
>
>
> Bharatkumar <bharatkumar007@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sanju,
> We all regret yesterdays trajic incident that shook Mumbai once
> again and our condolance to the vitcims familly members.
> I liked ur opinion about Citizens Identity Card ,it is really a
> good thing if it implemented in India.
> But the question is,Whether the Goverment or the Politicians like
> to pass this bill?
> Coz in my knowlege this issue about Citizens Identity Card was
rased
> by few cautious people but then these people are benumbed and have
> maintained a silence over years.
>
> Bro u must be haveing Social Security No in USA,it has all details
> abt an individual,if this system is implemented in India there
will
> be many who dunnot want to give out there details..........
>
> But i strongly feel tht all ppl living in Mumbai and Suburbs need
to
> have a Citizens Identity Cards ,tht will help in to keep check of
> inflow of ppl in Mumbai and also it will help our Scottland Yards
to
> keep check on terrorist like activity.
>
> BK
>
>
>
>
> --- In nationalistcongressparty@..., "Sanjay"
> wrote:
> > Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
> >
> > All of us are shocked at the Bomb-blasts that killed between 45
to
> 60
> > people yesterday in Mumbai and injured at least 200 hundred
> others.
> > The pyschological impact on our people and their children is
> > unmeasurable.
> >
> > This incident points out the cruel fact that India needs to
deploy
> > Citizens Identity Cards immediately and without any more delay.
> The
> > latest technology available in India will make the ID cards very
> > cheap and the use of Biometric cards will guarantee that they
> cannot
> > be forged by the commom criminals.
> >
> > Many Politicians will shout out against this proposal. That is
> > because they want and need the unidentified vote banks that are
> > required to stuff the ballot boxes with votes. It is time that
the
> > CITIZENS of India demanded that National ID cards be made
> mandatory.
> >
> > Teams of professionals in the Infotech industry have studied
this
> > issue over the last two three years, and the general consensus
is
> > that Biometric ID cards that cannot be tampered with or easily
> > duplicated will cost about Rs 100 per card to manufacture. The
> back
> > office infrastructure will cost between 100 to 150 crores over a
> > three stage implementation. What this will achieve is the
follows:
> >
> > 1) Every citizen of India will be identified by Name,
> fingerprints,
> > face photo and more importantly by Facial recognization software
> that
> > catches disguised faces.
> >
> > 2)The black market of everything in India, be it Train Tickets,
or
> > Benaami properties will immediately be traced and caught.
> >
> > 3) Corruption in Government will decline by at least 50%. The
> > government corruption is today dependent on Huge paper files
that
> > hide all the anomalities of the Government.
> >
> > 4)Most importantly, the Non-Citizens of India who enter
illegally
> > will be exposed since they cannot have access to the high
> technology
> > that is required to manufacture Biometric ID cards.
> >
> > In one swoop India can control crime as well as trace
undesirable
> > elements in society; thereby assuring the law abiding citizens
of
> > India a peaceful society.
> >
> > Sardar Sanjay Matkar.
>
>
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PRINT AND TV MEDIA – beware of this dangerous enemy...!

It is amazing how with all this threat of non stop loss of lives in India
through reported ' terrorist attacks and bomb blasts in Indian cities' that has
taken thousands of innocent lives during past few years and expected to continue
making civil society live under a constant fear of uncertainity, the media, as
if under a spell or bewitched, refuses to move out of the rut. It would not move
to play the monster down.

Is it not obligatory for media to point out and expose the stuff and dirty games
of governments and its inefficiency and failure of entire intelligence machinery
in apprehending culprits proving its social responsibility to expose all
fallacies, remove distempers of society and bring to light that which is good
for the society.

