The divide in the Mumbai Congress was evident with Mumbai Congress
chief Gurudas Kamat organising a morcha to Raj Bhavan and Minister of
State for Home Kripashankar Singh leading another morcha to the
collectorate.
Both camps had the same agenda — highlighting the failures of the BJP-
led NDA government at the Centre and asking for its dismissal. Both
groups claimed the rival camp's morcha had flopped.
After Kamat was appointed, Congressmen MP Sunil Dutt and Murli Deora
had a tiff with him. Several ministers, MLAs and corporators went
against him after a new committee for the Mumbai Congress was
appointed.
Kamat claimed he had legislators Sohail Ashraf, Suresh Shetty, Sayyed
Ahmed, Sudha Joshi, Hussain Dalwai, Dr M A Aziz, PCC president Ranjit
Deshmukh and minister Patangrao Kadam in his morcha from August
Kranti Maidan to Raj Bhavan.
Kamat was very vocal in his protest about the Congress divide. He
said, "The committee blessed by Sonia Gandhi received public support
today and had over one lakh people in the morcha.
We gave the governor a letter addressed to the President. Pressure
politics in the Congress has never paid dividends to anyone. And
elected representatives who have called on the Congress president
with their grievances should leave the matter to her rather than
making a public spectacle of themselves and damaging the party's
image."
"The huge turnout for the official rally has given a clear-cut
message to these representatives who are what they are mainly because
of the Congress president and Congress workers," he added.
As Sunil Dutt was abroad, his morcha was led by Kripashankar Singh.
Their camp alleged that Kamat had closed down factories in Thane,
Navi Mumbai and Kalyan to bring workers for the morcha. Singh said he
had MLAs from Mumbai — Naseem Khan, Eknath Gaikwad, Madhu Chavan,
Baba Siddique, Baldev Khosa, Janardhan Chandurkar, P U Mehta — and 47
corporators.
Reacting to Kamat's statement, Singh said, "Let him say whatever he
wants. Kamat claimed AICC general secretary of Maharashtra affairs,
Vyalar Ravi, would participate in his morcha, but he didn't show up."
Congress sources said Minister of State for Medical Education Suresh
Shetty wanted to play safe and attended both morchas.
Mid Day
Received from Mitch- Earth Change TV
Could the events we have seen in India and New Orleans be a "chip off the old
block"?
2001 YB5's brightness suggests it is a rocky body about 300 meters across. If it
struck the Earth a 300-meter object would
not be a global killer: to wipe all life off the face of our planet an object
would have to be about 1 km in size. But 300 meters is more than enough to cause
widespread devastation.
If it struck land, it would wipe out an entire country. If the impact point were
London, then scientists estimate there would be
total devastation for 150 km and severe destruction for a further 800 km,
meaning that not only would the UK be destroyed but France and the Low Countries
as well. If it struck the ocean, the destruction would be more widespread. It
would trigger tsunamis that would devastate most coastal cities.
According to experts, the recent discovery and close approach of 2001 YB5
suggests that something nasty could creep up on us at any time. Dr Benny Peiser
of Liverpool John Moores University, UK, told BBC News Online: "The fact that
this object was discovered less than a month ago leads to the question of if we
would have had enough time to do anything about it had it been on a collision
course with us.
"Of course the answer is no; there is nothing we could have done about it. It
is a reminder of the objects that are out there. It is a reminder of what is
going to happen unless we track them more efficiently than we do and make better
preparations to defend our planet," says Dr Peiser.
Stunning Update to India's Meteor Blast
Bhubaneswar, India - The search for the remnants of the huge meteorite which
sped across the sky in the coastal Orissa last night continued today amid
reports of villagers in Kendrapara district stumbling upon two strange objects
this morning. While the object at Benakand a village was blown to smithereens,
the one at Paschima suniti weighing 5.7 kg was intact. The "ball of fire",
described by scientists as a meteorite, streaked across the sky from west to
east before landing on a thatched house at about 6.30 p.m. yesterday and was
witnessed by the people in at least 11 districts in the coastal belt.
One dies... One of the 11 persons admitted to hospitals in Kendrapara, Jajpur
and Mayurbhanj districts after witnessing the spectacle died in the SCB Medical
College Hospital at Cuttack today. Sukadeb Singh age 75, who along with two
others, had been shifted from Kendrapara hospital to Cuttack, died this morning.
Five persons, including three from one family, were admitted to hospitals in
three different places of Jajpur district while three others were hospitalized
at Kaptipada in Mayurbhanj district.
The three persons, who fell unconscious after the incident, were recovering in
the Kaptipada Hospital. A 75-year-old man, Harekrushna Behera, complained that
he had lost his vision after seeing the fire. In Kolkata, M.P. Brila Planetarium
clarified that the small streak of luminous yellow light which turned to orange
and finally brilliant blue before disappearing from the sky was a typical
meteorite, though it came a wee bit closer to the earth than the normal ones. It
was a normal cosmic phenomenon and had nothing to do with the tidal ebb.
Ashok Sharma
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BJP-Shiv Sena candidate Pratapsinh Mohite-Patil today won the Solapur
Lok Sabha by-poll by defeating his nearest rival Anandrao Devkate of
Congress by 1,22,817 votes.
President of BJP's Maharashtra unit Gopinath Munde has demanded
dissolution of the state assembly and holding of fresh elections
along with four states in the wake of the defeat.
The Congress-NCP alliance has lost people's mandate and the right to
continue in office, Munde told reporters.
The victory of BJP-Shiv Sena candidate Pratapsinh Mohite-Patil by an
unprecedented margin was historic, he said.
Meanwhile, in Mumbai leader of opposition in state assembly Narayan
Rane also demanded resignation of the DF government on moral grounds.
He said it is Chief Minister Sushilkumar Shinde's hometown and
reflects on the performance of the government and shows that people
of the state have rejected his inept regime.
Narendra Verma, President of Nationalist Youth Congress, Mumbai, on
the state government's decision to play the national anthem in
theatres across the state.
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After Mumbai, it's now cinema halls across the state?
It's a very good decision. The government has seen the overwhelming
response to the national anthem in Mumbai theatres and decided on
this.
But there have been cases where cinemagoers refuse to stand.
There is a little confusion at times because people are not sure
when the national anthem is about to begin. To sort that out, we are
in the process of making a promo where Bollywood personalities will
invite people to stand up. About the very few who refuse to stand,
that mentality has to change and it will gradually.
Does one have to display one's patriotism in this manner?
We are not imposing anything. Every citizen has a responsibility
towards the nation. Today, when terrorism is raising its ugly head,
we need to generate strong, responsible, patriotic feelings. About
display, yes, it is necessary because out of sight is out of mind.
Is this whole campaign a political stunt?
Absolutely not. Because when I initiated the campaign, it was
welcomed by all parties. We didn't try to get political mileage out
of it.
Now, you are looking to take it to cinema halls across the country.
Our delegation will meet the President, submitting a memorandum
asking for this to be implemented all over India.
You're also talking of implementing it in Mumbai colleges.
Yes. We met with the Governor and Vice-Chancellor. It's in the
pipeline. It's got a little delayed but we are sure the decision
will come through soon.
Isn't there a worry that students may reject it?
The feedback we've got from theatre owners is that youth are very
charged up and that they want the instrumental to be replaced by
vocals in theatres so that they can sing. I'm sure they'll welcome
it in colleges.
Jai Hind Jai Rashtravadi
Bk
MUMBAI: Acting on a complaint from the Congress, the Nationalist
Congress Party (NCP) has sacked president of its Solapur district
unit Shankar Patil and 25 other activists for anti-party activities.
NCP spokesperson Vasant Chavan stated here on Thursday that Patil
was sacked for supporting the BJP candidate Pratapsinh Mohite Patil
who is contesting the Lok Sabha by-election from Solapur
constituency scheduled for Friday.
Dairy development minister Anandrao Deokate of the Congress is
pitted against Mohite Patil. The poll was necessitated by the
resignation of Sushilkumar Shinde following his appointment as chief
minister by the Congress high command. The election is being
projected by the opposition BJP-Sena combine as referendum on the
performance of the Democratic Front government led by Shinde.
Significantly, the BJP nominee is the brother of NCP minister
Vijaysinh Mohite-Patil.
Chavan said NCP president Sharad Pawar had asked three NCP
ministers from Solapur, Vijaysinh Mohite Patil, Dilip Sopal and
Laxman Dhoble and entire party unit in the district to work for the
Congress candidate. Since Shankar Patil and 25 others defied the
directive they were sacked.
Bk
Shillong, Sept 26: Terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden has been
funding jehadi training for raising suicide squads from among 25,000
youths including many from the Northeast in Bangladeshi madrasas,
senior NCP leader P A Sangma said here.
At least 421 madrasas in the neighbouring country were training
youths for the creation of suicide squads with funds given by the Al
Qaeda chief, Sangma, who is a vice-president of the South East Asian
forum against fundamentalism based in Dhaka, claimed while talking
to newspersons last evening quoting an 'authentic' report in his
possession.
The South East Asian forum which has Prof Shahryar Kavir, a noted
filmmaker of Bangladesh, as President have members from South Asian
countries, including Pakistan.
"If we cannot see this sitting next to the country, what are we here
for?" Sangma asked quoting from the report, which he said, was
published six months ago with the situation being still very
relevant.
Sangma, a former Lok Sabha speaker, also claimed that the number of
fundamentalists organisations in Bangladesh had grown by leaps and
bounds recently.
Pointing out that India has always been a shelter for minorities
from neighbouring countries when they faced problems on the
infiltration issue, Sangma said, "But we oppose those coming
illegally on a day-to-day basis."
Bk
DILIP CHAWARE
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2003 08:48:34 PM ]
MUMBAI: The Lok Sabha by-election in Solapur constituency on
September 26 is the first trial of strength between the Congress--led
Democratic Front (DF) and the BJP--Shiv Sena alliance after
Sushilkumar Shinde assumed chief ministership in January, 2003.
