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Death Anniversary of Ghulam Haider, 9/11/2004, 0:00   Message List  
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Re: Death Anniversary of Ghulam Haider, -lata


hi ummer,
with due respect to ghulam haider,during the 47-48 phase ,several
music directors occupied the top slot including anil biswas,khemchand
prakash,naushad,gyan dutt etc.mds like c ramchandra,s d
burman,husnlal bhagatram with their comercial success in 46-47 had
become significantly influential.
it was their combined shift to lata which harmed shamshad begum a lot.
anil biswas and khemchand prakash started using lata at the same as
ghulam haider.in fact they gave her almost all female songs in
asha,ziddi and anokha pyar.
ghulam haider was using lot of female voices for his three 1948 films
like geeta,surinder kaur,zohrabai and lalita deoolkar.in fact geeta
roy also sang in all the three films in which lata sang.she sang 7
songs for him ,of which 4 were solos.
the story about ghulam haider making that famous statemant about lata
and taking a stand ;according to lot of people, has been propogated
by lata herself to undermine the role of people
like anil biswas,naushad,c ramchandra,who had often publicly spoken
about their significant role in lata's career.
and why didn't ghulam haider use lata in his post-1948 films like
kaneez,aabshar etc?.
shamshad begum's downfall occurred because of the shift of almost all
music directors towards either lata or geeta during the 47-50
period.it is interesting to note that geeta roy sang more songs than
lata during this phase.her position during this phase of film music
is often overlooked when she was singing for all music directors like
khemchand prakash,anil biswas,naushad,c ramchandra,husnlal bhagatram
and enjoyed immense popularity.
i would also like to quote what ghulam haider said about shamshad
begum as mentioned in raju bhartan's lata biography-''your voice is
like stream in its flow.give it a classical turn and the chenab loses
its fluidity.just you let your vocals be as they are.it needs but a
comprehending composer to draw the very best from you.and your best
is still good enough to beat the rest''.
regrds,
mahesh



--- In sangeet_ke_sitare@..., "Ummer Siddique"
<dont_copy_my_id_u_fool@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In sangeet_ke_sitare@..., "sagmahesh"
> <sagmahesh@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wonder how many people who listen to Lata remixes would even
know
> > > Ghulam Haider's role in her life?
> > is ghulam haider's role in lata's career so important?she sang 9
> > songs for him in three films and only four of them were solos.
>
> Hello Mahesh,
> I think it is not bcoz of 9 songs that Ghulam
> Haider's role is considered important in Lata career. It is bcoz he
> was the first top music director who took stand for Lata. Lata
> mentioned that several times in Lata in her own voice, Lata
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> 4 cassette set etc. At that time his favorite singer was Shamshad
> Begum, and he was looking for a new voice. For the film Shaheed?,
the
> producer wanted Ghulam Haider to use the heavy of Surinder Kaur and
> rejected Lata's thin voice, but Ghulam wanted to use Lata's vocie
> instead. I think the tunes were composed by keeping Lata's voice in
> mind. If you look at it closely, Ghulam Haider preferring Lata at
> that time of her career, actually led to the downfall of Shamshad
> Begum et al. Therefore, his contribution to Lata's career is still
> important even though Lata only sang 9 songs for him and even
though
> I dont like "Dil mera toda".
>
> Ummer.






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Reminder from the Calendar of sangeet_ke_sitare http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/sangeet_ke_sitare/cal Death Anniversary of Ghulam Haider Tuesday 9 November...
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I wonder how many people who listen to Lata remixes would even know Ghulam Haider's role in her life? Robin ... ...
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Nov 10, 2004
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I wonder how many people who listen to Lata remixes would even know ... is ghulam haider's role in lata's career so important?she sang 9 songs for him in three...
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Nov 11, 2004
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... Hello Mahesh, I think it is not bcoz of 9 songs that Ghulam Haider's role is considered important in Lata career. It is bcoz he was the first top music...
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Nov 11, 2004
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hi ummer, with due respect to ghulam haider,during the 47-48 phase ,several music directors occupied the top slot including anil biswas,khemchand ...
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Nov 11, 2004
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... <sagmahesh@y...> wrote: Hello Mahesh, Maybe you are right. But, I dont know why would Lata want to highlight the Ghulam Haider's contribution to his ...
Ummer Siddique
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Nov 11, 2004
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But, I dont know why would ... the reason as film music journalists like raju bhartan and isaac muzavar often mention might be to undermine the contribution of...
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Nov 11, 2004
8:23 am

... anil ... her ... Hello Mahesh, You are right. Actually this topic came into discussion long time ago between me, Sathya and Nimish. Ummer....
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Nov 11, 2004
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Btw, you should hear Ghulam Haider songs from her last films composed in Pakistan in the 50s mould before he died. They are great! Akeli, Ghulaam and...
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Nov 11, 2004
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... When someone asked her why she didnt choose Anil Biswas in her top ten, she said something like "I didnt sang that much for him". And Raju Bharatan said...
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Nov 11, 2004
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... Does SD Burman really belong in the above list (of Lata promoters) ? He seems to have been among the latest to turn to Lata (1950, MASHAAL) It's almost as...
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Nov 11, 2004
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To take it a step further and on a slight tangent, my argument is not about which names were at the Genesis of Lata or instrumental in forming and shaping it. ...
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Nov 12, 2004
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Ummer, It's not just 9 songs. It is because at least her fans recognize (and so does she, as far as I've read) that she once stood at a Mumbai railway station,...
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Nov 11, 2004
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... after ... Robin, you got the wrong man! Lol! It should be Mahesh not Ummer. I was also saying the same thing, it is not just 9 songs ... Ummer....
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Nov 11, 2004
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Ummer we find ourselves in agreement in two posts in the same day? Like the Hindi fillum cliche goes - Jo baat barson tak nahin hui, woh aaj zamaane ke saame...
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Nov 11, 2004
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... Yeah! Just like you listen to Shamshad Begum when no one is around ... ;) hehe Ummer....
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Nov 12, 2004
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That's a good one, dear Ummer. But what chances are you willing to take that I have heard and enjoyed more SB than you have LP ? hehe and again, hehehe. ... do...
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