Media refuses to take up the issue in repeated national telecasts to grill the
government on why, why they have not been able to apprehend the culprits till
now within our own country. You see the statistics and would wonder theat in
hundreds of such attacks causing thousands of innocent lives our intelligence
agencies or police have been able to restore public trust by showing that they
were able to solve a few cases. It is very easy to say such and such 'seems to
be a handiwork of..this  or  that  group...' and close the investigations there.
May be some others are involved but focus never goes there and the whole things
is ever wraped in a mysterious government statements. Take the case of Veerappan
who is very much in a few hundred kilometers doing abductions and killings at
his choice. Entire security system machinery of my country have not been able to
apprehend him till now and they look beyond borders to Gulf country contacts
talk of Interpol and passing on and sharing
  intelligence information with US and or other countries and thing that the
matter ends here.  It will be interesting to document the records of bomb blasts
and ' so called terrorist attacks' and compare with what they have been able to
deliver as results. Media moves forward to catch other sensations for its
roaring trade and so are the people in slumber who are so addict to watch day
and night the juglery going on the screens of TV. What is Media focusing on..?
What was the fate of trials and ultimate results people do not know about this.

Mostly all matters remain shrouded in a ominious mist and media makes people
forget the past and let people know what happened..In a situation like this is
it not justified for Indian people to question that  " Are they not been staged
by government and or intelligence agencies themselves..to achieve some larger 
hidden objectives or to make public opinion as their bosses want..? And in our
current case of Mumbai blasts there is a name of a new group so there will be
reasons for goverment to play around for
some time till it fades a little from the momory of the nation.

You may call me 'crazy' but there are others too whom i quite offen come across
and they are also wondering as to what is happening.!

Now good and honest reporting of what is critical and urgent issue for India has
to first suit the choice and policy of the media. The availability of time and
leisure of the editors and chiefs so that it should not interfere in what they
wish to do at their own will and choice. We do not know how would they react to
a certain situation that may arise for many considerations shall come between
what can be done and should be done and what they choose to do.

Media has become a sly autonomous body which is too prone to criticise the world
but resents the least aspersion on its own integrity. Too autocratic now to be a
safe companion for us. Is it not ?

Ashok Sharma




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BK;



I agree that many people in India will not want to give their personal
information to the Government, but I bet you my last dollar that these are
people who are doing illegal activities and dont want to be caught.

If the Biometric ID card offers you benefits like improved medical care, relief
from black market; ( like, not having to book your train reservations 3 months
in advance because agent capture block seats for money and sell them in black
markets; because House prices are rising since people have many houses under
benami names, etc.). why would a honest and law abiding citizen of India not
want these ID cards?

Yes, people woth criminal motives will object to it; and this includes ministers
and bureaucrats, because it will stop their illegal and immoral activities. But
the honest citizen has nothing to fear because it will help to imporve the
quality of life.

Sanjay!




Bharatkumar <bharatkumar007@...> wrote:

Dear Sanju,
We all regret yesterdays trajic incident that shook Mumbai once
again and our condolance to the vitcims familly members.
I liked ur opinion about Citizens Identity Card ,it is really a
good thing if it implemented in India.
But the question is,Whether the Goverment or the Politicians like
to pass this bill?
Coz in my knowlege this issue about Citizens Identity Card was rased
by few cautious people but then these people are benumbed and have
maintained a silence over years.

Bro u must be haveing Social Security No in USA,it has all details
abt an individual,if this system is implemented in India there will
be many who dunnot want to give out there details..........

But i strongly feel tht all ppl living in Mumbai and Suburbs need to
have a Citizens Identity Cards ,tht will help in to keep check of
inflow of ppl in Mumbai and also it will help our Scottland Yards to
keep check on terrorist like activity.