The outcome of the contest is also of considerable significance to
Shinde personally since he represented the constituency in Parliament
thrice in the past. The by-poll was necessitated by Shinde's
resignation from the Lok Sabha to head the state government.
The poll has become a veritable referendum on the performance of the
DF government. But the sub-text is that it is a subtle caste war
between the Marathas and the non-Marathas is on in the constituency.
The Congress nominee Anandrao Deokate belongs to the backward
`dhangar' community and he is being supported to the hilt by Shinde,
who is a dalit. The Hindutva combine has put up a blue blooded
Maratha, Pratapsinh Mohite-Patil, who is the brother of local sugar
baron and Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) minister Vijaysingh Mohite-
Patil.
The poll is also taking place in the background the communal riots
which rocked Solapur last October. Sources say that significant
communal polarisation has taken place in the area since the riots and
the Hindutva parties expect to benefit from this development.
That the parties concerned are attaching tremendous importance to the
poll can be gauged from the fact that their senior leaders are
repeatedly touring the constituency appealing for votes.
Apart from Shinde, other senior Congress leaders on the campaign
trail include Vilasrao Deshmuukh, Shivraj Patil and Vayalar Ravi. The
BJP-Sena combine has mobilised Venkiah Naidu, Pramod Mahajan, Uddhav
Thackeray and Gopinath Munde.
Even though a defeat will have an adverse impact on both the Congress
and the NCP, since both are major constituents of the DF coalition,
sources said that several activists of the NCP are not working for
Deokate.
In fact, the NCP leadership had to issue a show cause notice to its
Solapur district president Shankar Patil for working for Pratapsinh
Mohite-Patil. A sizable section of the entire Mohite-Patil clan,
which enjoys noteworthy clout in Solapur and has access to vast
resources, is backing the BJP-Sena alliance nominee.
The Sena, which has been somewhat soft in its criticism of Shinde,
appears to have changed its position. Uddhav Thackeray in his
speeches targeted Shinde and accused him of not doing anything for
the drought-hit people.
The Sena poll machinery is in full swing and is working in tandem
with the BJP cadres. For both Thackeray and Munde victory in the poll
will result in an important entry in their CVs.
The electorate has sizeable chunks of Muslim, Maratha, Padmasali
(Telugu--speaking), Lingayat and Dhangar voters. The proportion of
urban and rural voters is almost equal.
By: Shibu Thomas
September 24, 2003
Cyberspace users in India are up in arms against the government. For
the first time since the Information Technology Act, 2000, was
introduced, the government has banned a site, Yahoo Groups, for
publishing anti-government material. Many netizens believe the
government is trying to gag the Internet, a medium for free flow of
information.
On Monday, when Yahoo users tried to access Yahoo Groups, they got
error messages saying the site had been blocked. Neville
Taraporewala, who heads yahoo.com's India operations said, "We
received no communication from the government. We realised Yahoo
Groups had been blocked when users started calling us. On checking
with the Internet Service Providers (ISPs), we came to know the
government had told them to block the site."
The government move came stealthily. In a notification dated August
10, 2003, Jayant Kumar, director, DoT, asked ISPs to block
groups.yahoo.com/groups/kynhun for "promoting anti-national news and
containing material against the Government of India and the state
government of Meghalaya." The Kynhun Group, which has barely 25
members and a total of 20 messages, is run by an organisation called
Hynniewtrep International Liberation Council.
Though some of the messages call for independence, many of them are
about corruption, police brutality against minorities and lack of
public infrastructure.
A VSNL spokesperson said, "If the government issues a notification,
the ISPs have to fall in line." However, since the technology to
block a particular group is complicated, ISPs have completely blocked
access to the whole of Yahoo Groups.
Valerie Pinto, Yahoo's official spokesperson said, "Yahoo India has
no jurisdiction over the content since it is stored in servers in the
US. The content is not generated by Yahoo, but by users." Yahoo now
plans to take up the issue with the government.
Internet users are furious. "This is a violation of freedom of
expression and sets a dangerous precedent of censorship and control
over the Internet in India," said Harsh Kapoor of the South Asia
Citizens' Web in a message.
For now the government's move seems to have fallen flat on its face.
Most users are able to access the messages of Kynhun through Google
search caches.
What is banned
The government wanted the Kynhun Group banned from cyberspace. But
ISP blocked Yahoo Groups — a service provided by Yahoo, where users
can form their own groups to share ideas and information.
Who has banned it
Indian Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT-In), which was set up
in July 2003, and operates under the Union government's Department of
Information Technology (DoT).
In bad company
* Russia forces ISPs to install surveillance equipment.
* Burma's "Cyberspace Warfare Centre" hacks into computers that
receive or send forbidden messages.
* In China "cyber-dissidents" have been imprisoned.
* In Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia as well as Iran,
access to the web is restricted to government servers and subject to
strict surveillance.
www.chalomumbai
Battlelines are now drawn between Mumbai and Hyderabad as a venue
for the most popular sport event in the world — Formula One.
However, whoever provides the infrastructure logistics of
international standards will take away the project. "It is a tough
task, but not an impossible one," asserts Nationalist Congress Party
chief Sharad Pawar, who has shown keen interest to get F-1 to the
city. The NCP head honcho is busy forumlating the plans for the
world-class infrastructure needs required to bring the circuit
around the Mumbai-Pune belt.
"Formula One circuit can be created around Mumbai and it will push
the city on the global map," he adds. Pawar is likely to officially
discuss the matter with Chief Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde in the
coming week, even as he is taking keen interest in promoting the FIA
Asia Pacific rally championship 2003, the first major motorsport
event in 14 years around Lake City near Pune between December 5 and
7. And Nazir Hoosein, president, Motorsports Association of India,
which is an ASN of FIA in India, sounds confident that India can do
it.
Hoosein recently had a meeting with Pawar and representative of
Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Chandrababu Naidu. "It is nothing new
to consider two to three venues in the country. I cannot take sides.
The state which will have the infrastructure, the right feasibility
study and puts it down first will make it. But without any bias I
can say that Mumbai is better off than Hyderabad for F-1. It has the
spending power."
Hoosein informed that both World Rally Championships and F-1 are
keen to come to India. "We are an ideal location geographically.
Ideally, the best way to start is to concentrate on small events
like Asia Pacific rally and then move to World rally with a final
aim to F-1," he adds.
According to Hoosein, the link between the Sahar airport and circuit
would be crucial. "It should be like Suzuka in Japan, which is more
like an entertainment zone with Formula One just a part of it. It
has restaurants, suites, etc. We must plan accordingly and with an
international airport coming up at Pune, a Formula One circuit
between both the cities connected by the expressway is an ideal
opportunity." He, however, admitted that a larger vision is
essential to get the project going, "and it has to be above party
politics."
Meanwhile, the state government is moving fast in its preparations
for a project to catch up with Andhra Pradesh in view of forthcoming
visit of Bernie Ecclestone, CEO, Formula One Holdings Inc next month
to India. Says Narinder Nayar, president, Bombay First, which is
assisting the government, "We must zero in on the site soon and move
on fast."
Bk
New Delhi, Sept 22: Former Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mayawati has
been unanimously elected national president of Bahujan Samaj Party
(BSP), a party release said here today.
The release said Mayawati was elected unopposed at a meeting of the
BSP's central general body here on September 18.
The decision to convene the meeting to elect BSP's national president
was taken by the central executive committee of the party which had
met under the chairmanship of Kanshi Ram on August 24 at Lucknow.
The meeting was attended by presidents and other office bearers of
various state units of the party.
The meeting also adopted a resolution praying for the speedy recovery
of the BSP supremo Kanshi Ram.
Bureau Report
Jabalpur, Sept 22: Stating that it would contest all the 230 assembly
seats in Madhya Pradesh in the coming polls, NCP today claimed that
neither Congress nor BJP would be able to form the government in the
state without its support.
NCP state unit president, Kalpana Parulekar told reporters here that
her party MLAs would play a decisive role in government formation
after the elections.
She said the state would witness a triangular contest between
Congress, BJP and NCP in the assembly elections and claimed that NCP
had the backing of the farming community.
Parulekar claimed that in Madhya Pradesh the real fight would be
between BJP and NCP while the ruling Congress would end up at the
third place.
Meanwhile, in a statement Parulekar expressed grief over the death of
Rajasthan Governor, Nirmal Chand Jain.
Madhya Pradesh has lost a brilliant leader in the passing away of
Jain, who rose to the high office because of his abilities and
services to the nation, she said.
Bureau Report Zee news
dear najumuddin bookwala
i am with the group and will like to share any
responsibility realated to the development of group
santosh deshpande
--- Najmudin Bookwala <ngbk2000@...> wrote:
> Dear salil As u have allready left the group as u
> say but let me clearify the issue this group is for
> democrecy of the countery some thig whcih happened
> ettween me and Sanjay was not good and healty for
> our party nither for the group i must tell u all
> that this is the forum for open minded peopel and
> peopel looking better India
>
> I felt mr.sanjay as a commercial men and totally he
> was ussing many of the members for his mediatoer to
> use I have recived many complaint from members and
> thier for i told him openly many thing and he felt
> hert
> The big isssue he promise the 6000 jobs in india if
> we introduse some companey in of USA, in india .