BK




--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., "Sanjay"
wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> All of us are shocked at the Bomb-blasts that killed between 45 to
60
> people yesterday in Mumbai and injured at least 200 hundred
others.
> The pyschological impact on our people and their children is
> unmeasurable.
>
> This incident points out the cruel fact that India needs to deploy
> Citizens Identity Cards immediately and without any more delay.
The
> latest technology available in India will make the ID cards very
> cheap and the use of Biometric cards will guarantee that they
cannot
> be forged by the commom criminals.
>
> Many Politicians will shout out against this proposal. That is
> because they want and need the unidentified vote banks that are
> required to stuff the ballot boxes with votes. It is time that the
> CITIZENS of India demanded that National ID cards be made
mandatory.
>
> Teams of professionals in the Infotech industry have studied this
> issue over the last two three years, and the general consensus is
> that Biometric ID cards that cannot be tampered with or easily
> duplicated will cost about Rs 100 per card to manufacture. The
back
> office infrastructure will cost between 100 to 150 crores over a
> three stage implementation. What this will achieve is the follows:
>
> 1) Every citizen of India will be identified by Name,
fingerprints,
> face photo and more importantly by Facial recognization software
that
> catches disguised faces.
>
> 2)The black market of everything in India, be it Train Tickets, or
> Benaami properties will immediately be traced and caught.
>
> 3) Corruption in Government will decline by at least 50%. The
> government corruption is today dependent on Huge paper files that
> hide all the anomalities of the Government.
>
> 4)Most importantly, the Non-Citizens of India who enter illegally
> will be exposed since they cannot have access to the high
technology
> that is required to manufacture Biometric ID cards.
>
> In one swoop India can control crime as well as trace undesirable
> elements in society; thereby assuring the law abiding citizens of
> India a peaceful society.
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar.


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Dear Ashok Bhai,
  Hope ur in good health,I read ur letter  it was really sad that
media is side tracking Indian ppl.
But we cannot blame the entire media,there are some ppl who have
still not sold there ethics and principals to name a few tht comes
to my mind is ZEE.
Has any one seen the Inside Story,wat a real truth,and truth to the
core,i recommend all members to see it.
Agony of India

BharatKumar S Bhandary(Bk)


--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., GALAXICINDIAN
<galaxicindian@y...> wrote:
> Dear Suriz,
>
> It is  Time to Bycott TV  Media: Commercial and corrupt to the
core...
>
>
> Good that this information is posted to the list for those who
> could not watch this Sad and STAGED episode from NDTV.
>
> Now the question that arises here for the viewers in India is :-
>
> Knowing very well that the print and specially  visual media in
> the country has become a commodity for those who pay the
> price and Media dances to their tunes of its masters not to report
> the facts as they happen but to project the picture as they are
> asked to do. The highest talent and the best brain running the
> success of the business organization like public communication
> have only one thing in their mind- how to carry on the dictate of
> their masters like Vikram Chandra did in this BBC relayed program.
>
> Commercialization of news media in our country has been a
> biggest mistake of our times and is proving fatal to the societies.
>
> It is high time that those who have done it realize and try to
correct
> before it is too late. Nation has already paid a very heavy price.
>
> Those who have understood the game media is playing in this country
> are wisely moving away from it and bycott  watching such sponsored
> puppetry shows on their screens that does't not report the facts
as they
> happen or project something with a focus to attain a healthy
change in
> the communities but carries on the dictates of its black agenda
masters
> and owners who can be traced back with their roots in large
corporate sector
> and industry owners who have a hidden purpose to achieve and are
in league
> with really big industry tycoons. Trash is being provided to us
and we are
> happily busy watching this rapt attention this illusive play.
>
> What is even more surprizing that knowing well as Omar Abdullah
> felt that the audience in program is not representative of actual
valley
> and aware of the fact that the program will be relayed across the
world-
> why, why they come smiling to strut and dance to such staged shows
> that are conceived with ill intentions and with a specific and
planned
> objective to achieve.??  A few stupid questions being asked from
the
> chosen audience who are provided answers before the show, a few
> commercial breaks and these sadly good looking anchors are not able
> to hide the poverty of their conscience and stand exposed. The
> talent of producers and editors is available for sale in the
market and
> they are on sale with a price tag to become no less than a whilte-
> collared " Bandhua Mazdoor " for their masters.
>
> Is it not time for audience to bycott such biased media that has
sold
> its priciples to the commercial winds and forgotton its social
role and
> relays itself through grossly incompetent people with rest of India
> watching numb a  show of "Madariwala and dancing Monkey" every
> now and then.....?
>
>
> Ashok Sharma
> Mahabharat Nirman
>
>
> suriz <surinder54321@y...> wrote:
>
> How NDTV gave away Kashmir (on TV)
> - By Seema Mustafa
>
>
> New Delhi, Aug. 23: The popular Question Time India produced by
NDTV and telecast over BBC on Friday night used a select audience as
a representative audience to give the impression that the Kashmiris
wanted independence through a plebiscite.
>
> The anchor, Vikram Chandra, repeatedly put leading questions to
the small audience, drawn largely from urban Srinagar through
special invites, asking them to raise hands on highly sensitive
questions ranging from independence to pinpointing the government —
India, Pakistan or the leadership in Kashmir — responsible for the
trouble in the Valley.
>
> This episode of Question Time India was recorded in Srinagar. The
panel was largely outvoted by the belligerent audience with Jammu
and Kashmir chief minister Mufti Muhammad Sayeed steering a cautious
course, People's Conference leader Sajjad Lone appearing more as the
man in between two opposing sides, BJP state president Dr Nirmal
Singh unable to contribute significantly and the Vice-Chancellor of
Jammu University, Dr Amitabh Mattoo, not his usual articulate self.
In fact, it was left to National Conference leader Omar Abdullah to
point out that the audience in the room was not representative of
Jammu and Kashmir, and that he had found that those in rural Kashmir
were more concerned about their day to day life than about
independence per se.
>
> The programme was highly volatile and if it had been produced by
the BBC, it would have elicited strong remarks from the government
of India. At one stage the anchor, for instance, conducted a spot
poll, as has now become the custom in all television talk shows,
asking the audience to identify who was responsible for the Kashmir
problem. "Is it India," he asked and the entire audience raised its
hands. "Is it the leadership of Kashmir," and more than half raised
their hands. "Is it Pakistan," and only a handful of persons raised
their hands, perhaps
>
> just eight, and after looking around most of them lowered their
hands. Mr Omar Abdullah told The Asian Age that these kind of
programmes gave the wrong impression, and that obviously there had
been no effort to bring a moderate and more representative opinion
into the audience. He said that he was not against such snap polls
provided the audience was drawn scientifically to constitute a
sample representing the entire state and all sections of opinion
within. The entire programme gave the impression that there was one,
a Kashmir problem; two, it was not created by Pakistan but by India;
and three, that plebiscite and independence were the only solutions.
It also sought to stress the supposed preoccupation of the Kashmiris
with independence with little being said about the other issues
affecting the entire state. As Mr Abdullah pointed out, "Even the
chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir will not mention Pakistan as a
source of the trouble in the Valley for obvious reasons, so how could
>  they have expected the audience to say so?"
>
> Question Time India on Friday, part of a special series, did raise
questions about television talk shows where select audiences are
asked to vote on issues of national import, with the projection that
this somehow represents the general point of view. It is a dangerous
trend, particularly when issues like Kashmir, communalism and
national integration are being put up for quick votes. Questions
like "Those who want independence for Kashmir please raise your
hands" legitimise select responses that might or might not reflect
the true situation on the ground. As Mr Omar Abdullah said, this can
send out a "terrible message," particularly when the programme, as
in this particular case, reaches a wide, international audience that
includes Pakistan.
>
> Srinagar is not representative of the entire Valley. It might be
recalled that the call by the All Parties Hurriyat Conference to
boycott the Assembly elections was effective in Srinagar, which
registered very low polling. However, areas outside the capital
witnessed moderate to heavy polling, with the people making it clear
that they wanted a government that was responsive to their needs and
aspirations. The villagers defied the threat from the militants and
came out to vote, taking active part in election meetings and
campaigns in several constituencies despite the continuing terror
attacks.
>
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Dear Sanju,
  We all regret yesterdays trajic incident that shook Mumbai once
again  and our condolance to the vitcims familly members.
  I liked ur opinion about Citizens Identity Card ,it is really a
good thing if it implemented in India.
  But the question is,Whether the Goverment or the Politicians like
to pass this bill?
Coz in my knowlege this issue about Citizens Identity Card was rased
by few cautious people but then these people are benumbed and have
maintained a silence over years.

Bro u must be haveing Social Security No in USA,it has all details
abt an individual,if this system is implemented in India there will
be many who dunnot want to give out there details..........