> when Imade all arrengment he and the his team has
> made every thing commerciall and worked out the deal
> in this case I felt what ever thats he is just
> trying and using the forum becouse many employers in
> our group wanted good job and this was an IT
> companey wanted to get establish in India
>
> secoundly he gave us the number of some American for
> Arms deal was tottlay a blackmailer with our
> information in USA
>
> he also try to make us understand that his life is
> in danger by making all this statment, by some
> goverment official I made inquiery with the
> perticuler group was falls
> He told me that he is from the Royaal Femily of
> Some state and which is falls tooo
> like many instance I try to traak him becous he was
> posting many articals which may be harmfull to group
> regulation made by Yahoo it self
> so this is the clearifcation if any one fills I am
> wrong as responsibel person I will take
> responsibelty and delit the group
> I am running this group since last two years and my
> active political expirence of this type of peoepl is
> very high so pelase try to understand as a head of
> the family As a modorateor what ever I will do n
> best of the group
>
> Najmudin Bookwala
>
>
>
> GALAXICINDIAN <galaxicindian@...> wrote:
> Dear Members on the list, Sanjay and Moderator(s),
>
> Sanjay Matkar's Leaving the List is not a healthy
> sign
>
> I am not aware of any such differences of opinions
> that might have appeared by and between Sanjay and
> the Moderators as there was nothing on this list to
> guess that. So, in my opinion, there could have been
> a personal exchange of some mails that other members
> are not aware of.
>
> I rembmer that on another occassion, similar thing
> happened with me on an other list that had a
> membership of over 7000 members and a few of members
> wanted me out of the list and infact I faced
> reletless volley of hate and abuse mails from a few
> members who in my opinion, were fanatics and wanted
> to push through their idiology to all and would not
> take anything that went against their extremist
> plans. There was a poll conducted where other
> members gave me overwhelming majority to "STAY'' on
> that list.
>
> I would like you to STAY here and do not decide to
> quite this list whosoever deep the differences we
> shall be able to overcome. As for my personal view I
> do like your post very much and also the issues that
> you raise at times.
>
> Let this not beome an issue of personal hurts and I
> would urge to Moderators as well to see that this
> NCP list remains a healthy forum of open and
> democratic discussion by and between members. If
> someone disagrees to any point, he or she must
> openly put that across and invite other members
> opinion. We have to attend to larger issues and
> let us Sanjay forget these smaller hurts that come
> inbetween.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ashok Sharma
>
>
> Salil Parkar <denhelderlogisticsusa@...>
> wrote:
> Dear Moderators
>
> I would like to seek clarifications from you on this
> issue. Since this is a forum to express ones ideas
> and thoughts freely the members must be given an
> opportunity to do so unless it crosses the
> parameters set by the moderators. We would all like
> to know those parameters.
>
> I am sure you will clarify the issue so all other
> members will understand the facts.
> I would request Sanjay to stay with the group until
> this matter is clarified.
>
> Every problem has solution as mentioned by Mr.
> Santosh Deshpande and this will be resolved amicably
> too. We would like Sanjay to stay with the group.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Salil
> =====================
> Bayonne, NJ 07002, USA
> ====================
>
> SANTOSH DESHPANDE <baludesh@...> wrote:
> dear sanjay
>
> i am sorry to know this
>
> but i suggest you to stay with the group
>
> i dont know what exactly are the differences
>
> evry problem has a solution and you can find one.
>
> anyway hope u stay with the group.
>
> santosh deshpande
>
>
> --- Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
> > Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
> >
> > Because of differences of opinion with the
> > moderators of this Group,
> > and the fact that they find me lacking in many
> ways,
> > I have decided
> > not to participate in this group anymore.
> >
> > The flow of information will however continue at
> the
> > website: NCP-
> > INDIA.com
> >
> > Regards to all, and best Wishes
> >
> > Sardar Sanjay Matkar
> >
> >
>
>
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Dear All at NCP Group
Just to clarify that I have not left the Group yet nor do I have any intentions
of leaving the group.
I would personally like to interact with the moderators on how best we can make
this forum accessible to more and more like minded people.
I would like to request everybody to continue being member of the group.
Best regards
Salil
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Najmudin Bookwala <ngbk2000@...> wrote:
Dear salil As u have allready left the group as u say but let me clearify the
issue this group is for democrecy of the countery some thig whcih happened
ettween me and Sanjay was not good and healty for our party nither for the group
i must tell u all that this is the forum for open minded peopel and peopel
looking better India
I felt mr.sanjay as a commercial men and totally he was ussing many of the
members for his mediatoer to use I have recived many complaint from members and
thier for i told him openly many thing and he felt hert
The big isssue he promise the 6000 jobs in india if we introduse some companey
in of USA, in india .
when Imade all arrengment he and the his team has made every thing commerciall
and worked out the deal in this case I felt what ever thats he is just trying
and using the forum becouse many employers in our group wanted good job and this
was an IT companey wanted to get establish in India
secoundly he gave us the number of some American for Arms deal was tottlay a
blackmailer with our information in USA
he also try to make us understand that his life is in danger by making all this
statment, by some goverment official I made inquiery with the perticuler group
was falls
He told me that he is from the Royaal Femily of Some state and which is falls
tooo
like many instance I try to traak him becous he was posting many articals which
may be harmfull to group regulation made by Yahoo it self
so this is the clearifcation if any one fills I am wrong as responsibel person I
will take responsibelty and delit the group
I am running this group since last two years and my active political expirence
of this type of peoepl is very high so pelase try to understand as a head of the
family As a modorateor what ever I will do n best of the group
Najmudin Bookwala
GALAXICINDIAN <galaxicindian@...> wrote:
Dear Members on the list, Sanjay and Moderator(s),
Sanjay Matkar's Leaving the List is not a healthy sign
I am not aware of any such differences of opinions that might have appeared by
and between Sanjay and the Moderators as there was nothing on this list to guess
that. So, in my opinion, there could have been a personal exchange of some mails
that other members are not aware of.
I rembmer that on another occassion, similar thing happened with me on an other
list that had a membership of over 7000 members and a few of members wanted me
out of the list and infact I faced reletless volley of hate and abuse mails from
a few members who in my opinion, were fanatics and wanted to push through their
idiology to all and would not take anything that went against their extremist
plans. There was a poll conducted where other members gave me overwhelming
majority to "STAY'' on that list.
I would like you to STAY here and do not decide to quite this list whosoever
deep the differences we shall be able to overcome. As for my personal view I do
like your post very much and also the issues that you raise at times.
Let this not beome an issue of personal hurts and I would urge to Moderators as
well to see that this NCP list remains a healthy forum of open and democratic
discussion by and between members. If someone disagrees to any point, he or she
must openly put that across and invite other members opinion. We have to attend
to larger issues and
let us Sanjay forget these smaller hurts that come inbetween.
Best regards,
Ashok Sharma
Salil Parkar <denhelderlogisticsusa@...> wrote:
Dear Moderators
I would like to seek clarifications from you on this issue. Since this is a
forum to express ones ideas and thoughts freely the members must be given an
opportunity to do so unless it crosses the parameters set by the moderators. We
would all like to know those parameters.
I am sure you will clarify the issue so all other members will understand the
facts.
I would request Sanjay to stay with the group until this matter is clarified.
Every problem has solution as mentioned by Mr. Santosh Deshpande and this will
be resolved amicably too. We would like Sanjay to stay with the group.
Thanks for your time.
Salil
=====================
Bayonne, NJ 07002, USA
====================
SANTOSH DESHPANDE <baludesh@...> wrote:
dear sanjay
i am sorry to know this
but i suggest you to stay with the group
i dont know what exactly are the differences
evry problem has a solution and you can find one.
anyway hope u stay with the group.
santosh deshpande
--- Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> Because of differences of opinion with the
> moderators of this Group,
> and the fact that they find me lacking in many ways,
> I have decided
> not to participate in this group anymore.
>
> The flow of information will however continue at the
> website: NCP-
> INDIA.com
>
> Regards to all, and best Wishes
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar
>
>
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Dear salil As u have allready left the group as u say but let me clearify the
issue this group is for democrecy of the countery some thig whcih happened
ettween me and Sanjay was not good and healty for our party nither for the group
i must tell u all that this is the forum for open minded peopel and peopel
looking better India
I felt mr.sanjay as a commercial men and totally he was ussing many of the
members for his mediatoer to use I have recived many complaint from members and
thier for i told him openly many thing and he felt hert
The big isssue he promise the 6000 jobs in india if we introduse some companey
in of USA, in india .
when Imade all arrengment he and the his team has made every thing commerciall
and worked out the deal in this case I felt what ever thats he is just trying
and using the forum becouse many employers in our group wanted good job and this
was an IT companey wanted to get establish in India
secoundly he gave us the number of some American for Arms deal was tottlay a
blackmailer with our information in USA
he also try to make us understand that his life is in danger by making all this
statment, by some goverment official I made inquiery with the perticuler group
was falls
He told me that he is from the Royaal Femily of Some state and which is falls
tooo
like many instance I try to traak him becous he was posting many articals which
may be harmfull to group regulation made by Yahoo it self
so this is the clearifcation if any one fills I am wrong as responsibel person I
will take responsibelty and delit the group
I am running this group since last two years and my active political expirence
of this type of peoepl is very high so pelase try to understand as a head of the
family As a modorateor what ever I will do n best of the group
Najmudin Bookwala
GALAXICINDIAN <galaxicindian@...> wrote:
Dear Members on the list, Sanjay and Moderator(s),
Sanjay Matkar's Leaving the List is not a healthy sign
I am not aware of any such differences of opinions that might have appeared by
and between Sanjay and the Moderators as there was nothing on this list to guess
that. So, in my opinion, there could have been a personal exchange of some mails
that other members are not aware of.
I rembmer that on another occassion, similar thing happened with me on an other
list that had a membership of over 7000 members and a few of members wanted me
out of the list and infact I faced reletless volley of hate and abuse mails from
a few members who in my opinion, were fanatics and wanted to push through their
idiology to all and would not take anything that went against their extremist
plans. There was a poll conducted where other members gave me overwhelming
majority to "STAY'' on that list.
I would like you to STAY here and do not decide to quite this list whosoever
deep the differences we shall be able to overcome. As for my personal view I do
like your post very much and also the issues that you raise at times.
Let this not beome an issue of personal hurts and I would urge to Moderators as
well to see that this NCP list remains a healthy forum of open and democratic
discussion by and between members. If someone disagrees to any point, he or she
must openly put that across and invite other members opinion. We have to attend
to larger issues and
let us Sanjay forget these smaller hurts that come inbetween.