But i strongly feel tht all ppl living in Mumbai and Suburbs need to
have a Citizens Identity Cards ,tht will help in to keep check of
inflow of ppl in Mumbai and also it will help our Scottland Yards to
keep check on terrorist like activity.

BK




--- In nationalistcongressparty@..., "Sanjay"
<kozak_vodka@y...> wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> All of us are shocked at the Bomb-blasts that killed between 45 to
60
> people yesterday in Mumbai and injured at least 200 hundred
others.
> The pyschological impact on our people and their children is
> unmeasurable.
>
> This incident points out the cruel fact that India needs to deploy
> Citizens Identity Cards immediately and without any more delay.
The
> latest technology available in India will make the ID cards very
> cheap and the use of Biometric cards will guarantee that they
cannot
> be forged by the commom criminals.
>
> Many Politicians will shout out against this proposal. That is
> because they want and need the unidentified vote banks that are
> required to stuff the ballot boxes with votes. It is time that the
> CITIZENS of India demanded that National ID cards be made
mandatory.
>
> Teams of professionals in the Infotech industry have studied this
> issue over the last two three years, and the general consensus is
> that Biometric ID cards that cannot be tampered with or easily
> duplicated will cost about Rs 100 per card to manufacture. The
back
> office infrastructure will cost between 100 to 150 crores over a
> three stage implementation. What this will achieve is the follows:
>
> 1) Every citizen of India will be identified by Name,
fingerprints,
> face photo and more importantly by Facial recognization software
that
> catches disguised faces.
>
> 2)The black market of everything in India, be it Train Tickets, or
> Benaami properties will immediately be traced and caught.
>
> 3) Corruption in Government will decline by at least 50%. The
> government corruption is today dependent on Huge paper files that
> hide all the anomalities of the Government.
>
> 4)Most importantly, the Non-Citizens of India who enter illegally
> will be exposed since they cannot have access to the high
technology
> that is required to manufacture Biometric ID cards.
>
> In one swoop India can control crime as well as trace undesirable
> elements in society; thereby assuring the law abiding citizens of
> India a peaceful society.
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar.

Friends, Indians, Countrymen;

All of us are shocked at the Bomb-blasts that killed between 45 to 60
people yesterday in Mumbai and injured at least 200 hundred others.
The pyschological impact on our people and their children is
unmeasurable.

This incident points out the cruel fact that India needs to deploy
Citizens Identity Cards immediately and without any more delay. The
latest technology available in India will make the ID cards very
cheap and the use of Biometric cards will guarantee that they cannot
be forged by the commom criminals.

Many Politicians will shout out against this proposal. That is
because they want and need the unidentified vote banks that are
required to stuff the ballot boxes with votes. It is time that the
CITIZENS of India demanded that National ID cards be made mandatory.

Teams of professionals in the Infotech industry have studied this
issue over the last two three years, and the general consensus is
that Biometric ID cards that cannot be tampered with or easily
duplicated will cost about Rs 100 per card to manufacture. The back
office infrastructure will cost between 100 to 150 crores over a
three stage implementation. What this will achieve is the follows:

1) Every citizen of India will be identified by Name, fingerprints,
face photo and more importantly by Facial recognization software that
catches disguised faces.

2)The black market of everything in India, be it Train Tickets, or
Benaami properties will immediately be traced and caught.

3) Corruption in Government will decline by at least 50%. The
government corruption is today dependent on Huge paper files that
hide all the anomalities of the Government.

4)Most importantly, the Non-Citizens of India who enter illegally
will be exposed since they cannot have access to the high technology
that is required to manufacture Biometric ID cards.

In one swoop India can control crime as well as trace undesirable
elements in society; thereby assuring the law abiding citizens of
India a peaceful society.

Sardar Sanjay Matkar.

Hello Ashok;

I have read with interest both the article by Seema Mustafa and your reaction to
it.

While I do agree with you in your opinion that the media is getting more and
more reckless, in the sense that they have lost their sense of responsibility as
the 5th Estate, for every media company like NDTV there is a media person like
Ms.Mustafa that tells the facts as they stand.