Best regards,
Ashok Sharma
Salil Parkar <denhelderlogisticsusa@...> wrote:
Dear Moderators
I would like to seek clarifications from you on this issue. Since this is a
forum to express ones ideas and thoughts freely the members must be given an
opportunity to do so unless it crosses the parameters set by the moderators. We
would all like to know those parameters.
I am sure you will clarify the issue so all other members will understand the
facts.
I would request Sanjay to stay with the group until this matter is clarified.
Every problem has solution as mentioned by Mr. Santosh Deshpande and this will
be resolved amicably too. We would like Sanjay to stay with the group.
Thanks for your time.
Salil
=====================
Bayonne, NJ 07002, USA
====================
SANTOSH DESHPANDE <baludesh@...> wrote:
dear sanjay
i am sorry to know this
but i suggest you to stay with the group
i dont know what exactly are the differences
evry problem has a solution and you can find one.
anyway hope u stay with the group.
santosh deshpande
--- Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> Because of differences of opinion with the
> moderators of this Group,
> and the fact that they find me lacking in many ways,
> I have decided
> not to participate in this group anymore.
>
> The flow of information will however continue at the
> website: NCP-
> INDIA.com
>
> Regards to all, and best Wishes
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar
>
>
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Dear Members on the list, Sanjay and Moderator(s),
Sanjay Matkar's Leaving the List is not a healthy sign
I am not aware of any such differences of opinions that might have appeared by
and between Sanjay and the Moderators as there was nothing on this list to guess
that. So, in my opinion, there could have been a personal exchange of some mails
that other members are not aware of.
I rembmer that on another occassion, similar thing happened with me on an other
list that had a membership of over 7000 members and a few of members wanted me
out of the list and infact I faced reletless volley of hate and abuse mails from
a few members who in my opinion, were fanatics and wanted to push through their
idiology to all and would not take anything that went against their extremist
plans. There was a poll conducted where other members gave me overwhelming
majority to "STAY'' on that list.
I would like you to STAY here and do not decide to quite this list whosoever
deep the differences we shall be able to overcome. As for my personal view I do
like your post very much and also the issues that you raise at times.
Let this not beome an issue of personal hurts and I would urge to Moderators as
well to see that this NCP list remains a healthy forum of open and democratic
discussion by and between members. If someone disagrees to any point, he or she
must openly put that across and invite other members opinion. We have to attend
to larger issues and
let us Sanjay forget these smaller hurts that come inbetween.
Best regards,
Ashok Sharma
Salil Parkar <denhelderlogisticsusa@...> wrote:
Dear Moderators
I would like to seek clarifications from you on this issue. Since this is a
forum to express ones ideas and thoughts freely the members must be given an
opportunity to do so unless it crosses the parameters set by the moderators. We
would all like to know those parameters.
I am sure you will clarify the issue so all other members will understand the
facts.
I would request Sanjay to stay with the group until this matter is clarified.
Every problem has solution as mentioned by Mr. Santosh Deshpande and this will
be resolved amicably too. We would like Sanjay to stay with the group.
Thanks for your time.
Salil
=====================
Bayonne, NJ 07002, USA
====================
SANTOSH DESHPANDE <baludesh@...> wrote:
dear sanjay
i am sorry to know this
but i suggest you to stay with the group
i dont know what exactly are the differences
evry problem has a solution and you can find one.
anyway hope u stay with the group.
santosh deshpande
--- Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> Because of differences of opinion with the
> moderators of this Group,
> and the fact that they find me lacking in many ways,
> I have decided
> not to participate in this group anymore.
>
> The flow of information will however continue at the
> website: NCP-
> INDIA.com
>
> Regards to all, and best Wishes
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar
>
>
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Dear Moderators
I would like to seek clarifications from you on this issue. Since this is a
forum to express ones ideas and thoughts freely the members must be given an
opportunity to do so unless it crosses the parameters set by the moderators. We
would all like to know those parameters.
I am sure you will clarify the issue so all other members will understand the
facts.
I would request Sanjay to stay with the group until this matter is clarified.
Every problem has solution as mentioned by Mr. Santosh Deshpande and this will
be resolved amicably too. We would like Sanjay to stay with the group.
Thanks for your time.
Salil
=====================
Bayonne, NJ 07002, USA
====================
SANTOSH DESHPANDE <baludesh@...> wrote:
dear sanjay
i am sorry to know this
but i suggest you to stay with the group
i dont know what exactly are the differences
evry problem has a solution and you can find one.
anyway hope u stay with the group.
santosh deshpande
--- Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> Because of differences of opinion with the
> moderators of this Group,
> and the fact that they find me lacking in many ways,
> I have decided
> not to participate in this group anymore.
>
> The flow of information will however continue at the
> website: NCP-
> INDIA.com
>
> Regards to all, and best Wishes
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar
>
>
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dear sanjay
i am sorry to know this
but i suggest you to stay with the group
i dont know what exactly are the differences
evry problem has a solution and you can find one.
anyway hope u stay with the group.
santosh deshpande
--- Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
> Friends, Indians, Countrymen;
>
> Because of differences of opinion with the
> moderators of this Group,
> and the fact that they find me lacking in many ways,
> I have decided
> not to participate in this group anymore.
>
> The flow of information will however continue at the
> website: NCP-
> INDIA.com
>
> Regards to all, and best Wishes
>
> Sardar Sanjay Matkar
>
>
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ORIGINAL COST:USD 36 million per plane.
WHAT INDIA PAID:USD:_____________ <still under negotiations>
Is the aircraft new? NO
Refurbished? YES
When Manufactured? 1975 to 1987.
Description: Four-engine turboprop anti-submarine and maritime
surveillance aircraft.
Features: Originally designed as a land-based, long-range, anti-
submarine warfare (ASW) patrol aircraft, the P-3C's mission has
evolved in the late 1990s and early 21st century to include
surveillance of the battlespace, either at sea or over land. Its long
range and long loiter time have proved invaluable assets during
Operation Iraqi Freedom as it can view the battlespace and
instantaneously provide that information to ground troops, especially
U.S. Marines.
The P-3C has advanced submarine detection sensors such as directional
frequency and ranging (DIFAR) sonobuoys and magnetic anomaly
detection (MAD) equipment. The avionics system is integrated by a
general purpose digital computer that supports all of the tactical
displays, monitors and automatically launches ordnance and provides
flight information to the pilots. In addition, the system coordinates
navigation information and accepts sensor data inputs for tactical
display and storage. The P-3C can carry a mixed payload of weapons
internally and on wing pylons.
Background: In February 1959, the Navy awarded Lockheed a contract to
develop a replacement for the aging P2V Neptune. The P3V Orion,
derived from Lockheed's successful L188 Electra airliner, entered the
inventory in July 1962, and more than 30 years later it remains the
Navy's sole land-based antisubmarine warfare aircraft. It has gone
through one designation change (P3V to P-3) and three major models: P-
3A, P-3B, and P-3C, the latter being the only one now in active
service. The last Navy P-3 came off the production line at the
Lockheed plant in April 1990.
Point of Contact:
Naval Air Systems Command
Public Affairs Department
47123 Buse Road, Unit IPT
Bldg. 2272, Suite 075
Patuxent River, MD 20670-5440
(301)757-1487
General Characteristics
Primary Function: Antisubmarine warfare(ASW)/Antisurface warfare
(ASUW)
Contractor: Lockheed Martin Aeronautical Systems Company
Unit Cost: $36 million
Propulsion: Four Allison T-56-A-14 turboprop engines (4,900 shaft
horsepower each)
Length: 116 feet 7 inches (35.57 meters)
Wingspan: 99 feet 6 inches (30.36 meters)
Height: 33 feet 7 inches (10.27 meters)
Weight: Max gross take-off: 139,760 pounds (63,394.1 kg)
Speed: maximum - 411 knots (466 mph, 745 kmph); cruise - 328 knots
(403 mph, 644 kmph)
Ceiling: 28,300 feet (8,625.84 meters)
Range:Maximum mission range - 2,380 nautical miles (2,738.9 miles);
for three hours on station at 1,500 feet - 1,346 nautical miles
(1,548.97 miles)
Crew: 11
Armament: 20,000 pounds (9 metric tons) of ordnance including:Harpoon
(AGM-84D) cruise missile, SLAM (AGM-84E) missiles, Maverick (AGM 65)
air-to-ground missiles, MK-46/50 torpedoes, rockets, mines, depth
bombs, and special weapons
Date Deployed: First flight, November 1959; Operational, P-3A August
1962 and P-3C August 1969
A SHORT HISTORY OF OFFICIAL AMERICAN LIES :
US POLICY OF GREATER CONTROL OF OTHER NATIONS, OIL AND OTHER WORLD RESOURCES
AND MORE ITS HIDDEN AGENDA
.....Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction. Dick Cheney Aug 26,2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html">
-Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the
production of biological weapons. George W.Bush in UN General Assembly Sep 12,
2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html
-If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once
again misleading the world. Ari Fleischer Dec 2, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021202-6.html
a fact that there are weapons there. Ari Fleischer Jan 9, 2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030109-8.html
George W. Bush in a Press briefing on Jan 28,2003 stated -Our intelligence
officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as
500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
" We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more". Colin Powell Feb 5, 2003
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300.htm
- We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi
field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells
us he does not have.George W. Bush Radio Address Feb 8, 2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030208.html"
-So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass
destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . .I think our judgment has to be
clearly not. Colin Powell http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/18458.htm
- Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the
Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons
ever devised. Bush address to the Nation March 17,2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html
- Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has
weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all
this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration
it takes. Ari Fleisher- March 21:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030321-9.html
-There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass
destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be
identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard
them. Gen. Tommy Franks in a Press Conference on March 22, 2003
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/03032203.htm
- I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of WMD Def Policy Board member
Kenneth Adelman said on March 23,2003 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn
- One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a
number of sites. Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark-to press on Mar- 22
http://www.dod.gov/news/Mar2003/t03222003_t0322osdpa.html">
- We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
and east, west, south and north somewhat. Donald Rumsfeld ABC
Interview March 30, 2003
http://www.dod.gov/news/Mar2003/t03302003_t0330sdabcsteph.html>
- Obviously the admn. intends to publicize all the WMDs U.S. forces find -- and
there will be plenty. Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
http://www.ceip.org/files/Publications/2003-04-08-kaganpost.asp? Washington Post
op-ed April 9, 2003
- I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a
measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be
found. Ari Fleischer
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030410-6.html Apr-10, 3
- We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi
scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed
some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.George W. Bush-NBC
Interview April 24, 2003
http://www.talkingproud.us/EditorChoice042603.html>
- There are people who in large measure have information that we need so
that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld Press briefing Apr-25
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030425-secdef0126.html
- We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.George W. Bush-May 3:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030503-1.html
- I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there
and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.Colin
Powell
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/20166.htm">To Reporters on May 4,2003
-We never believed that we'd just tumble over WMDs in that country. Donald
Rumsfeld www.dod.gov/transcripts/2003/tr20030504-secdef0153.html Fox News May
4,2003
-I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam
Hussein -- because he had a weapons program. George W.Bush onMay 6, 2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030506-3.html
-U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and
find" weapons of mass destruction. Condoleeza Rice Reuters Intrw. May 12, 2003
asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
- I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's
no question that there were chemical weapons years ago --whether they were
destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden. Maj. Gen.
David Petraeus, Cmdr 101st Airborne
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030513-0181.html May 13, 2003
- Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons
of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I
still expect them to be found. Gen.Michael Hagee, Cmdnt of the Marine Corps on
May 21,2003
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?
-Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating,
I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.Gen. Richard
Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff ro NBC Interview on May 26,2003
http://www.msnbc.com/local/wilx/generalcothe.asp
- They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld in his Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations May 27, 2003
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51355-2003May28.html?
-For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one
reason everyone could agree on. Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030528-
*Here are some more quotes from GWB that were on
uggabugga a little sometime back:-
While campaigning in 2002, President Bush said the following:
-1 OCT 14 Michigan
"September the 11th changed the equation, changed our thinking. It also
changed our thinking when we began to realize that one of the most dangerous
things that can happen in the modern era is for a deceiving dictator who has
gassed his own people, who has weapons of mass destruction to team up with an
organization like al
Qaeda."
-2 OCT 28 Colorado
"Saddam is a person who claims he has no weapons of mass destruction,in order
to escape the dictums of the U.N. Security Council and the United Nations -- but
he's got them"
-3 OCT 28 New Mexico
"He's got weapons of mass destruction."
- 4 OCT 31 South Dakota
"There is a threat in Iraq. And the threat exists because a leader there not
only has denied and deceived the world about whether or not he's got weapons of
mass
destruction, but this is a guy who's used weapons of mass destruction. He not
only has them, he's used them."
- 5 NOV 01 New Hampshire
"We know he's got chemical weapons,probably has biological weapons."
6 NOV 02 Tennessee
"We know that this is a man who has chemical weapons, and we know he's
used them."
- 7 NOV 02 Atlanta, Georgia
"He's a man who has said he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction,
but he's got them."
- 8 NOV 02 Florida
"He's a man who has said he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction,
but he's got them. ... You know, not only does he have weapons of mass
destruction, but, incredibly enough, he has used weapons of mass destruction."
- 9 NOV 02 Minnesota
"This is a man who not only has got chemical weapons, I want you to remind
your friends and neighbors, that he has used chemical weapons."
-10 NOV 02 Illinois
"I see the world the way it is. Saddam Hussein is a threat to America.
He's a threat to our friends. He's a man who said he wouldn't have weapons of
mass destruction, yet he has them."
- 11 NOV 02 South Dakota
"Saddam Hussein is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass
destruction, but he's got them."
- 12 NOV 02 Texas
"He said he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction -- he has weapons of mass
destruction.... Not only has he got chemical weapons, but I want you to
remember,
he's used chemical weapons."
- 13 NOV 02 Arkansas
"This is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction,
promised he wouldn't have them. He's got them. ... He said he wouldn't have
chemical weapons, he's got them."
14 NOV 02 Missouri
"He said he wouldn't have chemical weapons; he's got them." Don't forget
these:"Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between
100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent.That is enough agent to fill 16,000
battlefield rockets.
-"Colin Powell 2/5/03
"Intelligence leaves no doubt that Iraq continues to possess and conceal lethal
weapons"
-George Bush, US President 18 March, -2003
"We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say
that such a claim is palpably absurd"
Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003
-"Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons of mass
destruction".
Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary 2 April, 2003
"Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction,
I suggest they wait a bit
Tony Blair -28 April, 2003
It is possible Iraqi leaders decided they would destroy them prior to the
conflict" Donald Rumsfeld, US Defense Secretary 28 May, 2003
Now One small question is where did they find Weapons of Mass Destruction and
yet they are saying that it is a metter of time before our forces find them.
Media is in league with them funded by the large corporate who have interest and
are running the show with other intents. The idea is for all countries and the
leaders that they must watch carefully and read between the lines. A massive
loss of lives and property and yet forces are camping in Iran Afghanistan and
now they are going to reconstruct the devastated city and its system and nobody
questions the legitimacy of all this being done at the cost of multi billions of
dollars. All for Oil and greater world resources and corporate greed for larger
markets. Side by side there is another planning being pushed in form of WTO and
making United Nation Process weak. Only a select band of robbers teamed up with
the Media and corporate are ruling the world....
Regime change was not their intent in Iraq. Weapons of Mass destruction was a
huge global cover up they used through puppet media to change the world
opinion.If regime change was the policy, then by now forces would have moved out
but another game has startednow and that is to pass on all responsibility to
International community by inviting forces to replace americans who are more
than 1,44,000. More than 40,000 iraqi innocent civilians have been killed. Next
stage my be Iran and or Syria and chambers are being made hot for North
Korea...All major contracts of millions of dollars have been distributed to
friendly circles in gross disregard to UN process of awarding International
contracts...!Seemingly sophesticated looking but power equipped, white collared
criminals,gangster and a select bad of robbers are pushing their dirty agenda to
rule the world and masses are like sheep, oblivious to real facts yet choose
them to rule the fate of Nations...
WMDs provided legitimate grounds for war through which they would plunder.
Repeatedly US leaders yelled and President in State of Union address said that
disarmament of Iraq was not enough, only regime change would do. And the
justification given was a big lie that the world knows. They said there is
evidence in greater measures that would cause grave harm to US interests.
There is no such thing called an independent press and we all know this but yet
believe on this commodity called Media that is used by those in power to beat
the drums they want to beat and people, majority of them as a slave to the old
habit that dies hard glue to media without questioning what it is giving to
society. Media is a friend of criminals and rich and the powerful, I am very
clear about this. No one in the media dares to write honest opinions and if one
tries to do that he would know that he will be treated an 'outcaste' by this
commercial media. Media lords are paying their skilled journalists to keep quite
about their honest opinions and slowly slowly they forget what honesty is and
what journalism is.
Sanjay <kozak_vodka@...> wrote:
The official story on Iraq has never made sense. The connection that
the Bush administration has tried to draw between Iraq and al-Qaida
has always seemed contrived and artificial. In fact, it was hard to
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The official story on Iraq has never made sense. The connection that
the Bush administration has tried to draw between Iraq and al-Qaida
has always seemed contrived and artificial. In fact, it was hard to
believe that smart people in the Bush administration would start a
major war based on such flimsy evidence.
The pieces just didn't fit. Something else had to be going on;
something was missing.
In recent days, those missing pieces have finally begun to fall into
place. As it turns out, this is not really about Iraq. It is not
about weapons of mass destruction, or terrorism, or Saddam, or U.N.
resolutions.
This war, should it come, is intended to mark the official
emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire,
seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It
would be the culmination of a plan 10 years or more in the making,
carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the
opportunity for global domination, even if it means becoming
the "American imperialists" that their enemies always claimed they
were.
Once that is understood, other mysteries solve themselves. For
example, why does the administration seem unconcerned about an exit
strategy from Iraq once Saddam is toppled?
Because USA won't be leaving Iraq. Having conquered Iraq, the United
States will create permanent military bases in that country from
which to dominate the Middle East, including neighboring Iran.
In an interview Friday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld brushed
aside that suggestion, noting that the United States does not covet
other nations' territory. That may be true, but 57 years after World
War II ended, USA still have major bases in Germany and Japan. The
USA will do the same in Iraq.
And why has the administration dismissed the option of containing
and deterring Iraq, as they had the Soviet Union for 45 years?
Because even if it worked, containment and deterrence would not
allow the expansion of American power. Besides, they are beneath the
USA as an empire. Rome did not stoop to containment; it conquered.
Among the architects of this would-be American Empire are a group of
brilliant and powerful people who now hold key positions in the Bush
administration: They envision the creation and enforcement of what
they call a worldwide "Pax Americana," or American peace. But so
far, the American people have not appreciated the true extent of
that ambition.
Part of it's laid out in the National Security Strategy, a document
in which each administration outlines its approach to defending the
country. The Bush administration plan, released Sept. 20, marks a
significant departure from previous approaches, a change that it
attributes largely to the attacks of Sept. 11.
To address the terrorism threat, the president's report lays out a
newly aggressive military and foreign policy, embracing pre-emptive
attack against perceived enemies. It speaks in blunt terms of what
it calls "American internationalism," of ignoring international
opinion if that suits U.S. interests. "The best defense is a good
offense," the document asserts.
It dismisses deterrence as a Cold War relic and instead talks
of "convincing or compelling states to accept their sovereign
responsibilities."