We cannot overlook the fact the freedom of Speech is very necessary for a
democracy to survive and grow. Many people misuse this freedom for personal
gains, for whatever purpose that they find more important.

We have to raise our voices against that practise, but we also have to allow
them the freedom to make utter fools of themselves.

In the USA, the FOX network is as big as CNN, yet they have no credibility due
to their right wing "White is Might" approach. As we say in the Democratic party
circles.. " We know that Fox is lying because the news casters are moving their
lips".

I would advise that we have to make our views known and fight the fight with
facts.

Sanjay Matkar


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From: GALAXICINDIAN
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nationalist Congress Party] Re: [voiceofindiagroup] Time to Bycott TV
Media:Commercial and corrupt to the core

Dear Suriz,

It is Time to Bycott TV Media: Commercial and corrupt to the core...


Good that this information is posted to the list for those who
could not watch this Sad and STAGED episode from NDTV.

Now the question that arises here for the viewers in India is :-

Knowing very well that the print and specially visual media in
the country has become a commodity for those who pay the
price and Media dances to their tunes of its masters not to report
the facts as they happen but to project the picture as they are
asked to do. The highest talent and the best brain running the
success of the business organization like public communication
have only one thing in their mind- how to carry on the dictate of
their masters like Vikram Chandra did in this BBC relayed program.

Commercialization of news media in our country has been a
biggest mistake of our times and is proving fatal to the societies.

It is high time that those who have done it realize and try to correct
before it is too late. Nation has already paid a very heavy price.

Those who have understood the game media is playing in this country
are wisely moving away from it and bycott watching such sponsored
puppetry shows on their screens that does't not report the facts as they
happen or project something with a focus to attain a healthy change in
the communities but carries on the dictates of its black agenda masters
and owners who can be traced back with their roots in large corporate sector
and industry owners who have a hidden purpose to achieve and are in league
with really big industry tycoons. Trash is being provided to us and we are
happily busy watching this rapt attention this illusive play.

What is even more surprizing that knowing well as Omar Abdullah
felt that the audience in program is not representative of actual valley
and aware of the fact that the program will be relayed across the world-
why, why they come smiling to strut and dance to such staged shows
that are conceived with ill intentions and with a specific and planned
objective to achieve.?? A few stupid questions being asked from the
chosen audience who are provided answers before the show, a few
commercial breaks and these sadly good looking anchors are not able
to hide the poverty of their conscience and stand exposed. The
talent of producers and editors is available for sale in the market and
they are on sale with a price tag to become no less than a whilte-
collared " Bandhua Mazdoor " for their masters.

Is it not time for audience to bycott such biased media that has sold
its priciples to the commercial winds and forgotton its social role and
relays itself through grossly incompetent people with rest of India
watching numb a show of "Madariwala and dancing Monkey" every
now and then.....?


Ashok Sharma
Mahabharat Nirman


suriz wrote:

How NDTV gave away Kashmir (on TV)
- By Seema Mustafa


New Delhi, Aug. 23: The popular Question Time India produced by NDTV and
telecast over BBC on Friday night used a select audience as a representative
audience to give the impression that the Kashmiris wanted independence through a
plebiscite.

The anchor, Vikram Chandra, repeatedly put leading questions to the small
audience, drawn largely from urban Srinagar through special invites, asking them
to raise hands on highly sensitive questions ranging from independence to
pinpointing the government — India, Pakistan or the leadership in Kashmir —
responsible for the trouble in the Valley.

This episode of Question Time India was recorded in Srinagar. The panel was
largely outvoted by the belligerent audience with Jammu and Kashmir chief
minister Mufti Muhammad Sayeed steering a cautious course, People’s Conference
leader Sajjad Lone appearing more as the man in between two opposing sides, BJP
state president Dr Nirmal Singh unable to contribute significantly and the
Vice-Chancellor of Jammu University, Dr Amitabh Mattoo, not his usual articulate
self. In fact, it was left to National Conference leader Omar Abdullah to point
out that the audience in the room was not representative of Jammu and Kashmir,
and that he had found that those in rural Kashmir were more concerned about
their day to day life than about independence per se.