In essence, it lays out a plan for permanent U.S. military and
economic domination of every region on the globe, unfettered by
international treaty or concern. And to make that plan a reality, it
envisions a stark expansion of a global military presence.
"The United States will require bases and stations within and beyond
Western Europe and Northeast Asia," the document warns, "as well as
temporary access arrangements for the long-distance deployment of
U.S. troops."
The report's repeated references to terrorism are misleading,
however, because the approach of the new National Security Strategy
was clearly not inspired by the events of Sept. 11. They can be
found in much the same language in a report issued in September 2000
by the Project for the New American Century, a group of conservative
interventionists outraged by the thought that the United States
might be forfeiting its chance at a global empire.
"At no time in history has the international security order been as
conducive to American interests and ideals," the report said. stated
two years ago. "The challenge of this coming century is to preserve
and enhance this 'American peace.' "
Familiar themes
Overall, that 2000 report reads like a blueprint for current Bush
defense policy. Most of what it advocates, the Bush administration
has tried to accomplish. For example, the project report urged the
repudiation of the anti-ballistic missile treaty and a commitment to
a global missile defense system. The administration has taken that
course.
It recommended that to project sufficient power worldwide to enforce
Pax Americana, the United States would have to increase defense
spending from 3 percent of gross domestic product to as much as 3.8
percent. For next year, the Bush administration has requested a
defense budget of $379 billion, almost exactly 3.8 percent of GDP.
It advocates the "transformation" of the U.S. military to meet its
expanded obligations, including the cancellation of such outmoded
defense programs as the Crusader artillery system. That's exactly
the message being preached by Rumsfeld and others.
It urges the development of small nuclear warheads "required in
targeting the very deep, underground hardened bunkers that are being
built by many of our potential adversaries." This year the GOP-led
U.S. House gave the Pentagon the green light to develop such a
weapon, called the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, while the Senate
has so far balked.
That close tracking of recommendation with current policy is hardly
surprising, given the current positions of the people who
contributed to the 2000 report.
Paul Wolfowitz is now deputy defense secretary. John Bolton is
undersecretary of state. Stephen Cambone is head of the Pentagon's
Office of Program, Analysis and Evaluation. Eliot Cohen and Devon
Cross are members of the Defense Policy Board, which advises
Rumsfeld. I. Lewis Libby is chief of staff to Vice President Dick
Cheney. Dov Zakheim is comptroller for the Defense Department.
'Constabulary duties'
Because they were still just private citizens in 2000, the authors
of the project report could be more frank and less diplomatic than
they were in drafting the National Security Strategy. Back in 2000,
they clearly identified Iran, Iraq and North Korea as primary short-
term targets, well before President Bush tagged them as the Axis of
Evil. In their report, they criticize the fact that in war planning
against North Korea and Iraq, "past Pentagon wargames have given
little or no consideration to the force requirements necessary not
only to defeat an attack but to remove these regimes from power."
To preserve the Pax Americana, the report says U.S. forces will be
required to perform "constabulary duties" -- the United States
acting as policeman of the world -- and says that such
actions "demand American political leadership rather than that of
the United Nations."
To meet those responsibilities, and to ensure that no country dares
to challenge the United States, the report advocates a much larger
military presence spread over more of the globe, in addition to the
roughly 130 nations in which U.S. troops are already deployed.
More specifically, they argue that we need permanent military bases
in the Middle East, in Southeast Europe, in Latin America and in
Southeast Asia, where no such bases now exist. That helps to explain
another of the mysteries of the post-Sept. 11 reaction, in which the
Bush administration rushed to install U.S. troops in Georgia and the
Philippines, as well as the eagerness to send military advisers to
assist in the civil war in Colombia.
The 2000 report directly acknowledges its debt to a still earlier
document, drafted in 1992 by the Defense Department. That document
had also envisioned the United States as a colossus astride the
world, imposing its will and keeping world peace through military
and economic power. When leaked in final draft form, however, the
proposal drew so much criticism that it was hastily withdrawn and
repudiated by the first President Bush.
Effect on allies
The defense secretary in 1992 was Richard Cheney; the document was
drafted by Wolfowitz, who at the time was defense undersecretary for
policy.
The potential implications of a Pax Americana are immense.
One is the effect on US allies. Once the US asserts the unilateral
right to act as the world's policeman, their allies will quickly
recede into the background. Eventually,the USA will be forced to
spend American wealth and American blood protecting the peace while
other nations redirect their wealth to such things as health care
for their citizenry.
Donald Kagan, a professor of classical Greek history at Yale and an
influential advocate of a more aggressive foreign policy -- he
served as co-chairman of the 2000 New Century project --
acknowledges that likelihood.
"If [our allies] want a free ride, and they probably will, we can't
stop that," he says. But he also argues that the United States,
given its unique position, has no choice but to act anyway.
"You saw the movie 'High Noon'? he asks. "We're Gary Cooper."
Accepting the Cooper role would be an historic change in who we are
as a nation, and in how we operate in the international arena.
Candidate Bush certainly did not campaign on such a change. It is
not something that he or others have dared to discuss honestly with
the American people. To the contrary, in his foreign policy debate
with Al Gore, Bush pointedly advocated a more humble foreign policy,
a position calculated to appeal to voters leery of military
intervention.
For the same reason, Kagan and others shy away from terms such as
empire, understanding its connotations. But they also argue that it
would be naive and dangerous to reject the role that history has
thrust upon us. Kagan, for example, willingly embraces the idea that
the United States would establish permanent military bases in a post-
war Iraq.
"I think that's highly possible," he says. "We will probably need a
major concentration of forces in the Middle East over a long period
of time. That will come at a price, but think of the price of not
having it. When we have economic problems, it's been caused by
disruptions in our oil supply. If we have a force in Iraq, there
will be no disruption in oil supplies."
Costly global commitment
Rumsfeld and Kagan believe that a successful war against Iraq will
produce other benefits, such as serving an object lesson for nations
such as Iran and Syria. Rumsfeld, as befits his sensitive position,
puts it rather gently. If a regime change were to take place in
Iraq, other nations pursuing weapons of mass destruction "would get
the message that having them . . . is attracting attention that is
not favorable and is not helpful," he says.
Kagan is more blunt.
"People worry a lot about how the Arab street is going to react," he
notes. "Well, I see that the Arab street has gotten very, very quiet
since we started blowing things up."
The cost of such a global commitment would be enormous. In 2000, we
spent $281 billion on our military, which was more than the next 11
nations combined. By 2003, our expenditures will have risen to $378
billion. In other words, the increase in our defense budget from
1999-2003 will be more than the total amount spent annually by
China, our next largest competitor.
The lure of empire is ancient and powerful, and over the millennia
it has driven men to commit terrible crimes on its behalf. But with
the end of the Cold War and the disappearance of the Soviet Union, a
global empire was essentially laid at the feet of the United States.
To the chagrin of some, we did not seize it at the time, in large
part because the American people have never been comfortable with
themselves as a New Rome.
Now, more than a decade later, the events of Sept. 11 have given
those advocates of empire a new opportunity to press their case with
a new president. So in debating whether to invade Iraq, they are
really debating the role that the United States will play in the
years and decades to come.
Are peace and security best achieved by seeking strong alliances and
international consensus, led by the United States? Or is it
necessary to take a more unilateral approach, accepting and
enhancing the global dominance that, according to some, history has
thrust upon the USA?
That's what this is about.
"Rebuilding America's Defenses," a 2000 report by the Project for
the New American Century, listed 27 people as having attended
meetings or contributed papers in preparation of the report. Among
them are six who have since assumed key defense and foreign policy
positions in the Bush administration. And the report seems to have
become a blueprint for Bush's foreign and defense policy.
How to Overthrow the Government
A TALE OF TWO NATIONS
We live in a democracy universally acknowledged to be the greatest
governing system in the world. But a democracy is only as strong as
it is responsive to all of its citizens. While our current
government crows about the endless rain of profit on Dalal Street,
average Indians are sitting back and wondering, What about me? What
about my children? What about their lousy school? What about my
retirement, our health care?
And we have no faith in our elected leaders to do anything about it.
The economic boom of the '90s has masked a looming national crisis:
a corrupt political system that auctions off public policy to the
highest bidder, and leaves the overwhelming majority of Indians
feeling alienated from their own government.
Indian politics is broken-under the thumb of a small corporate elite
using its financial clout to control both parties' political
agendas. The founding democratic principle of "one man, one vote"
has been replaced by the new math of special interests: thousands of
lobbyists plus multimillions of Rupees equal access and influence
out of the reach of ordinary citizens.
Almost two out of three Indians didn't even bother to vote in the
last election-145 million eligible voters failed to exercise a right
for which a few months later people were willing to die in East
Timor, where the turnout was 98.6 percent.
Back at home, among the 42 percent who did vote, many held their
noses while voting for the candidate they abhorred the least.
According to the Committee for the Study of the Indian Electorate,
since the 1960s national voter participation has fallen more than 25
percent, the largest and longest slide in our country's history.
Twenty-five million Indians who used to vote now choose not to.
And if a democracy is only as healthy as its voters, then its life
expectancy depends on the involvement of its youngest voters. So
it's especially troubling that young people, together with poor
people, have the lowest turnout and the steepest decline in
participation. Only 20 percent of Indians aged eighteen to twenty-
four voted in the 1998 elections.
Even the idealists are getting discouraged-they're pushing a product
no one likes. "How do you sell political participation.... "when the
state of politics is just so repulsive?"
When turnout among the young shrinks from 50 percent in 1972 to 32
percent in 1996, it's foolish to keep pretending our democratic
future is safe. With that rate of decline, in forty years nobody
will be voting.
It's a stinging repudiation of the rotten spectacle our elections
have become that despite a surge in voter registration-a net
increase of 5.5 million from 1994 to 1998-voter turnout declined by
2.5 million. Registration drives have only increased the number of
eligible people choosing not to vote.