The programme was highly volatile and if it had been produced by the BBC, it
would have elicited strong remarks from the government of India. At one stage
the anchor, for instance, conducted a spot poll, as has now become the custom in
all television talk shows, asking the audience to identify who was responsible
for the Kashmir problem. "Is it India," he asked and the entire audience raised
its hands. "Is it the leadership of Kashmir," and more than half raised their
hands. "Is it Pakistan," and only a handful of persons raised their hands,
perhaps

just eight, and after looking around most of them lowered their hands. Mr Omar
Abdullah told The Asian Age that these kind of programmes gave the wrong
impression, and that obviously there had been no effort to bring a moderate and
more representative opinion into the audience. He said that he was not against
such snap polls provided the audience was drawn scientifically to constitute a
sample representing the entire state and all sections of opinion within. The
entire programme gave the impression that there was one, a Kashmir problem; two,
it was not created by Pakistan but by India; and three, that plebiscite and
independence were the only solutions. It also sought to stress the supposed
preoccupation of the Kashmiris with independence with little being said about
the other issues affecting the entire state. As Mr Abdullah pointed out, "Even
the chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir will not mention Pakistan as a source of
the trouble in the Valley for obvious reasons, so how could
they have expected the audience to say so?"

Question Time India on Friday, part of a special series, did raise questions
about television talk shows where select audiences are asked to vote on issues
of national import, with the projection that this somehow represents the general
point of view. It is a dangerous trend, particularly when issues like Kashmir,
communalism and national integration are being put up for quick votes. Questions
like "Those who want independence for Kashmir please raise your hands"
legitimise select responses that might or might not reflect the true situation
on the ground. As Mr Omar Abdullah said, this can send out a "terrible message,"
particularly when the programme, as in this particular case, reaches a wide,
international audience that includes Pakistan.

Srinagar is not representative of the entire Valley. It might be recalled that
the call by the All Parties Hurriyat Conference to boycott the Assembly
elections was effective in Srinagar, which registered very low polling. However,
areas outside the capital witnessed moderate to heavy polling, with the people
making it clear that they wanted a government that was responsive to their needs
and aspirations. The villagers defied the threat from the militants and came out
to vote, taking active part in election meetings and campaigns in several
constituencies despite the continuing terror attacks.



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Dear Suriz,

It is  Time to Bycott TV  Media: Commercial and corrupt to the core...


Good that this information is posted to the list for those who
could not watch this Sad and STAGED episode from NDTV.

Now the question that arises here for the viewers in India is :-

Knowing very well that the print and specially  visual media in
the country has become a commodity for those who pay the
price and Media dances to their tunes of its masters not to report
the facts as they happen but to project the picture as they are
asked to do. The highest talent and the best brain running the
success of the business organization like public communication
have only one thing in their mind- how to carry on the dictate of
their masters like Vikram Chandra did in this BBC relayed program.

Commercialization of news media in our country has been a
biggest mistake of our times and is proving fatal to the societies.

It is high time that those who have done it realize and try to correct
before it is too late. Nation has already paid a very heavy price.

Those who have understood the game media is playing in this country
are wisely moving away from it and bycott  watching such sponsored
puppetry shows on their screens that does't not report the facts as they
happen or project something with a focus to attain a healthy change in
the communities but carries on the dictates of its black agenda masters
and owners who can be traced back with their roots in large corporate sector
and industry owners who have a hidden purpose to achieve and are in league
with really big industry tycoons. Trash is being provided to us and we are
happily busy watching this rapt attention this illusive play.

What is even more surprizing that knowing well as Omar Abdullah
felt that the audience in program is not representative of actual valley
and aware of the fact that the program will be relayed across the world-
why, why they come smiling to strut and dance to such staged shows
that are conceived with ill intentions and with a specific and planned
objective to achieve.??  A few stupid questions being asked from the
chosen audience who are provided answers before the show, a few
commercial breaks and these sadly good looking anchors are not able
to hide the poverty of their conscience and stand exposed. The
talent of producers and editors is available for sale in the market and
they are on sale with a price tag to become no less than a whilte-
collared " Bandhua Mazdoor " for their masters.

Is it not time for audience to bycott such biased media that has sold
its priciples to the commercial winds and forgotton its social role and
relays itself through grossly incompetent people with rest of India
watching numb a  show of "Madariwala and dancing Monkey" every
now and then.....?


Ashok Sharma
Mahabharat Nirman


suriz <surinder54321@...> wrote:

How NDTV gave away Kashmir (on TV)
- By Seema Mustafa


New Delhi, Aug. 23: The popular Question Time India produced by NDTV and
telecast over BBC on Friday night used a select audience as a representative
audience to give the impression that the Kashmiris wanted independence through a
plebiscite.

The anchor, Vikram Chandra, repeatedly put leading questions to the small
audience, drawn largely from urban Srinagar through special invites, asking them
to raise hands on highly sensitive questions ranging from independence to
pinpointing the government — India, Pakistan or the leadership in Kashmir —
responsible for the trouble in the Valley.

This episode of Question Time India was recorded in Srinagar. The panel was
largely outvoted by the belligerent audience with Jammu and Kashmir chief
minister Mufti Muhammad Sayeed steering a cautious course, People’s Conference
leader Sajjad Lone appearing more as the man in between two opposing sides, BJP
state president Dr Nirmal Singh unable to contribute significantly and the
Vice-Chancellor of Jammu University, Dr Amitabh Mattoo, not his usual articulate
self. In fact, it was left to National Conference leader Omar Abdullah to point
out that the audience in the room was not representative of Jammu and Kashmir,
and that he had found that those in rural Kashmir were more concerned about
their day to day life than about independence per se.

The programme was highly volatile and if it had been produced by the BBC, it
would have elicited strong remarks from the government of India. At one stage
the anchor, for instance, conducted a spot poll, as has now become the custom in
all television talk shows, asking the audience to identify who was responsible
for the Kashmir problem. "Is it India," he asked and the entire audience raised
its hands. "Is it the leadership of Kashmir," and more than half raised their
hands. "Is it Pakistan," and only a handful of persons raised their hands,
perhaps

just eight, and after looking around most of them lowered their hands. Mr Omar
Abdullah told The Asian Age that these kind of programmes gave the wrong
impression, and that obviously there had been no effort to bring a moderate and
more representative opinion into the audience. He said that he was not against
such snap polls provided the audience was drawn scientifically to constitute a
sample representing the entire state and all sections of opinion within. The
entire programme gave the impression that there was one, a Kashmir problem; two,
it was not created by Pakistan but by India; and three, that plebiscite and
independence were the only solutions. It also sought to stress the supposed
preoccupation of the Kashmiris with independence with little being said about
the other issues affecting the entire state. As Mr Abdullah pointed out, "Even
the chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir will not mention Pakistan as a source of
the trouble in the Valley for obvious reasons, so how could
  they have expected the audience to say so?"

Question Time India on Friday, part of a special series, did raise questions
about television talk shows where select audiences are asked to vote on issues
of national import, with the projection that this somehow represents the general
point of view. It is a dangerous trend, particularly when issues like Kashmir,
communalism and national integration are being put up for quick votes. Questions
like "Those who want independence for Kashmir please raise your hands"
legitimise select responses that might or might not reflect the true situation
on the ground. As Mr Omar Abdullah said, this can send out a "terrible message,"
particularly when the programme, as in this particular case, reaches a wide,
international audience that includes Pakistan.

Srinagar is not representative of the entire Valley. It might be recalled that
the call by the All Parties Hurriyat Conference to boycott the Assembly
elections was effective in Srinagar, which registered very low polling. However,
areas outside the capital witnessed moderate to heavy polling, with the people
making it clear that they wanted a government that was responsive to their needs
and aspirations. The villagers defied the threat from the militants and came out
to vote, taking active part in election meetings and campaigns in several
constituencies despite the continuing terror attacks.



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