The Indian people aren't satisfied by this-and they aren't stupid.
Since 1964, the University of Mumbai's National Election Studies has
regularly asked eligible voters a simple question: whether, in their
opinion, the Indian government is run "for the benefit of all"
or "by a few big interests." In 1998, nearly two-thirds-64 percent-
answered "a few big interests," a complete reversal of the
electorate's opinion in 1964. Sixty-two percent-compared to 36
percent in 1964-agreed with the statement, "Public officials don't
care much what people like me think."
Shouldn't the opposite be the case? Shouldn't those with the most
have the least to expect from our collective efforts, and those with
the least have the most to expect? Isn't that what's meant by
comforting the afflicted? If the least educated and the poorest
among us-those at society's margins-have the lowest expectations of
government accountability and responsiveness, what does that say
about our society?
Millions of voters are feeling ignored by politicians more concerned
with staying in power than with serving the people. And when a
candidate wins, it becomes increasingly unlikely that he or she will
ever lose.
Of course, our politicians pay plenty of lip service to reform. But
in reality, under our current system, actual efforts to overhaul
government last about as long as an ice cube in a fire .
Our political world is divided into two camps: those who consider
plummeting turnout and high disengagement a serious threat to our
democracy, and those who do not. The problem is that almost every
elected official and political consultant is in the latter camp.
Which isn't so surprising when you consider how many of them owe
their jobs to the worst aspects of the system.
So should any candidate who waxes lyrical about our "unprecedented
prosperity" without acknowledging that millions are being left out
of it.
Getting a college education used to be a ticket out of financial
insecurity. But no longer. The current crop of college graduates has
seen its earnings from 1989 to 1995 fall by nearly 10 percent in
relation to the previous generation-the first time that's ever
happened.
At the same time, personal debt has skyrocketed. Indians from twenty-
two to thirty-three years old have the greatest personal debt level
of any age group. This includes over 20,000 per person in credit
card debt, which is carried by 62 percent of Xers. They also suffer
the greatest anxiety over debt, with nearly half reporting that
it "concerns them a lot."
A flurry of reports last summer further documented the split between
the country's rich and poor:
According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the poorest
fifth of families lost an average of 5770 a year in income and
benefits between 1995 and 1997. The Center also projected that the
poorest fifth of Indians will be left with 9 percent less than they
had in 1977 and the richest fifth with 43 percent more-a record
level for the after-tax income gap between rich and poor.
While they play drum major in this prosperity parade, our leaders
are ignoring some fundamental truths. "History," as we are
warned , "tells us that sharp reversals in confidence occur
abruptly, most often with little advance notice. . . . A bursting
bubble [is] an event incontrovertibly evident only in retrospect."
In other words, when the downturn hits, watch out-it could be fast,
furious, and completely unanticipated.
So one key assumption of the prosperity parade is that it will last
forever. Another is that keeping the good times roaring will lead to
everyone enjoying them-without any special effort or shared
sacrifice. The language of the marketplace has eclipsed any appeal
to higher values. Don't worry, the market-boosters assure us-there's
no need to waste time thinking of community and civic responsibility
or anything beyond your own direct economic self-interest-and
somehow, a nation we can be proud of will materialize.
It's instructive to remember that leadership hasn't always been
reduced to keeping inflation low for Dalal Street titans, that it
didn't always answer only to the laws of supply and demand.
Call it the New Callousness: the disturbing trend in our culture
toward getting the "love" out of tough love and turning an
indifferent shoulder to anyone-drug addicts, the homeless, those
behind bars-who hasn't had the good sense to buy shares of Reliance.
After all, they're getting in the way of the Panglossian message
that all is well "in this best of all possible worlds."
Transforming human beings into nuisances-problems that must be
eradicated-is a dangerous step along the deadly path of
dehumanization. It takes very little to end a life that has been
stripped of its humanity.
Is this the logical endgame for a culture so intent on celebrating
its "winners" that it has no room left for life's losers?
Clearly the time has come for a new politics-a politics that will
challenge the status quo and contest the conventional wisdom, that
will restore integrity to government, empower ordinary citizens, and
make the political process once again relevant to the lives of
Indians.
It's time to remake our system of government, to rid our country of
the culture of greed that has infected our politicians, weakened
their consciences, and tainted their policies.
It's time to throw a tent over Delhi and fumigate the rats in the
Parliament.
Guwahati, Sept 05: Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) leader Purno A
Sangma today ruled out rejoining the Congress till its leader was of
Indian origin.
"We (NCP) will not join the Congress as its chief is not of Indian
origin," Sangma told reporters here hinting at Congress president
Sonia Gandhi's foreign origins.
"But we have no problem about joining that party if they have an
Indian leader," the former Lok Sabha Speaker added.
Referring to the illegal migration issue in Assam, he said the NCP
was for scrapping of the Illegal Migrants (Determination by
Tribunals) Act which should be replaced by a law, which would
instill confidence and sense of safety in the minds of the people.
Pointing out the IMDT created "misunderstanding and divisions"
between communities, Sangma said the emphasis was more on preventing
future infiltration than on detection and deportation of aliens.
Taking March 25, 1971 as the cut off year as nominated in the Assam
Accord, the NCP leader insisted that citizenship identity cards be
issued immediately to all who came earlier than that date based on
the electoral rolls, their birth and school certificates, land deeds
and other identifying legal documents.
The NCP leader was here to attend a function where former minister
Lilamoy Das, ex-MLA Barkatulla, two retired bureaucrats, besides
thousands from Chaygaon, Boko and Hajo constituencies joined the
party.
Bk
a law maker in our country is law breaker.
i remeber few lines of josh malihabadi here
pairon ki janjir tod de itani gulam kaum me himmat
kaha hai
apni hi barbadi pe gaur kare itani fursat kaha hai
ek harfe gam (incident of injustice) sunate hi lau de
uthe(lau=fire) dimag
hindustan me aj woh hararat kah hai josh.
santosh
--- c4ash_s123kid <c4ash_s123kid@...> wrote:
> THE facts I am going to present to u are shameful
> for us as a
> nation but they suit our genre of politicians.
>
> THE NEXT LOK SABHA ELECTIONS will be a disaster for
> INDIA.
> INDIA WILL AGAIN BE A SLAVE TO A HANDFUL OF CRIMINAL
> POLITICIANS
> Who obvioulsy DON'T want India to be a Developed
> country so that
> they can live their lives comfortably.
>
> HAVE A LOOK AT THESE FACTS :-
> 1. 29 have been accused of spouse abuse
> 2. 7 have been arrested for fraud
> 3. 19 have more than 3 criminal cases pending
> against them.
> 4. 117 have been charged and are being investigated
> for murder ,
> rape , assault , extortion and robbery
> 5. 71 cannot get credit or loans due to bad credit
> histories
> 6. 20 are current defendants on various lawsuits
> It is the 545 members of the lower house of
> Parliament of India
> that
> works for you and me
> The same group cranks out hundred of laws to
> design to
> keep
> the rest of us in line..................
>
> So the true representative of India's people IS NO
> ONE IN
> GOVERNMENT
> NEITHER IN OPPOSITION . NO ONE IS PRO HINDU NO ONE
> IS PRO-MUSLIM
> ALL
> ARE PRO - POWER.
> IN SUCH AN ATMOSPHERE DO YOU STILL THINK WE CAN
> BECOME DEVELOPED
> IN
> THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF INDIRECT DEMOCRACY
> THE vote bank of all the political parties is the
> ILLITERATE ,
> UNEMPLOYED , POVERTY RIDDEN MAJORITY OF INDIA.
> The only solution is a DIRECT DEMOCRACY where the
> electorate is a
> select polpulation of India who is aware of the
> good and bad for
> India. THE PARTYLESS DEMOCRACY where THE NAMES OF
> MINISTERS AND
> ARE
> PROPOSED BEFORE THE POLL SO THAT ELECTORATE CAN
> DECIDE ITS FUTURE.
> Top Technical personalities of the country should
> be given a
> specified reserved quota , not the SC or STs.
>
> 1. 29 have been accused of spouse abuse
> 2. 7 have been arrested for fraud
> 3. 19 have more than 3 criminal cases pending
> against them.
> 4. 117 have been charged and are being investigated
> for murder ,
> rape , assault , extortion and robbery
> 5. 71 cannot get credit or loans due to bad credit
> histories
> 6. 20 are current defendants on various lawsuits
> It is the 545 members of the lower house of
> Parliament of India
> that
> works for you and me
>
>
> IN SUCH AN ATMOSPHERE DO YOU STILL THINK WE CAN
> BECOME DEVELOPED
> IN
> THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF INDIRECT DEMOCRACY
> THE vote bank of all the political parties is the
> ILLITERATE ,
> UNEMPLOYED , POVERTY RIDDEN MAJORITY OF INDIA.
> HALF OF THE WORLD'S ILLITERATES LIVE IN INDIA.
> In the capacity of editor of a responsible media
> group I want to
> ask
> u what are your efforts to let the public know about
> these facts.
> I S
> THERE ANY MASS AWARENESS MOVEMENT WHICH CAN APPRISE
> THE TRUE
> INTENTIONS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTIES TO THE PEOPLE OF
> INDIA ? WHEN
> REFORMS BECOME IMPOSSIBLE , REVOLUTION BECOMES
> INEVITABLE. THE
> NEED
> OF THE HOUR IS TO REVOLUTIONISE THE MINDS OF OUR
> PEOPLE TOWARDS
> THE
> REALIZATION OF OUR PRESIDENT'S VISION OF A DEVELOPED
> INDIA
> Are we such uneducated that we could not realise
> what is going on
> around us and we cannot replace the vicous circle of
> same cunning
> sly
> old MPs with a fresh youth wave who will run the
> country by
> institution building , separating religion from
> politics.
> I am sure you would have received such letters from
> many a youth
> of
> our country.
> Are u aware of a group of like minded people. If
> yes, let me
> know of
> them . THE MENACES THE COUNTRY IS FACING CAN ONLY BE
> SOLVED BY
> COLLECTIVE EFFORT OF YOUTH.
> Our president is a big inspiration for us and his
> thoughts have
> to
> implemented in the young minds not the communal
> hatred and
> distrust
> the BJP , VHP and the communal bodies WHO are trying
> to imbridbe
> in
> young minds
>
> On Behalf of Bk
> Ashu
>
>
>
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THE facts I am going to present to u are shameful for us as a
nation but they suit our genre of politicians.
THE NEXT LOK SABHA ELECTIONS will be a disaster for INDIA.
INDIA WILL AGAIN BE A SLAVE TO A HANDFUL OF CRIMINAL POLITICIANS
Who obvioulsy DON'T want India to be a Developed country so that
they can live their lives comfortably.
HAVE A LOOK AT THESE FACTS :-
1. 29 have been accused of spouse abuse
2. 7 have been arrested for fraud
3. 19 have more than 3 criminal cases pending against them.
4. 117 have been charged and are being investigated for murder ,
rape , assault , extortion and robbery
5. 71 cannot get credit or loans due to bad credit histories
6. 20 are current defendants on various lawsuits
It is the 545 members of the lower house of Parliament of India
that
works for you and me
The same group cranks out hundred of laws to design to
keep
the rest of us in line..................
So the true representative of India's people IS NO ONE IN
GOVERNMENT
NEITHER IN OPPOSITION . NO ONE IS PRO HINDU NO ONE IS PRO-MUSLIM
ALL
ARE PRO - POWER.
IN SUCH AN ATMOSPHERE DO YOU STILL THINK WE CAN BECOME DEVELOPED
IN
THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF INDIRECT DEMOCRACY
THE vote bank of all the political parties is the ILLITERATE ,
UNEMPLOYED , POVERTY RIDDEN MAJORITY OF INDIA.
The only solution is a DIRECT DEMOCRACY where the electorate is a
select polpulation of India who is aware of the good and bad for
India. THE PARTYLESS DEMOCRACY where THE NAMES OF MINISTERS AND
ARE
PROPOSED BEFORE THE POLL SO THAT ELECTORATE CAN DECIDE ITS FUTURE.
Top Technical personalities of the country should be given a
specified reserved quota , not the SC or STs.
1. 29 have been accused of spouse abuse
2. 7 have been arrested for fraud
3. 19 have more than 3 criminal cases pending against them.
4. 117 have been charged and are being investigated for murder ,
rape , assault , extortion and robbery
5. 71 cannot get credit or loans due to bad credit histories
6. 20 are current defendants on various lawsuits
It is the 545 members of the lower house of Parliament of India
that
works for you and me
IN SUCH AN ATMOSPHERE DO YOU STILL THINK WE CAN BECOME DEVELOPED
IN
THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF INDIRECT DEMOCRACY
THE vote bank of all the political parties is the ILLITERATE ,
UNEMPLOYED , POVERTY RIDDEN MAJORITY OF INDIA.
HALF OF THE WORLD'S ILLITERATES LIVE IN INDIA.
In the capacity of editor of a responsible media group I want to
ask
u what are your efforts to let the public know about these facts.
I S
THERE ANY MASS AWARENESS MOVEMENT WHICH CAN APPRISE THE TRUE
INTENTIONS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTIES TO THE PEOPLE OF INDIA ? WHEN
REFORMS BECOME IMPOSSIBLE , REVOLUTION BECOMES INEVITABLE. THE
NEED
OF THE HOUR IS TO REVOLUTIONISE THE MINDS OF OUR PEOPLE TOWARDS
THE
REALIZATION OF OUR PRESIDENT'S VISION OF A DEVELOPED INDIA
Are we such uneducated that we could not realise what is going on
around us and we cannot replace the vicous circle of same cunning
sly
old MPs with a fresh youth wave who will run the country by
institution building , separating religion from politics.
I am sure you would have received such letters from many a youth
of
our country.
Are u aware of a group of like minded people. If yes, let me
know of
them . THE MENACES THE COUNTRY IS FACING CAN ONLY BE SOLVED BY
COLLECTIVE EFFORT OF YOUTH.
Our president is a big inspiration for us and his thoughts have
to
implemented in the young minds not the communal hatred and
distrust
the BJP , VHP and the communal bodies WHO are trying to imbridbe
in
young minds
On Behalf of Bk
Ashu
Shillong, Sept 04: Nationalist Congress Party leader Purno A Sangma
has accused the ruling Congress in Meghalaya of attempting to 'lure
away' its MLAs with lucrative offers, but said it would not succeed.
"The Congress is trying desperately with many offers to tempt the
NCP MLAs. It is their habit and they will continue to do so," he
told reporters last night after attending a meeting of the NCP state
unit.
Sangma exuded confidence that the party MLAs would withstand the
offer and remain united and intact. "The Congress is only spending
sleepless night," he quipped.
Recently an associate NCP MLA joined Congress and was immediately
inducted into the Lapang government as a parliamentary secretary
with the rank of Minister of State.
The ruling Congress, however, denied the charge of weaning away the
NCP MLAs into its fold.
Asked if there was any chances of his joining the BJP, Sangma ruled
out any such possibility because of 'ideologically' opposite stand.
"There is no question of my joining BJP. We are ideologically
opposed to the party," the former Lok Sabha speaker said.
BK
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galaxicindian <galaxicindian@...> wrote:
Dear Moderator,
I am not receiving any mail from NCP in my
mail box for last 3 days. I did, however check
my mail options at yahoo group and the option
selected there is daily individual mail.
I am wondering if others are getting mails why
not me then..? I checked with my ISP and they feel
nothing wrong there. I am receiving mails from all
other accounts but from NCP.
I wanted to know if I am dropped from the NCPlist
and if so for what reasons?. Hope you would please
take time to reply. My other email id is provided
below:
wpnd1@...
Best regards
Ashok Sharma
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Friends, Indians and Countrymen;
Recently a close friend of mine sent me a News story about the
National Rifle Association of India and its Secretary General
Baljeet Singh Sethi.
I happen to know Sethi personally and I vouch for the fact that he
is both a crook and a cheat who has regularly looted the NRAI for
personal gain. He is also the face of the Corruption of India;
because even with numerous accusations against him over the last
almost 15 years he has retained the position of Secretary General of
the NRAI; solely on the strength of the SIKH network that is
prevalent in Indian politics.
The youth of India must take the matter into their own hands if we
are to survive the cancerous corrupters in our society.
Sanjay Matkar
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Targetted shooter still unsure of his future
Ajai Masand
New Delhi, August 10
Zakir Khan comes from a family whose monthly earning could be a
middle class family's restaurant expenditure for a day. The family
of five survives on a sum of Rs 1,050 a month and Zakir's father
Azad Khan, a labourer, has no other option but to work in the fields
in Johri village.
Azad's only hope is his son who took to pistol shooting at a young
age and is now one of the top junior shooters in the country.
But as fate would have it, the talented Zakir's career seems
shrouded in despair.
"I am paying the price for speaking the truth," says the 15-year-old
whose name was omitted from the list of campers undergoing training
at the Dr Karni Singh Shooting Ranges under Australian coach Tibor
Gonczol.
It may be recalled that Zakir and another fellow shooter Ruby Tomar
had lodged a written complaint against coach TS Dhillon -- who had
accompanied them to the 11th Meeting of Shooting Hopes at Pizen
(Czech Republic) - accusing him of booking his excess baggage in
their names while returning to India.
Dhillon, the shooters had alleged, did not accompany the team back
and stayed back in London.
An internal inquiry was set into motion by the National Rifle
Association of India (NRAI), and the shooters were accused by NRAI
secretary-general Baljeet Singh Sethi of telling lies.
Sethi had gone to the extent of saying that Ruby Tomar's signature
on the complaint was 'bogus', even before the matter had been put in
front of the NRAI Governing Body, in a way giving a clean chit to
the coach.
As things stand now, Zakir finds himself out of the camp and the
matter has been referred to the Disciplinary Committee.
NRAI's assistant secretary Rajiv Bhatia told Hindustan Times that no
time frame had been set for the disciplinary committee to submit its
report. When asked why Zakir was being kept out of the camp, he
said, "I will not be able to say anything. Ask Mr Sethi. He will be
back on Wednesday."
Meanwhile, Zakir's coach in Johri village, Farooq Pathan, has
written letters to all those who matter in sports administration to
help out the young boy.
In letters written to All India Council of Sports Chairman, Vijay
Kumar Malhotra, Secretary-General (NRAI) Baljeet Singh Sethi,
Secretary-General, Indian Olympic Association Randhir Singh and
Sports Authority of India Director General Shekhar Dutt, he has
urged them all to help the junior shooter out.
"Zakir is the best junior in free pistol and is averaging scores of
544/600, while in air pistol he is ranked second with an average of
575/600.
"It is strange that despite his ranking, he is being kept out of the
20-day training camp," writes Pathan.
"The boy comes from a very poor family and it is beyond him to bear
the shooting expenses. It would also be in the fitness of things to
take him in the camp so that he can utilise the services of foreign
coach Gonczol," Pathan writes.
He further writes it is a "national shame" that such a good
shooter "who has the potential of bagging an Olympic medal" is being
kept out of the camp."
Pathan said that even if the NRAI relented now, Zakir could still
benefit from the camp and the foreign coach.
Dear Moderator,
I am not receiving any mail from NCP in my
mail box for last 3 days. I did, however check
my mail options at yahoo group and the option
selected there is daily individual mail.
I am wondering if others are getting mails why
not me then..? I checked with my ISP and they feel
nothing wrong there. I am receiving mails from all
other accounts but from NCP.
I wanted to know if I am dropped from the NCPlist
and if so for what reasons?. Hope you would please
take time to reply. My other email id is provided
below:
wpnd1@...
Best regards
Ashok Sharma
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